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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #405 on: July 18, 2022, 05:00:01 PM »

I don’t want to use “Auto Gain”.

I assume then that the “MNL” indication on the screen is indicating that I’m not using it?

Therefore the “High/Low” is irrelevent?

Yup! And it remembers your settings that you want manual gain (I just double-checked), so you just need to select "audio in" when you plug your mics in, and you're good to go.

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #406 on: July 18, 2022, 05:02:36 PM »

I don’t want to use “Auto Gain”.

I assume then that the “MNL” indication on the screen is indicating that I’m not using it?

Therefore the “High/Low” is irrelevent?

Yup! And it remembers your settings that you want manual gain (I just double-checked), so you just need to select "audio in" when you plug your mics in, and you're good to go.

Fantastic, thanks!
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #407 on: July 18, 2022, 06:25:28 PM »
Unity gain is 4 on Audio In, I believe
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #408 on: July 19, 2022, 12:59:58 AM »

Was a ridiculously killer show too. So bummed. Teach me to try off-brand cards. Just can't believe it's possible to SEE LEVELS RECORDING FINE and end up with nothing.

Uggggh, so sorry. That is the absolute worst.

Yeah. Ultimate pain. At least there are others out there who understand haha.

e: For future reference, don't be a dumbass like me and buy fake cards - https://recoverhdd.com/blog/recovering-data-from-fake-sd-cards.html




As a followup, now that I'm home, I tried WAV repair tool and nothing. Examined file in a hex editor and all the data after the failure point is entirely empty (nothin' but 00's), so it's a dud.

I still got a SBD recording from this show on a separate device. So it is still preserved. But for me a huge part of the memories are in the ambience. I hate sharing cold SBD. Ah well. Live and learn. Don't use cheap huge cards, y'all.
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #409 on: July 19, 2022, 10:28:48 PM »
auto gain is useful to preserve talking, and that's about it.
Background noise will fluctuate in opposition to loudness of the main signal.
That optimizes for intelligibility of the speech content, at the expense of preserving a realistic volume level record of the happening
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #410 on: July 19, 2022, 11:12:35 PM »
auto gain is useful to preserve talking, and that's about it.
Background noise will fluctuate in opposition to loudness of the main signal.
That optimizes for intelligibility of the speech content, at the expense of preserving a realistic volume level record of the happening

If I want louder talking, that's what dynamic compression is for. Or Music Rebalance in iZotope RX.

I don't even use auto gain for interviews. If someone could make a chopped A10 with auto gain physically removed, I would buy it.

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #411 on: July 20, 2022, 08:08:17 AM »
Is there any way to remove the “Use Sync Rec function to record?” message that pops up when you plug mics in?
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #412 on: July 20, 2022, 02:59:39 PM »
auto gain is useful to preserve talking, and that's about it.
Background noise will fluctuate in opposition to loudness of the main signal.
That optimizes for intelligibility of the speech content, at the expense of preserving a realistic volume level record of the happening

If I want louder talking, that's what dynamic compression is for. Or Music Rebalance in iZotope RX.



I would bet that not all of sony's customers do post production
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #413 on: July 26, 2022, 11:30:14 AM »
I need a refresher for  >:D tonight - audio in should be ok for a small (~200) club with nbobs/baby nbox, right? I remember mic in being crazy hot last time I ran and you can't change between audio/mic in through the app. Thanks!
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #414 on: July 26, 2022, 04:32:18 PM »
I need a refresher for  >:D tonight - audio in should be ok for a small (~200) club with nbobs/baby nbox, right? I remember mic in being crazy hot last time I ran and you can't change between audio/mic in through the app. Thanks!

I have never run anything but audio in, even for unamplified acoustic shows.

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #415 on: July 27, 2022, 03:40:00 PM »
I need a refresher for  >:D tonight - audio in should be ok for a small (~200) club with nbobs/baby nbox, right? I remember mic in being crazy hot last time I ran and you can't change between audio/mic in through the app. Thanks!

I have never run anything but audio in, even for unamplified acoustic shows.

Except on a couple of occasions when I fucked up >:( - same for me.
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #416 on: August 01, 2022, 08:57:18 AM »
How much metal is in this thing? I just bought its distant brother ICD-SX2000 and have heard that the ICD model is metal-based while the PCM-A10 isn't. Is that true?
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #417 on: August 01, 2022, 05:07:45 PM »
How much metal is in this thing? I just bought its distant brother ICD-SX2000 and have heard that the ICD model is metal-based while the PCM-A10 isn't. Is that true?

Very little. The microphones and the mic stand mount could be extracted leaving almost nothing.
 
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #418 on: August 02, 2022, 03:47:44 PM »
I made my first two recordings this weekend using two A10s (one SBD, one AUD), and not only did bluetooth control work seamlessly, but I was amazed get home and find that the two clocks seem to have been in perfect sync — I didn't need to do any time stretching to line them up in Audacity.

Anyone else know if this is an unreported feature, or if I just got super-lucky with my two devices?

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #419 on: August 02, 2022, 10:43:27 PM »
I made my first two recordings this weekend using two A10s (one SBD, one AUD), and not only did bluetooth control work seamlessly, but I was amazed get home and find that the two clocks seem to have been in perfect sync — I didn't need to do any time stretching to line them up in Audacity.

Anyone else know if this is an unreported feature, or if I just got super-lucky with my two devices?

I've spent a happy hour today trying to persuade mine to connect to my usual quite modern phone by BT but it won't.  So I heaved a five year old phone out of a drawer and that works fine.  Moral - don't assume that your phone will work with it.  As for sync - that probably depends on the quality of the oscillator and it would seem that Sony haven't skimped on that.

 

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