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Re: Looking for a new recorder for stealth recording
« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2022, 03:47:28 AM »
Recorders are bit boxes, storing 1s and 0s.  That is all they do.  So, the notion that a new recorder is somehow better than the digital ones being produced ten years ago is flawed.  DR2d and Sony M10 rule the stealthy world with long battery life, replaceable batteries and solid proven performance. 

New is not necessarily better. 
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Re: Looking for a new recorder for stealth recording
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2022, 06:07:38 AM »
Recorders are bit boxes, storing 1s and 0s.  That is all they do.  So, the notion that a new recorder is somehow better than the digital ones being produced ten years ago is flawed.  DR2d and Sony M10 rule the stealthy world with long battery life, replaceable batteries and solid proven performance. 

New is not necessarily better.

I am confused by your statement. The two recorders you cite do not have digital inputs, so they do not qualify as "bit boxes". They have analog line / mic inputs and preamps, and the quality of those vary greatly across different devices. There have been significant upgrades over the last 10 years in ADC chips as well. I still have my M10, but I don't use it for any serious concert recording anymore even though I still think it is a great device. The new recorders are clearly far better than the older ones, unless you are looking at the cheapest tier (Zoom H1, etc.).

Case in point: Using the same mics, the quality of recording you get from an old Zoom H series recorder is not anywhere even close to what you get from the new F series. The H6 in particular had very noisy preamps, and the F series ones are dead silent, besides much more advanced ADC. Same goes for old and new Tascam: Dr100 mkIII preamps and ADC are much audibly (and measurably) superior to the DR-70D, which I used heavily.

If you use high-quality external preamps, the playing field becomes a bit more level between the old and new recorders. But if you are running mics straight into one box that does it all, the differences between the old and new recorders becomes pretty clear.

EDIT: I should add that I do not have any firsthand experience with "stealth" recording, and I acknowledge I am including much larger devices in my statements.
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Re: Looking for a new recorder for stealth recording
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2022, 11:40:20 AM »
Recorders are bit boxes, storing 1s and 0s.  That is all they do.  So, the notion that a new recorder is somehow better than the digital ones being produced ten years ago is flawed.  DR2d and Sony M10 rule the stealthy world with long battery life, replaceable batteries and solid proven performance. 

Skirting the whole issue of preamps, small recorders also differ in size, bluetooth capability, internal mics, etc.

Different people will have different preferences, depending on what they're recording and how and with what additional gear. I've been very happy with both the Sony M10 and A10, I've heard plenty of great recordings with Tascams, and there are plenty of good phone options now. It's definitely worth reading through all (well most) of the discussions here about the pros and cons of various different recorders, but ultimately just pick something that you think will work for you, and it probably will.

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Re: Looking for a new recorder for stealth recording
« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2022, 01:38:00 PM »
Recorders are bit boxes, storing 1s and 0s.  That is all they do.  So, the notion that a new recorder is somehow better than the digital ones being produced ten years ago is flawed.  DR2d and Sony M10 rule the stealthy world with long battery life, replaceable batteries and solid proven performance. 

Skirting the whole issue of preamps, small recorders also differ in size, bluetooth capability, internal mics, etc.

Different people will have different preferences, depending on what they're recording and how and with what additional gear. I've been very happy with both the Sony M10 and A10, I've heard plenty of great recordings with Tascams, and there are plenty of good phone options now. It's definitely worth reading through all (well most) of the discussions here about the pros and cons of various different recorders, but ultimately just pick something that you think will work for you, and it probably will.

I love the M10. I am very disappointed that Sony has not made something that seems to be a competitive enough update in terms of a new interface, size, other recording settings, and all the other stuff we see in Zooms and TASCAMs now. Even that idea of having a "backup" copy in lower level would be cool. I never got an A10, but I assume it was almost close to the stuff I mentioned I wish the M10's successor was. Too bad that seemed to have had a very short production life because I would have considered it over this TASCAM DR-05X I recently got.

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Re: Looking for a new recorder for stealth recording
« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2022, 07:47:03 PM »
Too bad that seemed to have had a very short production life because I would have considered it over this TASCAM DR-05X I recently got.

My understanding is that Sony didn't discontinue the A10, it's just way backordered because of COVID-related chip shortages.

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Re: Looking for a new recorder for stealth recording
« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2022, 02:30:30 PM »
Too bad that seemed to have had a very short production life because I would have considered it over this TASCAM DR-05X I recently got.

My understanding is that Sony didn't discontinue the A10, it's just way backordered because of COVID-related chip shortages.

Thanks for the information. I seem to remember that Sony said on their website that it wasn't available. I now checked B+H and said back ordered. I would like to get one, so this is a good choice. Sony makes some of the best ones. I must say, however, there's something to be said about that single mic/line input there and I'm a little concerned about that because the TASCAM DR-05X is the same way and it feels like a learning curve since it's not like what I am used to on the PCM-M10 with a dedicated port to each. I mentioned all that on my own thread about my issue with the TASCAM just recently here.
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