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Re: the Healy Method???
« Reply #60 on: October 14, 2024, 12:30:20 AM »
I gotta resurrect this thread with some perspectives. I've been utilizing Healy on stage (CA-14 Omnis) pretty steadily for about 5 years at this point. I first started taping with a zoom in my shirt pocket and had one experience in particular early on where I taped a set from the front row of a venue with no front fills -- the tape was overall rough and lacked paramount vocals but I was struck by just how goddamn good the direct sound from the drum kit & amps on stage sounded, even to the shitty zoom h4n internals.

Once I stepped up to external mics I tried out CA-11 cards and CA-14 Omnis and immediately fell in love with the CA-14s. Head as a baffle, omnis clipped to shoulders, extremely forgiving of positioning, and more or less just a matter of finding a decent spot in the venue to hit record. I've always preferred the omni sound since.

Did that for a bit and stepped up to going for matrixes. At this point, I picked up everything I'd need for the 'conventional' FOB PAS approach - but I'd often be disappointed with these captures due to 1) lack of excitement 2) increase in chattiness/bar clanking 3) lack of direct sound from the stage (drums!!) and 4) lacking that pull-you-back-into-the-moment omni sound. Also ran into one or two cases where I was taping in a packed room with a tiny tiny sound cage, even clamping being a dubious prospect -- enter this thread. The comment from stirinthesauce early on about Healy being great for running omnis on a small footprint stuck out at me. At this point I had been taping my favorite band (the Mountain Goats) a bunch and had some rapport with their engineer/tour manager, got the ok to plop down a rig akin to the one attached below (though seen here w/ 4060s rather than CA-14s) and from that point on I was hooked. I like to have my cake and eat it too, up front is where I want to be. Getting absolutely thrashed by the drummer. Enveloped by the sound of the venue, hearing all the excitement directed *at* the stage. If I could only capture one source, I'd probably run FOB - I've ran into situations where the venue was so tiny, someone with jangly clothing near the front could more or less kill a tape. Used my PAS 184s that I was running as backups in that actual case. But when combined with a SBD, with the right conditions, binaural up close - or its practical counterpart, healy, is far and my personal favorite sound.

I've ran the CA-14s for years but finally picked up some 4060s and I similarly adore how it turned out. I'll attach an example below -- healy only, SBD only, and then the combination of the two, as an illustration. Audio captured from the pic seen. I think this is a perfect illustration of the potential of this technique that I love so much!
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Re: the Healy Method???
« Reply #61 on: October 14, 2024, 05:48:54 PM »
I am surprised that the Healy method works well with 4060s given their small size. The point at which they become somewhat directional occurs at a very high frequency; even at 20 kHz, they are only down a couple of dB at 180°. Compared to an SDC, such as the 4006, I wouldn't expect much extra information from Healy versus AB (see the polar plots for each). In my own tests, it didn't really matter which way you point 4060s...

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Re: the Healy Method???
« Reply #62 on: October 14, 2024, 06:32:59 PM »
I am surprised that the Healy method works well with 4060s given their small size. The point at which they become somewhat directional occurs at a very high frequency; even at 20 kHz, they are only down a couple of dB at 180°. Compared to an SDC, such as the 4006, I wouldn't expect much extra information from Healy versus AB (see the polar plots for each). In my own tests, it didn't really matter which way you point 4060s...

Yes, I understand that in theory the directionality has little to do with it regarding the 4060s especially. The sense of space and positioning is due to the sound travelling between the capsules, right? It still sounds great to my ears. Still feel surrounded by the crowd during applause, still hear the sound sources as they were in the room e.g. the bass sounds left justified, etc. A stark difference from toggling mono, for example!

I want to play with healy + gutbucket's DIY APE spheres but had a bit of trouble reliably affixing them for my purposes.
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Re: the Healy Method???
« Reply #63 on: October 15, 2024, 10:01:24 AM »
Haven't had a chance to listen to your samples yet but look forward to doing so. 

Yes, Healy isn't really much different from small A-B, especially when using tiny mics that are more or less truly omni all the way up.

Adding a baffle.. or not-
If you haven't messed around with it much, try playing around with putting something between the mics and comparing that to having empty space between the mics.  Pretty much anything that blocks sound can act as a baffle- your bag, a drink special card, a menu, a floor monitor wedge, a chair back..  You might like it better, you might not.  The main thing is to familiarize yourself with the difference in sound so you can make a decision about what may work best in later situations.  At relatively narrow Healy-like A-B spacings, I hear the difference as being more open, diffuse, a bit brighter, and a bit phasier with no baffle, and a bit clearer, less bright, with wider and sharper imaging when there is a baffle between the mics.  When the spacing is a bit wider you might use two baffles, one relatively close to each mic, rather than a single big one.

I think of baffles, APE balls, dummy-heads, and boundary mounting as all being closely related.. sort of various points along a continuum.  They all alter the pickup pattern primarily, and frequency response secondarily, by placing a surface in close proximity to the microphone.  The biggest variables are how large the surface is how close it is the microphone, and it's orientation.

Besides baffling between the two mics, you can also baffle behind them.  A chair back, front row church pew, or a bag placed on-stage can often attenuate nearby audience behind the recording position just enough to make a big difference.  And you can use both forms of baffling at once.. 

My preferred method for recording jazz and classical in good sounding rooms with attentive audiences from the best seat in the house, relies heavily on baffling.  It's an arrangement of four 4060's boundary-mounted to the faces of a rectangular baffle, such that the microphones face directly Left, Right, Forward and Back.  The baffle is longer in the L/R dimension, so the L/R mic pair is spaced a bit farther apart but baffled less, while the front/back pair are spaced less far apart yet separated by a larger and wider baffle.  That L/R spacing + baffling is intentionally a bit too much for just the L/R pair alone in isolation without the forward-facing center mic, the presence of which fills and anchors the center, while it's wide baffle increases forward-clarity and focus and attenuates pickup of audience and reverberant room sound arriving from behind.  Likewise the rear-facing mic is baffled from too much sound bleeding around from the front, making that channel far more useful than it would otherwise be.  When mixing it, after balancing Left/Right levels, dialing in exactly the right amount of Center content to get a clear and solid image is always super rewarding, and the rear-facing channel gets added to taste to provide a bit more depth and room impression as long as the acoustics and audience allow for that. 

Not the way most folk choose to record, but is a good example of how baffled omnis can work really well in the right situations.
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Re: the Healy Method???
« Reply #64 on: October 15, 2024, 10:19:54 AM »
I want to play with healy + gutbucket's DIY APE spheres but had a bit of trouble reliably affixing them for my purposes.

I think the primary advantage of the spheres is they are essentially the smallest-possible yet still effective baffle.  They aren't as influential as a larger baffle, but are more convenient.  The tricky thing is mounting the mics in them such that the mic-grid is flush with the surface of the ball and not recessed into it, with no significant gap around the mic body.  Otherwise the response can get peaky, similar to how switching between the different length grids changes response by varying the size of the small resonant space around the capsule.

The spheres do change response, bumping up the on-axis presence range a bit.  They might be just the thing for Healy with the pair facing in opposite directions.. likely somewhere between the sound of the naked mics with no baffle verses a full baffle between them.  Open, but with a bit more definition.  Definitely worth a try I think, and their minimal foot print should make it easy and practical to run if you like it.
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