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Gear / Technical Help => Ask The Tapers => Topic started by: bluntforcetrauma on July 11, 2006, 02:31:00 AM
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hello, I was caught taping a show tonight, they escorted me to the back and took my name and address, picture of me,picture of my rig, and said I am never to come back to the LA forum again. oh yeah they erased my flashcard.
1. has anyone ever gotten caught taping?
2. I am a fan club member of this particluar band should I risk taping again at another venue?
3. Help?
4. Deos this mean that I am a marked man for this particular band?
5. Do you think the venue caught me? or was it the bnad crew? The people just told me that i was not to return to the LA forum ever again
6. Now i have many more shows to go for this tour with this particular band--I am a fan club member and someone took down my name--do you think i am a marked man at the next say 6-7 gigs which are in different cities?
thanks for all your help
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How'd they catch you?
+t for your troubles.
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I thought Pearl Jam allowed recording?
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i dont know, maybe because i was standing too still and not moveing around--maybe i stuck out. I got caught about 1 hour into the show. I was not looking at my rig or anything i was just watching the show, but I made eye contact with this one dude and then he turned away and looked back again and i was still looking at him, and he was woriking for LA forum or pearl jam--i dont know and i guess it was the way that i got caught staring at the dude.
help
is my taping life over
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no external mics or flashcards--
just tape recorders allowed
is my pearl jam taping days over?
help
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Situations like this always freak me out. I have never had anything this extreme happen but I wonder how I would react in that situation. I don't see why they would ever need your name and address.
I also find it hard to believe the LA Forum wouldn't gladly take your $60 next time.
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yeah they said LA forum people--I am never to be able to step on the grounds again.
I asked them if i could see a show like in 3 months--they said I AM BANNED FROM THE LA FORUM
now do you think pearl jam management knows?
since they took my name and address, and photos
will that be passed along to pearl jam people, because i am a fan club member and they jsut have to see that i get my tickets thru them and they could jsut find where i sit every show
I AM FREAKIN OUT
I AM SITTING HERE IN LA--A LONG WAY FROM HOME--I AM FROM FLORIDA
AND I HAVE 7 MORE PEARL JAM SHOWS TO ATTEND
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yeah they said LA forum people--I am never to be able to step on the grounds again.
I asked them if i could see a show like in 3 months--they said I AM BANNED FROM THE LA FORUM
now do you think pearl jam management knows?
since they took my name and address, and photos
will that be passed along to pearl jam people, because i am a fan club member and they jsut have to see that i get my tickets thru them and they could jsut find where i sit every show
I AM FREAKIN OUT
I AM SITTING HERE IN LA--A LONG WAY FROM HOME--I AM FROM FLORIDA
AND I HAVE 7 MORE PEARL JAM SHOWS TO ATTEND
Attend the next show without recording. See if anyone is watching/checking you.
Richard
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yeah they said LA forum people--I am never to be able to step on the grounds again.
I asked them if i could see a show like in 3 months--they said I AM BANNED FROM THE LA FORUM
now do you think pearl jam management knows?
since they took my name and address, and photos
will that be passed along to pearl jam people, because i am a fan club member and they jsut have to see that i get my tickets thru them and they could jsut find where i sit every show
I AM FREAKIN OUT
I AM SITTING HERE IN LA--A LONG WAY FROM HOME--I AM FROM FLORIDA
AND I HAVE 7 MORE PEARL JAM SHOWS TO ATTEND
I think the photo and name is more of a scare tatic. Anywhere that Pearl Jam is playing has over 10,000 people in the crowd, I highly doubt if they even got your photo they will be walking the floor to find you. To play it safe, since you have Fan Club tickets and your name find someone to switch seats with you.
For what it is worth I have been caught twice at the Hard Rock (Jul '04 and July '05). Even with the venue being so small I have taped many shows since. Both times I got caught I think I was narked on by someone.
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yeah they said LA forum people--I am never to be able to step on the grounds again.
I asked them if i could see a show like in 3 months--they said I AM BANNED FROM THE LA FORUM
now do you think pearl jam management knows?
since they took my name and address, and photos
will that be passed along to pearl jam people, because i am a fan club member and they jsut have to see that i get my tickets thru them and they could jsut find where i sit every show
I AM FREAKIN OUT
I AM SITTING HERE IN LA--A LONG WAY FROM HOME--I AM FROM FLORIDA
AND I HAVE 7 MORE PEARL JAM SHOWS TO ATTEND
You're probably just fine. Pearl Jam's people don't go around searching the crowd for tapers, I know this as fact. Their crew's rather small, and only in extreme circumstances will they roam outside the soundboard square or in front of the rail/sidestage area. Furthermore, if they said you're banned from the forum (which is kinda funny since they have about, what, 5 shows a year there?), that means they're forum people, not PJ's people. Pearl Jam's people wouldn't give a crap, and if by some crazy chance it were them, and they were actually less than cordial and relaxed, they'd have mentioned something to you along the lines of your fan club membership or looking out for you in future shows on the tour, etc.
Don't let some security guard doing his job at the Forum in LA ruin what you like doing elsewhere in the country.
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yeah they said LA forum people--I am never to be able to step on the grounds again.
I asked them if i could see a show like in 3 months--they said I AM BANNED FROM THE LA FORUM
now do you think pearl jam management knows?
since they took my name and address, and photos
will that be passed along to pearl jam people, because i am a fan club member and they jsut have to see that i get my tickets thru them and they could jsut find where i sit every show
I AM FREAKIN OUT
I AM SITTING HERE IN LA--A LONG WAY FROM HOME--I AM FROM FLORIDA
AND I HAVE 7 MORE PEARL JAM SHOWS TO ATTEND
Attend the next show without recording. See if anyone is watching/checking you.
Richard
I was going to suggest the same thing. Sounds like your "problem" was with Forum security and not the band's. Band security would never say anything about you being banned from the Forum. I'd be kind of surprised to hear that venue and band security "compared notes," so you should be fine. I would go to the next show without taping equipment, however.
As for visiting the Forum again in three months . . . I'm sure they have far bigger security worries than you. What they say and what they enforce are two different things.
Don't worry too much about this. Just write it off as a lesson learned . . . and enjoy your upcoming shows.
:)
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yeah they said LA forum people--I am never to be able to step on the grounds again.
I asked them if i could see a show like in 3 months--they said I AM BANNED FROM THE LA FORUM
now do you think pearl jam management knows?
since they took my name and address, and photos
will that be passed along to pearl jam people, because i am a fan club member and they jsut have to see that i get my tickets thru them and they could jsut find where i sit every show
I AM FREAKIN OUT
I AM SITTING HERE IN LA--A LONG WAY FROM HOME--I AM FROM FLORIDA
AND I HAVE 7 MORE PEARL JAM SHOWS TO ATTEND
Well... Just my .02....
But you are only banned from the LA Forum. Not the other venues. I seriously doubt the Forum is going to keep your picture on a wall and I'd guess you would be safe to go back to any show you want. If nothing else I'm sure it is scare tactics. I'd also guess that even if they took picutres and passed them arround the security at the other venues they will not recognize you. You are one of thousands going in. Even if they do, just hide the EQ or have another fan bring it in for you. The worst they can do is turn you away at the door. It's not like you are going to goto jail or anything. If they turn you away just put the EQ back in the car and come back in through another exit.
PS: I thought PJ was OK with taping. Has this changed? If not it is probably a misinformed venue and you will be OK at your next shows.
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one dude did ask me if I was a pearl jam fan club member --and i said yes.
because he said you can download the boots from the internet since pearl jam sells each show online. I started to go into why i taped, but that went no where, i love to tape shows i love to share them with this community
i will be attending the Santa Barbara show next--but some suggest to go without gear.
also as some mentioned i do have someone with me to get stuff into the venue and that person was not asked there name, address or anything, they just took down my info
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one dude did ask me if I was a pearl jam fan club member --and i said yes.
because he said you can download the boots from the internet since pearl jam sells each show online. I started to go into why i taped, but that went no where, i love to tape shows i love to share them with this community
i will be attending the Santa Barbara show next--but some suggest to go without gear.
also as some mentioned i do have someone with me to get stuff into the venue and that person was not asked there name, address or anything, they just took down my info
Maybe don't mention that there is a "community". Google searches can find anything.
Also... it is ok to not tell the truth sometimes. I know you were no doubt nervous and that nerves can make the truth comes out but you didn't have to say you were a member of the fan club. Hell, you didn't have to answer any of their questions, I don't think. Just repeat "Am I free to leave the building?"
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Don't sweat the photo or the name and address thing. Scare tactics. All about power tripping. The only thing that sucks is they have an idea what a R1 and the DPA4061 look like. You were doing your stealthy best (and with gear that is really hard to see), I am suprised to see they popped you, unless you were trying to read levels or fiddling with something. Just being still, is not enough....that means they were looking at you for while....something drew them to you before they noticed you having a very stiff neck.
Can you tell us exactly what you were doing? Where you were standing, if there were lights on you, the type of hat you were wearing, all little details would help the next set of people avoid getting popped...including yourself.
And always remember, they cannot take your gear away...including your flash card. I would, in the future...keep a shitty 8MB card to give to them when you do the slight of hand popping your real card out. Give them that. and walk away with a recording....
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Don't sweat the photo or the name and address thing. Scare tactics. All about power tripping. The only thing that sucks is they have an idea what a R1 and the DPA4061 look like. You were doing your stealthy best (and with gear that is really hard to see), I am suprised to see they popped you, unless you were trying to read levels or fiddling with something. Just being still, is not enough....that means they were looking at you for while....something drew them to you before they noticed you having a very stiff neck.
Can you tell us exactly what you were doing? Where you were standing, if there were lights on you, the type of hat you were wearing, all little details would help the next set of people avoid getting popped...including yourself.
And always remember, they cannot take your gear away...including your flash card. I would, in the future...keep a shitty 8MB card to give to them when you do the slight of hand popping your real card out. Give them that. and walk away with a recording....
I was wondering many of the same things. 4061s are extremely tiny. Standing still at a concert doesn't necessarily mean you are recording it. Was it level checking? Cables sticking out of your pockets?
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You can go without gear... But if you try to take it in all they can do if they catch you at the gates is send you back to your car to put the stuff away. You have done nothing wrong. It's not like you are holding a crack pipe... Everything you have is legal and the venue has no proof that you were going to use the gear for anything against policy.
Alot of venues try to use scare tactics to get you to stop because they know that they have no real legal leg to stand on.
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I stealthed my DPA 4022 inside my hat.
I really think this is how i got caught.
I am first row off of the floor 10 rows from stage--so i am close.
I was standing not much movement but some--this one guy who was walking through the area looked at me and i looked right at him--then he turned away to walk in the other direction but then turned around again and I was still looking at him-it was like man i made eye contact with this dude for way to long--i got a funny feeling inside--and sure enough minute later i was swarmed.
the thing was i was not checking levels, or fooling around with my rig at all, it is supported in a fanny bag under my shirt--the r-1. They guy walks up to me and says do you haved a recroder under that shirt. I dont know how. I set levels and put it on in the bathroom a couple of minutes before the band going on. I knew the levels fromt he night before--so i jsut set it and forget it. I think it was the double stare--who keep looking at a dude with a headset wehn the band is rockin
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Cant say... Get a roo cap and dont stare. 8)
With my sonic studios DSMs I go through security with my mics attached to my sunglasses hanging around my neck. I'm probably jinxing myself but in over 50 shows I've never had anyone notice.
I'd say don't worry. The venues are not going to talk to each other.... And even if they do and they recognize you at the door there is nothing the can do cause you have not done anything wrong.
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I agree with everyone else. They won't be specifically looking for you, it would be too much hassle for them. Most likely is was to scare you so that you never tape again, but obviously that won't work on us.
I would do what some other suggested and go to the next show without gear and check out what's going on. Then with yuor next show, begin taping again - but try not to stare, lol.
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i just wanted to say thanks to the taping community for the advice and support.
I will try not to stare so much.
Its jsut wierd the last 4 shows I taped which were in the past 5 days i had my r-1 out and adjusting all the time--this time i set it up in the bathroom and set the levels and forget about it and bam 1 hour into the show i get busted. Stunned i guess
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maybe get rid of the fanny pack and make some stealth pants. i don't know how old you are but anyone under 40 with a fanny pack is going to stand out suspiciously. i cut holes in the tops of the front pockets of oversized cargo pants and just run the cables through the pants themselves. it's completely self contained with no wires showing or having buldges where there should be none. just what i do and it's always worked...
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Ill toss my opinion in....
I have only been caught Stealthing once and it was after the set of the artist I wanted to record was done (he was the opener at this show), so I politely told the security personnel that my evening was over and I would be on my way. They wanted to keep me there and ask me all sorts of questions, but I explained to them that I was leaving, and the worst thing they could do to me would be to make me leave, which I was already doing. I submitted to no search of my pockets or anything, they never officially 'caught' me as they could not see the 4061s.
Be polite, be cooperative, but remember that these security guys do not have any right to get personal information from you or photograph you, unless you agree to it under the condition that you can stay for the rest of the show (thus agreeing to the contract that is your ticket). If you bought your seat by credit card, the venue can find out your name and info that way if they so decide, but who cares?
If you really 'need' to stick around for the rest of the gig, then you might want to play ball to some extent. But if youre cool leaving for the night, show them and tell them nothing.... nicely.
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If you really 'need' to stick around for the rest of the gig, then you might want to play ball to some extent. But if youre cool leaving for the night, show them and tell them nothing.... nicely.
That's the advice I was going to give...venue security is hired to enforce rules. They have no legal rights to do anything other than throw you out.
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And remember, keeping you there against your will puts them on shaky ground, legally. It might behoove you to know the local statutes (advice i've seen given in other threads of this nature that i'd take to heart if I stealthed...)
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I think the average concertgoer is oblivious to the location of roving security. If you gave one the staredown you definitely stuck out.
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...+T for your troubles, will this help next time (w/croakie mounts?)?
(http://www.fakecrap.com/images/jokes/groucho_glasses.jpg)
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dude i got popped 5th row center at a dylan show by some tooley who didn't even have a floor ticket.. he ratted on me because he wanted my seat...the venue security tried to take my gear when i demanded he get a local police officer and have him take the gear the heat was off...after the show he came back up to me and was like dude wheres the tape wheres the recorder i told him i did not know what he was taking about and left with him following me still harassing me...when i got to the door around a bunch of cops i politely said loudly dude i am sorry i do not want to buy any pot from you...heat off forever...cops talked to him...got away with a crisp recording of dylan with some interesting banter
+TT for you troubles
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dude i got popped 5th row center at a dylan show by some tooley who didn't even have a floor ticket.. he ratted on me because he wanted my seat...the venue security tried to take my gear when i demanded he get a local police officer and have him take the gear the heat was off...after the show he came back up to me and was like dude wheres the tape wheres the recorder i told him i did not know what he was taking about and left with him following me still harassing me...when i got to the door around a bunch of cops i politely said loudly dude i am sorry i do not want to buy any pot from you...heat off forever...cops talked to him...got away with a crisp recording of dylan with some interesting banter
+TT for you troubles
+ T
that is a great line.
Im laughing really hard. LOL LOL LOL
now, im being weird.
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Although I'm sure this is easier said than done, I'm agreeing with some of the statement above that are along the lines of don't give them anything, not your gear, not your name, not your photograph, nothing. Tell them you want to leave the premises immediately. Tell them they are holding you against your will which is illegal. And tell them to flat out call the cops if they don't let you go. I just can't imagine getting arrested at a PJ show for this, plus the cops wouldn't even know what to write you up for anyway I bet. Just submit to getting thrown out and bail as fast as you can. That all seems like good advice.
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dude i got popped 5th row center at a dylan show by some tooley who didn't even have a floor ticket.. he ratted on me because he wanted my seat...the venue security tried to take my gear when i demanded he get a local police officer and have him take the gear the heat was off...after the show he came back up to me and was like dude wheres the tape wheres the recorder i told him i did not know what he was taking about and left with him following me still harassing me...when i got to the door around a bunch of cops i politely said loudly dude i am sorry i do not want to buy any pot from you...heat off forever...cops talked to him...got away with a crisp recording of dylan with some interesting banter
+TT for you troubles
there should be a tapers hall of fame for such jedi master mind control techniques, and sayings!
when i got to the door around a bunch of cops i politely said loudly dude i am sorry i do not want to buy any pot from you...heat off forever...cops talked to him...got away with a crisp recording of dylan with some interesting banter
Great Idea +T
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did you try to tell them that PJ allows taping? i know they have an odd policy but the fact that they allow it may be enough to get them to stop hassling you. shity situation either way. if you have someone else with you i'd rig them up with the gear for the next show and take a night off to scope out the scene, however I would bet that you are free and clear and that the PJ crew has no clue of what even went on last night.
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you'r from florida, screw the forum. even if you go back, how would they know. i'd go back for sport(without rig)
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...+T for your troubles, will this help next time (w/croakie mounts?)?
(http://www.fakecrap.com/images/jokes/groucho_glasses.jpg)
:lol: :lol:
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hello, I was caught taping a show tonight, they escorted me to the back and took my name and address, picture of me,picture of my rig, and said I am never to come back to the LA forum again. oh yeah they erased my flashcard.
4. Deos this mean that I am a marked man for this particular band?
Two things come to my mind:
- If you want to play safe, change your appearance next time you go to the Forum. Grow a beard, hair coloring, sunglasses. But as it have been said, the guards have to usher thousands of people, they can't be bothered memorizing faces.
- Try to do an Undelete/Unerase of the flashcard once you get home after the gig. It makes sense always bringing two cards for a gig, if they force you to erase your recording mid-gig, in best case scenario you might be able to continue taping later on, and don't risk overwriting the music that still is stored latent on the first card.
+T for better luck next time.
/Jan
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hello, I was caught taping a show tonight, they escorted me to the back and took my name and address, picture of me,picture of my rig, and said I am never to come back to the LA forum again. oh yeah they erased my flashcard.
4. Deos this mean that I am a marked man for this particular band?
Two things come to my mind:
- If you want to play safe, change your appearance next time you go to the Forum. Grow a beard, hair coloring, sunglasses. But as it have been said, the guards have to usher thousands of people, they can't be bothered memorizing faces.
- Try to do an Undelete/Unerase of the flashcard once you get home after the gig. It makes sense always bringing two cards for a gig, if they force you to erase your recording mid-gig, in best case scenario you might be able to continue taping later on, and don't risk overwriting the music that still is stored latent on the first card.
+T for better luck next time.
/Jan
Erasing a flash card actually programs the erased area back to bytes whose values are all 0xFF (all 1's). It's not like erasing a hard drive where they just modify the file allocation table rather than actually erasing the information. In the case of a flash card, the information itself is erased.
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Can they really do this, I mean if he just tried to leave the venue could they really legally stop him. If they touch you that’s assault, right?
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You got caught red handed and did not do the honorable task of taking your own life.....Couldn't find your cyanide capsule ?....Your hari-kari dagger at the cleaners.....And you call your self a taper !!!!!!!!
Just kidding..
Don't sweat it dude.......they threw out your
info as soon as you left.....it's all about scare tactics and control....You pissed them off buy taping....they could not really do anything accept ask you to leave...so they tried to scare the crap out of you....I bet if you walked you to the guys that busted you today they would not even recognize you.......
Go to the other shows and have a great time.....don't worry about it.........You may, however, be on double secret probation .....if this is the case....only Dean Wormer holds the answer...(see link for wav)
Peace,
jk
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It does seem questionable regarding the federal anti-bootleg statute that also covers recording of live performances.
It looks as if laws are in place just not enforced.
See attached link.
http://www.grayzone.com/faqindex.htm
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did you try to tell them that PJ allows taping? i know they have an odd policy but the fact that they allow it may be enough to get them to stop hassling you. shity situation either way. if you have someone else with you i'd rig them up with the gear for the next show and take a night off to scope out the scene, however I would bet that you are free and clear and that the PJ crew has no clue of what even went on last night.
heck, I got flac (and not the flac tapers like) for taping O.A.R. on sunday.
and they allow everything.
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dude i got popped 5th row center at a dylan show by some tooley who didn't even have a floor ticket.. he ratted on me because he wanted my seat...the venue security tried to take my gear when i demanded he get a local police officer and have him take the gear the heat was off...after the show he came back up to me and was like dude wheres the tape wheres the recorder i told him i did not know what he was taking about and left with him following me still harassing me...when i got to the door around a bunch of cops i politely said loudly dude i am sorry i do not want to buy any pot from you...heat off forever...cops talked to him...got away with a crisp recording of dylan with some interesting banter
+TT for you troubles
If you're telling the troof, that's awesome. If you're telling a lie, its a great idea. +T
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did you try to tell them that PJ allows taping? i know they have an odd policy but the fact that they allow it may be enough to get them to stop hassling you. shity situation either way. if you have someone else with you i'd rig them up with the gear for the next show and take a night off to scope out the scene, however I would bet that you are free and clear and that the PJ crew has no clue of what even went on last night.
heck, I got flac (and not the flac tapers like) for taping O.A.R. on sunday.
and they allow everything.
you're about to get a lot more flac for admitting that you actually went to an O.A.R. show too...
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hypothetical - what if, when ushering you out, after catching you in the act, venue crew doesnt allow you to leave..? now they know you were using the gear, and they have you..? just curious, as that kind of sh*t can and does happen...
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You got caught red handed and did not do the honorable task of taking your own life.....Couldn't find your cyanide capsule ?....Your hari-kari dagger at the cleaners.....And you call your self a taper !!!!!!!!
Just kidding..
Don't sweat it dude.......they threw out your
info as soon as you left.....it's all about scare tactics and control....You pissed them off buy taping....they could not really do anything accept ask you to leave...so they tried to scare the crap out of you....I bet if you walked you to the guys that busted you today they would not even recognize you.......
Go to the other shows and have a great time.....don't worry about it.........You may, however, be on double secret probation .....if this is the case....only Dean Wormer holds the answer...(see link for wav)
Peace,
jk
Great wave file....I have that attached to my wifes incoming emails!
I wouldn't let them take my picture.
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...and look at it this way. Even if EVERY SINGLE venue employee had a picture of you in their hand at Santa Barbara, AND they were looking for you, the chances of them pulling you out of a crowd of PJ fans is slim. You'd probably have a better chance getting a hummer from a lesbian.
Seriously, don't worry about it. It certainly is a stressful situation, and I don't envy your having to go through it, but you'll be just fine for the next shows.
TIP OF THE DAY: Don't look like you're miserable when you're stealthing. I can often pick the folks in a crowd just by their drab, bored looking stare. Smile, look stoned, and enjoy your tape!
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TIP OF THE DAY: Don't look like you're miserable when you're stealthing. I can often pick the folks in a crowd just by their drab, bored looking stare. Smile, look stoned, and enjoy your tape!
This is the best advice, ever. If you are not enjoying yourself, then why the hell are you doing it? I never drink before a big stealth job, only a puff or two. Perfect glow, a little rocking back and forth never hurts. I also do the 'stiff neck twist'....the head stays still and the body rotates. Try it at home in front of a mirror, it is easy to do and it saves your neck as well as disguises your true intention which is to keep your head still.
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Next time some security guard starts to stare at you wink and blow him a kiss.
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Next time some security guard starts to stare at you wink and blow him a kiss.
Yeah, ya never know...you might get lucky... :realhappy:
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i just thought since there was LA forum security and LAPD that i would be polite to the police because i dont know the rules. so basically i can just say i want to leave-even to the police and just walk out-saying they cant hold me against my will--
So they cant even take pictures? I have the right to say no?
and leave?
thanks in advance
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i just thought since there was LA forum security and LAPD that i would be polite to the police because i dont know the rules. so basically i can just say i want to leave-even to the police and just walk out-saying they cant hold me against my will--
So they cant even take pictures? I have the right to say no?
and leave?
thanks in advance
They cannot touch your gear...period. They may try to intimidate you, and throw some fancy words and jive at you, but they cannot do it. They DO have the right to boot you, but that's a different story.
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waitva sec, shouldnt you be at the show right now, not poisting on ts about last night.
how did they get you to erase the stuff off the card? did they make YOU do it? or did THEY know how to do it and did it?
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hypothetical - what if, when ushering you out, after catching you in the act, venue crew doesnt allow you to leave..?
Call the cops.
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TIP OF THE DAY: Don't look like you're miserable when you're stealthing. I can often pick the folks in a crowd just by their drab, bored looking stare. Smile, look stoned, and enjoy your tape!
This is the best advice, ever. If you are not enjoying yourself, then why the hell are you doing it? I never drink before a big stealth job, only a puff or two. Perfect glow, a little rocking back and forth never hurts. I also do the 'stiff neck twist'....the head stays still and the body rotates. Try it at home in front of a mirror, it is easy to do and it saves your neck as well as disguises your true intention which is to keep your head still.
Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've been stealthing for years with mics clipped to my glasses, done the head-bopping thing and never had a problem with the end result. I've found that turning my head to the side more than 45 degrees has a definite effect with the omnis, but bopping up and down seems to be okay. As long as you keep the amplitude only a few inches. :)
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TIP OF THE DAY: Don't look like you're miserable when you're stealthing. I can often pick the folks in a crowd just by their drab, bored looking stare. Smile, look stoned, and enjoy your tape!
This is the best advice, ever. If you are not enjoying yourself, then why the hell are you doing it? I never drink before a big stealth job, only a puff or two. Perfect glow, a little rocking back and forth never hurts. I also do the 'stiff neck twist'....the head stays still and the body rotates. Try it at home in front of a mirror, it is easy to do and it saves your neck as well as disguises your true intention which is to keep your head still.
Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've been stealthing for years with mics clipped to my glasses, done the head-bopping thing and never had a problem with the end result. I've found that turning my head to the side more than 45 degrees has a definite effect with the omnis, but bopping up and down seems to be okay. As long as you keep the amplitude only a few inches. :)
Concur
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TIP OF THE DAY: Don't look like you're miserable when you're stealthing. I can often pick the folks in a crowd just by their drab, bored looking stare. Smile, look stoned, and enjoy your tape!
This is the best advice, ever. If you are not enjoying yourself, then why the hell are you doing it? I never drink before a big stealth job, only a puff or two. Perfect glow, a little rocking back and forth never hurts. I also do the 'stiff neck twist'....the head stays still and the body rotates. Try it at home in front of a mirror, it is easy to do and it saves your neck as well as disguises your true intention which is to keep your head still.
Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've been stealthing for years with mics clipped to my glasses, done the head-bopping thing and never had a problem with the end result. I've found that turning my head to the side more than 45 degrees has a definite effect with the omnis, but bopping up and down seems to be okay. As long as you keep the amplitude only a few inches. :)
Concur
disagree... but it's ok. :)
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hey - the dutchman chimes in!!!
i agree with z. 100% - most all movement is audible. sometimes it is not too distracting, sometimes it is barely noticeable, but it almost always is audible, to some degree...
what you wanna do is learn the hippy shake, where the body does its thang, but the head stays still 8)
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if youre tall enough, collar mounted omnis are nice... buddy who is 6'6' does this so he can move his head around during the show.
standing still doesnt really bother me.... im there to watch whats going on on stage anyhow, not look around the place.
puffs pre & during show have been a stealth requirement for me, for many years tho :)
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TIP OF THE DAY: Don't look like you're miserable when you're stealthing. I can often pick the folks in a crowd just by their drab, bored looking stare. Smile, look stoned, and enjoy your tape!
This is the best advice, ever. If you are not enjoying yourself, then why the hell are you doing it? I never drink before a big stealth job, only a puff or two. Perfect glow, a little rocking back and forth never hurts. I also do the 'stiff neck twist'....the head stays still and the body rotates. Try it at home in front of a mirror, it is easy to do and it saves your neck as well as disguises your true intention which is to keep your head still.
Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've been stealthing for years with mics clipped to my glasses, done the head-bopping thing and never had a problem with the end result. I've found that turning my head to the side more than 45 degrees has a definite effect with the omnis, but bopping up and down seems to be okay. As long as you keep the amplitude only a few inches. :)
Concur
disagree... but it's ok. :)
i agree with z. 100% - most all movement is audible. sometimes it is not too distracting, sometimes it is barely noticeable, but it almost always is audible, to some degree...
I wonder if my playback just isn't sufficient...??? My experiece thus far is that vertical head movement is nbd, and horizontal is bad news... strange.
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My thoughts on Pearl Jam's recording policy
Audio Recording
Small, handheld recording devices welcome.
No feed from soundboard.
No large, professional audio equipment.
No boom mics.
No external mics.
So basically you are using the internal mic on an Iriver, etc.
Thats gonna sound like shit, what are you gonna do, hold it over your head the whole show, or stick it in your pocket and get muffled sounds, or leave it on the floor and have somebody step on it maybe.
Anyways, its not even a taping policy, its almost like your forced to buy their LIVE CDS mp3 or flac over the internet.
Monopoly tactics = BS
they basically allow no taping if you read that and your gonna buy their tapes (if you follow those rules)
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If I can at all come to their defense. The live cd's that they offer are as good as it gets. They make Instant Live look like shit. The shows are usually up for download or purchase within 24 hours and never more than a week. The show gets a proper after the fact mixdown for the cd's and they are only $10 compared to IL's $25 price tag.
I also know what the policy says but I have also witnessed rigs there as well as I think it comes down to more of how each venue decides to interpret and/or enforce the policy. The last show I was at a few years back a couple of tapers had run one stand on the back corner of the board without problem.
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hey - the dutchman chimes in!!!
i agree with z. 100% - most all movement is audible. sometimes it is not too distracting, sometimes it is barely noticeable, but it almost always is audible, to some degree...
what you wanna do is learn the hippy shake, where the body does its thang, but the head stays still 8)
:D there it is!
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If I can at all come to their defense. The live cd's that they offer are as good as it gets. They make Instant Live look like shit. The shows are usually up for download or purchase within 24 hours and never more than a week. The show gets a proper after the fact mixdown for the cd's and they are only $10 compared to IL's $25 price tag.
I also know what the policy says but I have also witnessed rigs there as well as I think it comes down to more of how each venue decides to interpret and/or enforce the policy. The last show I was at a few years back a couple of tapers had run one stand on the back corner of the board without problem.
I'm not a huge fan of their live CDs. There is no bass. When I saw them this year, the bass drum was totally kicking my ass all night. On the CD, it is barely present. Although my tape has way too much chatter, it replicates that bass better.
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Sorry to hear about getting nabbed at the show. Back in September (2005) I was busted at Pearl Jam as well. And it happened right about the same time yours did too, an hour in. I was on the floor (row 22) and about ten people away from the aisle. Not sure how they saw me, I never checked my levels and I was moving (head bob and such).
In the end I was able to keep my gear but wiped my recording on the JB3. I missed a few songs while I was interrogated by security, and caught the rest of the encore. The rest of the show was kind of ruined for me but a lesson learned at least. I know I am vulnerable to security and have tried to hide my gear better.
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If you get busted during the show, it's almost always for 1 of 2 reasons: you were seen checking levels, or you were ratted out by an audience member who saw the mics. If your gear is well hidden, those are the 2 reasons you'll be caught. I really don't think anyone gets busted stealthing because they were standing still. I'd say it's more likely an audience member saw your mics & ratted you out. The security guy was looking for you already, & your guilty staring at him led him right to you.
Maybe not, but that seems far more logical to me. Don't sweat it, they won't remember you. If you're concerned, trade back a couple rows.
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oh yeah they erased my flashcard.
- Try to do an Undelete/Unerase of the flashcard once you get home after the gig. It makes sense always bringing two cards for a gig, if they force you to erase your recording mid-gig, in best case scenario you might be able to continue taping later on, and don't risk overwriting the music that still is stored latent on the first card.
Erasing a flash card actually programs the erased area back to bytes whose values are all 0xFF (all 1's). It's not like erasing a hard drive where they just modify the file allocation table rather than actually erasing the information. In the case of a flash card, the information itself is erased.
Hmm, my bad. But this might only be partly true. With my Lexar 2GB CF card (for my Nikon D70) comes a software that claims to "Recover lost or deleted pictures". Maybe erasing a WAV file is a different thing, but somebody with more technical insight can explain this? Deleting pictures on the CF card doesn't reset the byte value to 0xFF, or how does the Lexar software work its magick?!
/Jan
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In order to become writable again, your CF card MUST be programmed to FF's in any area where you will write data. It is possible that files that are smaller than the size of a block will be left intact because there may still be writable area within that block. In that case, it's possible for the file allocation table to be updated to show those files as erased, but by the time your file is larger than the smallest writable block (which for almost certain will be the case for live recording files), you'll actually be erasing the data in order to "erase" the file on your card. Now, if you pull the card out of the programmer before it's done erasing, then the job will not be complete and it will simply resume the next time you plug the card into the card reader because the file allocation table will show that it's supposed to be erased.
So, I can believe that some .jpg files may remain after an erase as long as the block size is larger than your file size and you haven't used up all of the current block, but your wav files will be much larger than a block size. If you erase one of them, there will be loss of data. You might find a small snippet of the file left in the last block that was being written, though.
Now, if you're using a microdrive instead of a CF card, that's another deal. In that case, you don't have to erase memory before it can be used again. It may be the same form factor as a CF card, but a microdrive card contains a hard drive and you don't want to erase the data before rewriting. That would just reduce the lifetime of the hard drive to write FF's before you wrote the data you really want. A true CF card is FLASH memory based and any writable block must be erased to FF's before it can be programmed.
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man i hate reading these kind of threads the day where i have to stealth a big show. not having had to stealth a show in almost 2 years doesn't help either.