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Gear / Technical Help => Battery Boxes, Preamps, Mixers, ADCs, and Processors => Topic started by: Xpanding Man on June 16, 2005, 04:01:48 PM
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Hey now, my AD1000 has been acting a little weird. last gig, i looked down to notice that the signal lights were sweeping as if it were trying to find the signal and lock in, which it failed to do until i turned the unit off and on again. thing is, this happened DURING a recording, so it was fine to start the set, and then lost signal and couldn't find it until the unit was reset off/on. we wound up losing a (if i may say so myself) darn fine rendition of bela's 'lover's leap'
i have a feeling this might be because it was jostled by the other guitar player's foot, and i'm hoping to never see that fuitle signal-searching light activity again....i am curious if this is a warning of things to come....is word clock failure inevitable, or probable ? and does it go without warning out of the blue, or is it a gradual thing (with things like this to tell you that it's almost time to think about a V3 ) ?
this is the first time i've had any issues with my adk....any input is appreciated.
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that is the tell tale warning sign of a clock going bad in the old Apogee units
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Hey now, my AD1000 has been acting a little weird. last gig, i looked down to notice that the signal lights were sweeping as if it were trying to find the signal and lock in, which it failed to do until i turned the unit off and on again. thing is, this happened DURING a recording, so it was fine to start the set, and then lost signal and couldn't find it until the unit was reset off/on. we wound up losing a (if i may say so myself) darn fine rendition of bela's 'lover's leap'
i have a feeling this might be because it was jostled by the other guitar player's foot, and i'm hoping to never see that fuitle signal-searching light activity again....i am curious if this is a warning of things to come....is word clock failure inevitable, or probable ? and does it go without warning out of the blue, or is it a gradual thing (with things like this to tell you that it's almost time to think about a V3 ) ?
this is the first time i've had any issues with my adk....any input is appreciated.
on its way out for sure. I feel your pain. I had one die on me after ONE show. There's an adk with a new clock in the yard sale section.
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anyone know if there is a way to bypass the A/D section completley on one that the clock has gone out on? Use it as a pre only? The preamps are pretty good in that unit. Ive used them some but never owned one , so havent really sat down and checked one out completely. Lots of my fav panic tapes were made with AD1K's though....
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anyone know if there is a way to bypass the A/D section completley on one that the clock has gone out on? Use it as a pre only? The preamps are pretty good in that unit. Ive used them some but never owned one , so havent really sat down and checked one out completely. Lots of my fav panic tapes were made with AD1K's though....
No way to do that...one thing I'm wondering is whether one with a bad WC would accept and sync to an input WC signal from another unit.
-e
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I wasnt meaning is there a switch on the unit that does it, I was actually thinking would it be possible for one to open the box up and bypass the A/D and add an analog out stage. Kinda like the mini-mp. That may be what you meant, but just trying to clarify myself a little...
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you'd probably need a schemantic, no?
apogee isn't giving those out
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headed for a/d heaven..... :'(
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It's a damn shame Apogee won't release the schematics for these babies. :-\
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It's a damn shame Apogee won't release the schematics for these babies. :-\
Time for some industrial espionage? Who's got a floor plan for the Apogee building? >:D
Think they have scematics on computers? hacker for hire?
Maybe we could have a sit in their corporate offices? I can see it now...tapers everywhere rallying for a good cause...
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these things are about a warm fart from being sold for blanks and postage. :P
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Not what I wanted to hear of course but thanks all and +Ts for the honesty.
Let's see, I recorded about 100 shows, I paid 475 + 100 to get it working when I got it....not bad. how much for a new word clock ? or will this just happen again and again and again..............................
hmmm, now it may be time to go in a completely different direction....i really like the TLs with the ADK ( no pun intended there)....i've been thinking about a lighter setup anyway, maybe AKGs.
cumbaya my friends
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Not what I wanted to hear of course but thanks all and +Ts for the honesty.
Let's see, I recorded about 100 shows, I paid 475 + 100 to get it working when I got it....not bad. how much for a new word clock ? or will this just happen again and again and again..............................
hmmm, now it may be time to go in a completely different direction....i really like the TLs with the ADK ( no pun intended there)....i've been thinking about a lighter setup anyway, maybe AKGs.
cumbaya my friends
good luck. no chance of getting it fixed, if you didn't know...apogee won't service them anymore. and it'd be way cheaper to shop for a *new* one anyhow.
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yep, once they go bad that's it now... no more fixes from apogee.
Paul at prodig has been trying to get a schemantic from them so he could perform some repairs and apogee refuses to hand them over.....
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Hey Xpanding Man,
Do you know anyone with a V3? I have an experiment for you. Get a BNC connector and set the AD1K up to sync from a WC rather than the crystal. Use the V3 as a preamp and pass the WC output from the V3 into the AD1K as input.
I'm curious if this would fix the drop out problem.
I'm also interested in hearing if anyone who has an AD1K with a bad WC could try this too. It may be possible that a V3 could be used to salvage an old AD1K....
I was just rereading the AD1K manual for the first time in a couple years and the above thought seems like it's possible.
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Hey Xpanding Man,
Do you know anyone with a V3? I have an experiment for you. Get a BNC connector and set the AD1K up to sync from a WC rather than the crystal. Use the V3 as a preamp and pass the WC output from the V3 into the AD1K as input.
I'm curious if this would fix the drop out problem.
I'm also interested in hearing if anyone who has an AD1K with a bad WC could try this too. It may be possible that a V3 could be used to salvage an old AD1K....
I was just rereading the AD1K manual for the first time in a couple years and the above thought seems like it's possible.
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hmmmmm, +t for a nifty idea.
marc
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e,
i know one guy locally with a V3....you really think this could work ? i would certainly love to keep this thing, it's like music to my ears hehe
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e,
i know one guy locally with a V3....you really think this could work ? i would certainly love to keep this thing, it's like music to my ears hehe
You should try it. I really think it could work the more I think about it. You'll need to set the Sync dip switcht to 75 Ohm Term.
I'm in the process of looking for a unit which is known to have just a bad word clock. Of course there are plenty of other things that can go wrong with AD1K's.
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i don't understand why you would need an AD-1000 if you had a V3?
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i don't understand why you would need an AD-1000 if you had a V3?
AD1K's AD 0wnz!
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Hey now, my AD1000 has been acting a little weird. last gig, i looked down to notice that the signal lights were sweeping as if it were trying to find the signal and lock in, which it failed to do until i turned the unit off and on again. thing is, this happened DURING a recording, so it was fine to start the set, and then lost signal and couldn't find it until the unit was reset off/on. we wound up losing a (if i may say so myself) darn fine rendition of bela's 'lover's leap'
i have a feeling this might be because it was jostled by the other guitar player's foot, and i'm hoping to never see that fuitle signal-searching light activity again....i am curious if this is a warning of things to come....is word clock failure inevitable, or probable ? and does it go without warning out of the blue, or is it a gradual thing (with things like this to tell you that it's almost time to think about a V3 ) ?
this is the first time i've had any issues with my adk....any input is appreciated.
+T to the word kafluey. I havent heard that in years! :D
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Anyhow, I got an AD1K from Mic D (+T to Mic D again) last month and have taped with it 4 times with good results. Having run V2 > MMe V2 > SBM-1 and V3 I am 2000% certain that the AD1K is the sound I'm looking for and have missed since my last one broke Dec 03.
So the whole point behind buying a V3 is it comes with an balance preamp out and a word clock out. The AD1K's most common failure is the internal crystal word clock. So there is a chance that it's possible to sync the AD1K with the WC out of the V3. If this is possible then it means that people that want to get the AD1K sound can salvage many inoperable AD1K's by buying V3's. The resulting rig would be essentially identical to running V2 > AD1K.
I really need to get some expriments done.
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i don't understand why you would need an AD-1000 if you had a V3?
many people feel that the a/d in the ad1000 and the ad500e are superior to the a/d in the V3....
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superior....?
questionable.
prefferable....certainly.
its got a certain sound to it, no doubt.
I've got one handy, and I really enjoy the sound when I use it. though..that is rare.
I seldom feel a need to carry an additional 10lbs
Its staggers...and just sitting getting dusty. works SO WELL w/the JB3 !!
I keep it on hand in case.....and he has never really pushed to sell it. maybe someday he will want something for it. we all know its worth little. Such a shame too...it sounds real sweet.
but as those lights sweep around...searching....every time I start it up, i've had moments of fear at every use.
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I personally feel that it is sonically superior to any of the new generation a/d's...
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I personally feel that it is sonically superior to any of the new generation a/d's...
And that's the point...everyones ears are different. I've been taping long enough to know what I like. Everyone should strive to make tapes that sound good to them.
Now it's hard to put to words and I can only compare rigs I've run mostly because I remember how it sounded in the room that night vs. hearing it for the first time on tape. The few times I borrowed a V3 I've made some decent tapes extremely crisp mid's and high's with lots of contrast but the low end although there didn't have an enveloping warmth. The MMe on the other hand has exactly what I like in the low end but the mid's and high's sound blurry to me I don't hear the contrast I like with the V3. For me the Apogee gives me both in propportions I find pleasing. As for the SBM-1 I've run...I'll just leave it at that.
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hmmm...
V3's ANSR output vs. AD1K UV22HR output
thats a tough one. i'm pretty familiar with both, and like each of them for totaly different reasons.
as a one box stop, the V3 all the way. but for pure sonics........tough call.
i think the V3 sounds more realistic.
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I personally feel that it is sonically superior to any of the new generation a/d's...
I agree.
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I have an old ADK that I think the wordclock is going. Takes forever to lock on a sample rate,
and when it does it loses it and starts scrolling for a sync constantly. I'd be willing to lend it for a test.
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I have an old ADK that I think the wordclock is going. Takes forever to lock on a sample rate,
and when it does it loses it and starts scrolling for a sync constantly. I'd be willing to lend it for a test.
Perfect! Where ya at?
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memphis
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I personally feel that it is sonically superior to any of the new generation a/d's...
I agree.
ditto, although I find the mme, when run line-in, to be very, very close and close enough for me.
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I personally feel that it is sonically superior to any of the new generation a/d's...
I agree.
ditto, although I find the mme, when run line-in, to be very, very close and close enough for me.
Yeah one thing I'd say is I never like the apogee preamps on their AD's. External always does better.
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Mme...
i've been wanting to play with one recently.
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the external word clock is an interesting idea to keep the ad1k's running, but my question would be how much influence on the sound does the word clock have? I thought one of the strong points of the Apogee units was the superior clock. someone should compare internal vs external on a fully functional ad1k.
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the external word clock is an interesting idea to keep the ad1k's running, but my question would be how much influence on the sound does the word clock have? I thought one of the strong points of the Apogee units was the superior clock. someone should compare internal vs external on a fully functional ad1k.
Yeah the low gitter wc could indeed be a factor...Do we know how the V3's and AD1k's compare on paper?
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I would think that using an external a/ds WC output into the ad1k would sort of defeat the purpose, no?
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I would think that using an external a/ds WC output into the ad1k would sort of defeat the purpose, no?
Read the thread...we're talking about using an external AD to provide a WC sync source to an AD1K with a *BAD* word clock...
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i'm still very curious to hear how this comes out.....my WC is questionable ::)
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i've been reading the thread since the begining...but thanks for directions. ;-)
pardon my ignorance...but isnt a WC signal digital? and if you are passing said signal to the apgogee are you not bypassing what makes it sound so good in the first place?
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nick -- i believe that all the word clock does is provide the a>d with the timing info necessary to parse out samples (a digital "click track" if you will). Thus, if an external word clock accurately instructs the ad1000 to create 44,100 of its aurally superior samples per second, the result should be no worse (perhaps better if more accurate) than what the ad1000's internal word clock could do.
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right...
thats what I thought. where i'm loosing this is would the signal keep the 1k characteristics we all like?
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right...
thats what I thought. where i'm loosing this is would the signal keep the 1k characteristics we all like?
It should sound the same, as the word clock basically just tells the converter the "where" to sample, and doesnt really change the "how" of it...if you get what Im trying to say. It would be useful for aligning audio with other sources with a word clock out, preventing drift. But shouldnt change the way the a/d conversion is done.
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ok..
I have understood fully what the WC does, having played with the BIG BEN a while.
but what I didn't get was how the signal was affected, other than timing issues w/the clock.
in my experience, there was no A/D stage involved (this is on playback) so it was just a digital signal being fed to the master WC, who then sent that on down the line.
in this scenarieo..you are saying that you would send an Apogee two signals. one analog..and the other WC. the 1k would then do the a/d conversion ....yet bypass its own WC in hopes it will lock on and use that in its process before passing a stable s/pdif signal.
gotcha