Topic: Let's talk Canon digital SLRs...

[dmccabe]

Smiles all around!

[stirinthesauce]

How big a difference is there in jumping from an xt (what I have) to the 20d?  I ask because I'm getting a pretty good deal on a 20d body locally today, and I have a buyer for the xt.  I like the xt, but, well, I'm a slut for more gear    More glass comes next month.

[Ed.]

I have the 20d and think its pretty sweet.  If you can get a good deal on one, I'd grab it.  The 20d gives you more advanced options than the xt.  Kind of the jump from consumer to prosumer, but not quite the pro level of the 5d or the really really expensive pro bodies.

I still want a 5d for the full frame abilities, but until then, I wouldn't give up my 20d for anything.

[stirinthesauce]

Here is one from last night, was using the sigma 24-70mm EX DG f/2.8  set at f2.8 at 1/60

of course resized  


Ed, about the 20d, that's what I had heard.  Plus a bit more rugged body, which I need as much in the field stuff of different sorts I do.

[dmccabe]

I think the 20D and 30D are obsolete.

There is a major difference between the XT and the XTi.

Stay with an XTi and if you want a better full-frame body save up and get the 5D.
The 20D (discontinued) and 30D and not full-frame either.

The XTi with it's cleaning sensor is more advanced than the 20D and 30D... Canon will be coming out with a newer 30D soon. Put your money into good "L" lens and a XTi --- and then save up for a 5D or a 1D

The 20D is 3504 x 2336 (8.2 MP) 1.3 crop factor
The 30D is 3504 x 2336 (8.2 MP) 1.3 crop factor
The XTi is 3888 x 2592 (10.1 MP) 1.6 crop factor
The 5D is 4368 x 2912 (12 MP) 1.0 full frame

[stirinthesauce]

I think the 20D and 30D are obsolete.

There is a major difference between the XT and the XTi.

Stay with an XTi and if you want a better full-frame body save up and get the 5D.
The 20D (discontinued) and 30D and not full-frame either.

The XTi with it's cleaning sensor is more advanced than the 20D and 30D... Canon will be coming out with a newer 30D soon. Put your money into good "L" lens and a XTi --- and then save up for a 5D or a 1D

The 20D is 3504 x 2336 (8.2 MP) 1.3 crop factor
The 30D is 3504 x 2336 (8.2 MP) 1.3 crop factor
The XTi is 3888 x 2592 (10.1 MP) 1.6 crop factor
The 5D is 4368 x 2912 (12 MP) 1.0 full frame

well, I am grabbing the 20d, as soon as I walk out the door.  I've already committed to the purchase.  The xt will either be backup or stay in the household per se.  A 5d will be the next buy but that will be a bit.  The xti is just out of my price range as I have gear to buy that actually makes me money (multi track).  So, the 20d, though it may be considered obsolete, is gonna have to tide me over until I can afford to make the jump to a full frame camera.  I'm used to buying and flipping gear rather often so I'm not concerned.  I usually can get what I paid for a piece of gear.  Glass will be my next camera purchase, to trade in my sigma 70-300 f/4-5.6 for something a bit better.

[Ed.]

Honestly, I'd buy another 20D before I bought a 30d or an xti.  The 20d was and still is a great camera, I think it has enough pro features to give it the edge over the xti.  Sensor cleaning aside (honestly, cleaning your sensor takes less than 5 minutes, I can handle doing it on my own), I just don't see the point of spending more $ on an xti than a good used 20d body, when the 20d has more features.  And megapixels mean nothing.  My 20d can still pull a decent shot at iso3200 when the time calls for it.  As far as I know, you can't do that with an xti.

[stirinthesauce]

Ed, I checked out that link you posted up a few posts of that calendar work you did.  Great stuff!

[stirinthesauce]

Happy 4th everyone!    

Here is one from today's festivities of my 1 yr old cousin.

[phanophish]

I am a professional photographer...

I use a Canon Rebel XTi for concerts... the camera at 1600 ISO is plenty fast enough with the right lens.
The XTi shoots 10 meg RAW files, which are good for 11x17 posters.
The CMOS chip in the XTi is now self-cleaning.
The 1.6x is smaller image area than a "full-frame" 1.0x camera. That means the image is slightly cropped, so you just adjust your picture framing when shooting. To get a full-frame camera, you jump up to the $3K price range.
Many people say the 1.6 crop factor in the CMOS chip is a limitation. For concert photography it is actually a benefit.
The 1.6 crop factor makes your lens "longer", meaning you can zoom in closer.

read this and it will make more sense: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/crop-factor.htm


Spend you money on quality lens, the camera is not the most important part of a setup. A really good lens on a Canon Rebel will give you great shots. The Canon EOS Rebel XTi shoots very nice photos, with good color rendition, broad dynamic range and accurate automatic white balance.

Here is a picture of Warren with a Rebel XTi using a Canon 80-200mm f2.8 L lens (image is shot at 1600 ISO at f4.0 at 1/80 sec). The camera cost $600. The lens cost $1800. The quality comes from the lens... the picture you see here is at 20% of the full resolution.

I'm a Nikon shooter so don't currently have the option for a full frame sensor like the 5d, but there are advantages to the larger sensor. Although this is Canon marketing material the principle is pretty clear.  http://web.canon.jp/imaging/cmos/technology-e/size.html

Primarily that since the receptor sites are physically larger they can be designed to have lower ISO noise.  It's one of the reasons the 5D does so well in low light.  All that said I do most of my concert shooting with a Nikon D50 & D70 and come up with some pretty good results...

[Shawn]

the wife is loving her new camera. she is snapping pics of every thing.... and I mean everything.

attached is a shot of my cousin from a family gathering this weekend.

[stirinthesauce]

went hiking this morning.  Cloudy so the light was right for some waterfall shots.  Here is one of savage falls.  I've got a bunch but thought this one looked alright (and it was the first I processed    )

iso 100
aperture 32
shutter speed 0"8

canon 20d sigma 24-70 f/2.8 ex dg

[stirinthesauce]

another, up top above the main falls

[stirinthesauce]

one more from a little further below the falls

[eric.B]

one more from a little further below the falls

nice!  I like the third one.. more contrast what with the exra green in the pic..  +t!