Topic: AKG c460 thoughts...

[thegreatgumbino]

Quick question for you JWmod owners. Do your mics take a while to get levels? Mine kind of take a few seconds to get normal levels. They fluctuate for a little while and then go to normal.

How long are you talking?  I noticed it took a moment for them to come up to level, but it was a matter of seconds for the phantom to kick in & add gain.  This was consistent when running with my V3 or with my P2.  IIRC, I have the same experience when running my LSD2.

[Dutchman1101]

Quick question for you JWmod owners. Do your mics take a while to get levels? Mine kind of take a few seconds to get normal levels. They fluctuate for a little while and then go to normal.

How long are you talking?  I noticed it took a moment for them to come up to level, but it was a matter of seconds for the phantom to kick in & add gain.  This was consistent when running with my V3 or with my P2.  IIRC, I have the same experience when running my LSD2.

It varies Matt. I can't recall how long it took with the 148 but I know it took a few seconds at least. I know With the Tascam it takes a little while and with my buddies R4 it did the same thing. Maybe I'll do a test or two tonight.

Anyone else have this with the JW's.

[terrapinj]

i see the same thing Matt said above, but a matter of 1-2 seconds at most, i always assumed it was more an issue of the pre getting the power to the mics but its never been any reason of concern for me

Nick as a new jwmod owner one trick i've found to be helpful is to make sure you unpause the recorder before the 2nd set starts 

[thegreatgumbino]

i always assumed it was more an issue of the pre getting the power to the mics but its never been any reason of concern for me

Exactly my thoughts/experiences.

[thegreatgumbino]

Now that you mention it, I have noticed that it takes the levels a while to come up on the P2 depending upon your startup procedure.  I find if you power up, turn on phantom, press pause & then add your gain, when you press record the levels come up much faster.  If you turn on phantom & add gain & then press record it appears the levels take longer to come up. 

This is consistent on the P2 with the LSD2 & the JW Mods.

[Nick's Picks]

nope.  they fire right up afaik.

[Dutchman1101]

nope.  they fire right up afaik.

  I guess I'll check to see what they do with the 671.

[stirinthesauce]

since one is a condenser mic and the other is a transducer mic these differences are to be expected

I think you may have your terminology confused.  Both mics are condensors.  You have dynamics and condensor microphones.  I think you are referring to the 45x series of microphones, which were electrics though still condensors.

More on the subject of condensors and electrics (and other pertinent terminology).
http://members.aol.com/mihartkopf/lexicon.htm

Desription of what a transducer is and more on mic terminology.
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/studio/teaching/audio/Mics/mics.htm

Sure you knew all this already, just didn't want people getting confused. 

[carlbeck]

i see the same thing Matt said above, but a matter of 1-2 seconds at most, i always assumed it was more an issue of the pre getting the power to the mics but its never been any reason of concern for me

Nick as a new jwmod owner one trick i've found to be helpful is to make sure you unpause the recorder before the 2nd set starts 

Now that is some funny sh*t right there 

[NOLAfishwater]

I just got a pair of 460's with 63caps. They are pretty old and don't know how I can test them. Was thinking about sending them out to get the mod. I have only run them at home in tests. I will be taking them out in the  field this weekend. I will keep you posted.

[Todd R]

since one is a condenser mic and the other is a transducer mic these differences are to be expected

I think you may have your terminology confused.  Both mics are condensors.  You have dynamics and condensor microphones.  I think you are referring to the 45x series of microphones, which were electrics though still condensors.

More on the subject of condensors and electrics (and other pertinent terminology).
http://members.aol.com/mihartkopf/lexicon.htm

Desription of what a transducer is and more on mic terminology.
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/studio/teaching/audio/Mics/mics.htm

Sure you knew all this already, just didn't want people getting confused. 

Those are great sites!!  Excellent, concise info -- I just scanned them, but need to read thru them a bit more when I have more time.

As long as we're going to try to keep people from being confused though -- the AKG 451's are electret mics, not electric.

[stirinthesauce]

since one is a condenser mic and the other is a transducer mic these differences are to be expected

I think you may have your terminology confused.  Both mics are condensors.  You have dynamics and condensor microphones.  I think you are referring to the 45x series of microphones, which were electrics though still condensors.

More on the subject of condensors and electrics (and other pertinent terminology).
http://members.aol.com/mihartkopf/lexicon.htm

Desription of what a transducer is and more on mic terminology.
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/studio/teaching/audio/Mics/mics.htm

Sure you knew all this already, just didn't want people getting confused. 

Those are great sites!!  Excellent, concise info -- I just scanned them, but need to read thru them a bit more when I have more time.

As long as we're going to try to keep people from being confused though -- the AKG 451's are electret mics, not electric.

ahh, thanks for correcting my spelling    Your are correct!

That first site was courtesy of d_fu on this board.  He is an occassional drop in on team beyer.  Excellent info!  That other site I just stumbled upon, timne to bookmark it.  For all the info on the first link posted, go here:  http://members.aol.com/mihartkopf/

[ts]

I've owned stock 460's and still own my JW's. I prefered the stock 460's>V3 over the JW>V3 for all the reasons mentioned above. JW's>V3 has been hit or miss for me. I'm finding myself running JW>722 much more often these days.

[F.O.Bean]

I've owned stock 460's and still own my JW's. I prefered the stock 460's>V3 over the JW>V3 for all the reasons mentioned above. JW's>V3 has been hit or miss for me. I'm finding myself running JW>722 much more often these days.

agreed! i have been only running 480>722 and def prefer that sound for most of the venues i record in, its more rounded and balanced across the spectrum IMO, I would be the jw mod sounds very similar.....

[Celac]

Those are great sites!!  Excellent, concise info -- I just scanned them, but need to read thru them a bit more when I have more time.

As long as we're going to try to keep people from being confused though -- the AKG 451's are electret mics, not electric.

Hey,
If the 451 are electret, how are the caps interchangeable with the c60/61 and (with thread adapters) the 460?
Celac