Topic: DIN vs XY

[Brian Skalinder]

i searched and didnt find it...tho i can search more/harder? if you find it..will you send the link plz..ill do the same

http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=32119.0

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

and this one:

http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=32379.0

[BJ]

NERDZ  ...i have been searching...for that and the woman troll post with the pic that got purged...man i suck at searching

[ChrisV]

Yeah, I have been in the process of building some of those too with hopes of using them for both minidiv and audio in some situations.   A couple of 3/8" ones and one 1/4" one.   

Still trying to figure out how exactly I am gonna rig it up for audio...need to get it a little bit of space away from the pole somehow and upright ideally(90 degree).

[Tony B]

might consider taping your stand to the pole DFC, could probably run DIN from there and maybe pull up a chair.

I second this option. Team Duct tape is a definite dark horse 'round these parts. I know that Maker's Marc has a good picture of his ghetto duct tape job at a venue here in Minneapolis. ORTF from that spot would be pretty good, I think.

I dunno, though. If I'd been faced with the situation you so aptly described, I might have just run XY in front of one of the stacks and said screw the imaging. At least you can listen to the show afterward.

Actually, I quite like a few of the stack tapes I've made in bars.

[stlram]

When recording on stage XY is really the only way to go otherwise by running ORTF or DIN you get a hole in the middle and the infamous ping-pong affect when instruments or vocal wander left to right.

Otherwise, off stage you can take a pick of what ever confiqurations floats your boat, but my lord don't ever use DIN on stage and I would only use ORTF on stage when recording a deep stage full of instrument like an orchestra. And, in those cases I would blend a split omni in with the ORTF.

I really can't come up with any other taper positioning options other than the ones I have already stated. However, I'm not sure why you would have to stand infront on the stage and your mics if you ran on stage. When I do so, I bring enough cable to run my system off to the sides, where I pull up a chair and relax. 

Some have suggested that you position your mics right in front of the stacks and record them. By doing so you are basically recording the signal coming from the board and being played back through a PA. In other words, now you have a recording of a soundbaord coming through compromised speakers. Sure it will eleminate the crowd but it introduces a series of other issues that don't tickle my ear.

If you decide to record back by the board, which you seem to favor for comfort reasons, you will never be able to overcome the problems you have experienced so far. Alway remember the golden rules, "you can't polish a turd" and "location, location, location"! By remembering these two simple concepts it will direct you in the right direction to get the best possible recording.

In closing I will leave you with one last saying regarding compromising your options, "If you like the rain don't complain about the mud"! In other words, if comfort is the primary factor directing your taping options then accept the sonic hand you have dealt yourself.

Enjoy and keep us updated as to your outcome.

Ray

[goose]

To attach mics to that pole, you could also use an ultrapod (http://www.pedcopods.com/up2.htm).  I have one, but have not had the chance to use it in the field.  The ultrapod's legs collapse straight and it has an attached velcro strap to attach to poles and has an adjustable mounting point to attach your stereo bar.  Works well for me, at home at least!  Just another possible option.

[JAH]

might consider taping your stand to the pole DFC, could probably run DIN from there and maybe pull up a chair.

I second this option. Team Duct tape is a definite dark horse 'round these parts. I know that Maker's Marc has a good picture of his ghetto duct tape job at a venue here in Minneapolis. ORTF from that spot would be pretty good, I think.

I dunno, though. If I'd been faced with the situation you so aptly described, I might have just run XY in front of one of the stacks and said screw the imaging. At least you can listen to the show afterward.

Actually, I quite like a few of the stack tapes I've made in bars.

Please don't use DUCT (not tring to be contrary  ), I (and those trying the same spot) have been denied taping cause of past experience of others using Duct Tape.  I finally said I had velcro and they OK'd it  ....If you must use tape, use Gaffers...it holds like duct but comes off and doesn't leave a gooey tape residue, good stuff (I know sometimes there is nothing that will do but Duct)....Personally I bought some long velcro srtips for big poles and use it w/ a tabletop tri pod, works just fine.

I know this is a late post but I don't read 24/7...got the day off and listening to a Cassette that I made in 93...rfk.  trying out a "new system...found a 120W ROTEL rcvr and some Cerwin Vega D3's.....Like my 9se mkII Paradigms better nmore lf and smoother in the hf...still hear some good old cass. hiss...not sure if its the play deck (POS) or the rcvr...

When I Paint My Masterpiece
jah

[Crumbo]

sorry for the hijack

where can you find gaffers tape?

thanks

[caymanreview]

ebay has gaffers tape for decent prices i think. i am in a real rural place so i cant buy it anywhere else

[Crumbo]

ebay has gaffers tape for decent prices i think. i am in a real rural place so i cant buy it anywhere else

thanks

I've tried at home depot and ace hardware and they give me this look 

[Brian Skalinder]

I've tried at home depot and ace hardware and they give me this look

Your local musician's store oughta carry it.

[Crumbo]

I've tried at home depot and ace hardware and they give me this look

Your local musician's store oughta carry it.

ah....good call

thanks 

[eric.B]

Re: DIN vs XY
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2005, 04:48:20 PM »   

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Quote from: razorback on January 10, 2005, 04:17:04 PM
Quote from: Bean on January 10, 2005, 04:10:37 PM
hehe, xy kills the image IMO, try and run DIn or somewhere inbetween XY/DIN


agreed..the XY pull suxd too, it did clean it up a little(hear the instruments), but lost everything else...

i did run din first...and it had its faults too...


I think we as tapers (myself included) sometimes get too hung up on following exact positions like DIN, X-Y, yadda yadda yadda, where sometimes I feel they should be used more as a guideline.  Myself, if I am in a shitty sounding club I run hypers pointed at the outer edges of the stacks with a modicum (10-15cm) of separation.  I have received good results with that technique.  Sometimes you have to give up a little image for the sake of actually making a listenable tape.

good advice!