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Re: Transparent Mod UA-5
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2004, 11:22:06 AM »
Interesting -- I'm really happy with how the tmod ua5 compliments our mg300s and so far don't find it to be bright at all.  Instead, it seems to provide a very accurate presentation of the mics being used.  Don't have any direct comparisons yet, but listening to my recording of the "dead" from 6/20/04 and todd r's akg 483>v3 recording of the same show recorded 1 row behind me, I found mine to sound a fair bit warmer, while todd's sounded a bit more detailed/brighter in the high end (as a hypercard recording should).  I'm happy to burn copies of my recording and/or let anybody interested grab a few sample tracks (or the show). 


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Re: Transparent Mod UA-5
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2004, 12:45:15 PM »
Yeah, as usual it all comes down to personal preference. Different mod's will probably sound better with different mics to different ears. All I know is the stock UA-5 (digi mod'd, of course) sounds great with my mod'd 463's.
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Re: Transparent Mod UA-5
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2004, 07:09:27 PM »
this is interesting....i would love to hear some samples of this mod as well...

i started a thread with questions about the previous mod if anyone has some input on that...it would wonderful....but i'm coming to the conclusion that well....its personal preference...

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Re: Transparent Mod UA-5
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2005, 08:02:34 AM »
Ummm...What is the problem with the UA-5 stock?
It is already transparent and has a nice soundstage STRAIGHT OUTTA THE BOX!

Nothing wrong...Oade is genius! Mr Oade has apparently discovered that he can create 3 different(note: different...not better) sounds from this device by swapping various sets of parts out. He has given each "mod" a name and charges double the price of a stock unit. Pretty slick...epsecially when there are few specs available for this device (for comparison) and he publishes no specs to support the advantages of his mods. Oade must have gotten a sweet deal on a raft of UA5s when they were discontinued...(no wonder he wont work on units he didn't sell) - Now he is pumping them out like no tomorrow...thanks in no small part to the cheering section here at TS.com.

What I want to know is: why doesn't Oade offer a "Mod Pod"? - like an external box that would let you choose any of the mods or stock - that way with a flick of the switch you could switch from w-mod to t-mod to p-mod...i.e. - why not make all the mods available in one device...even if it required a small outboard box...???

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Re: Transparent Mod UA-5
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2005, 12:50:45 PM »
Wow, what the hell is up with all the hostility you have over this?  If you don't think the Oade mods are worth it, don't buy them.  Personally, I find you're need to bash on Doug Oade for making these available to the market a bit annoying.  So he's supposed to be some kind of scumbag because he wants to give tapers options on what type of equipment they can run?

He makes different options available because he believes that tapers can have different tastes as to what sounds best and that there is no single "best" sound.  He doesn't publish specs to prove they sound better because he, like a lot of us, does not believe that the specs he could come up with would have any meaning whatsoever to how the modded unit sounds.  He has electronic circuit design knowledge, knowledge of components and how they alter the sound, a trained and acute "golden ear", and sound systems costing tens of thousands of dollars on which he can test out different mods to hear how they sound and decide which might be useful mods that other tapers might be interested in.  In short, he has a great deal of knowledge and experience as well as capital equipment necessary to design and implement modifications to taping gear.  I see no reason whatsoever he shouldn't be able to try to make a business out of this knowledge and equipment.  If you don't like it, you can feel free not to buy it.  But your need to portray him as some kind of huckster is really unnecessary, and not at all on target.

As to your point about a mod pod, it isn't being done because it really isn't feasible.  You can't just run all these electrical signals in and out of various boxes without causing stray capacitances and other artifacts that may at the worst make the project unworkable.  At the least, the design and layout considerations and realities would noticably affect the signal, so that the p-mod of a mod-pod box would sound nothing like the current implementation of the p-mod.  It is certainly worse when dealing with an external box, but the same considerations and realities occur even if you were to somehow design some internal daughter board to accomplish this within the box.
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Re: Transparent Mod UA-5
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2005, 01:11:18 PM »
Wow, what the hell is up with all the hostility you have over this?  If you don't think the Oade mods are worth it, don't buy them.  Personally, I find you're need to bash on Doug Oade for making these available to the market a bit annoying.  So he's supposed to be some kind of scumbag because he wants to give tapers options on what type of equipment they can run?

He makes different options available because he believes that tapers can have different tastes as to what sounds best and that there is no single "best" sound.  He doesn't publish specs to prove they sound better because he, like a lot of us, does not believe that the specs he could come up with would have any meaning whatsoever to how the modded unit sounds.  He has electronic circuit design knowledge, knowledge of components and how they alter the sound, a trained and acute "golden ear", and sound systems costing tens of thousands of dollars on which he can test out different mods to hear how they sound and decide which might be useful mods that other tapers might be interested in.  In short, he has a great deal of knowledge and experience as well as capital equipment necessary to design and implement modifications to taping gear.  I see no reason whatsoever he shouldn't be able to try to make a business out of this knowledge and equipment.  If you don't like it, you can feel free not to buy it.  But your need to portray him as some kind of huckster is really unnecessary, and not at all on target.

As to your point about a mod pod, it isn't being done because it really isn't feasible.  You can't just run all these electrical signals in and out of various boxes without causing stray capacitances and other artifacts that may at the worst make the project unworkable.  At the least, the design and layout considerations and realities would noticably affect the signal, so that the p-mod of a mod-pod box would sound nothing like the current implementation of the p-mod.  It is certainly worse when dealing with an external box, but the same considerations and realities occur even if you were to somehow design some internal daughter board to accomplish this within the box.

"Bashing" and "hostility" is a little strong...I'm being a bit cynical, yes...but I think sometimes that is healthy...

I think Oades business is perfectly legit...but I also think it is just that - a business - he wants to make money. You dont think he does all this to be a nice guy, or just for the intrinsic value...? I don't think he is above making a decision based strictly on business. In the case of the UA5 - he is offering a decidely average piece of discontinued gear, with mods that double it's (retail) price. Since the UA5 is recently discontinued - Oade may have had an oppourtunity to buy a shitload of these things for cheap...knowing he can double their market value. I truly think Oade is very clever...but I think I admire his business smarts as much as his tech savvy...

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Re: Transparent Mod UA-5
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2005, 01:25:51 PM »

What I want to know is: why doesn't Oade offer a "Mod Pod"? - like an external box that would let you choose any of the mods or stock - that way with a flick of the switch you could switch from w-mod to t-mod to p-mod...i.e. - why not make all the mods available in one device...even if it required a small outboard box...???


IF you leave the UA-5 ADC chip itself out of the question
THEN all of the UA-5 sonic color is contribued by the analog signal path between the UA-5 analog input port and it's internal
ADC (CODEC) input pins.

This analog signal path is full of compromises and no external box can "undo" it's shortcomings.   

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Re: Transparent Mod UA-5
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2005, 02:14:10 PM »
Does the transparent mod affect the sound that much more when it is used with high end mics ?
Say :

akg 480s > digiMod ua5 > jb3
akg 480s > T Mod ua5 > jb3

Also is the PLUS mod all it's crackd up to be ?

There is a serious discrepency in prices between these products we are talking about, & is it really worth hundreds of more dollars for these mods, when the mics are so high end ?
If this product is dis-continued, the price will only rise, right ?
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digimod ua5 (from oade) : $330

digimod ua5 (self mod) : ~$230

t + ua5 : $640

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I ran my ua-5 with only the digi-mod for a couple years, and just got the T-mod Plus in July.

There is a huge improvement in the sound all around. I wish I had done it much sooner. The Plus part of the mod is worth it if you use the analog section a lot. For input on the rca's there is a noticeable difference. I also like the phantom section improvements with my Oktavas.

The bottom end gets mushy if phantom voltage strays too much from 48v. I used to use a deneke PS-2 to prevent it, but I have had no problems since the upgrade.

As far as high end mics, you'll get a better, more noticeable, result with the mod. Garbage in garbage out, ya know.

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Re: Transparent Mod UA-5
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2005, 03:36:00 PM »
I would agree with bhtoque's comment re: the T-Mod Plus.  I should have a 391 > T-Mod Plus source torrented soon if folks have an interest in hearing...
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Re: Transparent Mod UA-5
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2005, 05:21:59 PM »
He makes different options"Bashing" and "hostility" is a little strong...I'm being a bit cynical, yes...but I think sometimes that is healthy...

FWIW, I don't think your post came across as "a bit cynical" at all, I felt it came across downright hostile - so, bashing, yes.  Todd R obviously shares my sentiments, and I suspect others do as well.  Cynicism is difficult to convey in this medium, perhaps you should practice "a bit" more.  :P

I think Oades business is perfectly legit...but I also think it is just that - a business - he wants to make money. You dont think he does all this to be a nice guy, or just for the intrinsic value...?

Of course it's a business, and of course there are financial incentives for him to offer the mods.  But Doug has proven over and over again his ability and willingness to impart detailed knowledge to the taper community as a whole - on both self-modding the UA5 and all other taping related activities - and clearly has motivations other than purely cash.

In the case of the UA5 - he is offering a decidely average piece of discontinued gear, with mods that double it's (retail) price.

Do you have substantial experiences using the stock UA5 ? Digi-mod UA5?  W/P/T mods?  What criteria are you using in defining the UA5 as a decidedly "average" piece of gear?  Based on your current and past posts, I suspect you define "average" by the specs.  But by real-life cost/value accounts, the UA5 is far above average (and if you disagree, please point me to a piece of gear that offers the same sound quality / feature set at a similar price point), and Doug simply builds on that cost/value - including selling mods at a price point at which there is very little (if any) competition.  I know of no other piece of gear that offers the same (or even remotely close) strong cost/value as the UA5, digi-mod UA5, or P/T/W-mod UA5s.  Perhaps we simply have different ideas about what makes a gear "average".

Oade is genius!

Indeed.  But not for the reasons you insinuate.

Mr Oade has apparently discovered that he can create 3 different(note: different...not better) sounds from this device by swapping various sets of parts out.

Yes, different.  And to most people's ears, better - not strictly in "flavor" - but in difficult to measure but easy to hear categories like detail, soundstage, etc.

Pretty slick...epsecially when there are few specs available for this device (for comparison) and he publishes no specs to support the advantages of his mods.

Your continued reference of specs as the indicator for "quality" gear, and to "prove" advantages to the mods, clearly indicates you've not actually heard the stock/digi/W/P/T mods.  As Todd R has properly pointed out - and others have pointed out to you previously, including myself - specs do not tell you how the gear will sound.

Oade must have gotten a sweet deal on a raft of UA5s when they were discontinued...(no wonder he wont work on units he didn't sell)

FWIW, Doug offered the UA5 mods looooong before Edirol / Roland discontinued the unit.  The Oade Bros is a small operation, and I suspect some of the reasons Doug mods UA5s only bought through Oade Bros:

[1] minimize bench-time with his back troubles
[2] ensure availabilty of a very limited staff for other projects
[3] to maintain a sufficient profit margin - the Oade Bros aren't making gobs and gobs of money selling modded UA5s (based purely on volume of sales), and any additional profit they can get out of the sale makes it more worth their while.

Now he is pumping them out like no tomorrow...thanks in no small part to the cheering section here at TS.com.

If you bothered to listen to the various mods, you might better undertand all the cheering.  We don't cheer blindly based on useless information like specs, we cheer because we're thrilled with the sound of the results.
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Re: Transparent Mod UA-5
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2005, 05:27:42 PM »
He makes different options"Bashing" and "hostility" is a little strong...I'm being a bit cynical, yes...but I think sometimes that is healthy...

FWIW, I don't think your post came across as "a bit cynical" at all, I felt it came across downright hostile - so, bashing, yes.  Todd R obviously shares my sentiments, and I suspect others do as well.  Cynicism is difficult to convey in this medium, perhaps you should practice "a bit" more.  :P

edited so it wont be so long and redundant...

Now he is pumping them out like no tomorrow...thanks in no small part to the cheering section here at TS.com.

If you bothered to listen to the various mods, you might better undertand all the cheering.  We don't cheer blindly based on useless information like specs, we cheer because we're thrilled with the sound of the results.

all said with my thoughts in mind...HUGE +T!!!!

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Re: Transparent Mod UA-5
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2005, 05:57:09 PM »
I own 2 UA-5's...1 w/Wmod, and the other w/Pmod.  I use them to achieve different results when i am recording different styles of music.  Part of my reasoning was to have 2 very good preamps with usb 24 bit capabilities, instead of having one "top shelf" pre for equal price.
I am very happy with the quality, service, advice, and customer service that the Oades have provided, and disagree with the statement that Doug is only in it for the money.
If that were true, i doubt he would have a Messege Board with a "Used Gear Exchange" Forum in it.

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Re: Transparent Mod UA-5
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2005, 06:20:48 PM »
He makes different options"Bashing" and "hostility" is a little strong...I'm being a bit cynical, yes...but I think sometimes that is healthy...

FWIW, I don't think your post came across as "a bit cynical" at all, I felt it came across downright hostile - so, bashing, yes.  Todd R obviously shares my sentiments, and I suspect others do as well.  Cynicism is difficult to convey in this medium, perhaps you should practice "a bit" more.  :P

edited so it wont be so long and redundant...

Now he is pumping them out like no tomorrow...thanks in no small part to the cheering section here at TS.com.

If you bothered to listen to the various mods, you might better undertand all the cheering.  We don't cheer blindly based on useless information like specs, we cheer because we're thrilled with the sound of the results.

all said with my thoughts in mind...HUGE +T!!!!



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Re: Transparent Mod UA-5
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2005, 06:36:57 PM »
Ummm...What is the problem with the UA-5 stock?
It is already transparent and has a nice soundstage STRAIGHT OUTTA THE BOX!

Nothing wrong...Oade is genius! Mr Oade has apparently discovered that he can create 3 different(note: different...not better) sounds from this device by swapping various sets of parts out. He has given each "mod" a name and charges double the price of a stock unit. Pretty slick...epsecially when there are few specs available for this device (for comparison) and he publishes no specs to support the advantages of his mods. Oade must have gotten a sweet deal on a raft of UA5s when they were discontinued...(no wonder he wont work on units he didn't sell) - Now he is pumping them out like no tomorrow...thanks in no small part to the cheering section here at TS.com.

What I want to know is: why doesn't Oade offer a "Mod Pod"? - like an external box that would let you choose any of the mods or stock - that way with a flick of the switch you could switch from w-mod to t-mod to p-mod...i.e. - why not make all the mods available in one device...even if it required a small outboard box...???



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Re: Transparent Mod UA-5
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2005, 06:59:08 PM »
Ummm...What is the problem with the UA-5 stock?
It is already transparent and has a nice soundstage STRAIGHT OUTTA THE BOX!

Nothing wrong...Oade is genius! Mr Oade has apparently discovered that he can create 3 different(note: different...not better) sounds from this device by swapping various sets of parts out. He has given each "mod" a name and charges double the price of a stock unit. Pretty slick...epsecially when there are few specs available for this device (for comparison) and he publishes no specs to support the advantages of his mods. Oade must have gotten a sweet deal on a raft of UA5s when they were discontinued...(no wonder he wont work on units he didn't sell) - Now he is pumping them out like no tomorrow...thanks in no small part to the cheering section here at TS.com.

What I want to know is: why doesn't Oade offer a "Mod Pod"? - like an external box that would let you choose any of the mods or stock - that way with a flick of the switch you could switch from w-mod to t-mod to p-mod...i.e. - why not make all the mods available in one device...even if it required a small outboard box...???



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