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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #600 on: July 19, 2023, 12:42:10 AM »
The other night using my A10s (I run one for stage, one for SBD) I had a bizarre issue where it seemingly unpaired from my phone, and would -not- re-pair no matter what I tried in the moment. Not sure if it was because I was surrounded by dozens of other Bluetooth devices in a rather large venue or what. Even after the show I was still unable to get it to pair without throwing errors, what *finally* worked was brute forcing it with NFC. By which I mean, I had to initiate NFC pairing at least 5 times before it finally "stuck", at which point it was perfect, again.

Ran into the issue after pairing it to my car for some listening for the first time the day prior, so, just throwing this out there as a cautionary tale, and as a possible fix if anyone else has the same thing occur. I had to Google where the NFC reader was in my phone - you put put it flush against the little NFC Icon on the back of the A10 and it then automatically tries to pair. Wasn't even aware of that feature.

I am not sure if it is the recorder or not (I figured it was my new phone) but my A10 will no longer just Bluetooth to my phone.  If I want to connect to the phone app I MUST NFC to get it to connect.  I am on a Google Pixel 7 Pro.
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #601 on: July 20, 2023, 10:32:02 AM »
I am 99% >:D and was having occasional issues with my rig getting jostled; especially at crowded standing shows.  I came up with the idea of using a couple of velcro strips.  One wraps around three times and fits under the right-angle plug arm.  The other is just a single velcro strip to keep the wire from moving around.  I haven't had a single issue since I've been doing this for the last several months, so I think I can confidently say it works.

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #602 on: July 20, 2023, 12:03:15 PM »
I am 99% >:D and was having occasional issues with my rig getting jostled; especially at crowded standing shows.  I came up with the idea of using a couple of velcro strips.  One wraps around three times and fits under the right-angle plug arm.  The other is just a single velcro strip to keep the wire from moving around.  I haven't had a single issue since I've been doing this for the last several months, so I think I can confidently say it works.


Ooh, nice! I should have some strips that size around, will give it a shot.

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #603 on: July 20, 2023, 02:27:11 PM »
I ran line in with the limiter on the other night to try to tame loud applause at a Jeff Tweedy acoustic show. Really bad results, seems like the limiter reaction was slow and the peaks go up and down. Kind of sounds almost like the limiter is going on and off during the applause. The music is all good but the between songs is really annoying, sounds like it is modulating or something. I'm going to be reducing the applause with Izotope and and then reducing those sections even further by drawing the volume down with Samplitude, so not the end of the world. Once those sections are reduced it won't be quite as bad but still kind of annoying.

Has anyone else had this happen with the limiter?

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #604 on: July 20, 2023, 04:17:45 PM »
I use the limiter nearly all the time and never noticed anything weird with it. Note that I leave recording level set for 6 when using internal mics, and rarely patch anything else with the A10
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #605 on: July 20, 2023, 09:08:48 PM »
The limiter, not automatic gain control? From your description, that sounds more like AGC behavior.

Like Morst, I leave the limiter on all the time (but at low overall gain) and have never noticed anything weird. I leave the applause for iZotope to handle in post, since I know it'll do the job.

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #606 on: July 20, 2023, 11:35:07 PM »
The limiter, not automatic gain control? From your description, that sounds more like AGC behavior.

Like Morst, I leave the limiter on all the time (but at low overall gain) and have never noticed anything weird. I leave the applause for iZotope to handle in post, since I know it'll do the job.

I thought the limiter was just on /off. What do you mean you use it with low overall gain?

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #607 on: July 21, 2023, 01:02:30 AM »

I thought the limiter was just on /off. What do you mean you use it with low overall gain?

I mean I don't turn up the gain high enough that the limiter kicks in a lot. It's just there to prevent clipping on stray very loud bits.

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #608 on: July 21, 2023, 05:35:06 PM »
OK, I have been leaving the limiter on as well, but still trying to set the levels enough that it's unlikely to need limiting.

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #609 on: July 22, 2023, 08:16:55 AM »
Dumb question.
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Should we be starting a new thread on this device.  Seems like a decent turning point...
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #610 on: July 22, 2023, 11:20:23 AM »
The limiter, not automatic gain control? From your description, that sounds more like AGC behavior.
It definitely sounds like what automatic gain control does but I'm pretty sure I had it set for manual. And the parts between applause sound fine. Oh well.

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #611 on: July 22, 2023, 11:25:13 AM »
The limiter, not automatic gain control? From your description, that sounds more like AGC behavior.
It definitely sounds like what automatic gain control does but I'm pretty sure I had it set for manual. And the parts between applause sound fine. Oh well.

Can you share a clip maybe? I'm very curious to hear what this sounds like.

Also, was the applause the only part that was loud enough to engage the limiter? When I saw Tweedy recently that was certainly the case.

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #612 on: September 28, 2023, 11:25:13 AM »
Looking to pick one up and found a good price thru an Ebay vendor from China. The listing claims it is U.S. A Series.  Does anyone know if there have been different series of models and if there should be concerns with buying?
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #613 on: September 28, 2023, 04:45:14 PM »
I would always have concerns about buying via an Ebay seller from China.

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #614 on: September 28, 2023, 06:18:22 PM »
There is an A10 in the YS!  I would go that route.

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Looking to pick one up and found a good price thru an Ebay vendor from China. The listing claims it is U.S. A Series.  Does anyone know if there have been different series of models and if there should be concerns with buying?
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