Topic: MT24/96...tries two and three

[Ballistica]

Ok, tries number two and three this week.  Went to Philly for both VH shows (they rocked, definitely check them out).  First night we were late getting into the show (I read they went on at 9...well...they didn't it was 8:30 :/  First show was good but I coudn't get the 1/4 line-in to to work with ethe sp-preamp-11.  Second night started out the same way...had it set with 1/4 linein with preamp and the damn level meters would not move...at all.  I checked to see if it was cabled correctly and it looked fine...just no sound.  I tested everythign the night before to make sure it was OK and all worked great...then, in the show it didn't work at all.  Uggh.  So, I took the mics and plugged the directly into the MT24 and set it to 1/8 input.  Turned down the levels and it worked great.  I just tested it with the 1/4 again and I had to turn on the preamp to high to get a full signal from both mics...if I put it on low only one mic would register (but if I go direct into mic the only thing I see is a -5/6 db on one of the mics (which is to be expected with my mics).  So now the question is do I have something wrong with the pre or the 1/4 cable or is it working correctly that if I go 1/4 line-in I have to actually boost the signal even at a rock concert?

This is what it sounded like going DAP4061->MT24/94 mic.

http://download.yousendit.com/845725513267D9A0

Black Crowes next week...should be much easier to practice without looking around for security.

Did you go into the menu and switch from 1/8 to 1/4? I just picked up a few 8gb Samsung CF cards and I tested it for compatability. I'm wondering why no sound? Of course I was set on the 1/4 TRS jacks and once I switched, I was fine. 

BTW the cards worked great, and they can be had very cheaply on eBay if you are patient. 

Yep, had it at 1/4 on the MT.  Might be the Pre on the fritz (which I also probably caused).  I'll also check the battery.

[hawghunter]

you might have some other issues there. i had some card mics (sp-19? i think). and couldn't get one of the channels to move either. i was confused as hell, sent back to SP and they said they were bad (i guess a short or something). they gave me credit on some other mics.
did you have the phantom power on then? i'm not sure if you can do that with the bat box or pre hooked up. maybe someone else can comment on that.

[manitouman]

I thought someone suggested setting the MT levels to 4dB and then adjusting the gain on the pre? I'm not positive about this but I thought the advice was to adjust at the pre when using a pre? At least that's what's been working for me. Of course I've been running my open taping rig with those settings on the MT. But all my gain levels have been adjusted with the pre. I plan on running the Church-Audio ST-11 cards>9100 pre>1/4" TRS inputs>MT in November, if nothing sooner. Maybe I should check mine out and see that it's working correctly.

Your sample sounds a lot like mine have sounded using omni caps. That's why I bought the CA ST-11 mics with additional caps for that reason. Indoor venues aren't that good for omni caps unless you are REALLY close to the sound source. I'm assuming you taped in a large arena? I've been "fixing" some old recordings with software so they are still worth keeping. All I can say is keep trying, you can't have success without failure. Is the Black Crowes outside or inside venue? Outside your omni's would be great, but inside....I dunno..

[hawghunter]

Church-Audio ST-11 cards>9100 pre>1/4" TRS inputs>MT

I ran that exact rig for Roger Waters in July, sounded very good. I had great seats right behind the board, so that also has something to do with it. 

[Ballistica]

Crowes will be in an indoor place (although not a large one, more like a glorified bar).  Maybe I should get the CA ST-11s for those kind of shows.  VH was in an area.

I thought someone suggested setting the MT levels to 4dB and then adjusting the gain on the pre? I'm not positive about this but I thought the advice was to adjust at the pre when using a pre? At least that's what's been working for me. Of course I've been running my open taping rig with those settings on the MT. But all my gain levels have been adjusted with the pre. I plan on running the Church-Audio ST-11 cards>9100 pre>1/4" TRS inputs>MT in November, if nothing sooner. Maybe I should check mine out and see that it's working correctly.

Your sample sounds a lot like mine have sounded using omni caps. That's why I bought the CA ST-11 mics with additional caps for that reason. Indoor venues aren't that good for omni caps unless you are REALLY close to the sound source. I'm assuming you taped in a large arena? I've been "fixing" some old recordings with software so they are still worth keeping. All I can say is keep trying, you can't have success without failure. Is the Black Crowes outside or inside venue? Outside your omni's would be great, but inside....I dunno..

[manitouman]

For the price and the ability to change the caps, they can't be beat. I can't, by no means, comment on the quality of sound because I haven't used them. I purchased mine based on the information I got from these boards. I think I paid around $300 for the 9100 pre, the mics with omni and card caps. That's not a bad price in my opinion. Most of my money was invested in my open rig, which I am very pleased with might I add.

I've PM'd you some links to some useful information that helped me out. Hope it helps and keep me posted on that Crowes show!

[dactylus]

The Crowes show is open taping isn't it?  If you can get close to the sound source (stack) I think that you would do just fine with the omnis...

 

Crowes will be in an indoor place (although not a large one, more like a glorified bar).  Maybe I should get the CA ST-11s for those kind of shows.  VH was in an area.

I thought someone suggested setting the MT levels to 4dB and then adjusting the gain on the pre? I'm not positive about this but I thought the advice was to adjust at the pre when using a pre? At least that's what's been working for me. Of course I've been running my open taping rig with those settings on the MT. But all my gain levels have been adjusted with the pre. I plan on running the Church-Audio ST-11 cards>9100 pre>1/4" TRS inputs>MT in November, if nothing sooner. Maybe I should check mine out and see that it's working correctly.

Your sample sounds a lot like mine have sounded using omni caps. That's why I bought the CA ST-11 mics with additional caps for that reason. Indoor venues aren't that good for omni caps unless you are REALLY close to the sound source. I'm assuming you taped in a large arena? I've been "fixing" some old recordings with software so they are still worth keeping. All I can say is keep trying, you can't have success without failure. Is the Black Crowes outside or inside venue? Outside your omni's would be great, but inside....I dunno..

[Ballistica]

I hope it's open taping!  But they just moved it to the HoB...and well...

The Crowes show is open taping isn't it?  If you can get close to the sound source (stack) I think that you would do just fine with the omnis...

 

Crowes will be in an indoor place (although not a large one, more like a glorified bar).  Maybe I should get the CA ST-11s for those kind of shows.  VH was in an area.

I thought someone suggested setting the MT levels to 4dB and then adjusting the gain on the pre? I'm not positive about this but I thought the advice was to adjust at the pre when using a pre? At least that's what's been working for me. Of course I've been running my open taping rig with those settings on the MT. But all my gain levels have been adjusted with the pre. I plan on running the Church-Audio ST-11 cards>9100 pre>1/4" TRS inputs>MT in November, if nothing sooner. Maybe I should check mine out and see that it's working correctly.

Your sample sounds a lot like mine have sounded using omni caps. That's why I bought the CA ST-11 mics with additional caps for that reason. Indoor venues aren't that good for omni caps unless you are REALLY close to the sound source. I'm assuming you taped in a large arena? I've been "fixing" some old recordings with software so they are still worth keeping. All I can say is keep trying, you can't have success without failure. Is the Black Crowes outside or inside venue? Outside your omni's would be great, but inside....I dunno..

[dactylus]

Oh - Another member had a horror story about a HoB shutting them down and lying to them about the open taping of the Crowes.  I think that I'd remain low profile, get there early and get close to the stacks...  good luck!!

 

I hope it's open taping!  But they just moved it to the HoB...and well...

The Crowes show is open taping isn't it?  If you can get close to the sound source (stack) I think that you would do just fine with the omnis...

 

Crowes will be in an indoor place (although not a large one, more like a glorified bar).  Maybe I should get the CA ST-11s for those kind of shows.  VH was in an area.

I thought someone suggested setting the MT levels to 4dB and then adjusting the gain on the pre? I'm not positive about this but I thought the advice was to adjust at the pre when using a pre? At least that's what's been working for me. Of course I've been running my open taping rig with those settings on the MT. But all my gain levels have been adjusted with the pre. I plan on running the Church-Audio ST-11 cards>9100 pre>1/4" TRS inputs>MT in November, if nothing sooner. Maybe I should check mine out and see that it's working correctly.

Your sample sounds a lot like mine have sounded using omni caps. That's why I bought the CA ST-11 mics with additional caps for that reason. Indoor venues aren't that good for omni caps unless you are REALLY close to the sound source. I'm assuming you taped in a large arena? I've been "fixing" some old recordings with software so they are still worth keeping. All I can say is keep trying, you can't have success without failure. Is the Black Crowes outside or inside venue? Outside your omni's would be great, but inside....I dunno..