They sound awesome and are the best bang-for-the-buck VSA speakers (used). I've seen pairs go for $1500 on A'gon. The downside is that they're freakin' HUGE and ugly. The 4jrs are probably another $1k above that used, but are much nicer looking. The soundstage of the jrs isn't as expansive as the original 4s, but I think this can be a good thing depending on your room. The jrs can live in a smaller room.