Topic: CD Wave Editor Question

[Sterling]

Does anyone change the settings for CD WAVe eDITOR? Silence level or silence time for split?

I'm trying to track this show and its not recognizing the gaps...at all.

FWIW...its a keller williams show. Maybe thats my problem  . Lots of KW fans around here I know I know.

Any help would be great.

[dmonterisi]

i don't use the auto-split functions.  i just drop markers manually, it doesn't take all that long, especially if you just want the breaks where the levels drop, you can see it pretty easily in the waveform.

[Gedit]

i find cdwave a bear for tracking shows. it's awkward imo.

[Patrick]

i find cdwave a bear for tracking shows. it's awkward imo.

Wow.  I don't find it any easier.  It's alot better than tracking with Audacty or Wavelab.  Just wondering, What do you use that would be easier?

[Gedit]

ive used sound forge for so long im stuck in the SF rut i guess. im beginning to use cdwave now cause of the SBEs inherent to SF - it galls me that SF doesn't provide a way to eliminate them automatically like cdwave does, adding the shntool step to the tracking process ... but ...

[Patrick]

With Sound Studio, go to View>Edit Grid and enter grid lines every 588 samples. Then use the 'snap to grid' feature and every marker you drop should be on a sector boundary.

However, it's just as easy to cut wherever you want and then use the 'fix SBE' tab of xACT to encode to FLAC and align on sector boundaries at the same time - that's what I do. Then use the 'shntool' tab to do a 'show len for fileset' or 'show len by disc' to create the track listing and timing for your info file.

Here is a quote from a Macintosh Tracking thread, I really don't know if it can be applied to soundforge, but I thought I'd throw it out there.  I'll bety there is a way that you can cut on Sector Boundaries in Soundforge.

[Brian Skalinder]

it galls me that SF doesn't provide a way to eliminate them automatically like cdwave does

I'd be surprised if SF doesn't provide the ability to set the time format to 75 frames per second (fps).  Doing so will eliminate the SBEs when tracking in SF.

[F.O.Bean]

IMO cd wave is the easiest/best program out there for friendliness and ease of use

[Sterling]

IMO cd wave is the easiest/best program out there for friendliness and ease of use

Bean your back! (Maybe I missed it though)

Do you change the settings at all? Use the auto track?

I have been and in fact did for this show, use wavelab to do it. I just thought cd wave would be easier. Maybe only for shows with more defined silence or gaps between songs?

FWIW, I love wavelab!

[Gordon]

no one uses the auto track. 

[Gedit]

i usually find myself tracking songs with no breaks between songs .. seamless segues.

[F.O.Bean]

i use it manually for every show/set ive ever tracked and couldnt be happier

not fully back yet, i just check my PM/emails before work everyday

[Sterling]

no one uses the auto track. 

O.  I'm a dope.

Well than I think wavelab is just as easy myself... at least at this point until I can fool around with cd wave some more.

[rowjimmy]

I've always used CDWave manually for tracking as well. No SBEs out-of the box, and now... direct flac encoding...
It's like a little slice of heaven.

[dmonterisi]

no one uses the auto track. 

O.  I'm a dope.

Well than I think wavelab is just as easy myself... at least at this point until I can fool around with cd wave some more.

fyi, another reason you may want to work with cdwav some more is the ability to export directly to flac.

[OFOTD]

CDWave may very well be the easiest to use piece of software on my machine.  Well maybe Solitare and Notepad are the easiest but CD Wave is so easy I really am shocked that  Sony and Steinberg and the others have not adapted their software to behave like CD Wave.  Truly one of the best.   Saving in FLAC rocks as well.

[Ed.]

i wish you could edit tags or set tags in cd wav.

oh well, thats what tag&rename is for.

[mmmatt]

The newest version will allow you to cut a tiny chuck off the front of the wav so that you loose that anoying pop.  You just track a 1/2 second or so as the first track, and then uncheck the track and the software renumbers for you.  The newest version finally works well with 24 bit too.  THAT is a godsend.  I really like tracking with it too (manually).

Matt

[Ed.]

I always cut off the chunk at the beginning and the end, the new version that lets you uncheck and does all the naming for you is so nice.

[Sterling]

Would any of you guys mind giving me some detailed instuctions (I need as much direction as I can get), as to how you.

1. Track the show.
2. Save the files/name them
3. Set up bittorent file
4. Archive (I know this can be extensive. Basically, I keep the original wave, the tracked show ~ all FLAC)

Any help would be great.

Basically, when tracking in wavelab I can't save the tracks individually. BUt in CD WAVE I can't edit in the same way I can. Perhaps it would be best to track with cdwave, save & name the files individually in a folder, then do any post work I need to.

Thanks!

[dmonterisi]

actually, you've got your workflow a little backwards.  you should edit before tracking to avoid sector boundary errors and ensure that the tracks line up properly.

Steps:
-Get raw wav onto your pc from DAT/JB3/other recording device
-open in wavelab, do whatever editing is necessary (trimming excess at beginning/end of set, resampling if necessary, adding fades).  save edited wav using the etree naming format eg. wsp2005-12-31d1t.wav ... naming in this fashion allows cdwav to simply add 01, 02, 03, etc for the split tracks).
-open edited wav in cdwav. insert first track break at 0:00.02.  continue adding track breaks wherever you want.  after all splits are added, add a final track break a couple of milliseconds before the end of the set.
-in bottom window of cdwav, uncheck the first and last tracks (each should be the 1 millisecond track).  deleting these tracks eliminates the annoying pop and sbe's at the beginning and end of set.
-click "Save As"...in the dialog, choose to export directly to flac.  choose a directory and save.  It will then save the individual tracks as flac files.
-as far as creating torrents, it's been covered in excrutiating detail (as has the above process)...scroll back through the pages of the comp forum or use the search.

[dmonterisi]

additionally, the ckrename utility is extremely helpful for batch renaming of files.

[Ed.]

do post work before you split, or else you're going to have to do the work on each track exactly the same, which might be hard to remember.  plus, i've heard doing post work after you split could introduce sbe's.

as for tracking the show.  i get rid of the dead space at the beginning and cut so the last number is on 01, so like 02.01 (where 02 is the second, and 01 is the sector) from then on, always cut on the 01 sector, and all of your songs will be perfect and should look like 04:54.00 (where 04 is the minute, 54 the second, and 00 the sectors)

before i put the master wav file in cd wav i name it "bandname2006-01-26d1t" that way when i make the splits in cd wav, it'll automatically name the file properly by adding the number at the end. (does that make sense)

then i save as a flac and rename the files in tag&rename, but you could save as a wav file, and then write the tags in flac frontend when you convert the wav to flac.

as for archiving, i leave the master wav file, also make a .cue sheet for it in cd wav, so if i need to cut it again in the future, its already done.  then i'll save a copy of the 24bit flacs, the 16bit flacs, and usually vbr mp3s if i want the recording on my mp3 player.

I'll do that for all the bands that played that night, and put the whole night on its own dvd-r and make an info sheet telling what i ran for the night, the bands i taped, and what settings i used, where the show was at, etc and put that in the cd case.

[Sterling]

Great help guys! Excruciating detail yes, completly spread out over various threads = pain in my ass.

Thanks again for the help!

-as far as creating torrents, it's been covered in excrutiating detail (as has the above process)...scroll back through the pages of the comp forum or use the search.

[nak700s]

What is the difference between Direct WAV and WAV in the choices to set for CDWave?  All of a sudden, I am getting a quick gap between tracks when I cut up a WAV file.

[rocksuitcase]

I see direct WAV as option 1, then dropdown to WAV when saving the files. Someone told me years ago, don;t use Direct WAV, but can;t vouch for why. 
Good question though, what does Direct WAV do vs WAV? anyone know?

[vanark]

I never save to WAV anymore. I go straight to FLAC.

[rocksuitcase]

I never save to WAV anymore. I go straight to FLAC.

using CDWav editor? I was taught that the algorithm in CDWav editor was not as "clean" for converting from wav to flac. I have always used TLH for the conversions. Was I taught wrongly? OR is it personal preference?

[vanark]

I never save to WAV anymore. I go straight to FLAC.

using CDWav editor? I was taught that the algorithm in CDWav editor was not as "clean" for converting from wav to flac. I have always used TLH for the conversions. Was I taught wrongly? OR is it personal preference?

I've never heard or seen an issue since I started doing it.

[firemt66]

I never save to WAV anymore. I go straight to FLAC.

using CDWav editor? I was taught that the algorithm in CDWav editor was not as "clean" for converting from wav to flac. I have always used TLH for the conversions. Was I taught wrongly? OR is it personal preference?


Neither have I noticed any Issues in between tracks doing this...

[Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B)]

I go straight from CD Wave > FLAC. No issues. 1 less step.

[goodcooker]

I never save to WAV anymore. I go straight to FLAC.

using CDWav editor? I was taught that the algorithm in CDWav editor was not as "clean" for converting from wav to flac. I have always used TLH for the conversions. Was I taught wrongly? OR is it personal preference?

You were taught wrong. So was I. At some point someone claimed (incorrectly) that the FLAC conversion in CD Wave Editor was inferior and people kept repeating it so it became de facto.

There's no appreciable difference. I'd be shocked if the two programs didn't just both use the same code from FLAC frontend.

I convert straight to FLAC from CD Wave. No tracked out wav files for me.

[Twenty8]

Glad this subject came up.  I was also confused by DirectWAV conversion and never used it.  I completely forgot you could convert to FLAC using the program.  Solid re-upping of a thread!