Topic: Choice to be made : AT853>pre>iHP-120

[Semayat]

Tks a lot to everyone...Will_S did an excellent explanation with all alternatives.
I want phantom power for those mics to try...then if i am not satisfied i'll move to CA preamp.

and there's not a lot of room to work inside a mini-XLR connector, so it might be better to leave that to someone experienced if you are not.

That's right, and i don't want to blow my mics...taping is an hobby and i am not experienced in electronics at all....

I would not recommend PS-2>iRiver unless you exclusively record really loud material

- I tape exclusively very very loud shows, then PM4>PS2>iHP120 could be good ....I'll try this, I think.
OR, I have to find a mixpre with a raisonnable price.

Tks to everyone, one more time

[jeromejello]

semayat,

I have made many a recording with the at853 > p48 adapter (you need this or you will fry your mics) > sd mp-2 > iriver.  you probably have heard some of my reggae recordings.  great stealth rig, great sound, bomb proof, takes a good spl assault without distortion.

get your at 853 terminated to a mini xlr and pick up the at8553 adapters and then grab a sd mixpre/mp-2 or shure fp24 and you will be very happy with your results.

[Semayat]

semayat,

I have made many a recording with the at853 > p48 adapter (you need this or you will fry your mics) > sd mp-2 > iriver.  you probably have heard some of my reggae recordings.  great stealth rig, great sound, bomb proof, takes a good spl assault without distortion.

get your at 853 terminated to a mini xlr and pick up the at8553 adapters and then grab a sd mixpre/mp-2 or shure fp24 and you will be very happy with your results.

Yes!!

How are you?

You're the reason i want that rig actually
Your recordings are very great!!!

[Sunday Driver]

I would not recommend PS-2>iRiver unless you exclusively record really loud material.  It will work, but you will have to add a lot of gain with the iRiver's built-in preamp if recording quieter material.

Sorry, but that is actually incorrect. The iRiver H120's combined  mic/line input has a very low impedance making it more "sensitive". Not much gain needs to be added even in venues with low sound pressure levels. In the case of the Edirol R-09HR or R-09, it works as you stated since those units have true mic and line inputs.

[Church-Audio]

I would not recommend PS-2>iRiver unless you exclusively record really loud material.  It will work, but you will have to add a lot of gain with the iRiver's built-in preamp if recording quieter material.

Sorry, but that is actually incorrect. The iRiver H120's combined  mic/line input has a very low impedance making it more "sensitive". Not much gain needs to be added even in venues with low sound pressure levels. In the case of the Edirol R-09HR or R-09, it works as you stated since those units have true mic and line inputs.

I don't think you can generalize. The amount of gain needed relies on the acoustic sound pressure in the venue and the sensitivity of the mics in question. These two factors determine the amount of gain needed to get a good recording I personally found with my h120 that the internal preamp had a fair amount of self noise in comparison to the R09HR.

Chris

[Sunday Driver]

Well, I'm certainly not comparing the H120 to the R-09HR. That's like comparing a Kia to a BMW.  But I had to use it once because my SD card corrupted on me right before a show, and I noticed a big difference in input sensitivity between the iRiver and line input on the R-09HR / R-09. Every show I go to is loud or at least has loud parts to it.

[Will_S]

Well, I'm certainly not comparing the H120 to the R-09HR. That's like comparing a Kia to a BMW.  But I had to use it once because my SD card corrupted on me right before a show, and I noticed a big difference in input sensitivity between the iRiver and line input on the R-09HR / R-09. Every show I go to is loud or at least has loud parts to it.

Well yeah, but the mic input on the R09 is pretty comparable, sensitivitywise, to the iRiver's input (mic in, low-sens), and adds less noise.  I've run both.  Loud rock shows you can run the iRiver within a gain range I find acceptable, anything quieter and you can clearly hear the noise.  It still does an amazing job considering it's a cheap MP3 player that wasn't really designed for recording in the first place.

[sunjan]

- I tape exclusively very very loud shows, then PM4>PS2>iHP120 could be good ....I'll try this, I think.
OR, I have to find a mixpre with a raisonnable price.

Hey Semayat,

In your initial post one year ago, you ruled out the UA5, on the basis that it was too large, and you wanted something more low profile. But isn't the mixpre or MP2 almost as big/heavy as the UA5?

So the quest here is to find a phantom/pre combo that is smaller than that?! What about fivefish's TS-2, I guess that has an even bigger footprint?

[Semayat]

I'll go with a PS2 instead of a SD MP2 
I'll consider moving to a mixpre later in 2009 & only if i am not satisfied with the PS2.
But, tks for your interest anyway and the tips.

[jeromejello]

I'll go with a PS2 instead of a SD MP2 
I'll consider moving to a mixpre later in 2009 & only if i am not satisfied with the PS2.
But, tks for your interest anyway and the tips.

i used the ps2 for a while before i found a sd mp2.  i would suggest picking up a pair of line transformers (Hosa Mit-176) it will provide some cheap, CLEAN, gain for you.

good luck!

[Semayat]

Hi,

What are the phantom adapters sp provides when they do the 79$ mod?
I am thinking to send my mics but they do reply to my questions :-(

[nameloc01]

The are adaptors that transition the mini xlrs on the mics to the full size xlrs on the power supply, they also step down the voltage so the 48vs don't fry your mics. The "mod" SP sells is just putting the mini xlrs (back) on and throwing in a pair of the adaptors.

[Semayat]

The are adaptors that transition the mini xlrs on the mics to the full size xlrs on the power supply, they also step down the voltage so the 48vs don't fry your mics. The "mod" SP sells is just putting the mini xlrs (back) on and throwing in a pair of the adaptors.

Yes, yes...I wanted to know what was the brand of these adaptors...these are Nadys (I've had an email from Chris)

[nameloc01]

Yup,Nady cbm40s.

[Semayat]

Yup,Nady cbm40s.

Tks anyway, for your answer to my previous question