Topic: so what does the 722 sound like?

[scb]

4 files should be up.  1a,b,2a,b plus a very short info file

[John R]

4 files should be up.  1a,b,2a,b plus a very short info file

yeah, they're up.

 'v3722comparison'

carbon leaf
2-24-05
irving plaza


2 sources are:

4022 > v3
4021 > 722

both are 24/96

listen to both and choose which you like better.  which track is which source will be revealed later

[scb]

sorry my info files suck

[justink]

4 files should be up.  1a,b,2a,b plus a very short info file

yeah, they're up.

 'v3722comparison'

carbon leaf
2-24-05
irving plaza


2 sources are:

4022 > v3
4021 > 722

both are 24/96

listen to both and choose which you like better.  which track is which source will be revealed later

can you point me where to go... i'm lost!   

[Brian Skalinder]

Alright, on first listen, as a relative 24-bit newbie, just over headphones - can't get this fired up on the full stereo tonight - and having no real reference for the 722 or Mytek, here's what I hear...

SOURCE A
Sharper attack in highs, smoother decay, better detail - noticable in percussion hits
Greater detail and more up front - guitar, keyboards, vocals
Bass more precise, not as round, extension...?...dunno, tough to say over headphones
More coherent soundstage

SOURCE B
Fuzzier attack in highs, spittier decay = fatiguing for me
Mids not as detailed or clear & crisp as A (guitar, keyboards, vocals) - mid-low emphasis maybe muddies up the mids a bit to my ears?
Stronger low end, rounder, extension...?...dunno, tough to say over headphones

Normally, one source will sound more "hyped" than the other to me, though in this case neither seemed terribly "hyped".  But A seems brighter and more detailed overall, or B somehow seems a little muffled / veiled relative to A.

If I had to guess, I'd say Source B = 722, and A = V3/Mytek.

FWIW, playback is:  PC > Waveterminal 2496 > smART D/IO > AKG K501s

[F.O.Bean]

god review ska, id love to know whats what.

[John R]

can you point me where to go... i'm lost!   

ftp site:  tapers.org
login: ftp4all
password: ftp4all

there may be some other stuff there you'll be interested in also

[nickgregory]

so I havent downloaded Scotts comparison tapes yet, but I have been listening to my tape from the other night, and a couple of quick thoughts...though I didnt run a comparison that night, I do have a good idea what my mics sound like behind the V3 in the Lincoln theatre for a show like BHTM, so that is my frame of reference for what it is worth. 

I ran MG200s>722 (thanks Tim for letting me borrow it!) for both BHTM and Carbonleaf the other night.  I have only really given the BHTM set a critical listen on both 24 bit and 16 bit.

The key difference that I hear from what I am used to with regards to the V3 in the chain is that the highs dont seem nearly as clear and defined as I am used to.  That being said, I dont think it is because they are not defined well, I just think that the low end is emphasized a bit more than I am used to as well, so that is attacking some of the clarity of the upper end.  I think the result is less "smoothness" on the highs than I am accustomed to. 

The low end, while not muddy, has a bit less definition to it than what the V3 provides.  The mids imo are pretty much on par with the V3. 

I listened to the entire 24 bit tape straight through last night....very pleasing to the ear, not tiring to listen to at all as I have found some combos to sound sometimes.  Bottom line though, I want to run a direct comparison at some point before I form a more solid opinion.

I will start both the 16 and 24 bit tapes up to the archive later today so folks can give them a listen.

[MattD]

4022 > v3
4021 > 722
both are 24/96

I did this second comparison last night, once again using foobar's ABX plugin to determine that I could clearly distinguish between the two. I encourage others to do this as well (I think winamp also has such a plugin) so that you can prove to yourself that you can distinguish one track from the other.

In that comp, I found that I liked source A better. A sounded more musical and "alive" than B, which was almost sterile in this comparison. I think that was because B sounded more neutral. The details were there in B throughout the audible range, while I noticed that A was not dead on with every attack. I wouldn't go as far as to call A sloppy by any means, just not as crisp and defined as B.

My call: A is 722, B is V3.

[Brian Skalinder]

I did this second comparison last night, once again using foobar's ABX plugin to determine that I could clearly distinguish between the two. I encourage others to do this as well (I think winamp also has such a plugin) so that you can prove to yourself that you can distinguish one track from the other.

Second comp = morecomparison or v3722comparison?

At any rate, yeah - ABX is a great way to comp these - or any - recordings, makes it easy to identify if you're really hearing what you think you're hearing.

[MattD]

I downloaded from the morecomparison folder. I didn't know there was another one. Scott, tell me I messed this one up! *sigh*

[scb]

if you had carbon leaf, it was the v3/722

if it was big head todd, it was the mytek/722

i thoughtthe files in the "morecomparison" were up in the comparison folder.  it's the same sources and same show, just 2 more tracks

[Brian Skalinder]

I need to give my ears a rest and come back to the straight V3/722 comp, but wanted to suggest to anyone doing that one:  add ~2.5dB gain to Source B, levels are a little low relative to A and this'll make for easier critical listening.

[Brian]

marc's in the stone age, matt. don't mind him

my ears were built at 16 bits and non-upgradeable.

Marc and I are part of a very exclusive school, that is getting more exclusive with each passing day!

moke..

acoustic music at 24/96?

how can you not convert?  amzing clarity and dynamics

[Brian Skalinder]

but wanted to suggest to anyone doing that [straight V3/722] one:  add ~2.5dB gain to Source B, levels are a little low relative to A and this'll make for easier critical listening.

Update:  track 2B only, track 1A/B seem pretty darn close.