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Gear / Technical Help => Battery Boxes, Preamps, Mixers, ADCs, and Processors => Topic started by: TNJazz on February 10, 2009, 11:44:01 PM
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OK, here's a little comp I ran last night at a local show.
Mics were Nevaton MK49
Stand was about 6 feet from the stage, dead center. Lines were split directly out of the mics.
One set went to the V3, which then hit the Oade CM R44 at 24/44.1 via S/PDIF.
The other set went to the AETA PSP3, which then went line in to the Oade CM R44 at 24/44.1
Both files were normalized and then dithered with MBIT+. No other processing was done.
I also included a second source: Nevaton MC48 (stereo mic) into an Apogee Mini Me at 16/44.1
Can you spot the PSP3?
Just curious...
http://www.bigpurpledog.com/audio/Nevaton_comp.zip
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Stand was about 6 feet from the stage, dead center. Lines were split directly out of the mics.
How did you "split" the signal? Transformers?
Richard
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Stand was about 6 feet from the stage, dead center. Lines were split directly out of the mics.
How did you "split" the signal? Transformers?
Richard
it looks like he just had a set of pigtails out of the mics into a couple of cables.
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Stand was about 6 feet from the stage, dead center. Lines were split directly out of the mics.
How did you "split" the signal? Transformers?
Richard
it looks like he just had a set of pigtails out of the mics into a couple of cables.
Correct. I wanted no additional coloration of the sound (from a transformer) so I did a simple parallel split.
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Can you spot the PSP3?
Just curious...
comp1: V3
comp2: PSP3
comp3: Mini-Me
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Can you spot the PSP3?
Just curious...
comp1: V3
comp2: PSP3
comp3: Mini-Me
I think its tha same...
1 V3
2 PSP3
3 MMe
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Can you spot the PSP3?
Just curious...
comp1: V3
comp2: PSP3
comp3: Mini-Me
I think its tha same...
1 V3
2 PSP3
3 MMe
#1) sounded natural, but a little thin/hollow to me. Didn't seem to have the full soundstage like #2. I liked it overall, and would be happy.
#2) this was my favorite. great imaging/soundstage. very pleasant overall, felt it was the most detailed and i also felt that it most represented (probably - since i wasn't there) the actual room
#3) a def presence boost, and a little harsh. decent image, but not near as natural sounding as the previous two.
i'm gonna switch the top two...i thought #2 was a little fuller
1 PSP3
2 V3
3 MMe
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v3
psp3
mme
I like the mme sample
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Stand was about 6 feet from the stage, dead center. Lines were split directly out of the mics.
How did you "split" the signal? Transformers?
Richard
it looks like he just had a set of pigtails out of the mics into a couple of cables.
Correct. I wanted no additional coloration of the sound (from a transformer) so I did a simple parallel split.
I assume you turned phantom on for one unit only, right? That should work. I might expect funny stuff if there was more than one phantom power source...
Richard
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Stand was about 6 feet from the stage, dead center. Lines were split directly out of the mics.
How did you "split" the signal? Transformers?
Richard
it looks like he just had a set of pigtails out of the mics into a couple of cables.
Correct. I wanted no additional coloration of the sound (from a transformer) so I did a simple parallel split.
I assume you turned phantom on for one unit only, right? That should work. I might expect funny stuff if there was more than one phantom power source...
Richard
yes, phantom provided by the v3. so are you going to play "spot the psp3" or not Richard?
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My guess is
comp1: V3
comp2: PSP3
comp3: Mini-Me
I think Comp 1 has the best sound stage and detail.
Comp 2 has a nice warm feel to it, easy on the ears.
I really like the tonal balance of comp 3, but it sounds kind of narrow, like the mics could have used a little more angle between them.
So in order of preference 2,1,3
Open up the sound stage of sample three a little and that would have been my favorite.
Thanks for the comp....
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My guess is
comp1: V3
comp2: PSP3
comp3: Mini-Me
I think Comp 1 has the best sound stage and detail.
Comp 2 has a nice warm feel to it, easy on the ears.
I really like the tonal balance of comp 3, but it sounds kind of narrow, like the mics could have used a little more angle between them.
So in order of preference 2,1,3
Open up the sound stage of sample three a little and that would have been my favorite.
Thanks for the comp....
Thanks for the comp!
I listened at the pc at work over cheapish headphones (AKG K27i), so this probably doesn't mean much, but I'd guess:
comp1 - PSP3
comp2 - V3
comp3 - MME
I found 1 & 2 to be very close, couldn't distinguish too much difference over my cheap cans. Perhaps just a very slight touch harsher in the highs on comp1 and a more even tone for 2. I didn't care for comp3 much in comparison, narrow and bit congested as JD notes, but for me it just sounded harsher.
I slightly prefer 2 over 1 and would guess its the V3, but I realize I really should listen over some decent playback first.
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well everyone seems to know which one is the Apogee...
I'll leave this open a bit longer and I'll post the results later this evening.
My purpose in this was to show how close the V3 and the PSP3 really are. I will admit I was very surprised at the results. Almost makes me want to ditch the V3...
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My guess is
comp1: V3
comp2: PSP3
comp3: Mini-Me
I think Comp 1 has the best sound stage and detail.
Comp 2 has a nice warm feel to it, easy on the ears.
I really like the tonal balance of comp 3, but it sounds kind of narrow, like the mics could have used a little more angle between them.
So in order of preference 2,1,3
Open up the sound stage of sample three a little and that would have been my favorite.
Thanks for the comp....
Same, except I like 1, 2, then 3.
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Here are the sources, ready? (drumroll please...)
#3 is the Apogee. Pretty obvious, wasn't it? Everybody probably figured it out when Jon posted that he liked it... ::)
I was shocked at how close #2 and #1 were sonically. I was even more surprised at how many people actually were unable to "spot the PSP3" ! Hopefully you guys do better at "spot the loony"... ;D
#2 is....the V3.
Sample #1 is the AETA PSP-3.
How about that? I gotta admit, I was really surprised at how close it sounded to the V3.
So only BJ and Todd R got it right, and I'm suspicious of BJ's answers and timing since I gave him the key. Not sure I can trust him...
So Todd R, I have to consider you the only "winner". And guess what? You've won the right to sell me your PSP-2! Congratulations! >:D ;D
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Thanks Dirk! that was fun...and we didn't have to wait 3 weeks, and endless discussion, to get an answer.
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I'm surprised at the difference in these...
I'd say I prefer the Apogee sound. The mids (piano, etc) seem nicer. More "upfront" in the mix. Is this possible? That is just a first impression, though.
The sound is very nice overall. Though I'm getting into more transparent (omni) sounds lately.
Richard
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I'd say I prefer the Apogee sound. The mids (piano, etc) seem nicer. More "upfront" in the mix. Is this possible?
Sure. I actually like all three sources about the same, but all for very different reasons. I don't think it's bad at all, and I would have been more than happy to go home with any of the 3 sources.
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That was my dead give away, the upfront, in your face tonality.
Me likey :drool:
The v3 and psp3 sounded very similar, however, do I dare say I liked #2 better than #1 (did I really just admit I like a grace sample? :scared: )
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That was my dead give away, the upfront, in your face tonality.
Me likey :drool:
The v3 and psp3 sounded very similar, however, do I dare say I liked #2 better than #1 (did I really just admit I like a grace sample? :scared: )
I'd be interested to know how much of the "upfront" sound is due to the ADC and how much due to the preamp.
This is different than I expected. I thought most (modern) gear would be pretty similar.
Richard
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The v3 and psp3 sounded very similar, however, do I dare say I liked #2 better than #1 (did I really just admit I like a grace sample? :scared: )
I guessed wrong the V3/PSP3 clips as well. I was absolutely certain, too, and started to think to myself, "it's time to start looking for a PSP3".
Glad I guessed wrong.
Thanks for putting this together, Dirk.
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Out of curiousity, wonder how they'd compare with differing mics? Obviously diff mics present their own distinct qualities that would intermingle differently, I assume?