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Gear / Technical Help => Battery Boxes, Preamps, Mixers, ADCs, and Processors => Topic started by: landshark on July 17, 2007, 01:50:17 PM
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Hi all -
I was assuming that the Apogee MM could do both analog out and digital out. I'm looking for a better pre- front end to my Korg MR-1 (so I can use line-in rather than the Korg pre's), and figured I might as well get something that could also do digital just to have the flexibility of using with my MT. I know the V3 can output both analog and digital, allowing it to be used as just a pre, but I can't see how that can be done with the MM. Am I missing something?
Thanks in advance -
Mike
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the only analog output from the MiniMe is the 1/8" headphone jack. this will output audio before the A/D section, but it's not really ideal because it is just an 1/8" jack.
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get a mini-MP instead ...
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there is nothing wrong w/a 1/8th jack. Its just not balanced. no different than RCA inputs when you think of it.
the MMP sounds absolutely nothing like the MME
IMO, FWIW, YMMV
:)
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Ugh, that's what I thought. My whole plan was to have the MR-1 do all the A/D, but the pre's in that are pretty poor (not so much in terms of noise, but they can't take a very dynamic signal) so I need something to get my mics to line-level. Since the primary purpose is to feed better line-level signal to my MR-1, running through the headphone out (which presumably also involves a headphone amp / more noise?) is sub-optimal. Nutz. Anyone run their MiniMe taking analog out of the headphone jacks?
Nick, just a question - you mention that the MMp sounds nothing like the MME - can you describe any of the difference? Now that the MM's kinda blown as an option, my choice is to pony up the $$$ for a V3 to get pre and A/D capability, or go pure pre (which will save me some $$$ - something like a SD MixPre or the like)...
Thanks!!
Mike
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to my ears, the MMP sounds like a V2>ad1k rig, only outputting an analog signal.
but...its a little warmer..has more features...
i dont know, I just freakin' love it.
straight up analog preamp > MR1 is the way to go Mike. thats what I run too.
the MMe to me was very rounded sounding. a little too fat. nice sound though..just not my cup of tea w/the mics I used w/it when I ran one. the minimicpre just has a sweetness to it..., and is perfect for the mr1 w/its output attenuation option.
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Thanks Nick!!!
(will +t when I hit 50 posts...<grin>)
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Are the MP's outputs are balanced? I haven't checked it out yet...and want to run it into unbalanced TS 1/4" jacks sometimes.
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I personally like the mmp better than the v2 or the analog section of the v3.
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yes, outputs are balanced XLRs.
no headphone jack.
I also like it better than the v2/3.
Its got clarity, detail, speed, monsterous 3d presentation..., and apogee flavor.
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if your looking for a preamp not the a/d the
mini me probably isnt your best bet
its the top of the line a/d you should take advatage of that
not many other have the presence the mini me does
but the pre is a little light particularly in the lower end
go for the sonosax or the v3
and go digitally in
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sax?
ugh
no digi in on the MR1. its a DSD deck.
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sax?
ugh
no digi in on the MR1. its a DSD deck.
Exactly. Looks like I'll be going pure analog line into the MR-1 as you recommended Nick. So now I'm down to:
V3 / V2
Apogee MMP
SD MixPre
Of those, my best cost/size is looking like the SD MixPre. The MMP looks interesting, but the SD MixPre's size and cost are giving it an edge. I don't have a strong preference between the SD and the Apogee sound, so I'm thinking the SD will suit my needs. Now to find a quality used one...<grin>
Mike
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check this torrent out, or I can upload a sample when I get home from work:
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=508017
This is the MME -> headphone out -> Archos GMNI @ line-in.
I didn't have enough space and battery on my lappy to run 24/48 for every act, so I ran the GMNI for YMSB.
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Thanks Rust!!! I'll check it when I get home from work tonight (work as the url blocked...)
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If size is the issue, the mixpre is a great choice. Nice transformer sound (lundahls at that! 8) ). If size isn't, go apogee.
My .02
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IMO, the apogee sounds better, but that footprint is atrocious.
both can be had around the same price. the apogee is more familiar and pleasing to my ear.
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If you bought a minime for the preamps, you may be the first. I couldn't get rid of it fast enough, when I had one, and it was the preamps that sucked. Do yourself a favor and buy a minimp, psp2, or v2.
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If you bought a minime for the preamps, you may be the first. I couldn't get rid of it fast enough, when I had one, and it was the preamps that sucked. Do yourself a favor and buy a minimp, psp2, or v2.
The AD is why I'd buy a mme.
Also take a look at the areco mp-2. Same flavor as the psp-2 / 148
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areco's are almost a lame duck recommendation.
near impossible to find.
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I actually have used the MME headphone output several times before, even to DSD. I don't have a MME anymore but thought the headphone out sounded much better than any digitally converted signal out of the MME.
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areco's are almost a lame duck recommendation.
near impossible to find.
For 750 you can buy one new. much easier than finding a psp-2 or v2.
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I guess I was thinking psp2 actually when I posted.
ok, scratch that.
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I actually have used the MME headphone output several times before, even to DSD. I don't have a MME anymore but thought the headphone out sounded much better than any digitally converted signal out of the MME.
ditto
I used to send patches to the occassional MD user via the 1/8 out on the minime...
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If size is the issue, the mixpre is a great choice. Nice transformer sound (lundahls at that! 8) ). If size isn't, go apogee.
My .02
Isn't that the same transformers used in the sd mp-2?
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same company..., so it wouldn't surprise me.
the mix pre is like the "new" version of the mp2
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I have been looking at that Apogee Mini-MP. I guess I could run the analog XLR outputs into my PMD660, but with the phantom power turned off, correct?
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Hi NOLA -
Nope.
There are no analog XLR outputs - check the pictures of the unit. There are 2x XLR inputs, but the only outputs are the headphone jack and the SPDIF. There is also an AES/EBU, but I think that's also an output, for digital out and "world clock" function (but that's just a guess). I was thinking along the same lines as you, until I took a look at the pictures and couldn't figure out where the heck the analog-out was.
http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/minime.php
Interesting note from their website: "As of July 25th, 2007, Mini-Me is no longer available."
Looks like it's out of production, I wonder if they're going to replace it.....
Mike
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Hi NOLA -
Nope.
There are no analog XLR outputs - check the pictures of the unit. There are 2x XLR inputs, but the only outputs are the headphone jack and the SPDIF. There is also an AES/EBU, but I think that's also an output, for digital out and "world clock" function (but that's just a guess). I was thinking along the same lines as you, until I took a look at the pictures and couldn't figure out where the heck the analog-out was.
http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/minime.php
Interesting note from their website: "As of July 25th, 2007, Mini-Me is no longer available."
Looks like it's out of production, I wonder if they're going to replace it.....
Mike
I see xlr ins and outs in these pics:
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MiniMP/
and I was wondering the same thing NOLA, how would the mini MP sound in front of the pmd 660 =D
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I have been looking at that Apogee Mini-MP.
Sorry but the Mini-ME was discontinued as of July 27th. I was talking about the Mini-MP.
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hmmm.....
I have no idea how that would sound, but i'm sure it would be cool.
Love my MMP.