Topic: stage recording

[georgeh]

hey now
there is a bar down here in fl that forces you to record from the side of the room, or if the band will allow it from the stage. Rather then try and pull a recording from the side, and i mean the side by the wall, not off center, i think i'd like to try from the stage.
My options for mics are mg20 or a large diaphram card, i am guessing stick with the gefells.
mic config? NOS or din, i was thinking. and how high? or should i try and split the mics?  Basically jam bands will be the genre.

[JasonSobel]

I run my gefells on-stage all the time.  usually ORTF or DIN with great results.  what "large diaphram card" do you have access to?  the gefells will work great, but that isn't to say other mics won't sound good as well.

for height, I usually run at 3 or 4 feet.
Of course, as noted in plenty of other threads and discussions, vocals will be quiet when recording from the stage.  so hopefully the bands you'll be recording are instrumental.

[georgeh]

thanks, lost of vocals was a concideration. the large diaphram are EH-C2, i may want to run side by side if i had another pre, but seeing as i don't, the gefells are the safer bet probably. i also imagine if the band is using monitors, vs ear pieces, you'd get more voices, basically off the monitors.
first run will probably be tim reynolds, although i may run for a local bluegrass band, and should to hear how it comes out.

[datbrad]

George, I just recorded Existor on NYE on-stage. I ran a 90 degree XY from the stage lip, with a floor wedge monitor in close proximity to capture the vocals. They are still weaker in gain compared to the instruments, but they are audible.

[Chomps]

I have similar questions and was going to make a thread.

I plan on stage taping a solo acoustic performance on Friday.

I will be running the new busman mics. I do not plan to split the mics. I plan to run on a onstage stand.

What height should I run them at and also what caps should I use?
I have hpyers card wide card and omni.


Keith

[dennisrtyler]

I have similar questions and was going to make a thread.

I plan on stage taping a solo acoustic performance on Friday.

I will be running the new busman mics. I do not plan to split the mics. I plan to run on a onstage stand.

What height should I run them at and also what caps should I use?
I have hpyers card wide card and omni.


Keith

wide card NOS

[georgeh]

looks like i'll try to run for some local bands with a combo of setups. i might try the large diaphram to capture more vocals, if that theory holds up.
Brad, didn't think you ever ran xy, mind explaining why you did.

[kskreider]

Like Brad I always ran XY90 on-stage.  I recently began toying some with ORTF to get an idea of the imaging.  I bet $1 that you get different results with different acts.  Just think about acoustic bluegrass VS jamband, for example.  &ust get out and experiment, keep good notes on what your ears prefer, and most important: HAVE FUN!

[Chomps]

I have similar questions and was going to make a thread.

I plan on stage taping a solo acoustic performance on Friday.

I will be running the new busman mics. I do not plan to split the mics. I plan to run on a onstage stand.

What height should I run them at and also what caps should I use?
I have hpyers card wide card and omni.


Keith

wide card NOS

now to sound like a total NOOB...can someone share how to set up in NOS or a picture that shows it. I have never run NOS before.



Keith

[georgeh]

I have similar questions and was going to make a thread.

I plan on stage taping a solo acoustic performance on Friday.

I will be running the new busman mics. I do not plan to split the mics. I plan to run on a onstage stand.

What height should I run them at and also what caps should I use?
I have hpyers card wide card and omni.


Keith

wide card NOS

now to sound like a total NOOB...can someone share how to set up in NOS or a picture that shows it. I have never run NOS before.



Keith

here is the link keith to diagrams of various configs
http://www.taperssection.com/reference/pdf/MicConfigTemplate.pdf

[Mattyb123]

FYI......my uncle taped Steve Kimock on-stage in XY for a decade before changing over to ORTF.......must be something to it!

[Tim]

I have similar questions and was going to make a thread.

I plan on stage taping a solo acoustic performance on Friday.

I will be running the new busman mics. I do not plan to split the mics. I plan to run on a onstage stand.

What height should I run them at and also what caps should I use?
I have hpyers card wide card and omni.


Keith

wide card NOS

I would strongly disagree with this

it's a solo acoustic performance, not a band. Think about the sound source - it will be tight and focused and directly in front of the mics. Running a wide pattern will exaggerate the sound-stage to an unnatural degree.

run cards x/y at about 100*

[Brian Skalinder]

I plan on stage taping a solo acoustic performance on Friday.

I will be running the new busman mics. I do not plan to split the mics. I plan to run on a onstage stand.

What height should I run them at and also what caps should I use?
I have hpyers card wide card and omni.

I don't think we know enough to give advice, yet.  What instrument?  Singing, too?  Amplified or unamplified acoustic?  If amplified, on-stage monitors or in-ear?  Will there be an on-stage amp?

[datbrad]

looks like i'll try to run for some local bands with a combo of setups. i might try the large diaphram to capture more vocals, if that theory holds up.
Brad, didn't think you ever ran xy, mind explaining why you did.

Correct, I never run XY in normal taping situations because I like the slight phase effect with DINa and ORTF and don't like the heavy centering of the image with XY from a distance. However, with an on-stage of a band, you are recording the raw instruments and backline amps along with a drum kit. There will be wide separation and localization of the positions of everything on stage simply due to the close setup of the mic rig. For this application, I have found that pure coincidence XY with the capsules completely in phase gets the best result.

[boojum]

There is no cut and dry or "one size fits all" answer.  The data by Williams explains what determines angles and distances between microphones.  It will get you within one or two moves from a perfect placement.  If you have no choice but put up the mics and tape, this will hand you the best chance of getting it good the first time.

http://www.rycote.com/assets/documents/technical_files/The%20Stereophonic%20Zoom.pdf