Topic: Roland r26

[kenyee]

I asked Roland for these:
- remote control so there's no handling noise
- lower low pass filter freqs (40 and 80hz)
- optionally treat 1/8" as line input instead of mic input
- optionally treat headphone out as line output instead of headphone output

At least the guy said the requests were forwarded to R&D, though that'll probably take forever for a V2 given how slow Roland is at releasing gear updates :-P

So if nothing else, take a few moments and email Roland on their contact page if you're missing anything ;-)

[Chimney Top]

Any further input on the Mixpre > analog in > R-26 distorting?

The Mixpre analog/xlr outputs are LINE OUT and I've set the analog inputs on the R-26 to +4dBU.

I'm using this gear tonight, not sure what the issue is...

[kenyee]

The Mixpre analog/xlr outputs are LINE OUT and I've set the analog inputs on the R-26 to +4dBU.

You must likely need to add a pad cable to reduce the output level of the line level outputs to mic level...

[ashevillain]

Are my posts hidden here?

[StuStu]

Are my posts hidden here?

I see one from 3/6.

[Chimney Top]

I've been running the R-26 since last summer and in my experience the 1/8" input is about the same for hot line in signals as the Sony D8 was. In other words, it doesn't handle especially hot signals. Use the 1/8" output of the MixPre and set the 1/8" input of the R-26 to Low and you should be fine.

This is likely what i'll use for recording tonight, but the tape out is unbalanced... there is no reason why the R-26 should not have the capability to record the balanced XLR input from the Mixpre.

[ashevillain]

there is no reason why the R-26 should not have the capability to record the balanced XLR input from the Mixpre.

See this post in the other thread: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=155475.msg2014746#msg2014746

You are sending IIRC +16dB out of the XLR outs of the MixPre. The 1/8" is only +6dB. I think that's right...my numbers might be slightly off but I'm pretty sure the XLR out is 10dB hotter than the tape out.

[Chimney Top]

there is no reason why the R-26 should not have the capability to record the balanced XLR input from the Mixpre.

See this post in the other thread: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=155475.msg2014746#msg2014746

You are sending IIRC +16dB out of the XLR outs of the MixPre. The 1/8" is only +6dB. I think that's right...my numbers might be slightly off but I'm pretty sure the XLR out is 10dB hotter than the tape out.

grrr...

i ran the mixpre into Tascam DR-100 tonight and the entire recording is distorted.  I've used the XLR outputs on the mixpre for FR-2LE and the DR-100 and have not had this issue.  WTF!?  I was going to run the 1/8" into the R-26 tonight, but it doesn't have a Omni+plugin setting... i wanted to run the omni's, so i used the DR-100 for the KM184 > Mixpre...

F@$%!!


So, it's not the R-26.. it's the Mixpre.


and WHY does the R-26 not have a Omni+Plugin+XY setting???  It has every other combination for multitrack recording.

[Chimney Top]

I should probably start a new thread for this, but here is sample... can anyone say from the recording what's going on with this? you can send a pm if you want.

Thanks.


https://soundcloud.com/user203526/jeanne-jolly-live-sample


edit)  come to think of it... I don't think I've ran the Mixpre XLR > DR-100, only the FR-2LE (XLR to TRS).  I've used the Mixpre 3.5mm > DR-100 3.5mm.

So the Mixpre line out does not work with the R-26 or DR-100.  This sucks, last night was a good show.

[kenyee]

I should probably start a new thread for this, but here is sample... can anyone say from the recording what's going on with this?

Have you tried a pad (signal reduction) cable?
It's distorting at a specific loudness...almost like it's overloading the line-in on your recorder...

[Chimney Top]

I should probably start a new thread for this, but here is sample... can anyone say from the recording what's going on with this?

Have you tried a pad (signal reduction) cable?
It's distorting at a specific loudness...almost like it's overloading the line-in on your recorder...

I think I will need to use pads for the mixpre > R-26 XLR input... it worked ok with the Fostex FR-2LE, but not R-26 and DR-100.

Also, Roland said there is not a setting for XY + Omni + Plugin... perhaps a firmware update?

I would use the internal omni's more with external cardioid's and possibly sound board mix.

[ashevillain]

I think I will need to use pads for the mixpre > R-26 XLR input...

You need to attenuate the 1/8" tape out of the Mixpre going in to the XLR input of the R-26?

If so, something is definitely not right.

[heehaw]

there is no reason why the R-26 should not have the capability to record the balanced XLR input from the Mixpre.

maybe it's because the R-26 can't handle a hot input levels for some unknown reasons.
according to Avisoft Bioacoustics comparsion of various recorders http://www.avisoft.com/recordertests.htm, an Input Clipping Level of the R-26 via XLR ANALOG IN is 0.25 mV.
And it's pretty low as I can understand.
For example, the Input Clipping Level of SoundDevices 722 is 3.8mV, and Fostex FR-2LE is 4.3mV.

[Chimney Top]

I think I will need to use pads for the mixpre > R-26 XLR input...

You need to attenuate the 1/8" tape out of the Mixpre going in to the XLR input of the R-26?

If so, something is definitely not right.

No the 1/8" output is ok.  The Mixpre (XLR output) > R-26 (XLR input) probably needs a pad.

[kenyee]

and according to this:
  http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-188991.html

To get the max clipping level on the DR-100, you have to set it to "GAIN HIGH"...