Topic: 8 GB of JB3 files deleted ... anyway to recover?

[FightTheGoodFight]

quickly skimmed the JB3 FAQ and didn't see anything ...

[deadhoarse]

Try these tools.  I've used them to recover deleted files from my hard drive.
http://www.r-tt.com/

[FightTheGoodFight]

Try these tools.  I've used them to recover deleted files from my hard drive.
http://www.r-tt.com/

Sweet thanks.  Did you use file recovery or data recovery?  Also, is there a high success rate?  Thanks.

[deadhoarse]

Try these tools.  I've used them to recover deleted files from my hard drive.
http://www.r-tt.com/

Sweet thanks.  Did you use file recovery or data recovery?  Also, is there a high success rate?  Thanks.

It should work, as long as nothing else has been written to the drive since you deleted the files.  I use their file undelete program, R-Studio.

[FightTheGoodFight]

Try these tools.  I've used them to recover deleted files from my hard drive.
http://www.r-tt.com/

Sweet thanks.  Did you use file recovery or data recovery?  Also, is there a high success rate?  Thanks.

It should work, as long as nothing else has been written to the drive since you deleted the files.  I use their file undelete program, R-Studio.

Thanks so much.

[souper]

If you don't mind, let us know how that works out.

[FightTheGoodFight]

If you don't mind, let us know how that works out.

Gladly

[FightTheGoodFight]

I was thinking.  It sounds like this R-Studio is geared towards computer harddrives.  I wonder how I would go about using it on my JB3.

[Weazel]

does a chdsk /f work on a jb3? , on mt and iriver people could recover files this way

[FightTheGoodFight]

does a chdsk /f work on a jb3?

[whatboutbob]

slight typo in weazel's post...he meant "chkdsk /f".

I'm not sure if the jb3s operate as a removable drive, but if they do it should work the same way.

If that is the case,  just get to a command prompt (on a windows machine just click 'start' then 'run' type 'cmd' and click 'ok'.

Then change to the drive that your iriver (errr...jb3) is on...and type "chkdsk /f" and it may recover the files...

[pfife]

I think it be recognized as a removable drive if you have updated drivers.  I updated my drivers a while ago, and it magically appeared in windows explorer as its own drive, with a drive letter assigned.  It's even got a little icon that looks like the JB3.

[Weazel]

then chkdsk /f should work i guess

[FightTheGoodFight]

Interesting.  I'm not sure I have updated drivers though.  Will that affect something?  Thanks guys - I do appreciate this help.  I'm still waiting to test out the advice.

[smokydays]

Interesting.  I'm not sure I have updated drivers though.  Will that affect something?  Thanks guys - I do appreciate this help.  I'm still waiting to test out the advice.

You probably wont see it in windows explorer unless you install the Nomad Explorer.  Here's a link to it from nomadness.net :

http://www.nomadness.net/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=219

It looks like Creative have taken all of the Jukebox 3 stuff from their site, or either moved it somewhere else?

[FightTheGoodFight]

All I can say is that this board fucking rocks.  Everyone has been nice and helpful.  I <3 taping and those who tape.

<3

[whatboutbob]

...so does that mean you managed to salvage the files?

[FightTheGoodFight]

Haha not yet.  I'll get there.

[scb]

let me guess.  you got your nomad back from DMB management, after they deleted the IEM files you made, so now you you want to get them back?

i guess you still don't get it...

[dmbfan36_23]

let me guess.  you got your nomad back from DMB management, after they deleted the IEM files you made, so now you you want to get them back?

That's what I was about to ask.....

[todd e]

This guy have some history with you?  It seems like there is more than meets the eyes.....

[scb]

you do the math

someone was busted by DMB management last monday for recording the In Ear Monitor feed with a sennheiser box and a nomad.  it got turned over to management.  apparently there were a bunch of shows on it (around 8 gigs?)

there were some posts on some message boards about this, and someone named "FightTheGoodFight" made some shady posts pointing fingers.  now he's here asking how to recover 8 gigs of data off of a nomad?

seems fishy to me, though i could be wrong...

[nickgregory]

wasnt there  a rumor about the douchebag who got caught having charges filed against him?

[dmbfan36_23]

wasnt there  a rumor about the douchebag who got caught having charges filed against him?

He was arrested and the venue wanted to press charges.  I haven't gotten the final update on what's going down since they got the JB3 with the recordings on them.  Last I heard "DMB Management" was still reviewing the recordings.

[nickgregory]

wasnt there  a rumor about the douchebag who got caught having charges filed against him?

He was arrested and the venue wanted to press charges.  I haven't gotten the final update on what's going down since they got the JB3 with the recordings on them.  Last I heard "DMB Management" was still reviewing the recordings.

its past time for the band to start making an example of these assholes

[heath]

that's a fuckwad thing to do. 


my $.02   

[thoman8r]

we'll see who's fighting the good fight if I ever see this dipshit taping iem's at a dmb show.  The band has the best taping policy of any major act in the industry, and pieces of garbage like this can't even respect the very reasonable restrictions they put in place.

I guess we have to contact dmb management now and let them know you're attempting to recover the illegally obtained recording they deleted, huh smart guy?

fucking toolbag.

* edit to say that this is obviously assuming it's the same guy, and it would be a helluva coincidence if it isn't.

[smokydays]

Wow this IEM topic really gets you guys fired up!  I was wondering how some would justify running FOB/stealthing compared to this questionable activity?  Not trying to open worms, just curious about different opinions..   

[thoman8r]

It's easy:

1. Stealthing isn't tapping into the band's private conversations with each other.
2. The band has a very generous taping policy, with very few restrictions.  Ignoring those restrictions is a slap in the face to a band who has been very generous to the trading/taping community.
3. In the past, the presence of IEM tapers at DMB shows have caused legitimate AUD tapers to have their bags searched and, on occasion, there equipment messed with.  It also almost caused the band to disallow taping entirely.

[dmbphan1]

I always knew scott was a rabid poster on SOME board out there 

[dmbphan1]

I always knew scott was a rabid poster on SOME board out there 

Thats why I lurk, But, I thought I had posted atleast once or twice before this thread. Ive been lurking here for over a year.

O well, Carry on 

[heath]

why not?  +T 

[FightTheGoodFight]

Very interesting.  I haven't visited this thread in a while.  First off, I am aware of the DMB IEM situation.  I am in no way affiliated with that though.  For anyone that cares, here are the 7 shows that were deleted from my JB3:

04.24.05   Guster   Robertson Memorial Fieldhouse, Bradley University, Peoria, IL
04.27.05   Tristan Prettyman & Jason Mraz   Braden Auditorium, Illinois State University, Normal, IL
05.04.05   Weezer   Aragon Ballroom, Chicago, IL
07.14.05   Howie Day & Gavin DeGraw   Lakefront Pavillion, Chicago, IL
09.29.05   Umphrey's McGee   Canopy Club, Champaign, IL
10.21.05   Michael Franti   Canopy Club, Champaign, IL
11.10.05   O.A.R.   Fox Theater, St. Louis, MO

I originally posted this thread after I got word from my friend in Missouri, who works in Data Recovery, said he might not be able to pull these shows back.  So, I turned to TS to provide another avenue.  Obviously this has snowballed into much more.  I hate having to explain myself, but it is necessary after these accusations against me.  If anyone wants to continue to badger me, do so only because a few of these shows are stealth recordings.  That is all for now.

[FightTheGoodFight]

Also, the IEM dude got busted in New Hampshire.  I was halfway across the country when that went down.

edit:  or was it Philly?  too lazy to look it up

[Weazel]

people were getting mad here for nohting i guess 

it's the season to be jolly

anyway did you recover the files? or there lost?

[FightTheGoodFight]

people were getting mad here for nohting i guess 

it's the season to be jolly

anyway did you recover the files? or there lost?

The JB3 is in the mail to me as we speak.  I plan to give the R-Studio software a try.  If I'm able to recover any of the shows, I'll be sure to post here as I release them.

[dmbfan36_23]

people were getting mad here for nohting i guess 

not exactly.... this kid was involved.. his name has been making the rounds in reference to the DMB incident.  The fact that the JB3 is "in the mail" to him and has deleted data on it is also too much of a coincidence.

[FightTheGoodFight]

not exactly.... this kid was involved.. his name has been making the rounds in reference to the DMB incident.  The fact that the JB3 is "in the mail" to him and has deleted data on it is also too much of a coincidence.

According to Fedex, the JB3 should be here tomorrow or the next day.  Assuming I'm able to recover any content from it, I'll be sure to post a clip for you to hear.

[todd e]

any moderators out here, lock this bad boy!

[Weazel]

is there realy proof it's him? if i was getting busted noone would know my nickname on internet.

call me old fashioned but i believe in innocent until proofen guilty.

[dmbfan36_23]

is there realy proof it's him? if i was getting busted noone would know my nickname on internet.

Plenty... fact is, most people didn't know his nickname on the internet until yesterday.

[thoman8r]

is there realy proof it's him? if i was getting busted noone would know my nickname on internet.

you probably wouldn't have been stupid enough to get busted in the first place.  Besides, this isn't the guy who got busted, apparently he just supplied all the equipment.

call me old fashioned but i believe in innocent until proofen guilty.

I believe that if it looks like a rat, and smells like a rat...

[heath]

give it cheese!

[spyder9]

I know I'm sounding like an ass-clown, but what is an IEM file?  And what's the problem with them?   

[tim in jersey]

IEM: In-Ear Monitor.

[dmbfan36_23]

I know I'm sounding like an ass-clown, but what is an IEM file?  And what's the problem with them?   

It's the In Ear Monitor feed that the band uses onstage.  Each band member typically has their own mix and aside from the music that the crowd hears they include all the inter-band chatting that is not meant to be heard by the crowd.  Recording it is an invasion of privacy and is frowned upon by many bands.  It became a major problem for DMB back in 2001/2002 and they adjusted the taping policy accordingly.  It has caused numerous problems for legit tapers who are often hassled trying to get into the show with gear or during the show by security if they suspect someone is using an IEM to record the show.

DMB is not the only band having this problem... U2 is another one who's having issues with it.

[spyder9]

Thank you gentlemen.  I learned something new on this board daily.  

I think that is totally wrong to be tapping into the IEMs.  A little to personal, IMO.  How does a taper know where to plug into to get such a feed?  Has to be an inside job, no?  PM me with the answer.  

Thinking aloud, I wonder if George Bush has ever authorized the IEM recordings.      

[spyder9]

I have an analog tape from the early eighties.  I'll have to dig for it.  You can hear Mickey blaming Bobby for making him f*ck-up on a song.  Garcia chimes in and says, "Nah, nah, nah, Bob were not blaming you for f*cking up."  That must be an IEM of some sort.  Its the only SBD I have where you can hear their conversations on stage. 

[dmbfan36_23]

How does a taper know where to plug into to get such a feed?  Has to be an inside job, no?

It's an analog radio signal broadcast thru the venue... all you need is a receiver (one of the boxes the band uses)... you can buy them yourself.

[heath]

why people even want to grab an IEM tape is beyond me.  The mix is far from desireable....

[heath]

why people even want to grab an IEM tape is beyond me.  The mix is far from desireable....

+T 

[dmbphan1]

why people even want to grab an IEM tape is beyond me.  The mix is far from desireable....

+T 

How do I do this

I'm such a TS n00b

[heath]

do what?  give a +t?  If that's the question, i believe you don't have that power until you have 50 posts...

[dmbphan1]

do what?  give a +t?  If that's the question, i believe you don't have that power until you have 50 posts...

o well

[deadhoarse]

Try to help someone out and look what happens... This exemplifies an issue of hard drive-based recording.  If you're caught being a dumbass and they delete your files, they aren't ever really gone (Even after formatting there's still a chance to recover).

[jcrab66]

How does a taper know where to plug into to get such a feed?  Has to be an inside job, no?

It's an analog radio signal broadcast thru the venue... all you need is a receiver (one of the boxes the band uses)... you can buy them yourself.

what you describe is an ALD not an IEM....both tend to sound shitty though...

[dmbfan36_23]

It's an analog radio signal broadcast thru the venue... all you need is a receiver (one of the boxes the band uses)... you can buy them yourself.

what you describe is an ALD not an IEM....both tend to sound shitty though...

What I described is both and ALD and IEM... it all depends on what your "receiver" is and what signal you use.

[smokydays]

OK, what's ALD? 

[heath]

assisted listening device for concertgoers with hearing problems.  it's essentially a soundboard feed they can tune into with heaphones.

[smokydays]

Thanks Heath, is this a common offering among rock/pop concerts these days?

[tim in jersey]

Thanks Heath, is this a common offering among rock/pop concerts these days?

Yes. It is required by law if I'm not mistaken (the ALD).

[jcrab66]

It's an analog radio signal broadcast thru the venue... all you need is a receiver (one of the boxes the band uses)... you can buy them yourself.

what you describe is an ALD not an IEM....both tend to sound shitty though...

What I described is both and ALD and IEM... it all depends on what your "receiver" is and what signal you use.

no, what you describe is an ALD, an IEM isnt broadcast by the venue....

[dmbfan36_23]

no, what you describe is an ALD, an IEM isnt broadcast by the venue....

Sorry misunderstanding...  I said "broadcast thru the venue" in my post and I meant "throughout the venue" :-)

[Digital Quality]

Creative uses a proprietary file system so JB3 recovery would indeed be interesting. It's something that they cooked up inhouse primarily to prevent hacking of the device. 

[keith]

If the DMB has an even marginally competent computer person,  they could easily wipe the device such that not even the NSA could recover the data.

[momule]

Try to help someone out and look what happens... This exemplifies an issue of hard drive-based recording.  If you're caught being a dumbass and they delete your files, they aren't ever really gone (Even after formatting there's still a chance to recover).

Unless they write something over the files there still  on the platter.

Really Hope this guys turns out to not be the joker who was involved in this.. 

[momule]

Creative uses a proprietary file system so JB3 recovery would indeed be interesting. It's something that they cooked up inhouse primarily to prevent hacking of the device. 

proprietary    there wav files.
be no diffrent than trying to recover files from a laptop harddrive (which is what it is)

 

[smokydays]

Creative uses a proprietary file system so JB3 recovery would indeed be interesting. It's something that they cooked up inhouse primarily to prevent hacking of the device. 

proprietary    there wav files.
be no diffrent than trying to recover files from a laptop harddrive (which is what it is)

 

He might mean that the file system on the hard drive itself is proprietary (not fat16/fat32/ntfs/etc.).  So probably if you take the hard drive out of the jb3 and try and stick it in your computer, it wont be recognized.

BTW, Hope you had a great christmas Nick! 

[momule]

Creative uses a proprietary file system so JB3 recovery would indeed be interesting. It's something that they cooked up inhouse primarily to prevent hacking of the device. 

proprietary    there wav files.
be no diffrent than trying to recover files from a laptop harddrive (which is what it is)

 

He might mean that the file system on the hard drive itself is proprietary (not fat16/fat32/ntfs/etc.).  So probably if you take the hard drive out of the jb3 and try and stick it in your computer, it wont be recognized.

BTW, Hope you had a great christmas Nick! 

I see.  My misunderstanding.

I thought it used a fat 32 file system because of the 2gb file limit.

[MPB]

So has anybody successfully recovered deleted files from a JB3?

Please let me know how if you can. I was busted last night & had files deleted by security!!