i might disagree, i think theyre 461's....especially since where most of these sources are from ive been there, and d00d runs 461's>mp-2>snm-1>sony, but i dunno, what does that mean, maybe 461's, w/ modded bodies, or ,maybe 61 caps on a 480???i dunno, but i know the guy where most of these sources are coming from, and he runs 460's....