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« on: December 01, 2003, 02:50:42 AM »
I was told by a guy at  guitar center that for stealth recordings you can attach the mics on your shirt and wear a football jersey over them and that would not impede the recording.  Has anyone tried this or think that it would work. Just checking before I fork out $50 for a jersey.      

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2003, 02:56:58 AM »
Don't fork over no $50 for no stinkin' jersey. There are much less expensive, more creative ways to mount your stealthies.

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2003, 02:58:16 AM »
Any other suggestions would be great.

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2003, 03:08:48 AM »
Well, what are you running?

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2003, 03:15:52 AM »
A sharp md480,  sound professionals SP-CMC-2 mic with a slimline batterybox.

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2003, 03:19:45 AM »
put em on your head.

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2003, 03:25:23 AM »
Do you know if the mesh would impede the recording?   I could probably borrow one from one of my sport fantic buddies.  

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2003, 04:39:35 AM »
clip them to some glasses, or a hat

you want them as high as possible, pointing forward

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2003, 07:01:00 AM »
mesh wont impede the recording...most stealth tapes that I have made have either been inside of a Kangol hat with a mesh type exterior, and even a couple under a thin cotton shirt...only thing you have to worry about is the fabric brushing up against the capsule...

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2003, 07:37:48 AM »
black baseball hat, turn the hat around, let the wires run down the inside of your shirt in the back (make sure its a little longer than normal), tuck the md, cables, bat box in your back pocket of your jeans.  you can clip the mics to the front of the hat, the bill of the cap will cover the mic cables till they get in your shirt.

the only thing people will see will be two little things popping off the front of the hat.  if they give you any weird looks, just act like you don't want to be there, and look sternly at the band.  everyone will leave you alone.

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2003, 01:41:12 PM »
I'm a fan of the shoulder mount - poking thru a coupla carefully placed holes.  I can't keep my head still if I'm into the music.  I figure my body partially acts as a baffle for sounds from the rear as well.  Probably gotta be tall for the sound to be OK in a tight crowd.
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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2003, 02:27:50 PM »
I used to run the mics on my shoulders with mediocre results.  once I put the mics in my hat....the sound is markedly different...I would recommend it!

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2003, 08:54:44 PM »
We'll get you some 4061s... or maybe some Sankens so's yous and Is can swap for shits! ;)

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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2003, 09:14:18 PM »
What are    4061s or Sankens?   mics?   Thanks     --Bill

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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2003, 09:36:39 PM »
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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2003, 11:08:07 PM »
Sankens are also mini-mics...along with the 4061's, just about the tiniest mics you'll ever see. Check out the COS-11's: http://www.sanken-mic.com/english/condenser/cos-11s.html
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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2003, 11:52:45 PM »
Wish there were more recordings done with the COS-11s... there are some good Japanese Manson and Tool tapes, and I need to get a hold of some of teh Metallica Fillmore shows done with them. Variety is nice.

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« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2003, 12:00:33 AM »
those sankens look sick...  +T

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2003, 03:30:36 PM »
yeah, mount the mics as high as possible.  i use a  toque (or beanie) run them up your neck and over your ears.  wear a hoodie to cover up your neck.  of course this method becomes really, really annoying in the summer time.

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2003, 03:53:07 PM »
Big fan of the hat trick, although I look (and feel) like a tool when I'm wearing a baseball cap backwards. I use the Sound Pro SP-CMC-4s when stealthing, tucked in the elastic lining around the cap just in front of my ears in a directly forward setup. No other config, though I should probably try something like a wire bar next time. Then I just run the cables out the back of my hat together with electrical tape (my hair is a little dark anyway), and I normally wear a hoodie when out stealthing. With the hood, that blocks most of the view of my cables anyway. I don't normally stealth in small clubs, and in big venues like stadiums and amphitheaters, getting in the door is 90% of the problem. The rest is just keeping a very low profile.

I tried doing the shoulder mount once at a Bela Fleck and Edgar Meyer concert at my school. I didn't think a baseball cap would look appropriate in a fine arts theater. But the recording is pretty muffled and if you crank the bass, you can actually hear my heart beat. It's kinda weird. Won't do that again.
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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2003, 03:57:23 PM »
if you crank the bass, you can actually hear my heart beat.

That's kinda cool.  Little nervous and blood pressure pumped up while stealthing, though, eh? :P
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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2003, 06:33:06 AM »
Does anyone have a pic of the baseball cap method?  Also what are the consequences if I do happen to get caught taping?  Any helpful things i can say to get me out of the jam besides running?  

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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2003, 06:49:58 AM »
yeah, mount the mics as high as possible.  i use a  toque (or beanie) run them up your neck and over your ears.  wear a hoodie to cover up your neck.  of course this method becomes really, really annoying in the summer time.

hehe, the other night i was wearing a hoodie right behind the pit and it was getting a bit steamy, especially with the dykes crowding my space.  But it worked so well!  I dare not walk around the Warfield anymore without a hoodie ever since armen and spargey got caught ;)

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2003, 06:53:37 AM »
Does anyone have a pic of the baseball cap method?  Also what are the consequences if I do happen to get caught taping?  Any helpful things i can say to get me out of the jam besides running?  

fake a heart attack?

If you already have some sets recorded, keep your tapes, hide them, shove them down your pants, hand them off to a third party in the commotion. They'll escort you out.  But really, you shouldn't be worried, just keep a low profile and you'll be fine.

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2003, 07:58:24 PM »
i've only ever stealthed from my shoulders; cos i've always figured that if the mics are on my head and i move my head much, then the sound will be quite noticeably different. and i do move my head a lot at gigs. i move my shoulders also, but nowhere near as much as i move my head.

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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2003, 08:32:41 PM »
Be a statue. Only way to go.

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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2003, 08:39:42 PM »
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Be a statue. Only way to go.

impossible. have you ever done it? for the whole show?

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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2003, 08:52:44 PM »
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Be a statue. Only way to go.

impossible. have you ever done it? for the whole show?

What the heck kind of a question is that? ;)
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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2003, 09:12:11 PM »
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impossible. have you ever done it? for the whole show?

Nonsense.  Very possible, reasonable even.  I've done it myself as have many people on this board.

Let's try to regain some focus here.  I've seen three issues raised here by you, porphyry:

[1] how to get soundboard recordings from BIG bands who are not necessarily taper friendly

You answered this question yourself with confirmation from Moke on the first post and the addition of stealthing as an option.  I would also add as an option: don't record and simply try to download/trade for leaked recordings online if and when they're available.

[2] What are ALDs and how do they work?

Answered.

[3] How to remove the frustrations of taping with mics

Answered.

I'm not sure what else to say, porphyry, we've essentially answered the questions posed.  Perhaps we did not provide the answers you wanted to hear, but to the best of our ability, answers nonetheless.  Maybe we should approach [3] from a different, more constructive angle:

What frustrations, exactly, are so overwhelming it removes the joy from taping?
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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2003, 09:13:56 PM »
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impossible. have you ever done it? for the whole show?

sure have....some minor movement is not detectable on most tapes...but yup, relatively still for a whole show...

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« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2003, 09:15:45 PM »
Porphyry, you can (and will, if YOU put your mind to it) make AUD recordings that blow away SBDs any day of the week. I know I do it, and so do some on this board.

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« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2003, 09:18:54 PM »
ya oughta hear mine when I take to spontaneous twirling! ;)

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« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2003, 09:25:59 PM »
seriously speaking here.....

When I stealthed (rip old stealth mics :'( ), I always had my decks suspended by the shoulder strap, under my left arm.

You can tell when I level checked, because the entire image would shift to my right mic, and then come back to center a moment later.

this is why I keep my gear that I check the levels on at the center of my waist, so I bear the eyes down, check, and refocus back up...really minor up/down of mics vs. left/right

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« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2003, 09:27:17 PM »
I did that Friday night. Man, my happy trail area was hurtin'! But you're right, that is the way to go. No audible difference... omnis help in that sense.

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« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2003, 09:30:43 PM »
even with cards Armen....hardly noticeable...

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« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2003, 09:32:20 PM »
I hear ya!

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« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2003, 10:12:29 PM »
Moke... you are hard core, that's all there is to it.

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« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2003, 04:32:39 AM »
it's gonna be sad to see the remote on the MD go when the M1 arrives, minor set back for a huge gain ;D

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« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2003, 06:56:44 AM »
i can't physically keep still when my favourite fucking band in the whole world is playing. i can't do it. i have to at least move my head up and down. i just feel so empty and pathetic standing there and not moving. i must have natural rhthym (sic?) or somefink. I CAN'T DO IT! seriously.

but more than that, there's usually people bumping into you, people who need you to move so they can walk past you... at the last gig i was at, at least five people all tried to push past me cos i was standing in front of the sound engineer's barrier and they all thought they could somehow walk through there to get out of the venue (stupid drug-addled goths... >:() and you can really hear the difference when i move, even just a foot in one direction... i hate it, it ruins the whole song.  >:(

and stealthing with mini mics is the only way for me to go cos i can't afford stands and big mics and all that. i still like the sound i get from my mini mics and my minidiscs, i just wish i could get a sweet recording and still dance like a fucking maniac.  :)

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« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2003, 08:30:46 AM »
this is probably going to come out badly, but I will try anyway....maybe stealthing isn't for you...it definitely isn't for everyone.  There are times when I do it, I am sitting there thinking the whole time that I will never do it again...that is till I get home and get back to my senses.  But seriously, we all spend alot of money on tickets, traveling, etc...and if your not having fun at the show, taping should be a last priority...go have a good time.  If it ever gets to the point where I cannot have fun at a show I am taping, I will be done stealthing...simple as that.  

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« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2003, 10:40:01 AM »
this is probably going to come out badly, but I will try anyway....maybe stealthing isn't for you...it definitely isn't for everyone.  There are times when I do it, I am sitting there thinking the whole time that I will never do it again...that is till I get home and get back to my senses.  But seriously, we all spend alot of money on tickets, traveling, etc...and if your not having fun at the show, taping should be a last priority...go have a good time.  If it ever gets to the point where I cannot have fun at a show I am taping, I will be done stealthing...simple as that.  
exactly, i feel like something is missing when i go to a show and dont have something to convert when i get home, this past summer i was all set to go and tape, but they my friends told me the place now had metal dectors so i just said oh well, ill just enjoy it, but then i got pissed because i knew i wouldnt have the recording of the show after and didnt enjoy it very much, so when i go to a show, i just have to tape

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« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2003, 10:45:59 AM »
i love stealthing and i love going nuts. it really causes me a lot of grief! when i'm standing at a gig watching my favourite band and i start thinking "ooh, i can't wait til i get home and listen to this... i hope its good.... i wonder if i got the levels right.... i should probably lift my right shoulder a bit.... no thats too high... i wonder if that'll show up on the recording..." and then i catch myself and think "FUCK! i should be concentrating on the music and enjoying myself, not worrying about all this shit!"

obviously if you want to tape then you have to make compromises, but it's pretty fucking awful, isn't it?

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« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2003, 10:50:43 AM »
obviously if you want to tape then you have to make compromises, but it's pretty fucking awful, isn't it?

maybe I am in the minority...but it doesnt seem like that big of a compromise to me

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« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2003, 11:03:08 AM »
maybe i'm in the minority... maybe everyone else doesn't consider it that much of a compromise/sacrifice.  ???

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #45 on: December 08, 2003, 11:04:01 AM »
well, im not trying to be a dick here, everyone starts somewhere, but if you want the tape AND want to dance, where the dedication to save a lil cash and get a cheap stand, PROBLEM SOLVED...... 8)
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« Reply #46 on: December 08, 2003, 11:07:51 AM »
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gee i didn't realise that the problem was solved so easily....

and where do i put the stand at gigs that for whatever reason do not allow taping? (and don't say "then don't tape"!)

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #47 on: December 08, 2003, 01:38:39 PM »
I'm fairly confident that I've learned the white man's stealth dance pretty well. I still get my groove on (to the beat, btw) and I'm having a blast. You'll see my head move, but not in a way that shifts the image too much. It's just not all out hippy twirling, head banging stuff.

In stealthing, the tape comes first, otherwise why stealth? You could try and set it up under a coat or something off to the side by a PA or something.

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« Reply #48 on: December 08, 2003, 02:20:32 PM »
Move your arms, your body, whatever. Just don't move your head.
You have to decide which you want more - going nuts or stealthing. If you try to do both, you'll be shit out of luck.

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« Reply #49 on: December 08, 2003, 06:15:54 PM »
Thanks to everyone for all this great stealthing help. I decided to put the mics on my hat.  I was practicing recording by blaring my home theatre system and noticed clearing your throat or a small cough is noticeable on the tape.  (better be careful).  Has anyone ever accidently starting singing along or have an accidental burp(after chugging some beers) and have it show up on the tape?  And what to do if some hot chick comes and starts talking about the show?  Is it worth sacricing the tape?  

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« Reply #50 on: December 08, 2003, 06:22:59 PM »
No singing.
Burps on purpose.
Forget the chick; it's all about the tape!

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« Reply #51 on: December 08, 2003, 07:20:04 PM »
dude, you're a stealthing nerd.  No chicks are gonna come talk to you ;D

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« Reply #52 on: December 08, 2003, 07:23:20 PM »
They'd better not.

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« Reply #53 on: December 08, 2003, 09:09:48 PM »
I want to say thanks to all on these replies, between this thread and the "soundboard recordings"  thread I've learned more in a half hour of reading then the last few weeks trying to find the elusive stealth answers. One more question maybe someone can answer, where are omnis better than card's and vice versa. thanks
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STEALTH = M1290-HC>MIC 2496>MT 24/96
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« Reply #54 on: December 09, 2003, 12:18:35 AM »
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gee i didn't realise that the problem was solved so easily....

and where do i put the stand at gigs that for whatever reason do not allow taping? (and don't say "then don't tape"!)

well, looks like you dont want your problem solved,good luck, i dont know what to tell ya, dont tape!!
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« Reply #55 on: December 09, 2003, 12:21:13 AM »
I want to say thanks to all on these replies, between this thread and the "soundboard recordings"  thread I've learned more in a half hour of reading then the last few weeks trying to find the elusive stealth answers. One more question maybe someone can answer, where are omnis better than cart's and vice versa. thanks
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youd want to use the omnis either outside or in a GREAT soundingvenue, but outside....cards are WAY more versatile, thats allive used in 4 yrs of recording w/ my equipment.... 8)
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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #56 on: December 09, 2003, 08:34:43 AM »
I was practicing recording by blaring my home theatre system and noticed clearing your throat or a small cough is noticeable on the tape.  (better be careful).  Has anyone ever accidently starting singing along or have an accidental burp(after chugging some beers) and have it show up on the tape?

You have to save the burps and coughs for the louder passages. If you do it when the music is loud, you may not hear it on the tape.

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« Reply #57 on: December 09, 2003, 12:15:19 PM »
I don't normally drink beer when I'm stealthing. The danger comes with the desire to piss that beer can bring.

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Re:recording under football jersey
« Reply #58 on: December 10, 2003, 11:10:23 AM »
If I am going to be stealthing a show in the evening, I try to drink a lot of coffee during the day, and then stop drinking altogether a few hours before the show.  By showtime I have pissed all the coffe out of me and I am relatively dehydrated, so even if I drink some during the show I will not likely have the need to piss for a few hours.  Its all about the advance preparation, like scouting and coaching a football game...

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« Reply #59 on: December 10, 2003, 11:31:10 AM »
If I am going to be stealthing a show in the evening, I try to drink a lot of coffee during the day, and then stop drinking altogether a few hours before the show.  By showtime I have pissed all the coffe out of me and I am relatively dehydrated, so even if I drink some during the show I will not likely have the need to piss for a few hours.  Its all about the advance preparation, like scouting and coaching a football game...

I can honestly say I have never put that much though into my stealth-day activities ;D

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« Reply #60 on: December 10, 2003, 03:12:31 PM »
Never once!

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« Reply #61 on: December 10, 2003, 03:16:07 PM »
Bullshit! You have to plan for at least a few hours ahead of time everything you're going to need, and where it's all going to fit. You can't just say "I'm gonna stealth" and get in the car. No way.

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« Reply #62 on: December 10, 2003, 03:53:32 PM »
Ever since listening to the Springsteen stealth tape where the guy goes to the mens room, pisses, and then goes back out to the show, with tape rolling the whole time, I have been paranoid that my need to pee will fuck up an otherwise great tape.  So I go the dehydration route!  Now, if I could come up with an equally effective means of keeping my neck and back from hurting so much after being a statue for two hours straight-

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« Reply #63 on: December 10, 2003, 08:54:09 PM »
Bullshit! You have to plan for at least a few hours ahead of time everything you're going to need, and where it's all going to fit. You can't just say "I'm gonna stealth" and get in the car. No way.

it does take some prep, but no where near as much as that...I can be ready in about 15-20 minutes....once you get a routine down, it can be quick

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« Reply #64 on: December 10, 2003, 09:16:34 PM »
Now, if I could come up with an equally effective means of keeping my neck and back from hurting so much after being a statue for two hours straight-
I'll occasionally turn my body to one side and just keep my head facing forward - it helps my neck a good deal. Back is another story, though...I can't imagine ANYONE doing that for a full festival. That convo between Armen and Moke on another thread made my back hurt just reading it!  :o :crazy:
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« Reply #65 on: December 10, 2003, 10:37:32 PM »
Bullshit! You have to plan for at least a few hours ahead of time everything you're going to need, and where it's all going to fit. You can't just say "I'm gonna stealth" and get in the car. No way.

Like hell. Two months ago, I would have said, it takes a little preparation, but not much, but now that I have my taping sack (aka one of those Rakgears or whatever, got it from Boswell) with everything in it, all I have to do it make sure:

1. I'm wearing clothes
2. I have a belt
3. My sack is in the car! (Learned my lesson of forgetting cables at home on October 12, 2003. It won't happen again.)

Hop in the car and go, yo!

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« Reply #66 on: December 11, 2003, 01:50:17 AM »
I normally keep all my gear in full taping status, stand and all. To make the switch from open taping to stealth takes me at least a little while to decide how much I want to bring in. MD or DAT? MC012s or AT853s? Crotch or girlfriend's purse? Extra batteries or prayer? I spend at least a half hour researching the venue to see what kind of security I'll be up against.

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« Reply #67 on: December 12, 2003, 02:25:56 PM »
It's best that you clip your mic's onto your hat or throw them into the air by any means possible.  It is however possible to record from your jersey.  Ive done it before  =)

I recorded Static-X and Assesino at HOB Anaheim 2 years ago, and it was all under my jersey.  Came out pretty good.  Maybe a lil clipping because i was young and still didnt know how to use my equipment all that properly, but hey, it doesnt take much outa the quality unless you are in the pit and people are bumping into you, and you are squished.  THEN the sound will be lost.  I'd wanna keep it up in the air at all times, but if you need to stealth it because of tight security, jersey works decent.

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« Reply #68 on: December 15, 2003, 06:30:18 PM »
so when i go to a show, i just have to tape
that is how i am.  if i go, i tape.  if i can't go, then i won't tape (hasn't happened yet, thankfully!  ;D)
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« Reply #69 on: December 15, 2003, 06:31:11 PM »
if i can't go, then i won't tape (hasn't happened yet, thankfully!  ;D)

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« Reply #70 on: December 15, 2003, 07:15:41 PM »
Nice catch, Brian. Lousy catch-22s...

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« Reply #71 on: December 15, 2003, 09:25:05 PM »
i think he mixed up his independent and subordinate clauses there

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« Reply #72 on: December 15, 2003, 09:31:19 PM »
On second look, I think it's just redundant.

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« Reply #73 on: December 16, 2003, 05:20:10 AM »
i've got some soundpro binaurals and carefully placed holes in a number of different hats (i look like an idiot in a hat, so any hat i own is worthy of getting holes).    my md broke before i could really start using the gear though.

 

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