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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: su6oxone on July 29, 2008, 11:33:31 AM
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So I found this walk-through metal detector at work (Garrett Pinpoint Detection PD6500i) and naturally decided to test some of my taping gear in it. 8) Here are the results:
Positive (set off alarm):
Edirol R-09
CA-9100
Neumann km184 mics
XLR cables (Neutrik connectors)
Negative (no alarm):
AT853 mics
1/8" miniplug cable (male to male)
I forgot to bring my tiny Sound Pro battery box (nearly all plastic, tiny). My keys and metal watch set it off too, not surprisingly. I wonder if any portable recorder can make it through a metal detector if even the ultra-plastic R-09 can't avoid setting it off.
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So I found this walk-through metal detector at work (Garrett Pinpoint Detection PD6500i) and naturally decided to test some of my taping gear in it. 8) Here are the results:
Positive (set off alarm):
Edirol R-09
CA-9100
Neumann km184 mics
XLR cables (Neutrik connectors)
Negative (no alarm):
AT853 mics
1/8" miniplug cable (male to male)
I forgot to bring my tiny Sound Pro battery box (nearly all plastic, tiny). My keys and metal watch set it off too, not surprisingly. I wonder if any portable recorder can make it through a metal detector if even the ultra-plastic R-09 can't avoid setting it off.
Well I imagine when concert venues start using actual metal decors, we will have to start going in nude or at least in our boxers since almost anything will set them off. We should try just telling people its an mp3 player.
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It also depends on the sensitivity setting of the detector. I have gone through detectors before with an AD20 and nothing. I also went through a detector last fall with an iRiver h120, 9100, and AT853s with no alarm.
Also, a good defense starts with a good offense, always wear a metal belt buckle.
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just carry in a 45. security will be so busy with the gun they won't even notice the taping gear...
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If your keys and watch set it off, that metal detector was probably set really high. I'm thinking that if they use a walk-through metal detector at a concert venue they're gonna have it set low enough that cell phones, watches, and keys won't set it off, and if it's that low the R-09 and CA-9100 should be fine (I'm not sure about the mics or cables).
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I bust right through with the R-09 and the 9100. If it was set too sensitive the slightest thing would set it off and no one would get into the concert.
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I could not get 4022s, sonosax, interconnect and d100 through the walk-through detector at Cobo Arena. And putting them in the bin with my wallet and keys for the visual inspection wasn't an option.
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It also depends on the sensitivity setting of the detector. I have gone through detectors before with an AD20 and nothing. I also went through a detector last fall with an iRiver h120, 9100, and AT853s with no alarm.
Also, a good defense starts with a good offense, always wear a metal belt buckle.
That's a good point. Sensitivity was probably pretty high as I have read that the R-09 and 9100 don't set off too many detectors. There is a meter actually, with maybe 10 bars or so that range from green on the left end to red on the right end that evidently indicates how much the detector is being "triggered." The AT853s got a few green bars and the gear that tripped the detector got almost all red bars.
It would be nice though if there was a set of gear that you could easily and reliably sneak past a pretty sensitive metal detector.
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Just went through the detectors at the MGM Grand in Vegas with an R-09. battery box, and DSM-6s without a problem. It all depends on the sensitivity they are set at. A few months back the same gear did get a reaction from a wand, but was let through because I had a metal belt buckle.
If you ever have trouble with these detectors, just tell security you have your junk pierced. It's not like they're going to check.
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If you ever have trouble with these detectors, just tell security you have your junk pierced. It's not like they're going to check.
I wonder how long it is before that line becomes a dead give-away for the would-be-taper. 8)
But you're right, they probably won't check.
+T for getting your gear past the detector!
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Ahh, the benefits of being paralyzed! Few and far between but definately a plus in getting gear in. I just strap my gear to my wheelchair's battery compartment...in like Flynn! Only draw backs are when the only accesable seating is far from the sweet spot.
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Ahh, the benefits of being paralyzed! Few and far between but definately a plus in getting gear in. I just strap my gear to my wheelchair's battery compartment...in like Flynn! Only draw backs are when the only accesable seating is far from the sweet spot.
I'd rather you be up and walking like the rest of us, but that is pretty damn cool to get gear into a show.
T
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Not good to hear that about Edirol R09... luckily only few venues here have the metal detectors and the metal belt excuse has always worked so far.
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If you ever have trouble with these detectors, just tell security you have your junk pierced. It's not like they're going to check.
I wonder how long it is before that line becomes a dead give-away for the would-be-taper. 8)
But you're right, they probably won't check.
+T for getting your gear past the detector!
Long time.
All Good had 18000 people in attendance, at most 15 mic stands were flying...and they're totally open taper friendly. Similar ratios at most show, I'd imagine. You feel conspicuous because you've got your gear stashed, but when only 1 out of every 100 at most belt buckles has taping gear stashed behind it, you still have a pretty good chance of getting stuff through.
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The R-09 surprises me. A while ago I had the R-09 in my cargo pants side pocket and forgot it was there at the airport. Went though security undetected.
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Knock on wood!
but i have gone thru metal detectors and wands with
DPA 4022
sonosax
denecke ps2
interconnects
edirol r-09 ( 2)
DPA 4061
mma6000 Pre amp
batteries already in devices also
so far so good
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batteries already in devices also
What type of batteries? NiMH or alkalines? Those 9V NiMH seem to be encased in plastic. Some 9V Alkalines/Lithiums are encased in metal. The Duralife Li 9V come in two flavors, plastic or metal encasing. More concerned about the Sax than anything else as it is my goto incoginito unit.
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batteries already in devices also
What type of batteries? NiMH or alkalines? Those 9V NiMH seem to be encased in plastic. Some 9V Alkalines/Lithiums are encased in metal. The Duralife Li 9V come in two flavors, plastic or metal encasing. More concerned about the Sax than anything else as it is my goto incoginito unit.
(2)9 v alkaline for the sonosax
NIMH AA for the edirol
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Knock on wood!
That's something that won't set off the metal detectors!
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I have a titanium steel hip which will set off any metal detector. Once I tell them it's my hip, they never bother me, except for airports.
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I have a titanium steel hip which will set off any metal detector. Once I tell them it's my hip, they never bother me, except for airports.
Bionic man?
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FWIW, the following beeped a walk-thru, and the hand wand re-check never beeped:
R09
2 AA
2 SD cards
Schoeps sctive cable w/2 MK4 caps
Schoeps VMS02ib
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FWIW, the following beeped a walk-thru, and the hand wand re-check never beeped:
R09
2 AA
2 SD cards
Schoeps sctive cable w/2 MK4 caps
Schoeps VMS02ib
Collectively? If so, it doesn't suprise me.....the vms is built like a Howitzer. With right amount of 'stuff' inside, it could easily scatter the parts of a half dozen people around a room.
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yeep, thats what it takes to run a schoeps rig stealth LOL
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FWIW, the following beeped a walk-thru, and the hand wand re-check never beeped:
R09
2 AA
2 SD cards
Schoeps sctive cable w/2 MK4 caps
Schoeps VMS02ib
it was prob your brass balls that set it off
god knows thats what it would take for me to take all that thru a walkthru detector
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it was prob your brass balls that set it off
god knows thats what it would take for me to take all that thru a walkthru detector
I was not driving 4 hours to a show to not get in.... and you only live once, why not at least give it a try.
1/2 the time security does not give a shit, so you have nothing to loose. To them it is job and they get nothing if the show gets taped and they get nothing if you get caught at the gate... so why try hard for $6-7 an hour.
1/2 of stealthing it attitude and 1/2 is balls, so go for it and make it happen
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it was prob your brass balls that set it off
god knows thats what it would take for me to take all that thru a walkthru detector
I was not driving 4 hours to a show to not get in.... and you only live once, why not at least give it a try.
1/2 the time security does not give a shit, so you have nothing to loose. To them it is job and they get nothing if the show gets taped and they get nothing if you get caught at the gate... so why try hard for $6-7 an hour.
1/2 of stealthing it attitude and 1/2 is balls, so go for it and make it happen
Exactly, go big or go home.
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not this whole site is public, most of it requires a login
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:banging head:
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Two recent experiences.
Raconteurs: Liverpool. Watched the main entrance to the venue and there were no searches happening so in I went only to be faced with a lady and gent searching everybody. DAMM!!! So they found the Edrol immediately. Felt honesty was my best option and said it was a recorder and I would take it back to the car. The lady then took it to the manager and when she came back she allowed me in with the statement “well it’s going to be so loud up there it`s going to sound crap anyway so go on” A case of honesty being the best policy?
I suspect if they had found the pre amp and mics it might have been a different story.
Ministry: Manchester wands being used so loaded up all pockets with change but waited late on and chose a bouncer without, kept eye contact and, although pretty thougher search got away with getting my rig in (Mics: AT 853 Rx`s mounted on sunglasses > Church Audio Preamp CA 9100 > Edirol R-09)
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Can we keep stealth, stealth... please?
Although having said that the following quote did make me smile :D
it was prob your brass balls that set it off
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Can we keep stealth, stealth... please?
Keep what? where?