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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: Chuck on May 12, 2006, 09:19:40 AM
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Part three...
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has anyone done anything further on the 8G CF card issue?
nism
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Sandisk Ultra II 8 GB does not work. I haven't had the scratch to try anything else.
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hey lee-
have you run the ua5 in front of the acm671 yet..?
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Sandisk Ultra II 8 GB does not work. I haven't had the scratch to try anything else.
Hmmm... That's not good news.
Is anyone using the Sandisk Ultra II 4 GB or 2 GB cards successfully? What I'm trying to determine is if it is a problem with the manufacturer or the size of the card.
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hey lee-
have you run the ua5 in front of the acm671 yet..?
I have not. Haven't had a need to!
And Chuck, I use the Ultra II (so does fanosix) with no problems.
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damn i need to save somemore money before i can get the 671, prolly just unmodded for now
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Sorry should have wrote that I like reading all the input about the 671. Someday I will get one but until then I like to know what team 671 is doing and catching all the great download from this wonderful machine. Happy Moms Day.
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Sorry should have wrote that I like reading all the input about the 671. Someday I will get one but until then I like to know what team 671 is doing and catching all the great download from this wonderful machine. Happy Moms Day.
I used to do that until I discovered the "Notify" button at the very bottom of the topic. You can get notifications without posting that way...
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now I understand :)
does the notify button send an email or a PM to yourself?
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just to email
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if i wanted to run my psp2 or v3 in fron of the acm, what's the way to do it? the acm only affects the mic in correct?
i'm lost as to what's the "proper" way to run a pre in front of it; line in or mic in (with the -20 pad engaged) ?
if you wanna run a line-out from a pre to a 'line-in' on the acm, youd technically have to run mic in w/ the -20db pad engaged, which i think would be just fine ;D
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if i wanted to run my psp2 or v3 in front of the acm, what's the way to do it? the acm only affects the mic in correct?
i'm lost as to what's the "proper" way to run a pre in front of it; line in or mic in (with the -20 pad engaged) and achieve the max out of both boxes.
For the V3 I'd run s/pdif in, if you wanted to hear the difference in the A/D you could run line in, I'm thinking from what I've heard mic in even with the -20att switch engaged your signal would be too hot.
I forgot to ask Doug last time I called, but I beleive he did mention that the ACM did have some effect with line in. I'm just trying to go off memory here, but we were talking 671/HD-P2 and I think he said the P2 had less self noise than the stock 671, but that the modded 671 took care of that issue. If that's the case it's probably due to cleaning up the signal path, not just upgrading the mic pre portion of the unit.
I've seen a couple people mention that there are no advantages to running line in w/ an ACM671 vs. a stock 671, that might not be the case. I have to send my unit out (stock) to have Doug mod it, when I call for the RMA# I'll ask him for clarification.
I ran my BCM671 a few times mics>unit, and compared it to mics>V3>671 (dig in) the only difference I could come up with was perhaps a little more speed and detail, maybe a touch more of a black background with the V3, things improved upon with the ACM. Hearing some of the ACM recordings out there, it seems that the mod does a great job in those 2 areas, making me think what I heard with my BCM had to do more with the analog stage of the 671 and not the a/d.
I have to make up a set of XLR > RCA cables to run the 148 > 671, if you want to try adding a little warmth to your recording that psp2>671 should do the trick.
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just buy some 480's and you'll have no need to run anything in front of the ACM 671. :P
The ONLY reason I still have the UA5 is to run a separate rig (SBD).
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just buy some 480's and you'll have no need to run anything in front of the ACM 671. :P
The ONLY reason I still have the UA5 is to run a separate rig (SBD).
If I buy AKG's it gonna be the 414's, I've already got the sd cardiod and hyper bases covered. ;)
I do like that AKG sizzle though. :headphones:
When I get my unit back from Doug I doubt I'll ever run a V3 in front of that unit, it'll be retired to the front end of the tascam if I feel like lugging it out.
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I would love to get my hands (ears) on the 414's. I think they would be the perfect compliment.
EDIT: hint, hint...anybody want to let me borrow some 414s and mounts? ;D
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I would love to get my hands (ears) on the 414's. I think they would be the perfect compliment.
C414 B-XLS, start saving your pennies, that's the next toy on the list for sure. I really wish I had them for Mogwai this Thursday...
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just buy some 480's and you'll have no need to run anything in front of the ACM 671. :P
well said.
another fine leehookem 481 > ACM671 recording (it definitely helps that i like Topaz's music...love the funk...wish he would get back to the northeast):
http://www.archive.org/details/Topaz2006-05-11.AKG481ACM671flac16
Location: DFC @ 7'
Lee, approximately how far away from the stage are you with this recording? just trying to get a feel for your overall setup. thanks +
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I would love to get my hands (ears) on the 414's. I think they would be the perfect compliment.
my ACM 671 will be hitting the door today. we should have some 414 > 671 recordings in the near future.
Tommy
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just buy some 480's and you'll have no need to run anything in front of the ACM 671. :P
well said.
another fine leehookem 481 > ACM671 recording (it definitely helps that i like Topaz's music...love the funk...wish he would get back to the northeast):
http://www.archive.org/details/Topaz2006-05-11.AKG481ACM671flac16
Location: DFC @ 7'
Lee, approximately how far away from the stage are you with this recording? just trying to get a feel for your overall setup. thanks +
probably 15-20 feet from the stage.
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Sandisk Ultra II 8 GB does not work. I haven't had the scratch to try anything else.
Hmmm... That's not good news.
Is anyone using the Sandisk Ultra II 4 GB or 2 GB cards successfully? What I'm trying to determine is if it is a problem with the manufacturer or the size of the card.
Using the San Disk 4gb with no probs whatsoever. Also the 2gb. None. Glad I didn't buy the 8....
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All you lucky punks with your ACM 671 rigs... what I wouldn't give to trade my MP-2>R-1 for a tasty 671...... I'm hoping transformer mics (460s) + transformer pre (mp-2) will give me a big enough hard-on at least for the summer....
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It is official.....I have mine in hand ;D
now just to find something to record.
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congratulations!
+T
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this was originally a pm, but thought others may could use it. feel free to add/critique.
-power on w/ formatted* cf card
*to format hook 671 w/ DAW via usb cable, explore to "removable disk", right click, format(quick)
-hold down "menu/store"
preset 1 should come up
press enter (play) twice
recformat should be seen, press enter
-choose stereo/pcm by using enter and (>>) fwd keys,
set bit depth/sample rate (i have preset 1 set to 24/48, p2 is24/44.1, p3 is 16/44,1)
select file as wav, press enter.
-you should be back to recformat, press (>>)fwd/enter to set these...
raw mode- monitor
verify- off
pre rec- off
st mode- stereo
mono mode- mono
auto mrk - off
manual tr - on
auto trk - on set to 2hours - THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!
hit (>>) til you get back to recformat,
press "menu/store"
repeat for other 2 presets.
ON TOP:
monitor - source
pre rec - on
input lock- on, but set it mic in first, if you ever run a pre in front use line in, or digi in
stereo - middle
repeat - off
edl play- off
mic attn - -20db - AGAIN, VERY IMPORTANT, even when using external pre
anc - flat
rec level- manual
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where's the part saying "671 info for dummies" and "call me when you can't figure it out" ;D
damn I'm ready to go home now
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mic attn - -20db - AGAIN, VERY IMPORTANT, even when using external pre
Why? Wouldn't you be running the external pre > line in?
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where's the part saying "671 info for dummies" and "call me when you can't figure it out" ;D
damn I'm ready to go home now
Here's the "cheat sheet" I started when I first got my 671.
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where's the part saying "671 info for dummies" and "call me when you can't figure it out" ;D
damn I'm ready to go home now
Here's the "cheat sheet" I started when I first got my 671.
awesome!!!!
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FWIW.....If you are using a wal-mart DVD battery to power this unit, it takes the "B" tip for the battery and the "M" tip for the unit.
I'm running a run time test right now. I'll post results later......just remember the mics I'm running are power hungry so you may get a little better time than I will.
Tommy
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awesome!!!!
Just make sure you set the "battery type". New out of the box it's defaulted to alkalines, if you're using NiMH batteries it might shut down prematurely unless you change the battery type. I was playing with run times/battery logevity with it when I got it, it kept shutting down well before I thought it should, (using NiMH rachargables) but it was just because the battery type wasn't selected in the menu. Has to do w/ the NiMH's putting out about 1.2v at full charge vs. an alkaline's 1.5v, so it was thinking the batteries were low.
Press & hold MENU/STORE for 2 seconds > "preset"
Press F-FWD/+ 5 times > "Batt type"
press ENTER > battery type flashes
use F-FWD/+ to tab through the types
press ENTER when it's on the type you're using
press MENU/STORE to store the changes and exit
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Yeah, it was just to help me get started after I read the manual the first time. I abandoned it after I used the recorder a few times. Maybe someone could clean it up, add a couple things and post it for first time 672 users. I dunno. I find the 671 to be quite user friendy and "almost" intuative in it's menu structure.
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If you are using the Wal mart (like I am) setting battery type has no impact. When using the wal mart it sees the power as ac, not internally powered.
But...ya'll are smarter than me so you prolly thought of that already....
nebber mind...I shall continue skulking (and listening to streamed Rose Hill Drive....DAMN, I love this band. Thank you Gumbino for intro'ing me to them.)
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awesome!!!!
Just make sure you set the "battery type". New out of the box it's defaulted to alkalines, if you're using NiMH batteries it might shut down prematurely unless you change the battery type. I was playing with run times/battery logevity with it when I got it, it kept shutting down well before I thought it should, (using NiMH rachargables) but it was just because the battery type wasn't selected in the menu. Has to do w/ the NiMH's putting out about 1.2v at full charge vs. an alkaline's 1.5v, so it was thinking the batteries were low.
Press & hold MENU/STORE for 2 seconds > "preset"
Press F-FWD/+ 5 times > "Batt type"
press ENTER > battery type flashes
use F-FWD/+ to tab through the types
press ENTER when it's on the type you're using
press MENU/STORE to store the changes and exit
Good info, thanks. What if you use alkalines, and the type is set to Nimh? Is that OK? What if I run NiMH internally, but have an external alkaline pack to plug in for backup?
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awesome!!!!
Just make sure you set the "battery type". New out of the box it's defaulted to alkalines, if you're using NiMH batteries it might shut down prematurely unless you change the battery type. I was playing with run times/battery logevity with it when I got it, it kept shutting down well before I thought it should, (using NiMH rachargables) but it was just because the battery type wasn't selected in the menu. Has to do w/ the NiMH's putting out about 1.2v at full charge vs. an alkaline's 1.5v, so it was thinking the batteries were low.
Press & hold MENU/STORE for 2 seconds > "preset"
Press F-FWD/+ 5 times > "Batt type"
press ENTER > battery type flashes
use F-FWD/+ to tab through the types
press ENTER when it's on the type you're using
press MENU/STORE to store the changes and exit
Good info, thanks. What if you use alkalines, and the type is set to Nimh? Is that OK? What if I run NiMH internally, but have an external alkaline pack to plug in for backup?
no....there is a setting for alkaline...
...using them externally will not matter. the unit thinks is the AC adaptor
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awesome!!!!
Just make sure you set the "battery type". New out of the box it's defaulted to alkalines, if you're using NiMH batteries it might shut down prematurely unless you change the battery type. I was playing with run times/battery logevity with it when I got it, it kept shutting down well before I thought it should, (using NiMH rachargables) but it was just because the battery type wasn't selected in the menu. Has to do w/ the NiMH's putting out about 1.2v at full charge vs. an alkaline's 1.5v, so it was thinking the batteries were low.
Press & hold MENU/STORE for 2 seconds > "preset"
Press F-FWD/+ 5 times > "Batt type"
press ENTER > battery type flashes
use F-FWD/+ to tab through the types
press ENTER when it's on the type you're using
press MENU/STORE to store the changes and exit
Good info, thanks. What if you use alkalines, and the type is set to Nimh? Is that OK? What if I run NiMH internally, but have an external alkaline pack to plug in for backup?
no....there is a setting for alkaline...
...using them externally will not matter. the unit thinks is the AC adaptor
I see the Alkaline setting, but....
Wouldn't it make sense to use Nimh for the battery setting, and then you can feel OK about using Alkaline or Nimh AA's internally? The Nimh has a lower voltage, so it should not affect Alkalines adversely. Is this correct?
I also thought that the Nimh setting is used for the Marantz internal battery sled, not Nimh AA's. Any insight?
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I see the Alkaline setting, but....
Wouldn't it make sense to use Nimh for the battery setting, and then you can feel OK about using Alkaline or Nimh AA's internally? The Nimh has a lower voltage, so it should not affect Alkalines adversely. Is this correct?
I use the NiMH setting for AA's, when I had it set to Alkaline it would shut down prematurely. The problem is with the NiMH setting while using Alkalines your battery level meter would be inaccurate, it might also go dead before it could shut itself down if it was low on juice.
I also thought that the Nimh setting is used for the Marantz internal battery sled, not Nimh AA's. Any insight?
NiMH AA's go in the battery sled. :P Unless you meant one of Marantz's proprietary battery packs.
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Yes, I did mean the Marantz battery pack, not putting AA's in the sled...
Thanks, but what about running alkalines with it set on nimh? If it has a lower turnoff voltage for the Nimh, then shouldn't the setting just stay there whether you are running alkalines or nimh AA's?
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if the machine can't handle a 8 gb card then the machine will not beable to record over 2 hours 24/96
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if the machine can't handle a 8 gb card then the machine will not beable to record over 2 hours 24/96
Is this true?..I thought it would at least hit 3 hours.
I get 6:37 with 16/44.1.
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4 GB at 24/96 is 4 hours, that is the time i get with the tascam.
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4 GB at 24/96 is 4 hours, that is the time i get with the tascam.
not doubting you at all.......that just seems a little high to me.
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I think he meant 2 hours
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4 GB at 24/96 is 4 hours, that is the time i get with the tascam.
24/96 is 2 gigs per hour.
8 gig card = 4 hours
4 gig card = 2 hours
and obviously, double your times for 24/48
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If anyone is running dig-in to this unit, I've noticed my Hosa cables don't fit the input all that well, they're pretty loose. I thought it might be just one of the cables, but I tried both of them/both ends, the connector on the Hosa fits very loose. I was transferring a show tascam>671 and I noticed some drop outs in the master. I ended up being the cable connection, if I even moved it very slightly it'd loose signal, it just doesn't fit tightly at all. I'm just posting because I don't want someone to trash a nice recording in the field, it might be common sense but if you're recording through the s/pdif make sure your cable fits nice-n-snug.
My cheapo rat-shack cable fits tight and another with canare connectors, I don't think it's the unit, I thing it's Hosa's cheapo connector.
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How long will a 671 run on a 9v Walmart NiMh battery?
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I was just loaned a SanDisk Ultra 8 gb card to try in my 671. I'll report back the results after testing.
Robbie
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I was just loaned a SanDisk Ultra 8 gb card to try in my 671. I'll report back the results after testing.
Robbie
I'm thinking Lee tried the exact card and could only get it to read as a 4GB...hopefully you get different results
Tommy
edit: I've had my unit for 2 weeks now and have yet to run it in the field :'(
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I was just loaned a SanDisk Ultra 8 gb card to try in my 671. I'll report back the results after testing.
Robbie
Please do.
If it doesn't work, we need to talk to Marantz, since SanDisk is one of the recommended CF card brands to use.
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I was just loaned a SanDisk Ultra 8 gb card to try in my 671. I'll report back the results after testing.
Robbie
Please do.
If it doesn't work, we need to talk to Marantz, since SanDisk is one of the recommended CF card brands to use.
Just did a quick test and the SanDisk Ultra 8 gb card seems to record fine..... BUT it only shows as having the same amount of space as a 4 gb card. Hopefully a firmware upgrade will address that..... otherwise a lot of folks will be opting for the Tascam instead.
RD
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Anyone gotten an error message while trying to transfer a file from the 671 via usb2.0 from a San Disk card, stating: Sector error (or something like that) There is an error on the card and Windows cannot read it.
Don't have it here w/ me, but I got a wierd ass error message and the file I was trying to transfer was BETWEEN files that DID transfer (1001, 1002 and 1004 had no probs....1003 is the stickler) Can't for the life of me figure out why this one file won't come off the machine.
p.s. I get well over 6 hours off the Wall mart dvd battery running both my mic2496 and pmd for whoever was asking. Someday I'll have free time to get mine acm'd by Doug...whimper....sniff....but I can't live without it for a month.
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Just did a quick test and the SanDisk Ultra 8 gb card seems to record fine..... BUT it only shows as having the same amount of space as a 4 gb card. Hopefully a firmware upgrade will address that..... otherwise a lot of folks will be opting for the Tascam instead.
RD
Is the HD-P2 compatable and recognize the ScanDisk Ultra 8 gb? I'm not sure that'd push me towards the Tascam, it's still 4hrs on a 4GB card @ 24/48 on the 671. The other things such as A/D and build quality mean much more in my opinion, not too mention the possible modifications. From my understanding is the Tascam unit would need a whole lot more work to upgrade the mic pre.
If someone was just looking for a bit-bucket that might come into play.
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if the 671 doesn't take the 8 gb card then you will be limited, someone should address that issue with them,
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the Tascam HD-P2 takes the 8gb card
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If someone was just looking for a bit-bucket that might come into play.
that is an expensive bit bucket.
can you update the pmd671 firmware..? that should do the trick...
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If someone was just looking for a bit-bucket that might come into play.
that is an expensive bit bucket.
can you update the pmd671 firmware..? that should do the trick...
I believe for firmware updates it requires sending the unit back to Marantz, they really dropped the ball on that one. As far as I can tell you can't update via the CF or USB, weak.
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I believe for firmware updates it requires sending the unit back to Marantz, they really dropped the ball on that one. As far as I can tell you can't update via the CF or USB, weak.
oooh - that is not good (and i was almost sold on one)...
this cf issue is a roblem wih everything - cameras, pda's, etc. and the firmware is the fix. see not all manufacturers follow the specs to the letter. my guess is sandisk did, but marantz did not - that somehow reading an 8gig cf card is different than a 4gig to the machine, maybe the info is stored differently - like somehow doubling the same physical 4gig card, but via some memory writing scemata, it doubles to 8gigs of useable space. but the firmware should tell the machine how to read the material, and updating firmware via usb is a snap - that is how the psp does it. marantz better deal with this, because sending a unit in to have them fix something like this is ridiculous. what happens when the 50gig cards come out, and are dirt cheap? do we have to send it back to marantz again..? (i am making the 50gig card up, but my pont is there HAS o be user upgradeable firmware because the very medium you use in the machine is changing/developing - there is no one set of rules that is finite, because new things get added to the spec all the time)...
bummer.
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Anyone gotten an error message while trying to transfer a file from the 671 via usb2.0 from a San Disk card, stating: Sector error (or something like that) There is an error on the card and Windows cannot read it.
Don't have it here w/ me, but I got a wierd ass error message and the file I was trying to transfer was BETWEEN files that DID transfer (1001, 1002 and 1004 had no probs....1003 is the stickler) Can't for the life of me figure out why this one file won't come off the machine.
p.s. I get well over 6 hours off the Wall mart dvd battery running both my mic2496 and pmd for whoever was asking. Someday I'll have free time to get mine acm'd by Doug...whimper....sniff....but I can't live without it for a month.
FWIW, I never transfer using the machine. I bought a cheap USB card reader and always use that and have had no problems transfering the files to my computer. There have been reports of problems using the 671 to do the transfers.
I'll e-mail Doug about the 4 GB limit. Let's see what he says...
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I transfer with the machine all the time with no problems.
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I transfer with the machine all the time with no problems.
ditto. pretty quickly.
i also have no need for running 24/96 so the 8gb issue is null for me. ymmv.
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I transfer with the machine all the time with no problems.
ditto. pretty quickly.
i also have no need for running 24/96 so the 8gb issue is null for me. ymmv.
Some people may disagree, but recording in 24/96 is a big waste of memory IMO. The highest I'll record in is 24/48 for DVD-A. I played with A-B'ing 24/48 and 24/96 files, and I can't hear a stinkin' difference. 16bit to 24 bit was a noticable improvement, beyond that 48>96 didn't yield anything I could pick out.
tests: recorded w/DPA4022 > V3 > Tascam DVRA-1000 @ 24/48 and 24/96
playback: Tascam DVRA-1000 > Grace m902 > AKG K701 headphones and Tascam DVRA-1000 > Grace m902 > B&K ST202+ > B&W 705's
If you need more than 4hrs record time, get another 4GB card, I don't want to bank on one card anyway. Let's say you're on the road or recording a festi, if your 8GB card flakes out you're screwed, if one of your 4GB cards flakes you still have 4GB or even the ability to dump the one card while recording on the other.
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indeed. i have two 4gb cards for this reason.
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indeed. i have two 4gb cards for this reason.
what happends if the show is over 2 hours and with 2 cards, there will be a BIG drop out
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indeed. i have two 4gb cards for this reason.
what happends if the show is over 2 hours and with 2 cards, there will be a BIG drop out
i do NOT record at 24/96. 2hr limit means nothing to me.
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The only time I want 24/96 would be for WSP. I still would like to have a working 8GB card. Otherwise 24/48 is plenty.
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indeed. i have two 4gb cards for this reason.
what happends if the show is over 2 hours and with 2 cards, there will be a BIG drop out
Not at 24/48...
Can you personally detect an audible difference between 24/48 and 24/96? My playback system isn't junk, it's far from being "high end", but even some of the people on this forum with very impressive (easily 10x what I have in playback) mention that they have a hard time, if being able to hear an audible difference between 24/48 vs. 24/96 if they can even detect one at all.
It's all opinions, observations, totally subjective, but I'll still stick to my own opinion that 24/96 is a HUGE waste of space.
Interesting article from record-producer.com (bolded some of the key points):
http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2982
Can you hear up to 96 kHz?
If you can hear frequencies up to 20 kHz, you are in the best of aural health, and probably young too. Most of us can't, so does a sampling rate of 96 kHz really make a difference?
Can you hear up to 96 kHz?
If you can hear frequencies up to 20 kHz, you are in the best of aural health, and probably young too. Most of us can't, but some can, and 20 kHz has long since been regarded as the upper limit of human hearing. Of course some animals can hear higher frequencies, dogs and bats come easily to mind, but you can't yet buy a stereo system designed specially to cater to canine ears. I said "yet".
But in recording, ever higher and higher sampling rates are all the rage. I get people writing to me asking whether the reason their recordings sound terrible is because they don't have 96 kHz sampling.
The plain fact is this: To capture frequencies up to 20 kHz accurately, you need a sampling rate of at least twice that, plus a safety margin. That comes to 44.1 kHz or 48 kHz, depending on whether you're talking about CD or digital audio for video.
Now that is a fact that is measurable on any day of the week, in any high school science lab, anywhere in the world.
F.A.C.T.
Got that?
But where there's a fact, there's a counter to that fact based on subjective opinion. Anyone into high-end audio in a big way will insist that higher sampling rates are absolutely necessary, and suggest that 96 kHz is merely the beginning. Equipment with a sampling rate of 96 kHz should give an audio response up to at least 40 kHz, and surely that should be sufficient for anyone?
But no. You can buy equipment that samples up to 192 kHz, giving a theoretical audio response of at least 80 kHz. Now we're in the bat cave! (I do note however that Digidesign's highest-specified Pro Tools interface, which samples at 192 Hz, only has a published response up to 20 kHz. What's that all about then?)
I have absolutely nothing against striving for the ultimate in audio. It is human nature to achieve the best, then better it. But the problem is that so many people have somehow gotten hold of the idea that this is the most important thing to worry about in recording.
Not so. If you play recordings sampled at 48 kHz and 96 kHz even to sound engineers and technical experts, they are hard pressed to tell the difference. Mostly they can't. Now try the same tests on a representative sample of the kind of people who might buy your music. I can guarantee that they won't be able to tell the difference - even if you tell them what to look out for.
Now let's turn around to something that makes a real and easily heard difference to a recording - microphone position. Move a microphone a couple of inches, and it's as plain as a billboard right in front of your face what the difference is. Or compare your mixes now with what you did two years ago - there will be a massive difference due to the experience you have gained over that period.
The conclusion is that it is right to be concerned about sound quality, but chasing ever-higher sampling rates isn't the thing most likely to make a difference.
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besides the filesize, i prefer 24/48 cause my dvd-a player does not output a digital signal over 24/48.
edit- what he said
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This is what I got from Doug Oade on the 8GB card problem:
Hi !
Yes, the info I have from Marantz indicates 8 gig and larger cards are
supported but must be formated on a computer. Also keep in mind not all
cards are the same so some brands may not ever work. I do not own any 8
gig cards( I prefer the reliability and lower operating current/temp of
2 and 4 gig CF cards) so I cannot test it but I hope this helps...Doug
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Thank you for your interest.
We are factory authorized for all product we sell.
We want your business and try harder !
Sincerely,
The Oade Brothers Audio Sales Team.
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i find it easier/faster to format the card while hooked up the computer. also, i'd like to hear doug's take on the 48 vs 96 debacle.
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Has anyone done any splitter based comps of the ACM 671?
Like:
mics > splitter > acm671
> v3
And to eval the A/D maybe:
mics > v3 > acm671
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Has anyone done any splitter based comps of the ACM 671?
Like:
mics > splitter > acm671
> v3
And to eval the A/D maybe:
mics > v3 > acm671
haven't done a comp to prove it but I don't miss the v3
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I'll be at the moe/Umpreys Red Rocks show, May 26, with my ACM PMD671. I'd love to do a comp with a V3 or any other pre-amp.
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I'll be at the moe/Umpreys Red Rocks show, May 26, with my ACM PMD671. I'd love to do a comp with a V3 or any other pre-amp.
Perfect! The buddy who asked runs 481 > DA-P1.
Now if we could only modify that DA-P1 to record @ 24bit. :P
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Now if we could only modify that DA-P1 to record @ 24bit. :P
Hide a microtrack inside the case?
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Has anyone done any splitter based comps of the ACM 671?
Like:
mics > splitter > acm671
> v3
And to eval the A/D maybe:
mics > v3 > acm671
Mine's not an ACM, but I have
The Duo
onstage, LOC 4022>V3>SPDIF out>MT (24/48)
>analog out>PMD-671 line in (24/48)
I don't really do BT, but if anyone wants it, PM me. You guys are more than welcome to set up a BT of it. -Matt
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This is what I got from Doug Oade on the 8GB card problem:
Hi !
Yes, the info I have from Marantz indicates 8 gig and larger cards are
supported but must be formated on a computer. Also keep in mind not all
cards are the same so some brands may not ever work. I do not own any 8
gig cards( I prefer the reliability and lower operating current/temp of
2 and 4 gig CF cards) so I cannot test it but I hope this helps...Doug
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Thank you for your interest.
We are factory authorized for all product we sell.
We want your business and try harder !
Sincerely,
The Oade Brothers Audio Sales Team.
that is fantasdic news...
i wouldnt suppose marantz has a handy freeware .exe that they have devloped for this purpose..? cf cards, and microdrives, esp. are real finnicky. for instance i bought a 2.2gig microdrive when i was using the older ipaq to record, and nothing would format it - not expanision slot changes, not a 'puter card reader, not my camera, not the ipaq2215 (wich is the one i moved to), not using the program gordon (live2496) recommends for formatting the CF cards (storage tools is what it is called, i think)...
then i bought that pad for my psp, and threw the old microdrive in the pad, and whammo - the psp saw it, and i formatted it that way... and now everything reads it (all those devices that i said before would not). weird, but i like i said above, i bet that is what is happening with the 8gig cards)...
the sandisk cards are pretty reliable - has anybody tried foratting the 8gig card with storage tools on a pda..? do you have to format the fat type, cluster size and cache size, etc. to specific values before using a card in the marantz, or did the pmd671 do that when you installed a card..? if you cant use the marantz unit to format the larger cards, has marantz stated SPECIFICALLY what fat type, cluster and cache sizes to use - this can make a difference. gordon (live2496) can fill in the specifics, but i know from experience :P that some settings work, and some absolutely do not, but usually when they fail, it causes nasty things like buffer over/underruns, that cause all sorts of resetting... talk about a big dropout - i have walked out of shows, f*cking fuming - when this has happened to me (unfortunately on more than one occassion - the pleasures of being an ealry adopter (i have been using the pda rigs for a couple of years now)...
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@ ghengis re: 24/96 being a waste of space...
sometimes yes, sometimes no - i want to have all my options.
i agree if you are doing a straight record > FLAC > listen via foobar, then i would love to see you abx the difference (foobar has an abx function, where you load the tracks and pick; sweet for really testing wha you are hearing, and not allowing personal hunches, preferences, wishes, etc. color your tests)... anyway, i dont think many folks can hear the difference in this scenario...
BUT if you are going to be doing ANY dsp (other than the trim/fade/dither) i think it makes a huge difference, and is absolutely necessary...
now i would like to think that my sh*t sounds so good that i dont need to do any dsp, but that is just not true...
now learning the dsp tools, and using them with tremendous restraint (imo) is the way to go, and requires a whole noew set of skills. but if you are seriously planning on applying dsp, you want 24/96 (or better) source files... at least, i KNOW i do...
i can live without 24/192...
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This is what I got from Doug Oade on the 8GB card problem:
Hi !
Yes, the info I have from Marantz indicates 8 gig and larger cards are
supported but must be formated on a computer. Also keep in mind not all
cards are the same so some brands may not ever work. I do not own any 8
gig cards( I prefer the reliability and lower operating current/temp of
2 and 4 gig CF cards) so I cannot test it but I hope this helps...Doug
--
Thank you for your interest.
We are factory authorized for all product we sell.
We want your business and try harder !
Sincerely,
The Oade Brothers Audio Sales Team.
that is fantasdic news...
Could be... It'd be nice.
http://www.d-mpro.com/users/folder.asp?FolderID=3689&Tab=FAQ
PMD671 Operational Questions
What kind of media is recommended?
Depending on your application, you'll want to select a proper compact flash type I or type II, or microdrive memory card to use with your PMD671 solid state recorder. Typically standard cards with faster read/write speeds are best. You'll want to stay away from cards marked as "ultra" or anything else other than standard. If your application is one where the machine is constantly moving or subject to vibration, then you should buy a compact flash card as opposed to a microdrive.
Some recommended brands of flash cards are: Lexar, Viking, Hitachi, IBM, and PNY.
ScanDisk is not on the recommended brands, and they do mention "ultra" specifically. It is entirely possible that they have other motivations to mention this (possible financial affiliations etc.) but it is possible it's due to the specific technology used in the card.
My Kingston "Elite" card isn't on the recommended list and when they say "anything else other than standard" who knows what the hell they mean, a standard 4X card probably can't hang @ higher bit rates.
It'd be nice if they tested and approved cards that DO work, instead of thier not this, maybe that, probably this gibberish.
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I e-mailed Marantz about this wording. The response was vague, but they said they stand by that recommendation. I mentioned that I use the Kingston Elite with good results. Maybe they "have it in" for SanDisc? I dunno... Doug Oade recommended the Kingston Elite at first, so I bought it and I am happy with it. I've heard he has since stopped recommending Kingston cards, but again, the Kingston works great for me.
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$440+ is a it steep, doncha think..?
(ebay link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7616950488&category=122612))
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$440+ is a it steep, doncha think..?
(ebay link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7616950488&category=122612))
yes but meritline.com has PNY and a few other cheapies that are well below that price point id consider trying out first :)
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$440+ is a it steep, doncha think..?
(ebay link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7616950488&category=122612))
yes but meritline.com has PNY and a few other cheapies that are well below that price point id consider trying out first :)
Great site for CF (and other memory) on the cheap.....
http://dealnews.com/memory/prices/Compact-Flash/19/8GB.html
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+t to both of you for those tips!!!
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if i only record at 24/48, i will never know if 24/96 "sounds" better. i will agree, however, that a resampled version to 24/48 from a 24/96 source does NOT sound as good. i have a/b'ed 24/96 and resampled 24/48 many times over.
source: pioneer 563-a>sony 3000es>b&w604se
caveat emptor: my dvd-a player does not output a digi signal over 24/48, so i have to listen to the 24/96 source via the analog outs. not the most scientific comparison, but enough for me not to warrant going over 24/48.
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*Unable to transfer* problem resolved. It was a bad file sector. Unsure why it got messed up on the CF card, but I ran chkdsk on that extension (f:\ on my computer) on the the next restart, it fixed the file allocation on the card and voila....able to transfer wav. I assume this problem would have still been apparent had I used a pcmcia adapter, the problem being the file itself, and not the transfer medium.
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Good news.
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Hey, has anyone successfully use a Dane Elec 4GB CF card in the PMD671?
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Well, I left the lead at home and actually recorded three different bands successfully using only the (8) AA Radio Shack battery holder as the internal sled in my 671. I removed the keying device on the stock Marantz sled and put it on the long sled available at Radio Shack. The difference between the two sleds is that the Radio Shack version has terminals that protrude out from it, where the Marantz sled contact points are more or less flush with the sled. I had to do a little surgery on the Radio Shack sled. Basically just bending the positive connector contacts a bit to make it fit in the sled holder area of the 671.
Before using the Radio Shack sled, I never had success with the Marantz sled in my 671 working reliably in the field.
Original Marantz sled on the left - Modified radio Shack sled on the right
(http://671 sled.JPG)
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*knocks on wood*
i have yet to experience this problem. i use internal power exclusively. hope your solution works.
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Well, I left the lead at home and actually recorded three different bands successfully using only the (8) AA Radio Shack battery holder as the internal sled in my 671. I removed the keying device on the stock Marantz sled and put it on the long sled available at Radio Shack. The difference between the two sleds is that the Radio Shack version has terminals that protrude out from it, where the Marantz sled contact points are more or less flush with the sled. I had to do a little surgery on the Radio Shack sled. Basically just bending the positive connector contacts a bit to make it fit in the sled holder area of the 671.
Before using the Radio Shack sled, I never had success with the Marantz sled in my 671 working reliably in the field.
Original Marantz sled on the left - Modified radio Shack sled on the right
(http://671 sled.JPG)
Very strange,
i have been using the Energizer 2500 mah batteries with the sled, and have not had a single incident! I saw that you used the Duracell batteries in your sled. I thought those had worked fine as well. Why do you think the radio shack sled works better than the Marantz one? I am getting paranoid about this now, even with a perfect track record thus far.
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Well, I left the lead at home and actually recorded three different bands successfully using only the (8) AA Radio Shack battery holder as the internal sled in my 671. I removed the keying device on the stock Marantz sled and put it on the long sled available at Radio Shack. The difference between the two sleds is that the Radio Shack version has terminals that protrude out from it, where the Marantz sled contact points are more or less flush with the sled. I had to do a little surgery on the Radio Shack sled. Basically just bending the positive connector contacts a bit to make it fit in the sled holder area of the 671.
Before using the Radio Shack sled, I never had success with the Marantz sled in my 671 working reliably in the field.
Original Marantz sled on the left - Modified radio Shack sled on the right
(http://671 sled.JPG)
Very strange,
i have been using the Energizer 2500 mah batteries with the sled, and have not had a single incident! I saw that you used the Duracell batteries in your sled. I thought those had worked fine as well. Why do you think the radio shack sled works better than the Marantz one? I am getting paranoid about this now, even with a perfect track record thus far.
In my PMD671, and I suspect others, the contact points in the sled holder don't make good contact with the terminals on the stock Marantz sled. The Radio Shack sled has terminals that stick out maybe 3/32" that make better contact than the nearly flush contacts on the Marantz sled. Of course YMMV.
If you haven't had a problem, then I wouldn't change anything. I had not been able to run my deck, with internal batteries only, without a power hick-up until I used the Radio Shack sled. All is good in my world now. With external AA packs and the Radio Shack internal AA option working for me, I feel very good about using this recorder in the field. :)
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In my PMD671, and I suspect others, the contact points in the sled holder don't make good contact with the terminals on the stock Marantz sled. The Radio Shack sled has terminals that stick out maybe 3/32" that make better contact than the nearly flush contacts on the Marantz sled. Of course YMMV.
If you haven't had a problem, then I wouldn't change anything. I had not been able to run my deck, with internal batteries only, without a power hick-up until I used the Radio Shack sled. All is good in my world now. With external AA packs and the Radio Shack internal AA option working for me, I feel very good about using this recorder in the field. :)
Perhaps one of your contacts is slightly bent in the recorder? Either that or you got a defective sled.
Glad you got it resolved, and a good idea for a replacement sled if you need one in a pinch.
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In my PMD671, and I suspect others, the contact points in the sled holder don't make good contact with the terminals on the stock Marantz sled. The Radio Shack sled has terminals that stick out maybe 3/32" that make better contact than the nearly flush contacts on the Marantz sled. Of course YMMV.
If you haven't had a problem, then I wouldn't change anything. I had not been able to run my deck, with internal batteries only, without a power hick-up until I used the Radio Shack sled. All is good in my world now. With external AA packs and the Radio Shack internal AA option working for me, I feel very good about using this recorder in the field. :)
Perhaps one of your contacts is slightly bent in the recorder? Either that or you got a defective sled.
Glad you got it resolved, and a good idea for a replacement sled if you need one in a pinch.
I'm tempted to modify the stock sled, but I haven't found the right things to solder onto the existing contacts. I need something that comes out about 3/32", is conductive and solderable and small enough around that it can clear the inside of the 671 sled bay.
I did some measurements, with calipers, on the retractable contact points inside the sled bay and the stock sled and the keying device used on the sled. According to the measurments I did, on my equipment, there is barely enough length on the contacts in the sled bay to make contact with the stock sled contact points. Also, with the Radio Shack sled I get a firm "klunk" (locked in) sound when I put that sled into the 671 battery bay. I don't get that with the stock sled.
Again, maybe I got a bad sled, but I've seen posts by others about this very issue. I'm convinced that extending the contact points on my sled is a good thing. YMMV
Chuck
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my sled "clicks" when locked in on both 671's i use. lucky, i guess.
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how does the acm do in low level acoustic recording environments?
i hear that it would not be suitable for recording conversation or f/x.
luke
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how does the acm do in low level acoustic recording environments?
i hear that it would not be suitable for recording conversation or f/x.
luke
You may not have enough gain for FX recording with the ACM 671. I recorded an amplified acoustic guitar duo (AKG C-481> ACM PMD671) with the 671 -10 db attenuater switch on and had to crank the levels full up to "10."
Doug does have a Super mod: http://www.oade.com/digital_recorders/hard_disc_recorders/PMD-671MODS.html that looks like would be great for that type of recording.
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this has come up before... i was worried about the acm not having enough gain for some things, like a symphony. and i swear i read somewhere that the acm is what i want, and that the supermod is not suiable for recording music...
chuck wrote:had you not run the -10 attenuator, do you thin you still would have had to run the acm wide open..?
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this has come up before... i was worried about the acm not having enough gain for some things, like a symphony. and i swear i read somewhere that the acm is what i want, and that the supermod is not suiable for recording music...
In 671 in the field part 2 ;)
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=59611.msg861773#msg861773
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RE: the acm for acoustical should be ok, I think.
Just got this email from Doug....
Hi Andrew, nice to hear from you.
Yes, I feel the ACM is the best bet for recording any type of music. Did
you know DPA makes an XLR adapter that the 4060s plug into, this adapter
provides power for the mics form the P48 supply in the 671. This is a
very good solution...Doug
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well hello again folks. been a while since i posted last, but finally got some more CF info - ok, confirmation of what i have posted earlier. a buddy of mine used to work for a major broker/manufacturer of memory. he has confirmed the general construction theories i posted a while back. NOTE: i use the basic SanDisc 4G crads in my unmodd'ed 671 with no glitches.
so... basic cards write data to the chips just like your computer writes to a single hard drive. _fast_ cards write to the chips in the CF card much like a RAID array 0 [Level 0 -- Striped Disk Array without Fault Tolerance: Provides data striping (spreading out blocks of each file across multiple disk drives) but no redundancy. This improves performance.] - since the chips on the card are no faster than the chips on the "standard" cards, the controller splits the data and sends it to two different locations. for our uses - ie continuous write - this leads to errors as the controller or handler has to work continuously for 2 or 3 hrs.
so, i am going to get an 8G card from the above mentioned manufacturer as he guarantees the chips to be excellent quality from one of the good memory manufacturers and assures my bud the card will have the same dependable performance as my SanDisc cards. i will post after i get a hold of the card.
remember, the cheaper the card, the cheaper the chips on it and the less likely you will get solid performance.
nism
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Finally got to run this thing last night. I ran 24/48 with the -20db engaged for the first set. Second set I tried it without the pad and wished I wouldn't have. Levels just looked extremely low for the first set, but listening to it this morning, I was wrong. The 414's sound sooo nice with this thing!
Tommy
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Finally got to run this thing last night. I ran 24/48 with the -20db engaged for the first set. Second set I tried it without the pad and wished I wouldn't have. Levels just looked extremely low for the first set, but listening to it this morning, I was wrong. The 414's sound sooo nice with this thing!
Tommy
What type of music were you taping? Acoustic, amplified? Did you run out of gain with the -20db engaged?
That's a big concern of mine, the AKG's are hot mics. (or am I wrong?)
C 480 B comb-ULS/61: Sensitivity 40/20/6,3 mV/Pa (-28/-34/-44 dBV) <--- I'm assuming the 480 has an attenuator switch?
C 414 B-XLS: Sensitivity 23 mV/Pa (-33 dBV) ± 0.5 dB
Schoeps MK41/CMC6: Sensitivity: 13 mV/Pa
DPA 4022: Sensitivity, nominal, ±2 dB: Nominally 7 mV/Pa (at 1 kHz)
Am I reading these specs wrong or are AKG mics way hotter than DPA and Schoeps?
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What type of music were you taping? Acoustic, amplified? Did you run out of gain with the -20db engaged?
It was amplified (asylum street spankers), but very quiet. With the pad engaged, I had the gain run wide open.
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What type of music were you taping? Acoustic, amplified? Did you run out of gain with the -20db engaged?
It was amplified (asylum street spankers), but very quiet. With the pad engaged, I had the gain run wide open.
The 414's have thier own pad (-6 dB, -12 dB, -18 dB) did you use the mics own attenuation at all? Any idea how far from 0 you were?
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What type of music were you taping? Acoustic, amplified? Did you run out of gain with the -20db engaged?
It was amplified (asylum street spankers), but very quiet. With the pad engaged, I had the gain run wide open.
The 414's have thier own pad (-6 dB, -12 dB, -18 dB) did you use the mics own attenuation at all? Any idea how far from 0 you were?
no pad used on the mics. maybe 6 db
it's sounds good. I had nevre heard these guys before, so I was going in blind.
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how does the acm do in low level acoustic recording environments?
i hear that it would not be suitable for recording conversation or f/x.
luke
You may not have enough gain for FX recording with the ACM 671. I recorded an amplified acoustic guitar duo (AKG C-481> ACM PMD671) with the 671 -10 db attenuater switch on and had to crank the levels full up to "10."
Doug does have a Super mod: http://www.oade.com/digital_recorders/hard_disc_recorders/PMD-671MODS.html that looks like would be great for that type of recording.
Remind me again, someone.....WHY is it important for this machine to run w/ mic attenuation on? If you are running a minus 10 and have to run all the way UP to 10 on gain, what prevents a person, like me, who records classical from just leaving mic attenuation off and finding better levels? What am I missing??
Offtopic: Just did my first Archive upload!!! (And I'm not sore at ALL, gumbino!!) I'm unsure if I did everything right, and I see that it has not yet auto-generated of streaming flies yet....crossing my fingers. Too bad I had to use the wrong mics for my first time out, but....hell...we had fun!
http://www.archive.org/details/fhd2006-02-26.flac16
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how does the acm do in low level acoustic recording environments?
i hear that it would not be suitable for recording conversation or f/x.
luke
You may not have enough gain for FX recording with the ACM 671. I recorded an amplified acoustic guitar duo (AKG C-481> ACM PMD671) with the 671 -10 db attenuater switch on and had to crank the levels full up to "10."
Doug does have a Super mod: http://www.oade.com/digital_recorders/hard_disc_recorders/PMD-671MODS.html that looks like would be great for that type of recording.
Remind me again, someone.....WHY is it important for this machine to run w/ mic attenuation on? If you are running a minus 10 and have to run all the way UP to 10 on gain, what prevents a person, like me, who records classical from just leaving mic attenuation off and finding better levels? What am I missing??
Offtopic: Just did my first Archive upload!!! (And I'm not sore at ALL, gumbino!!) I'm unsure if I did everything right, and I see that it has not yet auto-generated of streaming flies yet....crossing my fingers. Too bad I had to use the wrong mics for my first time out, but....hell...we had fun!
http://www.archive.org/details/fhd2006-02-26.flac16
The "gain" control on the 671 is actually an attenuator. So ideally, you want to use it as close to wide open as possible, so your signal is going through as little potentiometer controlled attenuation as possible. With the C-480's I have to use the -10db pad to get out of the lower half of the control where the signal goes through that nasty attenuation.
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how does the acm do in low level acoustic recording environments?
i hear that it would not be suitable for recording conversation or f/x.
luke
You may not have enough gain for FX recording with the ACM 671. I recorded an amplified acoustic guitar duo (AKG C-481> ACM PMD671) with the 671 -10 db attenuater switch on and had to crank the levels full up to "10."
Doug does have a Super mod: http://www.oade.com/digital_recorders/hard_disc_recorders/PMD-671MODS.html that looks like would be great for that type of recording.
Remind me again, someone.....WHY is it important for this machine to run w/ mic attenuation on? If you are running a minus 10 and have to run all the way UP to 10 on gain, what prevents a person, like me, who records classical from just leaving mic attenuation off and finding better levels? What am I missing??
Offtopic: Just did my first Archive upload!!! (And I'm not sore at ALL, gumbino!!) I'm unsure if I did everything right, and I see that it has not yet auto-generated of streaming flies yet....crossing my fingers. Too bad I had to use the wrong mics for my first time out, but....hell...we had fun!
http://www.archive.org/details/fhd2006-02-26.flac16
The "gain" control on the 671 is actually an attenuator. So ideally, you want to use it as close to wide open as possible, so your signal is going through as little potentiometer controlled attenuation as possible. With the C-480's I have to use the -10db pad to get out of the lower half of the control where the signal goes through that nasty attenuation.
But which is worse?
A: engaging the -10 DB pad on the mic, then achieving low levels with the gain at 10
B: running no pad on the mics and applying minimal potentiometer attenuation with the unit, you're already subtracting -20 with the unit.
If your levels are more than 10db below 0 it doesn't seem it'd be necessary to use the mic's -10db pad, unless Doug has some different explaination.
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how does the acm do in low level acoustic recording environments?
i hear that it would not be suitable for recording conversation or f/x.
luke
You may not have enough gain for FX recording with the ACM 671. I recorded an amplified acoustic guitar duo (AKG C-481> ACM PMD671) with the 671 -10 db attenuater switch on and had to crank the levels full up to "10."
Doug does have a Super mod: http://www.oade.com/digital_recorders/hard_disc_recorders/PMD-671MODS.html that looks like would be great for that type of recording.
Remind me again, someone.....WHY is it important for this machine to run w/ mic attenuation on? If you are running a minus 10 and have to run all the way UP to 10 on gain, what prevents a person, like me, who records classical from just leaving mic attenuation off and finding better levels? What am I missing??
Offtopic: Just did my first Archive upload!!! (And I'm not sore at ALL, gumbino!!) I'm unsure if I did everything right, and I see that it has not yet auto-generated of streaming flies yet....crossing my fingers. Too bad I had to use the wrong mics for my first time out, but....hell...we had fun!
http://www.archive.org/details/fhd2006-02-26.flac16
The "gain" control on the 671 is actually an attenuator. So ideally, you want to use it as close to wide open as possible, so your signal is going through as little potentiometer controlled attenuation as possible. With the C-480's I have to use the -10db pad to get out of the lower half of the control where the signal goes through that nasty attenuation.
But which is worse?
A: engaging the -10 DB pad on the mic, then achieving low levels with the gain at 10
B: running no pad on the mics and applying minimal potentiometer attenuation with the unit, you're already subtracting -20 with the unit.
If your levels are more than 10db below 0 it doesn't seem it'd be necessary to use the mic's -10db pad, unless Doug has some different explaination.
My next time out, I will run the mics with their -12db pad on and the 671 at 0db. My brain tells me that this would be the best way. We'll see how that works.
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My next time out, I will run the mics with their -12db pad on and the 671 at 0db. My brain tells me that this would be the best way. We'll see how that works.
I thought I remember Doug telling me that you want to run the pad, I'm not sure if he meant all the time or for a situation we were talking about. What I was questioning is why you would run the -10db pad on the mics AND the pad on the 671 if you weren't achieving good levels with the recorder's levels knob at 10. (Chuck's situation) Neither of my sets of mics have any self-attenuation, but I might pick up a pair of 414's in the near future, so I'm curious.
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My next time out, I will run the mics with their -12db pad on and the 671 at 0db. My brain tells me that this would be the best way. We'll see how that works.
I thought I remember Doug telling me that you want to run the pad, I'm not sure if he meant all the time or for a situation we were talking about. What I was questioning is why you would run the -10db pad on the mics AND the pad on the 671 if you weren't achieving good levels with the recorder's levels knob at 10. (Chuck's situation) Neither of my sets of mics have any self-attenuation, but I might pick up a pair of 414's in the near future, so I'm curious.
Yeah, Doug told me to run the 671 pad with the C-480's. I may try using the pad on the C-480's and the -10 db 671 pad sometime too.
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My next time out, I will run the mics with their -12db pad on and the 671 at 0db. My brain tells me that this would be the best way. We'll see how that works.
I thought I remember Doug telling me that you want to run the pad, I'm not sure if he meant all the time or for a situation we were talking about. What I was questioning is why you would run the -10db pad on the mics AND the pad on the 671 if you weren't achieving good levels with the recorder's levels knob at 10. (Chuck's situation) Neither of my sets of mics have any self-attenuation, but I might pick up a pair of 414's in the near future, so I'm curious.
Yeah, Doug told me to run the 671 pad with the C-480's. I may try using the pad on the C-480's and the -10 db 671 pad sometime too.
See, I was assuming you were already running the -10db pad on the mics AND the -20 db pad on the 671.
You may not have enough gain for FX recording with the ACM 671. I recorded an amplified acoustic guitar duo (AKG C-481> ACM PMD671) with the 671 -10 db attenuater switch on and had to crank the levels full up to "10."
I think what you meant was the -20db pad on the 671 (it's -20 on the unit, not -10) I was assuming you meant the mics -10 since the 671's switch is -20db.
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now I'm confused. :-\
so which would be better overall? Running the mics at -12db and the unit set at 0db? Or leaving the mics alone and running the -20 on the 671?
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now I'm confused. :-\
so which would be better overall? Running the mics at -12db and the unit set at 0db? Or leaving the mics alone and running the -20 on the 671?
Last time this topic came up: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=59611.msg837599#msg837599
I say leave the mics alone and use the -20 on the 671, IF that's too much attenuation (low levels) then try the pad on the mics and no pad on the 671.
The whole -10/-20 thing was confusing me. (since it doesn't have -10)
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my brain just exploded from reading the last two posts :)
I find myself almost running out of gain when I run the attenuator on the 671. I might try running the -10 pad on the mics once I get them back from AKG.
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Ok I have the 660, but I called Doug when I got my km140s and asked him what I should run and he said leave the mics alone and use the Marantz pad instead. Why I'm not sure. Can one do a better just (cleaner)?
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Last night, Topaz had a new gig. He played with a new line-up...totally different style of music. Anyways, my 481s are at AKG for a tune up so I borrowed Matts (thegreatgumbino's) 460s. As soon as I can figure out how to track this show, i'll post it on the archive.
AKG 463 (JW mod) > ACM 671
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the bar I recorded in is called The Troubadour Saloon. It's a shotgun bar...really long and narrow...brick walls. IMO it sounds great, other than a little chatter here and there. To top it off this was their first gig. They only rehearsed twice before this show.
as far as being the first one, i'm not sure.
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:lol:
the fact that my left and right channel was dead even, yes. I can't wait to get my mics back.
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http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=66288.0
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ALWAYS RUN THE PAD ON THE 671!!! trust me. if you cant good levels w/ the pad engaged, you are not close enough. if you are getting too hot levels run the pad on the mics as well. i have already learned this lesson several times over w/ 140's, 463's, & TL's.
ps - doug says so.
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ALWAYS RUN THE PAD ON THE 671!!! trust me. if you cant good levels w/ the pad engaged, you are not close enough. if you are getting too hot levels run the pad on the mics as well. i have already learned this lesson several times over w/ 140's, 463's, & TL's.
ps - doug says so.
does this go for both stock and modded units?
also what kind of lesson did you learn - what happened to the recording when you did not run the pad as opposed to when you did?
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does this go for both stock and modded units?
yes, both.
also what kind of lesson did you learn - what happened to the recording when you did not run the pad as opposed to when you did?
the waveforms are sticks of butter. sounds like shit.
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ALWAYS RUN THE PAD ON THE 671!!! trust me. if you cant good levels w/ the pad engaged, you are not close enough. if you are getting too hot levels run the pad on the mics as well. i have already learned this lesson several times over w/ 140's, 463's, & TL's.
ps - doug says so.
This really worries me, doing classical. I am sending in my unit today to have it modded, and it's really gonna bum me out if I spend that dough, and then levels aren't hot enuf in this unit with the acm.
Here's hoping, and if not, expect to find it on Yard Sale.
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ALWAYS RUN THE PAD ON THE 671!!! trust me. if you cant good levels w/ the pad engaged, you are not close enough. if you are getting too hot levels run the pad on the mics as well. i have already learned this lesson several times over w/ 140's, 463's, & TL's.
ps - doug says so.
what would you do in the situation in boldface..?
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has anyone tried an 8gb card yet?
Go back to page 4 of this thread, there's a little discussion of the 8gb cards there.
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I'm curious if anyone that owns an 8 gigger has tried formatting in a computer and indeed verified that the external format allows the 671 to recognize the card as having 8 gigs available.
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I tried formatting an 8 gig card on my computer and when I put the card in my 671 it still shows as having 4 gigs. I did just use the standard card format with Windoze XP though and am not sure if another formatting utility would work differently.
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ALWAYS RUN THE PAD ON THE 671!!! trust me. if you cant good levels w/ the pad engaged, you are not close enough. if you are getting too hot levels run the pad on the mics as well. i have already learned this lesson several times over w/ 140's, 463's, & TL's.
ps - doug says so.
what would you do in the situation in boldface..?
get closer. ;)
seriously, it happened to me twice. i just cranked the 671 wide open. the levels were low, but it sounded fine. i could have added in post, but didnt seem necessary.
teno: i have NOT recorded anything unamplified or classical to help you, sorry. its worth a shot and it will sell if it comes to that.
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hey ghengis (or anyone else).
have you run dpa 402x > acm671 yet? I'm curious what kind of levels one would get if using these less sensitive mics, coupled with the -20 pad.
I only ran my 4022's into a BCM671, the ACM is worked over a bit more, I don't think the gain is comparable. I had no issues getting strong levels, but... it was a BCM and very loud sources. Quietest being Mule at a festival.
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I just got this card in the mail today:
(http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:1nY7J3iSFJmCWM:http://www.pqi.com.tw/upload)
I set the recorder to 24/96 and I'm recording through the line in to see if it'll hang.
2hrs @ 24/96 until the card was full, looks like this card should work! 20 minutes and it's still going, it said 02:00:07 available. I'll do the speed test and compare the test/record time (capacity) against my Kingston 45X 4GB that's worked flawlessly for me so far.
4GB for under $100 shipped is a pretty good deal. :coolguy:
Card check: Read/Write 6052
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how did that compare to the kingston (speed-wise)? just curious.
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how did that compare to the kingston (speed-wise)? just curious.
PQI 4GB Read/Write 6052/6052
Kingston 45X 4GB Read/Write 7377/7377 (this car isn't empty, maybe half full, I'm not sure if it would have an effect on write speeds)
Kingston 50X 2GB Read/Write 8128/8128
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thanks.
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I think I may have screwed up a CF card. It will not reformat in the 671. I get an error message "format on PC". I tried formatting on my computer and it would still not work. suggestions?
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I think I may have screwed up a CF card. It will not reformat in the 671. I get an error message "format on PC". I tried formatting on my computer and it would still not work. suggestions?
Send it back and say it is screwed up. Just a try.
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I think I may have screwed up a CF card. It will not reformat in the 671. I get an error message "format on PC". I tried formatting on my computer and it would still not work. suggestions?
got it to format on my camera....works like a charm now.
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has anyone given a patch out of the headphone jack? Just wondering if it would work running 24 bit.
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Why not use the RCA analog outputs instead of the headphone jack?
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Why not use the RCA analog outputs instead of the headphone jack?
running 24bit? not a problem?
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as long as the recorder patching is 24 bit...shouldn't be a problem, same as the headphone jack...
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as long as the recorder patching is 24 bit...shouldn't be a problem, same as the headphone jack...
that is what I thought....thanks!
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The headphone jack on the 671 IMHO isn't very good. The built in amplifier isn't very loud, and it has a high noise floor. One of the only things I find that I don't like about this unit. Use the RCA outs if you can.
Why would the recorder you're giving the patch to have to be 24 bit? You're feeding it an analog signal, for it to run through it's own ADC. AFAIK, there is no difference (from the patching recorder's point of view) between an anlog signal coming from a 16 bit device and an analog signal coming from a 24 bit device. Analog is analog. Am I wrong?
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You are correct, sir.
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can the deck work with 8gb cards, as anyone tested it with results
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Why would the recorder you're giving the patch to have to be 24 bit? You're feeding it an analog signal, for it to run through it's own ADC. AFAIK, there is no difference (from the patching recorder's point of view) between an anlog signal coming from a 16 bit device and an analog signal coming from a 24 bit device. Analog is analog. Am I wrong?
matt, the 671 doesn't have a true analog out, ala the ua5. the signal has to pass through the a/d; atleast that's what doug said.
Correct. However, to give an analog out (headphones, RCA's) the signal must also pass through a DAC. Whether or not it's a "true" analog out or not has nothing to do with what type of recorder it can be recived by (the original question I was answering). As I said before, analog is analog and if your recorder can take an analog signal, it will be able to patch into the 671, without having to be a 24 bit recorder. I have fed both my Archos Gmini400 (16 bit) and my D5 (analog) with my 671. Yes, the signal went through the 671's ADC and then DAC and probably gained some artifacts in the process by not being a true analog pass-through, but each box took the signal just fine.
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can the deck work with 8gb cards, as anyone tested it with results
Jon, I haven't heard of anybody successfully using an 8 GB card yet. Doug Oade told me it should work, but you would have to format the card on a computer so the 671 can use all 8 GB.
Please, if anyone has more info on this share...
It's not a deal breaker for me, I love my ACM 671, but the lack usabilty at higher sample rates would suck. Though, I am completely happy at 24 bit/ 44.1 kHz right now. My playback/ ears combo doesn't hear the advantage at this point moving up from that.
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for those wanting to hear the 414 > 671 combo, I have a Cracker show up on etree right now
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=26440
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so lemme get this right? the headphone and rca outs are analog, so why does it matter if the recorder patching out of it is 24-bit? the headphone amp is digital?
just wondering
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so lemme get this right? the headphone and rca outs are analog, so why does it matter if the recorder patching out of it is 24-bit? the headphone amp is digital?
just wondering
I'm confused as well....all I want to know is if I hook the 671 up to my car stereo with a 1/8 to 1/8 mini cable from the headphone jack, will it play through it? I would go test it right now, but the radio is fried. I'm going to get another tomorrow and want to know if I should get one that has the aux in on it.
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so lemme get this right? the headphone and rca outs are analog, so why does it matter if the recorder patching out of it is 24-bit? the headphone amp is digital?
just wondering
I'm confused as well....all I want to know is if I hook the 671 up to my car stereo with a 1/8 to 1/8 mini cable from the headphone jack, will it play through it? I would go test it right now, but the radio is fried. I'm going to get another tomorrow and want to know if I should get one that has the aux in on it.
Why run a feed out of the headphone jack, when you can get a signal with the proper impedence and voltage out of the analog RCA outputs? Is it so you can control the level with the headphone volume control?
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yes, that would work, but chuck is right - you should use the rca outs on the 671 for that purpose...
i have seen car stereos with a front facing dual rca jack, which would be exactly what you would need (although rca > mini would work fine, too)...
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I ran split omnis tonight for the first time. tracking it out now.
AKG 482 > Oade ACM Marantz PMD-671
hopefully i'll have it posted in an hour or so.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=26660
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I ran split omnis tonight for the first time. tracking it out now.
AKG 482 > Oade ACM Marantz PMD-671
hopefully i'll have it posted in an hour or so.
It is now officially a race ;D
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bring it :lol:
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Can someone please tell me the difference in 24 bit versus e24? I lost the insert that came with the manual.
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i have the manual in front of me. i dont have an insert.
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i have the manual in front of me. i dont have an insert.
Mine came with an extra page that was not bound in with the rest. I was just floating around on top. It said something about this e24/24e thing.
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wish i could help. sorry.
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i have the manual in front of me. i dont have an insert.
Mine came with an extra page that was not bound in with the rest. I was just floating around on top. It said something about this e24/24e thing.
mine is less than 2 months old and I don't recall getting an insert with mine either. I'll check tonight, though.
Tommy
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i have the manual in front of me. i dont have an insert.
Mine came with an extra page that was not bound in with the rest. I was just floating around on top. It said something about this e24/24e thing.
mine is less than 2 months old and I don't recall getting an insert with mine either. I'll check tonight, though.
Tommy
Yep, there were 2. One about the e24 thing and another about the PMD edit software. Any ideas on the e24 thing? I have no idea what the difference is.
Looks like the 24e is a new bwav format for broadcasting. Still not sure what the difference is.
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i have the manual in front of me. i dont have an insert.
Mine came with an extra page that was not bound in with the rest. I was just floating around on top. It said something about this e24/24e thing.
mine is less than 2 months old and I don't recall getting an insert with mine either. I'll check tonight, though.
Tommy
Yep, there were 2. One about the e24 thing and another about the PMD edit software. Any ideas on the e24 thing? I have no idea what the difference is.
Looks like the 24e is a new bwav format for broadcasting. Still not sure what the difference is.
From the announcement thread RE: 24e vs. 24 (or wav really)
The only "problem" with the 671 when it first came out, is that the .wav files that it saved were not recognized by most programs. Marantz had implemented a new .wav file format developed by Microsoft. Only problem is that most programs can't read it. This could be bypassed by opening the file in CD Wave, and then resaving with the "alternate 24-bit format" option checked. However, the issue is now moot, because Marantz has fixed it with a firmware update.
This was the way I remember folks were able to determine if the firmware had been updated by marantz. if it had 24e as a file type selection it meant that the firmware was updated and the difference between the 2 formats was one was the newer .wav format and the other was the older more recognized format.
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Here’s what mine says.
There are two types of 24-bit PCM formats available in the PMD671. ‘24” is the standard PCM ID type, compatible with the majority of software based editing suites, and “e24” is the new extensive ID type that allows for playback of 24-bit files in Microsoft’s windows media player.
Ron……
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I've been debating jumping on one of these. are you still happy with yours mike? the 4 gb cards are at 97.50 and the 8 gb ones are at 197.50 from the same seller you bought yours from. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlasvegas_qtpieQQhtZ-1
fwiw, it looks like if you pay 6.50 for shipping (instead of free) you can avoid the two week ::) delay and get it reasonably fast via priority mail. seems like it's worth the extra 6.50 for the quick ship in this case.
any other nicely priced cards out there that I should be considering besides the one above?
I currently have a kingston 4 gb/50x card that's worked flawlessly, but I need a second one and am just checking out my options.......
The ship time sucked, they shipped it the day after I inquired about if/when the item had been shipped (little over 2 weeks later).
That being said, if I wasn't pressed for time to get a card and just wanted another 4GB because you might need it in the future I'd buy from them again, just be sure to follow up.
It seems to work flawlessly in my 671 and my Nikon D70 (so far), 4GB that's stable @ 24/96 for $100 bux, I'm totally happy with it. I was considering getting a pqi card from newegg.com when they had them last year, but since the Kingston cards seemed to be working good for people and Dell had a great deal on them I went that route.
I wish this CF media was easier to find out WHO made it, I suspect some of these brands like pqi and others might be made by the same people as the big name brands (kind of like cd-r media).
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i know this is a 671 thread, but im gonna grab an 8GB card for the 722 for non-festie shows, that way i ALWAYS have a reliable backup ;D
wonder if those PQI 8GB cards work in the 722 ??? if they work in the 671 i'll bet the farm they work in the 722 8)
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anyone have problems when an external battery starts to drain? Recording this weekend was awesome till I swapped batteries (wal-mart 9V) Listening to the last 4 acts that played, I started losing levels about 1/3 of the way of the second act with the fresh battery. Levels keep dropping off all through the last act.
does this sound like a battery issue to you guys?
Tommy
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Sounds like your phantom-power supply was dropping...um, maybe.... just a guess. Maybe your battery wasn't as fresh as you thought or it's going bad.
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anyone have problems when an external battery starts to drain? Recording this weekend was awesome till I swapped batteries (wal-mart 9V) Listening to the last 4 acts that played, I started losing levels about 1/3 of the way of the second act with the fresh battery. Levels keep dropping off all through the last act.
does this sound like a battery issue to you guys?
Tommy
Hmmm... My experience is that the when the batteries die, the recorder shuts off. I haven't experienced the record level dropping.
Is your Walmart 9v really 9v DC? or is it the 7.2v version? We have heard that the 9v works, not sure about the 7.2v...
...anybody?
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anyone have problems when an external battery starts to drain? Recording this weekend was awesome till I swapped batteries (wal-mart 9V) Listening to the last 4 acts that played, I started losing levels about 1/3 of the way of the second act with the fresh battery. Levels keep dropping off all through the last act.
does this sound like a battery issue to you guys?
Tommy
Hmmm... My experience is that the when the batteries die, the recorder shuts off. I haven't experienced the record level dropping.
Is your Walmart 9v really 9v DC? or is it the 7.2v version? We have heard that the 9v works, not sure about the 7.2v...
...anybody?
definately 9V...same as the first battery that lasted close to 6 hours. After I changed the first act is fine and starts dropping after that. I'm gonna give the battery a fresh charge and give it a run test soon.
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anyone have problems when an external battery starts to drain? Recording this weekend was awesome till I swapped batteries (wal-mart 9V) Listening to the last 4 acts that played, I started losing levels about 1/3 of the way of the second act with the fresh battery. Levels keep dropping off all through the last act.
does this sound like a battery issue to you guys?
Tommy
either a battery or mic issue imo. are the drops in dB drastic ones or more of a gradual decrease?
more of a decrease. by the end of the last act, I was down to practically no levels. (which makes me think that it was the batterty.) I noticed that the right channel had dropped some, so I thought maybe the mic had been turned a little or something. Stereo matched mics, so I don't really have to adjust anything seperatly. didn't think much else about it, but last night after transferring is when I noticed exactly how bad it was. If I wasn't computer stupid I would screenshot some of the levels for you.
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it started in one channel and when it was all said and done it was both channels.
when I get home tonight I'll try and figure out how to post some screenshots.
thanks for the input guys!!
T's all around!
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FWIW, If you are on a PC and what to do a screen capture....
Get the image on screen that you want to capture, hit the "screen print" button on the upper row of keys. Then open MS Word to a blank new document. With the cursor on the page, press "CTRL" and the letter "V" at the same time to paste the image into the MS Word document. Save that document.
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FWIW, If you are on a PC and what to do a screen capture....
Get the image on screen that you want to capture, hit the "screen print" button on the upper row of keys. Then open MS Word to a blank new document. With the cursor on the page, press "CTRL" and the letter "V" at the same time to paste the image into the MS Word document. Save that document.
I'll try when I get home. thanks!!
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anyone have problems when an external battery starts to drain? Recording this weekend was awesome till I swapped batteries (wal-mart 9V) Listening to the last 4 acts that played, I started losing levels about 1/3 of the way of the second act with the fresh battery. Levels keep dropping off all through the last act.
does this sound like a battery issue to you guys?
Tommy
Hmmm... My experience is that the when the batteries die, the recorder shuts off. I haven't experienced the record level dropping.
Is your Walmart 9v really 9v DC? or is it the 7.2v version? We have heard that the 9v works, not sure about the 7.2v...
...anybody?
Those were my thoughts as well.
I DO have mine set to Auto Power off. Is yours set to auto power-off Chuck?
Tom, hold down the Menu/Store button until you see Preset flashing then use the F.FWD/+ button (press 4 times) and it should display A.PowOff, does it say Yes or No below it?
In auto shut-down it'll save the file before it runs out of juice, I haven't tried running it down without the auto power-off so I have no idea what it'lll do.
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what has me confused is that the battery level indicator,after the show, still had 1 green light on it.
I'll try and get something up tonite and let you guys look at it.
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anyone have problems when an external battery starts to drain? Recording this weekend was awesome till I swapped batteries (wal-mart 9V) Listening to the last 4 acts that played, I started losing levels about 1/3 of the way of the second act with the fresh battery. Levels keep dropping off all through the last act.
does this sound like a battery issue to you guys?
Tommy
Hmmm... My experience is that the when the batteries die, the recorder shuts off. I haven't experienced the record level dropping.
Is your Walmart 9v really 9v DC? or is it the 7.2v version? We have heard that the 9v works, not sure about the 7.2v...
...anybody?
Those were my thoughts as well.
I DO have mine set to Auto Power off. Is yours set to auto power-off Chuck?
Tom, hold down the Menu/Store button until you see Preset flashing then use the F.FWD/+ button (press 4 times) and it should display A.PowOff, does it say Yes or No below it?
In auto shut-down it'll save the file before it runs out of juice, I haven't tried running it down without the auto power-off so I have no idea what it'lll do.
I just checked. Mine says "No"
What's the skinny on that again?
I thought it determined whether the deck shuts down after a cetrtain amount of time. ??? To that I just say no! I guess I'll have to get the manual out again.
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lets try this..
edit...didn't work.........I'm an idiot
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anyone have problems when an external battery starts to drain? Recording this weekend was awesome till I swapped batteries (wal-mart 9V) Listening to the last 4 acts that played, I started losing levels about 1/3 of the way of the second act with the fresh battery. Levels keep dropping off all through the last act.
does this sound like a battery issue to you guys?
Tommy
Hmmm... My experience is that the when the batteries die, the recorder shuts off. I haven't experienced the record level dropping.
Is your Walmart 9v really 9v DC? or is it the 7.2v version? We have heard that the 9v works, not sure about the 7.2v...
...anybody?
Those were my thoughts as well.
I DO have mine set to Auto Power off. Is yours set to auto power-off Chuck?
Tom, hold down the Menu/Store button until you see Preset flashing then use the F.FWD/+ button (press 4 times) and it should display A.PowOff, does it say Yes or No below it?
In auto shut-down it'll save the file before it runs out of juice, I haven't tried running it down without the auto power-off so I have no idea what it'lll do.
I just checked. Mine says "No"
What's the skinny on that again?
I thought it determined whether the deck shuts down after a cetrtain amount of time. ??? To that I just say no! I guess I'll have to get the manual out again.
Nevermind Chuck, "If the 671 is not operated for 30 minutes during stop or play pause, power is automatically shut off to conserve battery life when A.PowOff is set to Yes"
I was thinking it was a safe shut-down in the event of low power. I still think the unit saves before shut-down, but I'm not positive on that. I've used it to transfer some dats and had it shut down because I forgot to plug it in (was just running off internals) and the file was there.
I say rig it up at home with weak batteries and see what the symptoms are in reguards to phantom power, see if it drops off. It might vary from internal/external batteries. The only external bats I have are 12v SLA's, so my test wouldn't tell you much, you'd probably want to run a 9v battery for a better test since a weak 12v is still above 9v. I shouldn't have sold all my wally world 9v's, oh well.
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tommy- is it possible that heat was an issue? just curious, as it had to have been over 100*.
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tommy- is it possible that heat was an issue? just curious, as it had to have been over 100*.
it was pretty warm in the bag. but,when all this was going down, it was dark and not as hot.
when I get some time, I'm gonna run test both batteries again and see what happens. Hopefully can get it done before panic.
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Tonight I'm going to run mk4>psp3>671. I'd like to run xlr out of the psp3 and in to the xlr on the 671. I'm wondering if this will work? Can you run line in on the xlr? If so, would I switch it to mic in or line in? Any help or alternate setups are apreciated.
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ideally, you would run line in via rca's.
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ideally, you would run line in via rca's.
I agree. Definately run the pad if you decide to go in through the XLR's though...
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ideally, you would run line in via rca's.
I agree. Definately run the pad if you decide to go in through the XLR's though...
wound up running 1/8th to rca. It worked out fine. Thanks.
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hi guys
i am reserching a 671 for myself
one question i had which i didn't see posted anywhere....
if you get a oade mod 671 it voids the warranty
if you need to send it in for firmware how is that effected if at all?
thanks
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i have two 671's ( 1 stock/ 1 oade) neither have been sent in for firmware updates and both record flawlessly. i dont think there is an issue.
YMMV.
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you have TWO???
wow.
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you have to buy directly from Marantz.
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Or buy one from Radio Shack and modify it slightly ;D
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anyone running schempz in front of the ACM 671?
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anyone running schempz in front of the ACM 671?
noone?
I'm gonna give the mk21's a run up front for panic......we'll see how that goes.
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Quick question guys. Do you recommend getting any upgrades to the 671 if I'm going to be doing m148>671? Looking on the Oade's website it looks like the mods only effect the mic pre's and what not. I may be over looking something.
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Quick question guys. Do you recommend getting any upgrades to the 671 if I'm going to be doing m148>671? Looking on the Oade's website it looks like the mods only effect the mic pre's and what not. I may be over looking something.
I believe the self-noise of the unit is improved slightly, but not much else.
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Quick question guys. Do you recommend getting any upgrades to the 671 if I'm going to be doing m148>671? Looking on the Oade's website it looks like the mods only effect the mic pre's and what not. I may be over looking something.
Harrison, are you going to get a 671?
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Mmmm.....
148>671
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Quick question guys. Do you recommend getting any upgrades to the 671 if I'm going to be doing m148>671? Looking on the Oade's website it looks like the mods only effect the mic pre's and what not. I may be over looking something.
Harrison, are you going to get a 671?
Thinking about it Chuck. I wan't to know though if I should get an Oade mod when I will only be doing m148>671 not mics>671. I would rather not spend the extra $ right now on the mods.
Harrison
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Quick question guys. Do you recommend getting any upgrades to the 671 if I'm going to be doing m148>671? Looking on the Oade's website it looks like the mods only effect the mic pre's and what not. I may be over looking something.
Harrison, are you going to get a 671?
Thinking about it Chuck. I wan't to know though if I should get an Oade mod when I will only be doing m148>671 not mics>671. I would rather not spend the extra $ right now on the mods.
Harrison
you can always add the mod later.
I have access to a 148 here in Memphis and could probably run it with my ACM 671 for something around here for you.
Tommy
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just get the stock one for now. i will run 463>148>671 for wsp this weekend. you will like.
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just get the stock one for now. i will run 463>148>671 for wsp this weekend. you will like.
You postin this? Love to hear it.
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I'll be running mk21 > cmc6 > KC5 > m148 > ACM 671 this weekend as well.
might run AKG 414 xls > m148 > ACM 671 saturday night......don't know yet.
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just get the stock one for now. i will run 463>148>671 for wsp this weekend. you will like.
You postin this? Love to hear it.
of course.
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One thing I've noticed, the spdif in isn't very robust. It's already wiggling around a little bit. My dap1 seems a lot more sturdy. Anybody know of a low profile right angle spdif that would give me more strain relief. Right now I'm using the Zaolla with the locking ends and I pretty much hate it. ANy suggestions are appreciated.
-Kevin
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One thing I've noticed, the spdif in isn't very robust. It's already wiggling around a little bit. My dap1 seems a lot more sturdy. Anybody know of a low profile right angle spdif that would give me more strain relief. Right now I'm using the Zaolla with the locking ends and I pretty much hate it. ANy suggestions are appreciated.
-Kevin
ever tried analog in? just curious. i cant help as i have only run mic/line in.
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couldnt you run 148 or any pre>mic-in to the acm to take advantage of the mods and run the -20db pad or something?
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couldnt you run 148 or any pre>mic-in to the acm to take advantage of the mods and run the -20db pad or something?
sure you could, but thats pre>pre. so, its not exactly ideal. xlr>rca is how i roll. fwiw, i ALWAYS run the pad.
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couldnt you run 148 or any pre>mic-in to the acm to take advantage of the mods and run the -20db pad or something?
sure you could, but thats pre>pre. so, its not exactly ideal. xlr>rca is how i roll. fwiw, i ALWAYS run the pad.
RCA's is what I'd do to. I just talked to Doug and he said the mods would not make a huge differnce with what I'm doing so I think I'll just get a stock one if I go for the 671. I'm still up in the air about it though ???
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couldnt you run 148 or any pre>mic-in to the acm to take advantage of the mods and run the -20db pad or something?
sure you could, but thats pre>pre. so, its not exactly ideal. xlr>rca is how i roll. fwiw, i ALWAYS run the pad.
RCA's is what I'd do to. I just talked to Doug and he said the mods would not make a huge differnce with what I'm doing so I think I'll just get a stock one if I go for the 671. I'm still up in the air about it though ???
So far, there really isn't anything I don't like about the ACM PMD671. If I wanted to dig deep, I'd say I wish it had gain trims like the V3, but that is about it. Anyway, Harrison, if you want to loan mine for a bit, let me know. It's great all in one. Personally I wanted to get away from having a bag full of different boxes. Now all I do is set everything up and hit the red slider when the band comes on. If I hit the slider a second late, I'm covered, because the 671 pre-records a little bit for you. The meters are great too. I love this thing...
Chuck
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couldnt you run 148 or any pre>mic-in to the acm to take advantage of the mods and run the -20db pad or something?
sure you could, but thats pre>pre. so, its not exactly ideal. xlr>rca is how i roll. fwiw, i ALWAYS run the pad.
RCA's is what I'd do to. I just talked to Doug and he said the mods would not make a huge differnce with what I'm doing so I think I'll just get a stock one if I go for the 671. I'm still up in the air about it though ???
So far, there really isn't anything I don't like about the ACM PMD671. If I wanted to dig deep, I'd say I wish it had gain trims like the V3, but that is about it. Anyway, Harrison, if you want to loan mine for a bit, let me know. It's great all in one. Personally I wanted to get away from having a bag full of different boxes. Now all I do is set everything up and hit the red slider when the band comes on. If I hit the slider a second late, I'm covered, because the 671 pre-records a little bit for you. The meters are great too. I love this thing...
Chuck
i feel you chuck, i LOVE the grace in front of the 722 but when i feel lazy, all i need are mics/cables/shocks and the 722, doesnt get any easier than an all-in-one ;D
life is sweet w/ all these new boxes and the 24-bit clairty is AMAZING ;D
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and after runninh 24/96 and 24/48, im gonna start running 24/44.1 so my 2GB limit can get more music and not have to do so much copying/pastying in post fater being recorded, w/ 24/44.1, i can just open the 2GB chunk in wavelab and dither and track, rather than cutting up in chunks, then resample/then dither then track
anyway
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and after runninh 24/96 and 24/48, im gonna start running 24/44.1 so my 2GB limit can get more music and not have to do so much copying/pastying in post fater being recorded, w/ 24/44.1, i can just open the 2GB chunk in wavelab and dither and track, rather than cutting up in chunks, then resample/then dither then track
anyway
I came to the same conclusion with 24 bit, 44.1 kHz being my default 24 bit setting. I'm still not sold on 24 bit to be honest. I still like the convenience of 16 bit. I definately hear a sonic difference between 16 bit and 24 bit, I'm just not sure it's enough to justify recording at the increased bit rate at this time for me. I'll keep experimenting with 24 bit for sure.
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and after runninh 24/96 and 24/48, im gonna start running 24/44.1 so my 2GB limit can get more music and not have to do so much copying/pastying in post fater being recorded, w/ 24/44.1, i can just open the 2GB chunk in wavelab and dither and track, rather than cutting up in chunks, then resample/then dither then track
anyway
I came to the same conclusion with 24 bit, 44.1 kHz being my default 24 bit setting. I'm still not sold on 24 bit to be honest. I still like the convenience of 16 bit. I definately hear a sonic difference between 16 bit and 24 bit, I'm just not sure it's enough to justify recording at the increased bit rate at this time for me. I'll keep experimenting with 24 bit for sure.
its all about playback, i cant really hear the diff now w/ my current playback, but IMO the 16-bit recording benefits from it because of the added detail in the 24-bit source
i still think its worth it in the long run, especially after upgradingthe playback and enjoying DVD-A discs :)
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Has anyone done a comparison recording between the ACM 671 and ACM 660 ???
I wonder if they sound nearly identical or if there are differences?
Essentially I got the 671 because of the 24 bit ability.
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these all in one 24bit boxes certainly are nice.
i still think that a well recorded (ie: peaking around +2db) 16bit recording is every bit as good as your run of the mill 24bit recording that peaks at -6db due to the "because I can" factor. Think back to the V3. could you ever hear those "over" moments?
I couldn't w/my 671. I couldn't w/my 660, and that thing I ran wayyyy HOT.
still, i record at 24/44 and listen to it at that resolution. I record like its 16bit though, and keep my peaks pretty hot. I can hear a difference.....but its minimal and completely unnecessary for PA recordings played back on my stereo. I get just as much enjoyment from 16bit.
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Ran into the same problems I had a few weeks ago with the levels on the 671 fading away. Saturday at the panic I was getting practically no levels at all. Cut the -20db off and they did pick up, but still low. I spoke with Doug this morning and it's going back to him for a once over.
I'll keep you guys updated.
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yep...it did suck. nothing like being setup FOB and not get levels. and to top it all off----all of these 722's staring me in the face. I was planning on showing all those guys up :P
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http://www.nickspicks.com/mp3/D.WAV
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Ran into the same problems I had a few weeks ago with the levels on the 671 fading away. Saturday at the panic I was getting practically no levels at all. Cut the -20db off and they did pick up, but still low. I spoke with Doug this morning and it's going back to him for a once over.
I'll keep you guys updated.
How far into the set (record time) were you and which mics were you running? What type/capacity of batteries?
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Ran into the same problems I had a few weeks ago with the levels on the 671 fading away. Saturday at the panic I was getting practically no levels at all. Cut the -20db off and they did pick up, but still low. I spoke with Doug this morning and it's going back to him for a once over.
I'll keep you guys updated.
How far into the set (record time) were you and which mics were you running? What type/capacity of batteries?
before the show I was getting setup to go to the front and wasn't getting hardly any levels. At the start of the show I was still getting nothing. I gave up mid way through the first set. I was running mk21 >KC5 > cmc6 and powering with the 9V wally 5400mah battery.
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Ran into the same problems I had a few weeks ago with the levels on the 671 fading away. Saturday at the panic I was getting practically no levels at all. Cut the -20db off and they did pick up, but still low. I spoke with Doug this morning and it's going back to him for a once over.
I'll keep you guys updated.
How far into the set (record time) were you and which mics were you running? What type/capacity of batteries?
before the show I was getting setup to go to the front and wasn't getting hardly any levels. At the start of the show I was still getting nothing. I gave up mid way through the first set. I was running mk21 >KC5 > cmc6 and powering with the 9V wally 5400mah battery.
I was under the impression you had good levels and then they started to fade. Either way I'd like to know what the issue is, hopefully it's a rare problem, unfortunately you have to deal with it... :-\
+t for the troubles, keep us updated.
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Ran into the same problems I had a few weeks ago with the levels on the 671 fading away. Saturday at the panic I was getting practically no levels at all. Cut the -20db off and they did pick up, but still low. I spoke with Doug this morning and it's going back to him for a once over.
I'll keep you guys updated.
How far into the set (record time) were you and which mics were you running? What type/capacity of batteries?
before the show I was getting setup to go to the front and wasn't getting hardly any levels. At the start of the show I was still getting nothing. I gave up mid way through the first set. I was running mk21 >KC5 > cmc6 and powering with the 9V wally 5400mah battery.
Did you put a VOM to the battery to see if it was putting out enough voltage?
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Ran into the same problems I had a few weeks ago with the levels on the 671 fading away. Saturday at the panic I was getting practically no levels at all. Cut the -20db off and they did pick up, but still low. I spoke with Doug this morning and it's going back to him for a once over.
I'll keep you guys updated.
How far into the set (record time) were you and which mics were you running? What type/capacity of batteries?
before the show I was getting setup to go to the front and wasn't getting hardly any levels. At the start of the show I was still getting nothing. I gave up mid way through the first set. I was running mk21 >KC5 > cmc6 and powering with the 9V wally 5400mah battery.
Did you put a VOM to the battery to see if it was putting out enough voltage?
no....but I did try a total of 3 batteries......all fully charged that day.
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here's the 414's from the section....first night
http://digitalpanic.org/bittorrent/showthread.php?t=14673
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hey Tommy did you ever run the schoeps?
I'm considering mk4 > kc5 > cmc6 > ACM 671 as my next venture.
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hey Tommy did you ever run the schoeps?
I'm considering mk4 > kc5 > cmc6 > ACM 671 as my next venture.
:jawdrop:
Thinking of leaving Team AKG, Lee?
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not really, just want low pro really bad. I also just want to see what this set up sounds like. i'd hang on to my AKGs until the "Actives Project" is finished.
if anybody wants to loan these to me for a couple of weeks i'll gladly cover insurance and shipping both ways.
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I've searched and I know having 2 4gb cards is better than 1 8gb card, but anyone succesfully gotten the 671 to properly read an 8 gb card?
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hey Tommy did you ever run the schoeps?
I'm considering mk4 > kc5 > cmc6 > ACM 671 as my next venture.
no..that was the night the 671 messed up on me. :'(
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I've searched and I know having 2 4gb cards is better than 1 8gb card, but anyone succesfully gotten the 671 to properly read an 8 gb card?
why would the ability to run 4 continuous hours of 24/96 be a worse option than running two two hour chips?
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Most of the stuff i tape is less than an hour and a half. Having 2 cards if one fails I can still run. But if the 671 can't recognize an 8gb card it is a moot issue. Which is why i asked the question.
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I've searched and I know having 2 4gb cards is better than 1 8gb card, but anyone succesfully gotten the 671 to properly read an 8 gb card?
one person previously tried with a sandisk(?) and failed, formatiing it both in a comp and in the 671. (it only recognized it as 4gb)
however marantz and doug say it will work if the card is formatted in a comp, but no one has tried it yet besides that one time.
once the 8gb cards drop in price I'm sure more of us will give it a go with various brands, but for now they are too expensive (for me atleast) to drop the coin and experiment. I currently have a 2gb and 4gb kingston and both work flawlessly fwiw.
so, as of now, I don't think a sandisk 8gb will work.
Sandisk Ultra II did not format in the 671. I didn't have a card reader at the time to try it.
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if somebody wants to send me a 8gb card, i will be happy to try it. :P
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OK, I finally have the funds for a 671 and plan to order from Oade so I can have the ACM mod done later. I plan to run MBHOs->V2->671. Is this the right thing to do?Am I making a mistake? (and no I don't have funds for a 722)
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correct, no computer format. just the 671
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OK, I finally have the funds for a 671 and plan to order from Oade so I can have the ACM mod done later. I plan to run MBHOs->V2->671. Is this the right thing to do?Am I making a mistake? (and no I don't have funds for a 722)
sell the V2 and mini-me and get the 671
did I just say that?
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OK, I finally have the funds for a 671 and plan to order from Oade so I can have the ACM mod done later. I plan to run MBHOs->V2->671. Is this the right thing to do?Am I making a mistake? (and no I don't have funds for a 722)
sell the V2 and mini-me and get the 671
did I just say that?
Until I have the mod done I was going to use the V2 and go line in. The mini-me is leaving today.
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OK, I finally have the funds for a 671 and plan to order from Oade so I can have the ACM mod done later. I plan to run MBHOs->V2->671. Is this the right thing to do?Am I making a mistake? (and no I don't have funds for a 722)
sell the V2 and mini-me and get the 671
did I just say that?
Until I have the mod done I was going to use the V2 and go line in. The mini-me is leaving today.
why not sell the V2 and go ahead and get the ACM?
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I have to keep the V2 for doing matrixs, the preamp on the Mackie 1202VLZ are less than stellar.
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I have to keep the V2 for doing matrixs, the preamp on the Mackie 1202VLZ are less than stellar.
gotcha.
stock 671 and upgrade later.
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i'd love to buy that v2.....should you ever want to sell.
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Me too.
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update on my problem.
Spoke with Doug this morning and he could not find anything wrong with it. He has decided that the problem lies within the 9V wally battery. He told me that the unit needs at least 12V to power the phantom power and as the voltage started dropping on the 9V this was causing the levels to slowly fade away. He recommended me using at least a 12V as an external source and using either Energizer or Duracell for the internals.
is anyone running a 9V wal-mart battery besides me?
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is anyone running a 9V wal-mart battery besides me?
: raises hand :
me too. uh oh.
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is anyone running a 9V wal-mart battery besides me?
: raises hand :
have you had any problems with it?
At Mphis panic I tried 3 different 9V to no avail. -- only had the problem occur one time before and that was towards the end of the night of the festival. So it makes since that the battery was draining and that's why I lost power.
I'm gonna start running internals only.
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is anyone running a 9V wal-mart battery besides me?
: raises hand :
have you had any problems with it?
no tommy, not a one. I've used four different ones too. I'm looking through the user manual trying to find if there is an acceptable voltage range listed but I can't find one.
Doug was pretty convinced that this was the problem. It may be the 414's causing it (they are twice as hungry as any other)
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is anyone running a 9V wal-mart battery besides me?
: raises hand :
have you had any problems with it?
no tommy, not a one. I've used four different ones too. I'm looking through the user manual trying to find if there is an acceptable voltage range listed but I can't find one.
Doug was pretty convinced that this was the problem. It may be the 414's causing it (they are twice as hungry as any other)
I agree, it's probably not the 671. I think you're the only one consisitently running LD mics into a 671 at the moment so you're definitely acting as guinea pig for the rest of us in that regard.
+t for your troubles bud. start stocking up on internals I guess.
+T backatcha
I'm gonna use Drew's/Trey's ACM this weekend and really want to try the 9V with theirs just to see.
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the only time i have run 9v was at wsp in st louis. everything was fine except i forgot to record the encore. no batt issues.
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I've ran the wally 9 volt several times with no problem however, I have switched to a 12 volt from battery geeks after reading this tread. My question is that using the sled with Nimh only provides 9.6 volts is this correct?
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I use external AA NiMh battery packs, a modified version of the internal sled with AA NiMh and on occasion a 12v SLA. I haven't used the 9v DVD batteries, as I'm a bit leary of using them after hearing things like this. They did work well with the Mini-Me, when I had that, though.
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I've ran the wally 9 volt several times with no problem however, I have switched to a 12 volt from battery geeks after reading this tread. My question is that using the sled with Nimh only provides 9.6 volts is this correct?
correct
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i am going back to AA's. anyone need 2 brand new 9v's?
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anyone need 2 brand new 9v's?
Kevin does.
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i am going back to AA's. anyone need 2 brand new 9v's?
are there any other external options, as in one with 15 volts output with enough juice to power that thing
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i bet a "laptop" battery(valence) like i used for the vaio would work.
are there any other external options, as in one with 15 volts output with enough juice to power that thing
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i am going back to AA's. anyone need 2 brand new 9v's?
are there any other external options, as in one with 15 volts output with enough juice to power that thing
there's a whole bunch of L-ion battery packs with 14.8 volts...
http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=898 (http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=898)
don't know if they'll work for sure, but I'd say there's a good chance.
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thanks for the link jason. t
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I'd say run 2 9v's and regulate from 18 down to 15v with a VR box type deal...
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no need to get fancy. they run excellent w/9v > 15v.
that includes a 10v, 12v, 14.xxv..etc.
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are there any other external options, as in one with 15 volts output with enough juice to power that thing
I am using 12V. Works great & is readily available. I've been running this for a some months now without a single issue. I am not using the pre in my 671, so of course there is a lot less load, but I don't think there would be a problem either way.
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are there any other external options, as in one with 15 volts output with enough juice to power that thing
I am using 12V. Works great & is readily available. I've been running this for a some months now without a single issue. I am not using the pre in my 671, so of course there is a lot less load, but I don't think there would be a problem either way.
SLA?
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are there any other external options, as in one with 15 volts output with enough juice to power that thing
I am using 12V. Works great & is readily available. I've been running this for a some months now without a single issue. I am not using the pre in my 671, so of course there is a lot less load, but I don't think there would be a problem either way.
SLA?
yep. i haven't gotten into any of them new-fangled lighweigt batteries just yet.
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are there any other external options, as in one with 15 volts output with enough juice to power that thing
I am using 12V. Works great & is readily available. I've been running this for a some months now without a single issue. I am not using the pre in my 671, so of course there is a lot less load, but I don't think there would be a problem either way.
SLA?
yep. i haven't gotten into any of them new-fangled lighweigt batteries just yet.
better late than never ;D
i still have ONE ecocharge 6v/7.2amp battery that i RARELY ever use to power the v3, i used it tonight for the hell of it, but i use 7.2v/3000mah NIMH batteries wired in parallel for more mah capacity, quicker to charge and alot less weight, you better get w/ the times ;D
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Guys,
Here's a nice neoprene sleeve that should fit your deck. :)
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=70669.0
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since the dial on the 671 is an attenuator, i've always assumed that running as close to wide open on it (as close to "10" with the -20 pad engaged) is the way to go. is this a correct assumption?
Yes, this is what Doug Oade told me.
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i just bit the bullet and bought a 45x 8gb kingston cf card, so we'll see if my 671 likes it or not and go from there.
Please let us know how tihs works out. I'm leaning towards one of these over the HDP2, but may not get it if 8GB cards don't work. Also, does anyone know what the Oades are asking for a stock 671?
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Thanks - I finally heard back from the Oades. They don't sell the 671 stock, so I guess it's $975.
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Thanks - I finally heard back from the Oades. They don't sell the 671 stock, so I guess it's $975.
Hmmm... that's strange. I bought mine from them stock. I believe it cost $850. They didn't have all the parts for the ACM mod, so I sent it back to them when the parts came in.
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I bought a stock unit about 6 weeks ago, it was 859.00 + shipping (planning to send it back in Nov). Call Doug as the stock unit is not on the Website.
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I'll give them a call, but this was what the email I got from them stated:
Prices for the 671 and HD-P2 are on the pages below, we do not sell the
671 stock and get 899.00 for a stock P2
http://www.oade.com/digital_recorders/hard_disc_recorders/PMD-671MODS.html
http://www.oade.com/digital_recorders/hard_disc_recorders/tascam_hd-p2_upgrade.html
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They must have changed their policy ???
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see the Team PMD-671 thread
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cant wait to hear the 24 bit. +t
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From what I've learned, it "should" work fine. But, of course I haven't actually used it. I have the 4GB Elite card.
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has anyone used a "standard" kingston 4gb card in their 671? im curious since i dont know how long ago the card i bought was manufactured, and have no idea what the speed is on the thing until i get it in my hands. ive actually never seen one like it.
Tim, run the speed test on the card once you recieve it. I have some old slow cards and a 45X Kingston, maybe your speed test results would give you an idea...
I posted a comparison of the PQI 4gb and Kingston 45X Elite card somewhere, I'll have to dig it up.
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from the impact zone:
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=73666.new#new (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=73666.new#new)
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Well my old Tamrac bag is showing some wear as some of the seams are splitting. It has been to countless shows and needs to be retired. Looking for suggestions for a replacement. Once Doug is healed the 671 will be sent in for the mod and won't be carrying round the V2 as much. What is the ideal bag for the 671, mics, clips, tbar, clamp etc. Is the porta brace worth the money?
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i totally think a PB bag is worth it if running a 722, def worth the protection and ease of mind, and i keep that in a nice padded laptop case that can still get in 'no backpack' venues ;D
but for running v2/3>722, i think the PB bags are worth it, no zippers to breaks and some heavy duty shit, and slots everywhere for cables
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Is the porta brace worth the money?
no.
instead, get the sleeve spyder turned us onto here: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=70669.0 and buy a mountainsmith cairn II here: http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?memberId=12500226&productId=39167388
for under $50 you'll have a great bag/sleeve combo and your 671 will be protected in padded, waterproof, neoprene.
I'm not sure about the sleeve idea. with a case the price is attractive, price is not what I am looking for. The current bag the cables are already hooked up. All I have to do is set fly mics and set levels. That is the appeal of the PB, but wth all the crap I carry, t-bar, clips, windscreens, flashlight etc., will the AR-PMD650 be large enough?
http://www.portabrace.com/product_detail_A.php?id=3341
Or do I need the AO-B5?
http://www.portabrace.com/product_detail_B.php?id=3549
M
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drive by truckers 10.27.06
463>m148>stock671@24/48
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=74530.0 (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=74530.0)
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comp of the 671 and P2
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=74545.0
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im on it. fwiw, i am picthing a shutout on my dbt torrent so far.
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im on it. fwiw, i am picthing a shutout on my dbt torrent so far.
I would get, but I know the person that recorded it ::)
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im on it. fwiw, i am picthing a shutout on my dbt torrent so far.
You pressured me into that download. >:(
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im on it. fwiw, i am picthing a shutout on my dbt torrent so far.
You pressured me into that download. >:(
I have some ocean front property in Arizona you may be interested in :P
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im on it. fwiw, i am picthing a shutout on my dbt torrent so far.
You pressured me into that download. >:(
its worth it. :)
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I ordered a ACM671 today.
I questioned Doug about battery run times.
He said he felt the people that have been having short run times was due to the battery pack having one cell that was weak.
He recommended a Lacrosse technology charger that would show the actual charge of each battery and not a charger with the lights that go off.
If one cell is weak it will greatly reduce run time. Said it is not uncommon to have one out of eight be weak and screw things up.
Told me I should be able to get 4 to 5 hours out of properly charged battery pack.
Info on the Lacrosse charger.
http://www.lacrossetechnology.com/900/index.php
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I ordered a ACM671 today.
I questioned Doug about battery run times.
He said he felt the people that have been having short run times was due to the battery pack having one cell that was weak.
He recommended a Lacrosse technology charger that would show the actual charge of each battery and not a charger with the lights that go off.
If one cell is weak it will greatly reduce run time. Said it is not uncommon to have one out of eight be weak and screw things up.
Told me I should be able to get 4 to 5 hours out of properly charged battery pack.
Info on the Lacrosse charger.
http://www.lacrossetechnology.com/900/index.php
+T for new toys....you will REALLY like it.
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80 bucks for a 4 batt charger? no thanks, its cheaper to buy new batts more often.
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80 bucks for a 4 batt charger? no thanks, its cheaper to buy new batts more often.
You can find them for less.
This place sells them for under $40.00
http://www.weatherconnection.com/product.asp?itmky=783778&s=froogle
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80 bucks for a 4 batt charger? no thanks, its cheaper to buy new batts more often.
You can find them for less.
This place sells them for under $40.00
http://www.weatherconnection.com/product.asp?itmky=783778&s=froogle
I have one of the LaCrosse chargers and I think it is worth it. Doug is right about the one battery can screw you up thing.
I have several battery packs I use to supplement the internal 671 battery pack. BTW, you can hot plug and unplug battery packs from the 671 external power jack, without losing power. As long as your internal battery pack is good, it work real well, just hot swaping them.
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80 bucks for a 4 batt charger? no thanks, its cheaper to buy new batts more often.
You can find them for less.
This place sells them for under $40.00
http://www.weatherconnection.com/product.asp?itmky=783778&s=froogle
ahh. thanks. thats more like it. too bad they are out of stock.
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80 bucks for a 4 batt charger? no thanks, its cheaper to buy new batts more often.
I love the fact that you can read how well the batteries are charged. I find new batteries actually don't charge that well the first few times around. I bought some new Energizers and they only charged to 1.2 Ah the first time. I then used the discharge/charge function on the Lacrosse they got up to 2.7 Ah each. It just took about 4 days.
The one low charged battery does cause run time issues. I know for sure it has happened twice when I had one battery charge to 1.3 Ah and I thought it would effect it that much. Both time I only had about 2.5 hours of run time.
Wish I would of bought mine for $40.
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another hot recording with a 671 in the mix: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=501566
Nice I think I'll go for it. Stole the quote marks for the below. Good reply.
this recording is very clean, and seems in the cswwet spot for this venue. Very nice seperation of bass and drums and the acoustic guitar comes out super clear; you can feel the strings on the set two start stuff. really well done. I am impressed.
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I'm confused by how you can review this recording since I haven't finished uploading it yet. Only two people have actually heard it; myself (the recordist) and my girlfriend.
You are definitely neither. :>
Seriously though, this is a strong recording and I'm sure you'll be pleased once you get the opportunity to ACTUALLY hear it.
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Tim
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i have never done that, but my gut says line in via rca's. i say try a song every way possible and see what sounds the best.
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i have never done that, but my gut says line in via rca's. i say try a song every way possible and see what sounds the best.
great advice, i agree
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my stock unit no longer works off internal power. i can only use internal power. which is not a problem, but i emailed doug, and he said send it to marantz since its under warranty. i will keep yall updated.
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you blew the fuse on the main board. its soldered on, so you cant really replace it yourself.
easy fix. 3 day turn around (if you ship "next day").
Marantz will return ship however it arrived, fyi.
I've done this twice.
be sure not to reverse polarity on that external battery !!
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most devices just wont power on. the Marantz has a fuse that cooks. Happened to me RIGHT after I got it back from Marantz after blowing the fuse fucking around at home w/a new battery setup. I get the deck back the day before RCMH in Sept. for Panic. while at the show....the fucking cable came apart in my bag as i'm getting it setup. I put the cable back together (backwards...in the dark) and blew the damn'd fuse again !!
I've since "Nick proofed" my battery and cable so that it can not be done incorrectly. I suggest the same to all owners.
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you blew the fuse on the main board. its soldered on, so you cant really replace it yourself.
easy fix. 3 day turn around (if you ship "next day").
Marantz will return ship however it arrived, fyi.
I've done this twice.
be sure not to reverse polarity on that external battery !!
:)
most devices just wont power on. the Marantz has a fuse that cooks. Happened to me RIGHT after I got it back from Marantz after blowing the fuse fucking around at home w/a new battery setup. I get the deck back the day before RCMH in Sept. for Panic. while at the show....the fucking cable came apart in my bag as i'm getting it setup. I put the cable back together (backwards...in the dark) and blew the damn'd fuse again !!
I've since "Nick proofed" my battery and cable so that it can not be done incorrectly. I suggest the same to all owners.
+t for the info.
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Do the Oade mods disable the RCA's? After reading a while in the 671 in the field threads I have not found a definitive answer. I think I remember Doug telling me on the phone that they do.
Do the Oades sell stock units anymore? In this very thread someone said they don’t anymore. My question is then I should just purchase it from somewhere else then? I found one on eBay brand new for $800. I will be running the brick in front of it exclusively and really do not see myself going mic in.
Does not having a 671 from the Oade’s hurt the resale value you think?
Harrison
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yes and no.
....and not by much. I dont know anything about a discontinuing of stock decks, either 671 or Tascam.
Maybe Doug can only get limited 671s and the damand for MODs is too great to sell the stock ones. I could see that.
$800 new is a good deal, imo.
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Do the Oade mods disable the RCA's? After reading a while in the 671 in the field threads I have not found a definitive answer. I think I remember Doug telling me on the phone that they do.
Do the Oades sell stock units anymore? In this very thread someone said they don’t anymore. My question is then I should just purchase it from somewhere else then? I found one on eBay brand new for $800. I will be running the brick in front of it exclusively and really do not see myself going mic in.
Does not having a 671 from the Oade’s hurt the resale value you think?
Harrison
Harrison, the RCA inputs remained usable on my ACM 671. You should be set either way.
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Anyone know if the Oade's are still selling stock 671's? I'll try calling them but it's been so busy at work lately I don't think I'll get a chance to in the next few days.
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Anyone know if the Oade's are still selling stock 671's? I'll try calling them but it's been so busy at work lately I don't think I'll get a chance to in the next few days.
shoot doug an email.
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Anyone know if the Oade's are still selling stock 671's? I'll try calling them but it's been so busy at work lately I don't think I'll get a chance to in the next few days.
shoot doug an email.
Thanks! I totally did'nt think of that for some reason.
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He has not responded to my email the last two weeks....fwiw.
Dutch..you just need to buy mine and be done w/it.
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batteries...CF card..., the "oade options"....can't go wrong!
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He has not responded to my email the last two weeks....fwiw.
Dutch..you just need to buy mine and be done w/it.
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batteries...CF card..., the "oade options"....can't go wrong!
Thats funny, he responded to my email on friday. He was closed 12/23-1/3.
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Got a response back. They do sell stock units. I think I'm going to that route. Sorry again Nick but I think I should just go new.
Harrison
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ANYONE RUNNING v2 > 671?
I'm gonna try ck61 > JKLabs > V2 (rca out) > ACM 671 tonight for Oteil and was needing some opinions on how hot to run the V2
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i *think* ghengis khan cougar mellancamp did/does but i havent seem him around in a while.
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ANYONE RUNNING v2 > 671?
I'm gonna try ck61 > JKLabs > V2 (rca out) > ACM 671 tonight for Oteil and was needing some opinions on how hot to run the V2
I was running V2 > Stock 671 line in from the rca outs. I ran the V2 just the same as I did with the V2>mini-me. Just to the point where the over lights on the V2 start to flicker, During loud passages. Would start at about 30 on the dial with 603A/200 in clubs. Nutter had some documentation up a a while ago but don't see it now.
I just pulled my manual out, "red indicates a peak level which is 10db before clipping.." The link is:
http://www.gracedesign.com/support/v2_manual_a.pdf
My ACM arrives tommorow.
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Quick question... If I'm using NIMH rechargable AA's do I select NIMH or Alkaline? I assume the NIMH is for the battery Marantz sells but I just wanted to be sure. the manual does not say anything about this.
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i use the nimh setting. fwiw, the battery meter sucks. its stays full for a couple hours, then goes to half for a short time, then it blinks and your are dead within a couple minutes. too bad walmart batts dont work well.
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i use the nimh setting. fwiw, the battery meter sucks. its stays full for a couple hours, then goes to half for a short time, then it blinks and your are dead within a couple minutes. too bad walmart batts dont work well.
Thanks. I had it die on me at Zero this weekend. I was on the Alkaline setting. I tried the NIMH setting and it did the same thing. I then tried it again on the Alkaline setting and it went the full 4 hours of the card. I wonder what the deal is? I heard about the battery holster can come loose or something but I did a bunch of tests to see it that was the case and that does not seem to be the probelm.
FWIW a buddy of mine uses a DVD battery with no problems at all. I just bought one too and I'm pretty sure it will work. I'm pretty sure that the 671 can accept a pretty broad range of voltages.
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the dvd batts do work, but as they die they dont produce as much voltage. you cant use the batts all the way, if that makes sense. i have never had a sled malfunction and i own 2 units. just make sure you use well charged AA's and you should be fine. i use a dvd battery as a backup just in case the internals start to die.
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the dvd batts do work, but as they die they dont produce as much voltage. you cant use the batts all the way, if that makes sense. i have never had a sled malfunction and i own 2 units. just make sure you use well charged AA's and you should be fine. i use a dvd battery as a backup just in case the internals start to die.
The sled is def my problem. I gently took off the battery cover just now and the thing died. I have the worst luck :( I guess I'll see what Marantz says. I know a few epople had similar issues but I figured they had this fixed by now >:(
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i think the remedy to said problems was to shimmy something in between the sled and the side of cage. never had to personally though.
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i think the remedy to said problems was to shimmy something in between the sled and the side of cage. never had to personally though.
Weak, Weak sauce IMO. A brand new $900 piece of gear that has barely been used should not have any problems. I'm going to talk to Marantz about this shit.
Thanks for the help though :)
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well, even with its battery eccentricities, it is still a solid recorder (under 1.5k) once you come up w/ an appropriate solution. freshly charged aa's and dvd batt backup works well for me.
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also apparently there are shorter "nipples" on some rechargables out there. you just have to get the longer ones.
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,78279.msg1043497.html#msg1043497 (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,78279.msg1043497.html#msg1043497)
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these 3 threads have been very helpful in my decision to pick up nicks 671. thanks guys...can't wait to play with this thing! +t's
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i think the remedy to said problems was to shimmy something in between the sled and the side of cage. never had to personally though.
Weak, Weak sauce IMO. A brand new $900 piece of gear that has barely been used should not have any problems. I'm going to talk to Marantz about this shit.
Thanks for the help though :)
Harrison, I had the same problem in the beginning with my 671. I contacted Marantz and they had no solutions. I went to Radio Shack, bought the 8 AA sled they have, bent the connectors around a bit, removed the keying device from the stock sled and put it on the RS sled. Loaded it up with AA NiMH and the problem was solved.
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So my rechargables are on their last legs. Instead of getting new batteries right now i'm just gonna use my WalMart DVD batteries as backup. I had previously used them with my warm mod UA5. Will the same tip (M) fit the 671. I know I would have to reverse the tip as it is now since the 671 is center pin positive.
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sweetness!
+T
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also apparently there are shorter "nipples" on some rechargables out there. you just have to get the longer ones.
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,78279.msg1043497.html#msg1043497 (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,78279.msg1043497.html#msg1043497)
I'm using Powerex 2700mah batts. I wonder if they have the same thing with the shorter nipples as the Energizers? I have some Powerex 2500mah batts too so maybe I'll see if they do the same thing.
Harrison
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powerexes work for me. i just find the energizers locally.
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I called Marantz back and they said I had to go through Doug. I called Doug and he siad it is most likley becuase of the batteries and the positive tip being shorter. He said a good test is to use normal Alkalines to see if i have the same problem. I guess thats what I'll be doing tonight ::)
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fwiw, one time while recording, my rechargeables were crapping out. i sent my old lady to the store to get some regular AA's (generic), and they would not work because the nips were short. so, i am not saying they wont work. you just got to be leary of those.
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I'm super confused now, because I've heard the nips are short on the rechargeables because they have more capacity and the have to save space. If alkalines have the same thing then I have a bunk unit and I'm not going to stand for that shit. $900 to me is a lot of money to spend on something that doesn’t work at 100% of his capabilities. Doug recommended Duracell recharables. Maybe I'll see if those work. This is kind of starting to piss me off.
Sorry for all the complaining guys. It's been a rough month at work and my MBHO's are having problems too this is just kind of the straw that is breaking the camels back :P ::)
Edit: Thanks for your help Dre, +T!
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i didnt say none of them will work, just gotta to be careful. the box is so worth the money. trust me. as much as i trust doug's advice, i went against his suggestions on cf cards and batteries. yes, i had to learn the hard way on some battery related issues, but thats par for me.
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I use duracell and powerex. Now I have 2 battery sleds, one is modified with longer springs for better contact with the AA's. ALSO if your springs aren't coming into contact as well with the + ends, peel off some of the plastic around the + tip of the battery to expose more metal contact. Compare a recharge vs alkaline, they cover up everything but the tip on the + ends.
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