Topic: Edirol R-09 firmware 1.20 about to be released

[china_rider]

Hey all... I sent in a support email to Edirol about an issue I am seeing with my R9 and 8gig SDHC cards.  Today I got a standard email back saying they would take a look but they have not seen the issue with any of the 4gig cards they tested with.

Anyway, to my surprise when coming out of Costco today I got a call from Edirol support.  They apologized for the slow response (even though I only sent the email Friday) but they were all at CES.

Anyway, They are going to get a transcend 8gig card to test my issue but they also mentioned firmware 1.20 was about to be released.  The person I talked to was surprised that the Japanese version was not already up on their site and expected all versions to be up in the next couple of days.  End of week at the latest.

He said there were a few cool new features along with improved SDHC support.

- Stealth mode - Turns off the red light when recording.
- Adjustable split size - Lets the user determine when to split the file that is being recorded.

[joekar]

Stealth Mode.........SWEET

jk

ps: not that I would condone that type of stuff.....

[spyder9]

Awesome!!!!  I hate that red light.  The adjustable split is a cute feature, though I would still have mine set at 2GB.  But that red light has to go.  Nice job Edirol!!!   

With 1.20 coming out, 8GB has to be in the next firmware ( guessing 1.30).  The soon-to-be-released Zoom H2 will be the new rage this spring, because its half the price of the R09 and has almost the exact same features.  Edirol will need the 8GB card configuration to maintain the R09's competitive advantage in the marketplace.  Ya gotta love competition. 

[twoheadedboy]

Sweet, I can take that bit of garbage bag off my recorder now

I like the split feature idea...I can set it at 79:59 to ensure audio CD length files

[SClassical]

The soon-to-be-released Zoom H2 will be the new rage this spring, because its half the price of the R09 and has almost the exact same features.  Edirol will need the 8GB card configuration to maintain the R09's competitive advantage in the marketplace.  Ya gotta love competition. 

Where did you hear about the Zoom H2?

[sleepypedro]

kinda off-topic, but i just went to edirol.com to look at the firmware page. 

there's a picture of an r09 but with a red body instead of black.  don't really want one, but...

[gewwang]

Is that the U2 version? Maybe I'll use that next time and they won't take it from me

[china_rider]

kinda off-topic, but i just went to edirol.com to look at the firmware page. 

there's a picture of an r09 but with a red body instead of black.  don't really want one, but...

One of the pages in there has a picture with rotating colors... I think I also saw grey and blue.

[divamum]

Umm... H2?

I'm happy with my own gear, but singers who've figured out I'm a gearslut are constantly asking me about products etc. Most of them don't want to invest that much $ in gear (well, a few do, but the majority are just not that into it) and are always asking for cheaper options.

What's the deal with the H2?

[china_rider]

H2

[Zaphod]

Is that the U2 version? Maybe I'll use that next time and they won't take it from me

Just make sure your Sax is the U2 version as well 

[JD]

Looks like 1.20 is out.

Click on downloads, and scroll all the way down.

 


http://www.edirol.net/products/en/R-09/

[bayoubilly]

just installed! this is awesome! you can turn the light off

[JD]

Cool, it now has peak hold, shows a delayed level max.

[bayoubilly]

Cool, it now has peak hold, shows a delayed level max.

sweet! that makes up for the peak light having to be disabled along with the rec light

[gewwang]

Is that the U2 version? Maybe I'll use that next time and they won't take it from me

Just make sure your Sax is the U2 version as well 

And I'll run the levels hot to match what their PA sounds like.

[gmm6797]

H2

Who makes this?  Anyone have any specs other than whats on the card in the picture?

[china_rider]

Same people that make the Zoom H4

[china_rider]

Self extracting exe (zip)... I'm sort of surprised that they did not put the release notes in with it.

[gmm6797]

Installed with out a problem, tested the REC light, and when you put the unit on HOLD then the light turns off

Planning to test it out tonight and see what happens.  Used 1.10 last weekend, but neither set went over the 2gb file size

[gmm6797]

someone asked: http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/dld.cfm?iCncd=1072&ln=en&SearchBy=RcId&dst=P&iRcId=0000015809&dsp=1

[spyder9]

I just updated mine.  The red light does go off.   To configure the red light:

1)  Click "Menu"

2)  Go down to "Display setup"

3)  Set "Display Timer" to 5 sec, 10 sec, or whatever you like.  I set mine for 10 sec

4)  Set "Rec/Peak LED" to Power Save

Once I hit record, whether I have the HOLD switch engaged or not, the Red Light will turn off in 10 seconds.  If I hit any button while the HOLD is not engaged, the Red Light will turn on.  If the HOLD is engaged, and I slide the HOLD switch to off, the Red Light will come on.  The Red Light will not turn on if the HOLD is engaged, and I hit any button.

[sleepypedro]

I just updated mine.  The red light does go off.   To configure the red light:

1)  Click "Menu"

2)  Go down to "Display setup"

3)  Set "Display Timer" to 5 sec, 10 sec, or whatever you like.  I set mine for 10 sec

4)  Set "Rec/Peak LED" to Power Save

Once I hit record, whether I have the HOLD switch engaged or not, the Red Light will turn off in 10 seconds.  If I hit any button while the HOLD is not engaged, the Red Light will turn on.  If the HOLD is engaged, and I slide the HOLD switch to off, the Red Light will come on.  The Red Light will not turn on if the HOLD is engaged, and I hit any button.

too cool!

did we have the 'peak hold' feature before?  i hadn't noticed if so.

[dorrcoq]

Anyone know if you need to download 1.10 first, and then 1.20, or if 1.20 will update everything?

[sleepypedro]

Anyone know if you need to download 1.10 first, and then 1.20, or if 1.20 will update everything?

firmware updates are usually inclusive.  just go ahead and run 1.20.

[joekar]

Just updated mine and the " HEY... I'M RECORDING OVER HERE " light ........is finally off.....I'm lovin' it  

Peace,
jk

[dorrcoq]

Anyone know if you need to download 1.10 first, and then 1.20, or if 1.20 will update everything?

firmware updates are usually inclusive.  just go ahead and run 1.20.

That's what I thought, thanks!  +T

[Sebastian]

Just updated from the initial firmware 1.03 to 1.20 without any problems. The red rec light stays off now - but so does the peak LED. Too bad, I thought the peak LED was quite handy in some situations (the same situations where the big red rec light was quite unhandy).

[spyder9]

Can someone post the new firmware?  I just won't run random exe's on my windows box.  Thanks!

I hit "Run", and it then asked me for a spot to Save the File.  I saved it to my HD. 



I tested the new firmware out last night.  All the new updates worked great!  I dig the new "Peak Hold" dealio.  Levels seem quite accurate and reading them can't be any easier.  Especially from a standing position. 

[gmm6797]

Fell asleep on the couch and missed my show last night

Here is the update file, extracted out of the EXE, for those who want it directly
http://download.yousendit.com/3128621574D000DF

[dorrcoq]

Not having the red light came in handy tonight, with a security guy stationed about 10 feet to my right all night.

[JD]

I ran the R-09 with firmware 1.20 last night. All went well.

The peak hold is a great addition and makes setting the levels way easier.
It was nice not having to tape off the red lights. I didn't go over the 2 gig file size so I can't comment on that.

Something interesting I noticed was the battery life. Between recording, uploading, and listening to it via the earphones, it seems as though the battery is lasting noticeable longer. I guess those LEDs consumed more power than I thought.

This little unit keeps getting better. 


Now if we could only dim the display a little more...

[gmm6797]

Fell asleep on the couch and missed my show last night

Hope it wasn't anything too good.

Well, depends on your perspective... an 80's metal cover band, where the singer can hit the high notes from Axl to Sebastian Bach and the rest of the band hits the notes as well... great to test out new gear and have a good time for less than the cost of a couple of beers LOL

They will be back

[johnnyb]

Great news re ridding the red light, But with the update does this rid the peak lite also? I like to continue having the peak lite fuction if possible

[gmm6797]

Great news re ridding the red light, But with the update does this rid the peak lite also? I like to continue having the peak lite fuction if possible

The meters/time/battery part of the screen stays on, but the red light is off

[Sebastian]

Great news re ridding the red light, But with the update does this rid the peak lite also? I like to continue having the peak lite fuction if possible

When you turn off the red rec light, the red peak light goes off, too.

[Steve J]

Post v1.20: update went real easy. I decided to test the effect (if any) that the update had on battery life. I recorded using the built-in mics, 192k MP3 mode. I got 7 hours, 43 minutes from a pair of Duracell "Power Pix" batteries. I don't know the difference in these batteries and the "coppertops"; but I thought those results were pretty darn good.

I chose the MP3 mode because I had only the 2gb card with me. Tomorrow, we test 24/48 with the 4gb card.

[StuStu]

I tested my 4gb sdhc card with the new firmware. Running 4061>bb>R-09@24/48. Using (brand new) 2650 mah Duracell NiMH batteries I filled the card without any indication of battery being low. Also, at 2gb it started a new track. I don't know if the split was seemless or not. I was planning on taping that night and erased the tracks. I ended up not using it that night, but the upgraded firmware seems to be quite nice. 

[Gutbucket]

Anyone have luck with an 8GB card yet?

I'll run the update tonight, but I assume that the big red light is going to come on (for 10 sec. or whatever the display power save feature is set at) if I disengage hold and adjust the input level, right?

If so I'll have to keep the gaffer's tape on mine.  I want that light off, not sometimes off or most of the time off.  Off.  I'd like the peak light on, too.  Perhaps after I get the line-in jack fixed and my warranty expires, I'll open it up again and snip out the button LED..  Version 1.20 adds display mode settings for optimizing battery life  Wonder if that's just from turning the the two LEDs off (part of the time  )or if other battery optimizing changes were made.  No mention of them if there were.

[dorrcoq]

Anyone have luck with an 8GB card yet?

I'll run the update tonight, but I assume that the big red light is going to come on (for 10 sec. or whatever the display power save feature is set at) if I disengage hold and adjust the input level, right?

Yes

[gmm6797]

Anyone have luck with an 8GB card yet?
I'll run the update tonight, but I assume that the big red light is going to come on (for 10 sec. or whatever the display power save feature is set at) if I disengage hold and adjust the input level, right?

Yes

Which Make? Model? cost? from?  Share the fun with the rest of us :-)

Managed to crush a 4gb card, thinking its time to get an 8gb for summer festivals ;-)

[Gutbucket]

Which Make? Model? cost? from?  Share the fun with the rest of us :-)

Managed to crush a 4gb card, thinking its time to get an 8gb for summer festivals ;-)

Yeah. What he said. If I add an 8GB to my existing 4GB I can pretty much roll all day.
Transcend?

Edit-
Transcend 8GB SDHC ordered.. total cost was less than the original 4GB (after rebate) which I also ordered from Newegg and this order includes FedEx overnight and a same day processing fees! 

[spyder9]

Here's three 8GB cards to choose from at newegg.  Prices shipped:  $55.00 - $65.00.  Dirt cheap.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?DEPA=0&type=&Description=8gb+sdhc&Submit=ENE&N=0&Ntk=all&Go.x=0&Go.y=0

[gmm6797]

Holy cow!

Just weeks ago, they were 150.... amazing price drop

[Gutbucket]

The Transcend 8GB SDHC card I orderd from Newegg arrived today.  Did the firmware update to 1.2 on the R-09 first, then formatted the 8GB card in the recorder.  SD card info menu reports 7.50GB available. In Rec/Pause the display indicates 7:46:18 time remaining at the 24/48 setting.  So far so good.

Just a reminder: With the exception of the date/time setting, all other options will default back to the factory settings (44.1khz/16bit, display brightness 5, etc.) when the firmware is updated.

The setting for switching off the Rec & peak LED is at the bottom of the display setting page which requires a scroll down to find (it's the only menu that has enough options to require a scroll).  Simple, but I missed that initially and didn't see the option displayed.

I set the file size limitation to 64MB (vs. 2GB where I would normally set it, just so I didn't have to wait so long) to test seamless file splitting and started a test recording of music thru my computer speakers. First noticed that while recording, the progress bar at the upper right of the screen that fills as the recording progresses represents how much of the file limitation size has been used.  So though there is no exact indication of how many MB of data have been written to the current file, a general visual reference is there.  I think that bar was always there with earlier updates, but I never took much notice of it before.  But I will now because...

Once it got to the 64MB, I got an error message on the display: SD card slow   push any key and the card started filling rapidly with tiny files.  I pushed buttons, but the card kept filling, until the whole recorder finally locked up and was completely unresponsive to any button pushing including the power button.  The creation of tiny files stopped at this point, but I had to remove the batteries to reset.  On power up I could start a new recording, but there was a latency of about 5 seconds between hitting the REC button and actually entering REC/PAUSE, likely because there were over 400 files on the card at that point.  No latency going from REC/PAUSE to REC mode, and no problems with either the new recording (stopped before the file limit) or the original full 64MB one.

Checked file information on the recorder which showed:
The first 63.99MB file
Hundreds of 1.54KB files

Uploaded the files to the computer to take a look:
Same deal. Interestingly but unimportantly, the file numbering changed after the 250th file'et.
.
.
R09_0248.WAV
R09_0249.WAV
R09_0250.WAV
R09_0251-1.WAV
R09_0251-2.WAV
R09_0251-3.WAV
.
.
etc..

Deleted the small files but did not re-format the card.  Disconnected from the computer and tried another recording which worked fine with no latency (as expected without hundreds of files on the card).  Checked the max file setting which had reset itself to the default 2GB position.

Tried the same test again using the Transcend 4GB SD card.
No problem with the seamless split at 64MB

So

1.20 works fine with my 4GB card, but I have to be very careful not to exceed the max file limit setting when using the 8GB card (regardless of the setting - too bad there isn't a no file size limit option). What I should have done before the firmware update was try the 8GB card with firmware 1.10 since all I gain from this firmware update is the peak metering, which admittedly is nice.  I won't use the ability to kill the REC & PEAK LED's since I like the peak LED and it doesn't kill the REC light if I push any buttons anyway.

At least it will format the larger card properly, but I'd rather not have to worry about going over 2GB.  Fortunately I rarely have files much larger than 1.5GB but I am disappointed.

Two questions:
Anyone experience the same problem using any other brand of 8GB card?
Does firmware 1.10 work OK with the Transcend 8GB SDHC card / Can it format it ?

[china_rider]

Wish I was following this thread earlier... I started a thread someplace when the firmware was first released that the transcend 8gig card would not work and I got the same results you just posted.  Either Chris Church or GuySonic confirmed the results.  I believe one also said that if you put a large file (maybe 2gig) on the card before recording you will not see the above problem.  I reported it to Edirol they called me back a few days later for a better description than I had in my problem report.  They said they would try to look at this in the next firmware release but for now 4gig cards are the largest officially reported.  I'd point you to the thread but don't have time to search for it right now.

[Gutbucket]

...Did you try the 8GB card with the 2GB split?  Maybe this bug is just related to 64MB splits.

Not yet, I'll run a longer test recording tonight with the 2GB setting.

Either way, I bet they'll fix it if you report it.

How does one go about that?

[Gutbucket]

Wish I was following this thread earlier... I started a thread someplace when the firmware was first released that the transcend 8gig card would not work and I got the same results you just posted.  Either Chris Church or GuySonic confirmed the results.  I believe one also said that if you put a large file (maybe 2gig) on the card before recording you will not see the above problem.  I reported it to Edirol they called me back a few days later for a better description than I had in my problem report.  They said they would try to look at this in the next firmware release but for now 4gig cards are the largest officially reported.  I'd point you to the thread but don't have time to search for it right now.

Thanks,
Now that you've reminded me, I do recall that thread (I remember the small files filling the card issue being mentioned) but couln't rember it it was resolved or not and what the issues were.  If Edirol knows about it, should I bother to report it?

[china_rider]

I'd report it...  The more people that report it the more people they know it effects.

Just goto their website and go through the support links and you will find how to report it.  I signed my support ticket with my name and cell number and one of their engineers actually called me back for more info.

So far their support has been really good... Got the first call before starting this thread when asking about 4gig cards and they let me know that 1.2 was about to be released in the next few days.  Then another when reporting the 8.  It seems like support issues don't go into a black hole like with some companies.

[china_rider]

Moke... Check your PMs.

[udovdh]

What about 1.30? (with fixes for >4GB SDHC?)

[Gutbucket]

What about 1.30? (with fixes for >4GB SDHC?)

Step into my time machine...

[dorrcoq]

What about 1.30? (with fixes for >4GB SDHC?)

Maybe they will never upgrade to allow larger cards.  Certainly not just because you bought one.

[udovdh]

In my time we expect bugfree software....


How can I contact roland/edirol support? On the websites I found no good way to do so.

[Brennan]

Call up 323-890-3741 (LA Area Code)

That's for Digital Recorders + Mixers. It's for Roland, the parent company to Edirol. Give em a call and let us know where you get with them!

[joekar]

computer newbie checking in....

Mac oriented question:

I download the update, and get a file, that when I try to expand it, it opens MS Word, and then nothing else happens.
The name of the file from Edirol is "R09_update_120.sit"
This file, ^^, opens Word, but does nothing else.

The update instruction says to  " Copy the DMZ15.UPD file (already extracted) to the R-09 root directory."

What am I doing wrong, where I can't seem to find / get this DMZ15.UPD file?

Hey,
 Sorry I didn't see this earlier......I use both a Mac (G5 main) and a PC (back up)......I've found that the update software from Edirol is not very MAC friendly......I tried to use the MAC for the last update and had all kinds of problems...The R-09 wouldn't see the file on the SD card....I couldn't get it to work...I then used the PC and everything was flawless.....I don't know why...but that's what I had to do........I've never had a problem between the G5 and the R-09 but I usually use a reader to transfer....If you have a PC nearby just use that for the update.....then use the MAC to edit/copy/store/listen/etc....

Peace,
jk

[ballerusk]

I've updated my R-09 twice through my iBook G4 without any problems.

Downloaded the update
Extracted it with StuffIt
Connected R-09 to USB-port (shows as external device or whatever)
Just drag the extracted update file to the icon of the R-09
Drag the R-09 icon to the trash can and after the icon disappear disconnect the R-09 from the USB

Then I think you have to turn the R-09 on and off to install the updated firmware, but the manual should help you there.

[joekar]

I tried that several times and it wouldn't work......I would drag the file into the R-09 just fine but the R-09 wouldn't see it.....I may be stupid sometimes, but it wouldn't work for me............

                   
"I'm not worthy" 

Peace 
jk

[guysonic]

What about 1.30? (with fixes for >4GB SDHC?)

Maybe they will never upgrade to allow larger cards.  Certainly not just because you bought one.

I had a thought recently about the 8GIG autospan problem which if happens, will stop a user DEAD-IN-THE-FIELD if not wanting to reformat the card, losing everything recorded before the autospan fault occurred.   It takes deleting too many files(?) to get the card to function again I think.

I suppose having another flash card to use until getting back to a computer to extract the good files is good tact, but maybe Roland can do better if not able to fix 8 gig fault in next firmware upgrade by putting in feature to TURN OFF AUTO SPAN for users of >4 GIF SDHC cards.

This way recordist can have some warning that file size limit is about to occur and MANUALLY STOP THE RECORDING to start another file.  This would seem better than having the deck lock up with flash flooded to be useless with hundreds of files, making further recording IMPOSSIBLE unless taking a too many minutes to power down, replace with another flash card. 

So I am thinking having at least AUTO-SPAN defeat, and having to start another file manually is far better than what we have now if needing to carry around more than 4 gig capacity.

[ballerusk]

I tried that several times and it wouldn't work......I would drag the file into the R-09 just fine but the R-09 wouldn't see it.....I may be stupid sometimes, but it wouldn't work for me............

                   
"I'm not worthy" 

Peace 
jk

Hmm reformat and reset? Maybe that'll work? Try that, and do the same thing as I've done, including following the instructions in the manual. I know there was no instruction-file that came with the last firmware, but there was one on the one before that, try using that as well. It might sound silly, but when you're following the instructions (like you have no free will), at least there's not a problem with you

I really don't know what else you could do as it's all been "drag, drop, follow instructions" for me.

[Gutbucket]

I had a thought recently about the 8GIG autospan problem which if happens, will stop a user DEAD-IN-THE-FIELD if not wanting to reformat the card, losing everything recorded before the autospan fault occurred.   It takes deleting too many files(?) to get the card to function again I think.

I suppose having another flash card to use until getting back to a computer to extract the good files is good tact, but maybe Roland can do better if not able to fix 8 gig fault in next firmware upgrade by putting in feature to TURN OFF AUTO SPAN for users of >4 GIF SDHC cards.

This way recordist can have some warning that file size limit is about to occur and MANUALLY STOP THE RECORDING to start another file.  This would seem better than having the deck lock up with flash flooded to be useless with hundreds of files, making further recording IMPOSSIBLE unless taking a too many minutes to power down, replace with another flash card. 

So I am thinking having at least AUTO-SPAN defeat, and having to start another file manually is far better than what we have now if needing to carry around more than 4 gig capacity.

That's a good idea.  I'd like a 4GB setting as well, but that would be admitting 8GB cards are 'sort of' supported.

FWIW, I found that when I've reached the auto span point (during test recordings only so far, since I've stopped and started a new file before reaching the 2GB point on any real recordings using v1.2) and the recorder freaks out, I have pushed buttons and the unit freezes up before completely filling the card.  I could then open an close the batt door to remove power and reset the recorder, reboot and continue with another recording on the remaining card space.  No need to reformat and loose the original file. The small trash files filled around 1GB or so of the total 8GB card both times I tried it before lock-up.  The original and the new audio files transfered later without problem.  I feel more confident with a second card as backup running this firmware and will try to make every effort to avoid the split, but I didn't find myself totally dead-in-the-water, even if my confidence level is lower when the 8GB card is in there.  It sure is nice to have all that space though.

[udovdh]

Made a few calls.
When the US Roland support heard I was calling from the Netherlands they offered info for European Roland support.
So I called Roland Belgium in the end. (+32(0)14 57 58 11)
The guy that handled my questions was friendly and made clear that SDHC support is only guaranteed up to 4GB. He will speak to (other) Roland people and let them know about the 8GB issue.

[Looney]

Where in the menu's can you set the file size auto span?

[udovdh]

Where in the menu's can you set the file size auto span?

Somewhere. It is not hard to find.
See the manual. Or Edirol's website.

[udovdh]

Any status updates for new R-09 firmware? 

[spyder9]

With the Zoom H2 about to be released in the next few weeks, I wouldn't be surprised to see Edirol announce another firmware update regarding 8gb cards real soon.     

[udovdh]

So probably just in time for the summer festivals?

[udovdh]

Any updates?
http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/dld.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=1072 still only shows 1.20?

[sleepypedro]

Any updates?
http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/dld.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=1072 still only shows 1.20?

... which sort of answers your question neatly and cleanly, doesn't it:  no, there are no updates.

spyder9 prefaced his speculative comment about 8gb support with "i wouldn't be surprised...", surely you didn't take this as a statement of fact from Edirol?

[spyder9]

I spoke with Edirol last week.  They are working on the 8gb update, with no timetable for release.   

[udovdh]

I spoke with Edirol last week.  They are working on the 8gb update, with no timetable for release.   

Thanks. Some people are really looking forward to that update release! Please tell them that. 

[lbgspam]

I spoke with Edirol last week.  They are working on the 8gb update, with no timetable for release.   

Thanks. Some people are really looking forward to that update release! Please tell them that. 

1 month later, anything new?  6 months to get a new firmware for 8gb is disappointing

[spyder9]

Here's the official R09 page.  If they do a new release, it will show up under Downloads.

http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=757&ParentId=109

[taosmay]

I need mac help with this download. I downloaded 1.20, got the "R09_update_12-_sit" file, which I double clicked on, which produced "R09_update_120" file. When I double click on that, computer (mac mini G4) asks what appication to open the document in... I was lost here, and probably shouldn't have continued, but I chose AppleScript, and then Apple Script Dictionary. But when I double click on the "DMZ15.UPD" file, the computer will not open it since it is " unable to read the dictionary of the application since it is not scriptable".

How do I move the "DMZ15.UPD" file to another application, and to what application do I move it to(assuming I have that application)?

[china_rider]

I need mac help with this download. I downloaded 1.20, got the "R09_update_12-_sit" file, which I double clicked on, which produced "R09_update_120" file. When I double click on that, computer (mac mini G4) asks what appication to open the document in... I was lost here, and probably shouldn't have continued, but I chose AppleScript, and then Apple Script Dictionary. But when I double click on the "DMZ15.UPD" file, the computer will not open it since it is " unable to read the dictionary of the application since it is not scriptable".

How do I move the "DMZ15.UPD" file to another application, and to what application do I move it to(assuming I have that application)?

Sent you a PM and replied to your email.  I'll respond here too since it may help a few people.  I don't have a mac but have helped a few people with macs do the upgrade.  I think the instructions may just be confusing people.  All you actually need is the DMZ15.UPD file.  That is the firmware upgrade.  Copy that to the root of your R-9 and turn the R-9 off.  Then press power + record at the same time to turn it back on.  It will cycle through a few error messages which is normal and then get to a screen that shows current version and the version of the new firmware.  Hit record to start the upgrade process.  The lights will flash and there will be a progress bar.  *DO NOT* turn it off during the upgrade process.  The whole thing should take a min or so.  Once it says it is done turn off the R-9 and turn it back on and you should see the new version of firmware in the corner of the boot up screen.  You can delete the DMZ file off the R-9 now if you want to.

Hope that helps,
Dana

[taosmay]

What is the "root of the R-9"? When I double click on the "no name" icon on my desktop, I get a empty window folder entitled "no name". Is that window the root of the R-9?

[china_rider]

The 'root' directory just means don't create a sub folder to put the firmware on the R-9.  Just copy it to the base directory.  For example if you unzip the file to a directory don't copy the whole directory over.  Just copy the one firmware file.

[taosmay]

Still having issues... Seems to me that I cannot unzip the file to a directory, so I can't copy the firmware file to the R-9. When I double click on the DMZ15.UPD file I get - "unable to read the dictionary of the application or extension because it is not scriptable"(the application I put the file in was apple script dictionary, when I was asked where to place it). When I ok the above quoted window, I get another window saying "The document "DMZ15.UPD" could not be opened. Script Editor cannot open files in "the script editor document" format".

Guess I will not be using the new R-9 this weekend at my local festival - www.solarmusicfest.com  - so, I will just use the 'ol D100 dat. Maybe these issues can be figured out during the week... Thanks for your help, china_rider.

[taosmay]

yes, china_rider already said that, but what is and/or where do I find the "root directory"?. Is that the blank window that appears after I double click on the "no name" icon?

[hi and lo]

yes, china_rider already said that, but what is and/or where do I find the "root directory"?. Is that the blank window that appears after I double click on the "no name" icon?

I thought the directions were very clear.. but maybe I can help (if you're using a pc)

Download the .zip file from here (http://www.rolandus.com/support/downloads_updates/eula.aspx?DownloadId=1817)... save it to your desktop.

Unzip the contents of the file to your desktop.. if you don't know how to do this... i can't help you.

Insert the SD card that came with your edirol into the r-09.. turn it on, format the card, and then plug it into your computer via the USB.

Open up "my computer".. you will see a new drive (mine is F:).. this is the SD card. Copy/paste the .upd file to that drive.

Safetly unplug the R-09.. turn it off... turn it back on while pressing record.

You do not.. at any point... double-click the .UPD file.. I have no idea where you got this notion from.. it doesn't open with any program, you simply copy/paste it to the SD card and then reboot the R-09.. honestly.. the directions are very clear. took me 10 minutes.

-t to me for being harsh.. but i hope this helps

[udovdh]

The R-09 firmware with an 8GB fix is still not there.
Is the development gone for this device?

[guysonic]

The R-09 firmware with an 8GB fix is still not there.
Is the development gone for this device?

Might be the protocol implementation for SDHC cards from different manufacturers varies too much to get a 'handle' on a firmware fix that works reliably. 

Case in point is where Transcend SDHC 4/8 GIG originally worked fine (except for any make of 8 gig auto spanning fault) when they first came out with v1.10/1.20 upgrades, and then stopped working in R-09 with later Transcend production runs that 'changed something' to where R-09 couldn't use them anymore.

[udovdh]

The R-09 firmware with an 8GB fix is still not there.
Is the development gone for this device?

Might be the protocol implementation for SDHC cards from different manufacturers varies too much to get a 'handle' on a firmware fix that works reliably. 

So much for a standard...

If the cards can be uniquely identified one could program around the differences in implementation?

Case in point is where Transcend SDHC 4/8 GIG originally worked fine (except for any make of 8 gig auto spanning fault) when they first came out with v1.10/1.20 upgrades, and then stopped working in R-09 with later Transcend production runs that 'changed something' to where R-09 couldn't use them anymore.

Whicht of the current Transcend 4GB cards work OK with the v1.20 R-09 firmware?
Can I get 4GB SDHC cards?
Or should I stay with non-SDHC to be sure?

[guysonic]

The R-09 firmware with an 8GB fix is still not there.
Is the development gone for this device?

Might be the protocol implementation for SDHC cards from different manufacturers varies too much to get a 'handle' on a firmware fix that works reliably. 

So much for a standard...

If the cards can be uniquely identified one could program around the differences in implementation?

Case in point is where Transcend SDHC 4/8 GIG originally worked fine (except for any make of 8 gig auto spanning fault) when they first came out with v1.10/1.20 upgrades, and then stopped working in R-09 with later Transcend production runs that 'changed something' to where R-09 couldn't use them anymore.

Whicht of the current Transcend 4GB cards work OK with the v1.20 R-09 firmware?
Can I get 4GB SDHC cards?
Or should I stay with non-SDHC to be sure?

Some here  have attempted to track Transcend SDHC production of working R-09 cards, but to my knowledge no solution to knowing which previous runs over newer runs has been reported successful.

4 GIG regular SD types are NOT within usual SD type standard with some not working well with R-09.  Suggest sticking with 4 GIG SDHC from Kingston Elite Pro and Sandisk Ultra II which seem to work for everyone, at least so far.

[it-goes-to-eleven]

Might be the protocol implementation for SDHC cards from different manufacturers varies too much to get a 'handle' on a firmware fix that works reliably. 

And yet... We don't seem to hear of many CF problems from 7xx owners and that is a much older piece of hardware.

[jmz93]

Anybody have a hunch or some info about new firmware?

[gmm6797]

With regards to the SDHC issue, there are 1 standards, "Class 2" and "Class 6"... here is a recent review of a bunch of them: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/memory-hog-battlemodo/among-many-fast-sdhc-cards--only-one-is-king-of-speed-278351.php

Kind of seems like a lot of work to program for both classes, so I would say give them some time @ Edirol

[guysonic]

Class type is JUST SPEED RATING, and has nothing to do with SDHC protocol implementation.  Class 1 should be plenty fast for audio modes, and I recall somebody trying a class 6 Sandisk and having troubles, but might have been just a bad card.

All flash cards CAN CHANGE SOMETHING IN PRODUCTION while still conforming to protocol specs.  Even 722 is not immune to CF cards becoming altered by manufacturing change causing past reliable brand to not work anymore, or so it seems.

More about manufacturing change of controller IC's inside cards at: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007

[prof_peabody]

Anyone out there running the 4gb Transcend SDHC card?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?SID=256439-9-0-RAM-0&Item=N82E16820208090&ATT=20-208-090&CMP=OTC-dealram&cm_mmc=OTC-dealram-_-Memory+(Flash+Memory)-_-Transcend-_-20208090

[guysonic]

When first shipped, I and most everyone found Transcend 4 & 8 Gig SDHC working well with at least v1.10 installed. 

But NOT now as in recent few months a lot of people find Transcend SDHC model series do not format or give so many trashed file errors to be unusable. 

As a result of current experiences with this make of card I have revised my recommendation of this and other cards in the memory section of review at: www.sonicstudios.com/r-09revw.htm#memory

[prof_peabody]

When first shipped, I and most everyone found Transcend 4 & 8 Gig SDHC working well with at least v1.10 installed. 

But NOT now as in recent few months a lot of people find Transcend SDHC model series do not format or give so many trashed file errors to be unusable. 

As a result of current experiences with this make of card I have revised my recommendation of this and other cards in the memory section of review at: www.sonicstudios.com/r-09revw.htm#memory

So basically the Kingston 4 GB SDHC is the cheapest reliable card out there?  Can anyone else verify this?

[blindman]

So basically the Kingston 4 GB SDHC is the cheapest reliable card out there?  Can anyone else verify this?

I am using a OCZ 4GB Secure Digital High-Capacity(SDHC) Flash Card Model OCZSDHC6-4GB Class 6 with perfect results
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227234

I have had NO issues using a Kingston 4GB SDHC Class 2.

R-09 v1.20

[firebaugh]

I'm using the Transcend 4GB SDHC Class 2 with my R-09 and v1.20.  I've only taped a friends band practice (24/44.1 550MB file) so far but I haven't had any issues.  I have two of the Transcend cards and I formated both of them in the R-09, not in Windows.

[trazan]

Class type is JUST SPEED RATING, and has nothing to do with SDHC protocol implementation.  Class 1 should be plenty fast for audio modes, and I recall somebody trying a class 6 Sandisk and having troubles, but might have been just a bad card.

But a speedier card would matter when tranferring files to and from the card via USB, no?

[gmm6797]

My understanding is that recording is realtime, and the card speed is not a factor until reading the files out or poping the card into a pc/reader

[guysonic]

As we have learned, write speed for audio is the sustained continuous rating (not burst rate), and read speed is usually only as fast as continuous read rating, and maybe faster depending on the design of the card reader.

As different cards have implemented a standard read/write protocol in slightly different manner depending on manufacturing/design variables, the design of the card reader seems most important in getting the best possible speed from a particular make of card. 

Tests have shown fastest card read speeds (especially those given in burst speed specifications) are mostly ONLY possible if using a reader made by the same manufacturer. 

[taosmay]

My new R-09 came with ver 1.03 installed. Do I first need to go up to ver 1.10, before jumping to ver 1.20, or can I go from 1.03 directly to 1.20? I tried going from the current v1.03 to v1.20 with a formatted SanDisk 2GB card, but the R-09 didn't seem to recognize the update, or I screwed something up in the process...Is it ok to use a formatted SanDisk 2GB card, or is it better to use the 64mb card that the R-09 came with instead?

[Josephine]

My new R-09 came with ver 1.03 installed. Do I first need to go up to ver 1.10, before jumping to ver 1.20, or can I go from 1.03 directly to 1.20?

Go directly to 1.20.

[taosmay]

This new firmware 1.20 update is not happening for me...I'm a Mac person, using a Mac Mini, although I know very little about computers in general...Here is what I've done -think I've got this is the right order...(although I first tried this with a SanDisk 2GB card, and that didn't work either...)


1. Inserted the 64mb SD card that came w/the R-09, turned it on, formatted the card, turned the R-09 off.
2. Got the R09_update_120.sit
3. Unzipped that to my desktop - R09_update_120
4. Double clicked on this update icon, which produces a window with the DMZ15.UPD firmware.
4. Turned R-09 on, showed main screen, connected it to Mac via USB.
5. "No Name" icon appears on desktop. Double-clicked on this icon to produce a new window entitled "No Name" - and that window is completly blank.
6. Dragged the DMZ15.UPD firmware over to the empty window entitled "No Name", and dropped in that empty window. At this point the computer said it copied the material over.
7. Disconnected the R-09 from the computer(by dragging the "No Name" icon from the desktop to the eject dock, and disconnected the USB cable), and turned the R-09 off.
8. Pressed power and record at the same time to turn on the R-09(no error messages came up)

At this point it started up as it had previously, saying ver 1.03 at startup, and going to the main screen, and everthing looking as it had before...no screen showing details of current firmware version and the new one - I was told that "If it finds the firmware a screen will show that details the current firmware version, and the new one". This didn't happen. Any suggestions on what I am doing wrong?

[justink]

v. 1.10 is working perfectly for me now, i'm afraid to attempt to install any newer firmware.

v. 1.20 doesn't seem to have any new features that i really care for (besides the record light function), but i hardly ever stealth anyway.

i WOULD like to see them maybe change the level bars a bit.  it would be nice if they made the space between -12 dbs to 0 dbs larger.  it's sometimes hard to see when you get close up there.

and more preferably over the above... i'd LOVE to see them somehow make the usb functional as a digi-in.  that would be awesome.

-j

[guysonic]

This new firmware 1.20 update is not happening for me...I'm a Mac person, using a Mac Mini, although I know very little about computers in general...Here is what I've done -think I've got this is the right order...(although I first tried this with a SanDisk 2GB card, and that didn't work either...)


1. Inserted the 64mb SD card that came w/the R-09, turned it on, formatted the card, turned the R-09 off.
2. Got the R09_update_120.sit
3. Unzipped that to my desktop - R09_update_120
4. Double clicked on this update icon, which produces a window with the DMZ15.UPD firmware.
4. Turned R-09 on, showed main screen, connected it to Mac via USB.
5. "No Name" icon appears on desktop. Double-clicked on this icon to produce a new window entitled "No Name" - and that window is completly blank.
6. Dragged the DMZ15.UPD firmware over to the empty window entitled "No Name", and dropped in that empty window. At this point the computer said it copied the material over.
7. Disconnected the R-09 from the computer(by dragging the "No Name" icon from the desktop to the eject dock, and disconnected the USB cable), and turned the R-09 off.
8. Pressed power and record at the same time to turn on the R-09(no error messages came up)

At this point it started up as it had previously, saying ver 1.03 at startup, and going to the main screen, and everthing looking as it had before...no screen showing details of current firmware version and the new one - I was told that "If it finds the firmware a screen will show that details the current firmware version, and the new one". This didn't happen. Any suggestions on what I am doing wrong?

Suggest reformat of the 64MB card inside the R-09.  If you have a card reader, insert the formatted card in this and directly transfer the file into the card (follow instructions as to exactly where UPD file is placed), then insert card in R-09 and try the update startup procedure again.

If this fails, then download the upate and unzip the file again as maybe it got corrupted in the process.

[trazan]

This new firmware 1.20 update is not happening for me...I'm a Mac person, using a Mac Mini, although I know very little about computers in general...Here is what I've done -think I've got this is the right order...(although I first tried this with a SanDisk 2GB card, and that didn't work either...)


1. Inserted the 64mb SD card that came w/the R-09, turned it on, formatted the card, turned the R-09 off.
2. Got the R09_update_120.sit
3. Unzipped that to my desktop - R09_update_120
4. Double clicked on this update icon, which produces a window with the DMZ15.UPD firmware.
4. Turned R-09 on, showed main screen, connected it to Mac via USB.
5. "No Name" icon appears on desktop. Double-clicked on this icon to produce a new window entitled "No Name" - and that window is completly blank.
6. Dragged the DMZ15.UPD firmware over to the empty window entitled "No Name", and dropped in that empty window. At this point the computer said it copied the material over.
7. Disconnected the R-09 from the computer(by dragging the "No Name" icon from the desktop to the eject dock, and disconnected the USB cable), and turned the R-09 off.
8. Pressed power and record at the same time to turn on the R-09(no error messages came up)

At this point it started up as it had previously, saying ver 1.03 at startup, and going to the main screen, and everthing looking as it had before...no screen showing details of current firmware version and the new one - I was told that "If it finds the firmware a screen will show that details the current firmware version, and the new one". This didn't happen. Any suggestions on what I am doing wrong?

The same happened to a friend with a Mac. For some reason it didn't work when he copied the DMZ15.UPD directly to the SD card. He had to drag DMZ15.UPD to a folder on his harddisk first, and then to the SD card. Don't ask me why 

[taosmay]

I tried doing what trazan suggested. I opened a new folder on my desktop, dragged the DMZ15.UPD file over and dropped it in that window/folder. I turned the r-09 on(w/ the formatted 64mb SD card innserted), and plugged it into the Mac over USB. I opened the No Name icon on the desktop, and dragged the DMZ15.UPD from the new folder over and dropped it in the No Name window. Computer said it was copied over. I disconnected the r-09 from the computer and turned the r-09 off. I pressed power and record at the same time on the r-09 to turn it on. No error messages came up, and no screen came up which indicated that it found the current firmware version and the new one... On start-up, it started like it did previously, saying ver 1.03, and then going to the main screen.

When I re-connected it over USB to the Mac and double click on the No Name icon, the window that appears has DMZ15.UPD inside it...

[udovdh]

Did you first disconnect the R09 by software before physically disconnecting the cable?

[evilchris]

Hold the REC button while turning it on.  Pressing them at the same time doesn't quite cut it.