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Offline Phil Zone

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CK61 or CK63
« on: October 27, 2013, 05:30:32 PM »
hi all,

so i  just bough a pair of akg 460s but dont own any capsules. at the moment it doesnt look like im going to find any used ones, though it would be ideal. so i dont have the money to get both 61s and 63s, so what should i get first? ive always been a card kind of person, but i will be running 4 tracks and have boths cards and hypers for my significant other.

what would you get? ALL opinions welcome!

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Re: CK61 or CK63
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2013, 07:22:23 PM »
I've run both the CK61's and CK63's on my own and with a friend (who owns them as well) and if you're planning to run open (assuming you are with the bodies), I'd lean towards picking up the hypercards.  I own both and went the CK61 route for hat mounting, however, I quickly learned that the CK63's are a better choice when running open as I was experiencing sound "drop off" outdoors at some shows.  Many people around here like the CK63's over the CK61's with the general thought that they "sound better" and really shine at a distance (assuming you're running near the board).  Even in weirder rooms (ones where there is no "great" place to run open), the CK63's have a better rejection rate for chatty people over the CK61's (have run both in close proximity).

CK63's are my vote.   If you're going to buy new, keep in mind that the best price I've been able to find is around US$480 for the pair (which is $20 more than what I paid for the CK61's).


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Re: CK61 or CK63
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2013, 08:12:41 PM »
Agreed
63 got my vote mic more inside and out
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Re: CK61 or CK63
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2013, 10:21:17 PM »
I feel the best match for 460 bodies are a60/ck1s
but if you can't find them, then the ck63s work well in most rooms
the ck61s work well outdoors and in nice small rooms if you can't find the a60/ck1s

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Re: CK61 or CK63
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2013, 12:41:11 AM »
If I was only getting on pattern, I would start with cardiods.
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Re: CK61 or CK63
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2013, 12:45:00 AM »
Where do you tape more often of the two:

indoors? get hypers and later cards
outdoors? other way around, get cards and later hypers.

With very few exceptions, if you have a mic maker that does both, that's my reasoning in picking which one to get first.
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Re: CK61 or CK63
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2013, 07:15:22 AM »
Based on the shows that you record (Bars, Clubs & Theaters), I would go with Hypers now and gets some cards for the summer festival season.
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Re: CK61 or CK63
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2013, 08:36:01 AM »
I would not hesitate to run hypers outdoors.  In fact, I don't hesitate.
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Re: CK61 or CK63
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2013, 08:46:02 AM »
I would not hesitate to run hypers outdoors.  In fact, I don't hesitate.

Agreed, If i am at the OTS at vibes i run hypers.  If i am at a smaller outdoor venue i run cards.
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Re: CK61 or CK63
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2013, 10:57:03 AM »
I agree with most of the suggestions posted.

I like the CK-61's outside. I almost never run the CK-63's outside, because they are affected more than the CK-61's by wind.
Big boomy venues I use the CK-63's. In nice small good sounding theatres I use the CK-61's.
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Re: CK61 or CK63
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2013, 11:17:52 AM »
I actually ran my ck61's (naiant actives) and ck63's (full body) on the same stand, same spot for Karl Denson this weekend I'll post them tonight.  It was indoors

Both  were > littlebox > dr680
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Re: CK61 or CK63
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2013, 11:24:13 AM »
I actually ran my ck61's (naiant actives) and ck63's (full body) on the same stand, same spot for Karl Denson this weekend I'll post them tonight.  It was indoors

Both  were > littlebox > dr680

That's is the exact rig I will be running, please post the link. Thank you
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Re: CK61 or CK63
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2013, 11:25:51 AM »
I actually ran my ck61's (naiant actives) and ck63's (full body) on the same stand, same spot for Karl Denson this weekend I'll post them tonight.  It was indoors

Both  were > littlebox > dr680

That's is the exact rig I will be running, please post the link. Thank you

Funny, I do the same exact thing sometimes too.
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Re: CK61 or CK63
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2013, 01:39:04 PM »
I actually ran my ck61's (naiant actives) and ck63's (full body) on the same stand, same spot for Karl Denson this weekend I'll post them tonight.  It was indoors

Both  were > littlebox > dr680
i have a few show on lma, in kickdown that way
The differences are there but small imo
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Re: CK61 or CK63
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2013, 02:12:27 PM »
I actually ran my ck61's (naiant actives) and ck63's (full body) on the same stand, same spot for Karl Denson this weekend I'll post them tonight.  It was indoors

Both  were > littlebox > dr680
i have a few show on lma, in kickdown that way
The differences are there but small imo

Can you post some links? Thanks
Microphones: AKG 460B, 480B, Naiant Actives,CK1,CK61,CK62,CK63, CK69, Busman BSC-1, CA-14
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