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Title: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on May 02, 2007, 01:57:52 PM
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Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Corbin on May 03, 2007, 12:06:20 AM
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Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on May 03, 2007, 12:20:27 AM
hello
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on May 03, 2007, 11:11:55 AM
From the previous thread:

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Quote from: d5 on May 01, 2007, 09:37:40 PM
Quote from: danlynch on April 30, 2007, 04:00:51 PM
Battery meter.  Using rechargeable LaCrosse (charged with the LaCrosse charger).  The meter went down to half-level within a short period of time (maybe 1/2 hour), but stayed at half for the rest of the recording, and was still at half after a 2-hour recording (including phantom powering the dpa's).


I'm guessing the battery type was set to akaline. Alkaline drain differantly than NiMH rechargables, so having the battery type set wrong won't effect the runtime, but it will effect the way meter display because of a wrong interpretation.



Bingo.  Good call.  I've reset them for NiMH.


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Last night I ran the 660 (after properly setting the battery indicator) and the battery meter read full after two hours of recording--including phantom power on the DPA's.
I must say again that this is an extremely easy recorder to run, and the power on the rechargables is quite encouraging.

BCM (with -20dB MIC ATTN engaged!) handled some really powerful PA bursts last night without any clipping or crackling. 

Loving this 660!
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: paullySC on May 04, 2007, 07:58:29 AM
From the previous thread:

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Quote from: d5 on May 01, 2007, 09:37:40 PM
Quote from: danlynch on April 30, 2007, 04:00:51 PM
Battery meter.  Using rechargeable LaCrosse (charged with the LaCrosse charger).  The meter went down to half-level within a short period of time (maybe 1/2 hour), but stayed at half for the rest of the recording, and was still at half after a 2-hour recording (including phantom powering the dpa's).


I'm guessing the battery type was set to akaline. Alkaline drain differantly than NiMH rechargables, so having the battery type set wrong won't effect the runtime, but it will effect the way meter display because of a wrong interpretation.



Bingo.  Good call.  I've reset them for NiMH.


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Last night I ran the 660 (after properly setting the battery indicator) and the battery meter read full after two hours of recording--including phantom power on the DPA's.
I must say again that this is an extremely easy recorder to run, and the power on the rechargables is quite encouraging.

BCM (with -20dB MIC ATTN engaged!) handled some really powerful PA bursts last night without any clipping or crackling. 

Loving this 660!

It certainly is a great box, are you going to get the ACM at some point?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on May 04, 2007, 04:24:54 PM
No, I believe the BCM is best suited for my varied recording needs.  I record a lot of different types of music.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: shukenja on May 04, 2007, 04:44:48 PM
i just ran mine with different dB setting to see whats tha best solution.

im headin northern ireland tomorrow, and will try to get to some nice spaces to record an ocean from the cliffs, or something to that extent. pure field works anyway...

got my pair of mics ready in backpack already :)

and indeed, its a very good machine.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: phr on May 22, 2007, 03:21:09 AM
If anyone cares, I just popped a Sandisk Extreme III 16gb CF card into mine and did a few test recordings (just a few seconds each in different formats).  Worked fine.  I haven't done any longer recordings yet so don't know what will happen past the 2GB mark or whatever.  But it claims to have 284 hours(!) available for stereo mp3 recording, or 25 hours for stereo 44.1 khz WAV. 
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: stevetoney on May 22, 2007, 05:07:11 AM
If anyone cares, I just popped a Sandisk Extreme III 16gb CF card into mine and did a few test recordings (just a few seconds each in different formats).  Worked fine.  I haven't done any longer recordings yet so don't know what will happen past the 2GB mark or whatever.  But it claims to have 284 hours(!) available for stereo mp3 recording, or 25 hours for stereo 44.1 khz WAV. 

That's a start...but I'm wondering about longer recordings.  When I first got some slower, cheaper 4GB media for the Edirol R-09, it was recording just great for an hour or so and then for whatever reason it just spazzed out from there...not even at the 2GB point...and it definitely was the media that caused the problem and not the recorder (most likely the speed of the card).  So, that makes me just kinda leary about the larger cards and, for me, I won't be satisfied enough to actually buy the higher capacity media until others actually run flawlessly for a few recordings, so if possible, please keep reporting your field results.

For now, I'll still stick with 4 GB and smaller, although I really like the idea of 8GB because the record length puts you beyond 99% of the reasonable lengths of a 'music night out' which might include a backup band and a headliner.

In the meantime, thanks for this update and any future updates on in-the-field results you get.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: paullySC on May 22, 2007, 07:39:09 AM
If anyone cares, I just popped a Sandisk Extreme III 16gb CF card into mine and did a few test recordings (just a few seconds each in different formats).  Worked fine.  I haven't done any longer recordings yet so don't know what will happen past the 2GB mark or whatever.  But it claims to have 284 hours(!) available for stereo mp3 recording, or 25 hours for stereo 44.1 khz WAV. 

That's a start...but I'm wondering about longer recordings.  When I first got some slower, cheaper 4GB media for the Edirol R-09, it was recording just great for an hour or so and then for whatever reason it just spazzed out from there...not even at the 2GB point...and it definitely was the media that caused the problem and not the recorder (most likely the speed of the card).  So, that makes me just kinda leary about the larger cards and, for me, I won't be satisfied enough to actually buy the higher capacity media until others actually run flawlessly for a few recordings, so if possible, please keep reporting your field results.

For now, I'll still stick with 4 GB and smaller, although I really like the idea of 8GB because the record length puts you beyond 99% of the reasonable lengths of a 'music night out' which might include a backup band and a headliner.

In the meantime, thanks for this update and any future updates on in-the-field results you get.

I'm all about having more than one card. Don't like putting all my eggs in one basket. I have 2 2gig cards and may purchase one more card (either 2 or 4 gig).
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on May 22, 2007, 09:43:13 AM
1, 2 & 4 works great.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: pmonk66 on May 22, 2007, 10:23:06 AM
I am waiting to try out the busman mod on the 660 :D
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: phr on May 22, 2007, 01:09:50 PM
If anyone cares, I just popped a Sandisk Extreme III 16gb CF card into mine and did a few test recordings (just a few seconds each in different formats).  Worked fine.  I haven't done any longer recordings yet so don't know what will happen past the 2GB mark or whatever.  But it claims to have 284 hours(!) available for stereo mp3 recording, or 25 hours for stereo 44.1 khz WAV. 

That's a start...but I'm wondering about longer recordings.  When I first got some slower, cheaper 4GB media for the Edirol R-09, it was recording just great for an hour or so and then for whatever reason it just spazzed out from there...not even at the 2GB point...and it definitely was the media that caused the problem and not the recorder (most likely the speed of the card).  So, that makes me just kinda leary about the larger cards and, for me, I won't be satisfied enough to actually buy the higher capacity media until others actually run flawlessly for a few recordings, so if possible, please keep reporting your field results.

For now, I'll still stick with 4 GB and smaller, although I really like the idea of 8GB because the record length puts you beyond 99% of the reasonable lengths of a 'music night out' which might include a backup band and a headliner.

In the meantime, thanks for this update and any future updates on in-the-field results you get.
With my 45x 4gb card I've made several mp3 recordings over 5 hours long (basically limited by the battery runtime--someday I'll set up an external power supply) with no problem.  Of course that's just a few hundred MB.  I like to record what amounts to very extended jam sessions and it's quite useful to me to be able to run the recorder for 8+ hours at a time nonstop, which would be 5 or 6 GB in a single recording in WAV format.  Of course I don't know yet how I'll go about editing such a monstrous recording.  Maybe I'll try running the recorder that long just as a test, sometime this week or so.

I'd rather use a single large card than a bunch of smaller ones for reliability reasons.  Yeah there's some chance of the card messing up, but I figure with smaller cards there's an even larger chance of messing up the cards and/or recorder through the additional removals and insertions in the field (static electricity, fragile pins inside the unit that can get bent up, etc).  As it is, with 16GB, I should be able to record a whole weekend event leaving the card in the 660, removing it only after I get home.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Keyser Soze on May 23, 2007, 01:44:12 PM
I am waiting to try out the busman mod on the 660 :D

What does that mod cover?  Is there an info link posted somewhere?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: stevetoney on May 23, 2007, 02:50:38 PM
I am waiting to try out the busman mod on the 660 :D

What does that mod cover?  Is there an info link posted somewhere?

Pretty sure no link, but I'm pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that it's gonna sound quite like the BMP2+ mod on the UA-5.  Regardless, I know from personal experience that Chris does great work and for $160 to $180 or so, the mod will improve the sound of the 660 onboard preamp a BUNCH.  With regards to the BMP2+ mod, it tends towards transparent and is very clean, true, and beautiful sounding.  (For a sample, there are a few recordings on the archive with the BMP2+ mod.)

BTW, regarding your question about 'what the mod covers', I also rthink I remember reading that it does most of the same things that the Oade ACM mod does in terms of changing-out stock electronics of the 660.  You can read about what the Oade ACM mod removes at the Oade website. 

I think the biggest difference between the Busman mod and the Oade mod are the price (Busman is quite a bit less and you don't have to have purchase a box directly from Oade) and the sound...and you'll probably want to listen to both if you are really really particular about the sound.  Not that the Oade/Busman is better or worse; they're just different.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: pmonk66 on May 23, 2007, 07:16:25 PM
Text of e-mail re: busman mod of pmd660

It will disable the line inputs but bring the gain level down  on the XLRs so you can use it for SBDs or mics.
The op amps are changed out and input capacitors are changed for better ones and then I run bypass caps there too to help with noise and to give better detail and speed.

Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on May 25, 2007, 04:11:32 PM
So I ran the 660 (Oade BCM) last night again.  Quite pleased with its ability to handle dense and voluminous rock music (Roger Waters) without any clipping, brickwalling or muddiness.

The problem was the flash card.  I got a "CARD FULL" message about 30 minutes before expected and when I got home the card had only used 1.48GB.  A real bummer, but a lesson learned (change flash cards at set break, always bring 2 with you!). 

The question becomes what caused it.  This was a 2GB Kingston Flash card, purchased from a Hong Kong ebay dealer at a very nice price.  My inclination is that its a defective card, but a friend suggested that it might be a formatting issue. 

I did not re-format the card since my last use (I know--30 lashes).  I have used SanDisk cards in my Microtrack many many times, and never reformatted after the last use.  Is the 660 finicky about cards, does it require a strict re-format policy, or am I right about the card.  I guess time and experimenting will tell.

Another semi-unrelated question.  If I use a Sandisk card that has been exclusively used with the Microtrack, and I insert it in the 660 (and format it!), will it work just fine?

Thoughts, ideas, suggestions welcome.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: dennisrtyler on May 25, 2007, 04:16:03 PM
you should have no problem with the sandisk from the microtrack, just format it ;). i always ran sandisk in my acm660. you might have gotten a bunk card, it may have just needed a formatting. you will figure that out with some testing. thanks again for that GREAT 9/06 show you posted. +T
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on May 25, 2007, 04:45:55 PM
I, off and on, reformat my card for the 660 but that is the only thing I use them on. I will erase tracks and record with no problems. I did reformat each card when I first used them though.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on May 27, 2007, 01:22:50 PM
If anyone cares, I just popped a Sandisk Extreme III 16gb CF card into mine and did a few test recordings (just a few seconds each in different formats).  Worked fine.  I haven't done any longer recordings yet so don't know what will happen past the 2GB mark or whatever.  But it claims to have 284 hours(!) available for stereo mp3 recording, or 25 hours for stereo 44.1 khz WAV. 

Any further progress with this card?  I have an Extreme III 4GB and it works well. Was always told to not go above and beyond 4GB, as it might cause errors. What is the latest and greatest?

Anyone else get their PMD660 modded by Busman?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Keyser Soze on May 30, 2007, 01:28:31 AM
Thanks for the info guys, I'll have to look more into that mod!
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on June 03, 2007, 11:34:48 PM
Get the Busman Mod. I just got mine back and there is a noticeable difference. Especially in the Preamps. Before I was forced to run at -20 attenuation and now I can run it wide open. Found that the level meters are more accurate and there is less hiss now. Busman got it back to me pretty quickly. I can't wait to record more music with it. Now I just need to figure out how I can record a whole day worth of music with one power source. Anyone used and external battery pack with success?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on June 04, 2007, 09:24:46 AM
Now I just need to figure out how I can record a whole day worth of music with one power source. Anyone used and external battery pack with success?

http://www.batterybarn.com/pr2310.htm

Works great for 660 & my R4.......little pricey.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Keyser Soze on June 04, 2007, 02:49:07 PM
Get the Busman Mod. I just got mine back and there is a noticeable difference. Especially in the Preamps. Before I was forced to run at -20 attenuation and now I can run it wide open. Found that the level meters are more accurate and there is less hiss now. Busman got it back to me pretty quickly. I can't wait to record more music with it. Now I just need to figure out how I can record a whole day worth of music with one power source. Anyone used and external battery pack with success?

Does anyone know how the Busman Mod compares to the OADE WCM?   I was leaning toward the WCM due to the fact I'll be running an AT stealth setup most of the time.  I also have some Oade omnis, but I don't want to factor those into whatever decision I make that much.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: paullySC on June 05, 2007, 12:59:32 PM
Get the Busman Mod. I just got mine back and there is a noticeable difference. Especially in the Preamps. Before I was forced to run at -20 attenuation and now I can run it wide open. Found that the level meters are more accurate and there is less hiss now. Busman got it back to me pretty quickly. I can't wait to record more music with it. Now I just need to figure out how I can record a whole day worth of music with one power source. Anyone used and external battery pack with success?

Is that the busman mod compared to the Oade ACM?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: stevetoney on June 06, 2007, 06:39:35 PM
FWIW, just sent mine off to Chris (AKA Busman).  Will report my thoughts when I get it back.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on June 14, 2007, 12:34:26 PM
I had a family member hook me up with a loan to buy a 660 for some upcomming festival action... ;D

I got the Song Catcher Mod (Oade SCM Marantz PMD660)

Doug mentioned that it is very close to the ACM in sound.  It has an upgraded line-in and will work great for amplified or acoustic stuff.  The unit should be in my hands tomorrow.  I am very excited!

I have a sandisc Ultra II 4GB, and a Lexar Pro 133x 4GB.  I assume both of these will work.  I also have a Kingston 2GB SD card that I am going to try with a SD->CF convertor.  I plan on using Energizer 2500 rechargables. 

I am amazed that this thing can do EVERYTHING (pre/AD/recorder) in such a small size.
The only thing I wish it could do is record from the line-in and the mic-in at the same time like the UA5....
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on June 14, 2007, 01:02:57 PM
Well do to some $$ constraints I canceled the hd-p2 I had on order and picked up an ACM 660 instead.  Should be in hand next week.  I think it will sound mighty tasty with the Peluso CEMC6 pair I just ordered! 

Woot for new gear!
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: spyder9 on June 14, 2007, 04:55:48 PM
Get the Busman Mod. I just got mine back and there is a noticeable difference. Especially in the Preamps. Before I was forced to run at -20 attenuation and now I can run it wide open. Found that the level meters are more accurate and there is less hiss now. Busman got it back to me pretty quickly. I can't wait to record more music with it. Now I just need to figure out how I can record a whole day worth of music with one power source. Anyone used and external battery pack with success?

Is that the busman mod compared to the Oade ACM?

The above is a huge difference over the Oade version, IMO.  I don't know if Doug's version can do that now, but I owned his first modded 660, and you had to run the -20 pad.  I'd love to see the results of the Busman 660, attenuation at 0, for a heavy bass show.  That would be a major plus over the Oade mod if it can't brickwall.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on June 14, 2007, 05:06:53 PM
Get the Busman Mod. I just got mine back and there is a noticeable difference. Especially in the Preamps. Before I was forced to run at -20 attenuation and now I can run it wide open. Found that the level meters are more accurate and there is less hiss now. Busman got it back to me pretty quickly. I can't wait to record more music with it. Now I just need to figure out how I can record a whole day worth of music with one power source. Anyone used and external battery pack with success?

Is that the busman mod compared to the Oade ACM?

The above is a huge difference over the Oade version, IMO.  I don't know if Doug's version can do that now, but I owned his first modded 660, and you had to run the -20 pad.  I'd love to see the results of the Busman 660, attenuation at 0, for a heavy bass show.  That would be a major plus over the Oade mod if it can't brickwall.

I have the BCM, and I need to use the -20dB pad.  My BCM was purchased about 2 months ago.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on June 14, 2007, 05:20:39 PM
Oade recomends running the pad for loud stuff.  I read that it does not degrade the signal to have it on and there is still plenty of headroom...

If that is true than I would rather have the option of extra gain for quiet stuff than have an extra 20db of headroom that you would never use....
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: stevetoney on June 14, 2007, 06:41:23 PM
I am amazed that this thing can do EVERYTHING (pre/AD/recorder) in such a small size.
The only thing I wish it could do is record from the line-in and the mic-in at the same time like the UA5....

Sa-weet...fuckin' slut!!!  Ha!

As long as we're wishing, I'd like to be able to still go through the XLRs and bypass the internal pre-amp circuitry.  It would be nice to use external preamps (like my MP-2) and still hook it up with XLRs instead of having to go Line In.

Although I'm overseas, I'm hoping mine comes back from Busman before I get back home in a week. 

We can meet up at a show and rag on the sound of each other's 660!  Ha.  (mine sounds better than yours...nyah nyah!)
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on June 14, 2007, 06:58:51 PM
Quote
(mine sounds better than yours...nyah nyah!)

I had Oade put a "flux capacitor" in 660, you don't have a chance!    ;)           :)
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: stevetoney on June 15, 2007, 10:12:16 AM
Quote
(mine sounds better than yours...nyah nyah!)

I had Oade put a "flux capacitor" in 660, you don't have a chance!    ;)           :)

I'a fluxing shoo my'a weecorda gotta one'a dem fluxin' capacitors too.  So flux you!

Actually I have no fluxing idea what a fuck capacitor is...or sumpin like that.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on June 15, 2007, 10:35:52 AM
So what seems to be the consensus for powering one of these units?  voltage range?  etc...
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Keyser Soze on June 16, 2007, 02:31:26 AM
Get the Busman Mod. I just got mine back and there is a noticeable difference. Especially in the Preamps. Before I was forced to run at -20 attenuation and now I can run it wide open. Found that the level meters are more accurate and there is less hiss now. Busman got it back to me pretty quickly. I can't wait to record more music with it. Now I just need to figure out how I can record a whole day worth of music with one power source. Anyone used and external battery pack with success?

Is that the busman mod compared to the Oade ACM?

The above is a huge difference over the Oade version, IMO.  I don't know if Doug's version can do that now, but I owned his first modded 660, and you had to run the -20 pad.  I'd love to see the results of the Busman 660, attenuation at 0, for a heavy bass show.  That would be a major plus over the Oade mod if it can't brickwall.

Thanks for the info.  Now I guess the only question left if how a Busman mod would sound with my AT stealth set up (next to the WCM that is)?  Hmmmmm, decisions, decisions!
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: stevetoney on June 16, 2007, 03:32:52 AM
Thanks for the info.  Now I guess the only question left if how a Busman mod would sound with my AT stealth set up (next to the WCM that is)?  Hmmmmm, decisions, decisions!

Notwithstanding all the technical info, the price could be a major factor for me.  An ACM is $729 whereas you can pickup a new 660 now for $450 and send $160 to busman...total of $610. 

Some people feel that the extra money to Oade is worth the premium for having an Oade box and being able to tie into any potential future Oade mods, but I personally find that to be a consideration NOT to buy from Oade due to this 'exclusivity premium'.  However, there's no debating the fact that Oade is THE man when it comes to staying on top of this hobby and supporting our community, so I can't be too hard on the man.  He earns what he gets, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: paullySC on June 20, 2007, 12:59:07 PM
Thanks for the info.  Now I guess the only question left if how a Busman mod would sound with my AT stealth set up (next to the WCM that is)?  Hmmmmm, decisions, decisions!

Notwithstanding all the technical info, the price could be a major factor for me.  An ACM is $729 whereas you can pickup a new 660 now for $450 and send $160 to busman...total of $610. 

Some people feel that the extra money to Oade is worth the premium for having an Oade box and being able to tie into any potential future Oade mods, but I personally find that to be a consideration NOT to buy from Oade due to this 'exclusivity premium'.  However, there's no debating the fact that Oade is THE man when it comes to staying on top of this hobby and supporting our community, so I can't be too hard on the man.  He earns what he gets, that's for sure.
I wonder how the oade ACM and busman mods compare as far as sound quality.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on June 25, 2007, 12:12:48 AM
They are both good mods, just need depends on what you are looking for. I think that Oade's mod is going to be warmer, but that is not what I was looking for.  I personally do not like recordings that are too warm (too much bass) with not enough high/mid. I have run my Busman Mod and have been very happy with it. Still am experimenting. For the money and the service, you can't go wrong sending your deck to Busman. It is a noticeable difference in sound quality.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on June 25, 2007, 12:16:20 AM
So what seems to be the consensus for powering one of these units?  voltage range?  etc...

I personally would rather be able to monitor the levels. Usually I just run one set of batteries on the 1st set and another on the 2nd set. For festival season, I just bought a 5V Lithium Ion battery pack that puts out 44WattHours. That should be able to allow me run all day.

(http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/laptopupgrade_1951_8064392)

$99

Key Features:
High capacity. Most Digital Cameras/Video Camcorder's standard batteries only have 5Wh~10Wh capacity. This battery has 44Wh (Watt-Hour) capacity. For reference, an AA battery has about 2.7Wh capacity (1.8Ah at 1.5V). This may help calculating your expected run time.


Ultra light weight design.
Compatible with
Devices which require 5V, 8.4V or 11V power supply, such as network routers, BiX Pocketsize USB or Firewire hard drives, BiX Slim USB or Firewire Optical Drives.
Compatible with following Cameras/video cameras: Sony, JVC, Panasonic, Fuji, Olympus, Nikon, Casio, Kodak, HP, Minolta.....
as well as most cameras or devices which require 5 to 12 volt power supply.
No memory effect. Can be recharged at any time regardless of the amount of discharge.
Built-in batery gauge which displays power level of the battery pack.
AC quick charger included. Temperature and over-voltage/current protection.
Universal camera cable included. Compatible with most all digital cameras/video cameras or equipment.
Can also be used as an external power supply for any device such as portable Radio, CD/VCD/ DVD player etc...which requires 5 to 12 volt power input
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on June 29, 2007, 11:25:58 AM
Anyone have trouble with their 660 when it is hot. I ran it at Bonnaroo and it was hotter than two rats f*cking a wool sock. Got a card error and later that day, I had a channel go out on me????? Since then, I haven't had any trouble.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on June 29, 2007, 11:57:58 AM
I had trouble with my 660 at a show in the rain.  The 660 did not get wet, as it protected inside of a bag.  However, my best guess is that the humidity got to it.  It seized up about and hour and 30 minutes into the show.  I hit stop, powered down, powered up again, and started recording.  It finished the rest of the show without a problem.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: bobbygeeWOW on June 29, 2007, 12:52:22 PM
No rain to speak of, but mine got pretty damned hot at Telluride for four days and ran without a hiccup.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: pmonk66 on June 29, 2007, 12:53:47 PM
I am going to give my busman mod 660 a test run at ratdog next week!
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on July 03, 2007, 02:34:24 PM
so is this 256K card that the unit came with good for anything?  how much wav audio is that an hour?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: bobbygeeWOW on July 03, 2007, 07:50:36 PM
Here ya go:

http://24bit.turtleside.com/pcm.wav.file.sizes.pdf
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on July 09, 2007, 01:27:22 PM
I am going to give my busman mod 660 a test run at ratdog next week!

How did it work?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: garybsc on July 10, 2007, 03:54:41 PM
Thanks for the info.  Now I guess the only question left if how a Busman mod would sound with my AT stealth set up (next to the WCM that is)?  Hmmmmm, decisions, decisions!

Notwithstanding all the technical info, the price could be a major factor for me.  An ACM is $729 whereas you can pickup a new 660 now for $450 and send $160 to busman...total of $610. 

Some people feel that the extra money to Oade is worth the premium for having an Oade box and being able to tie into any potential future Oade mods, but I personally find that to be a consideration NOT to buy from Oade due to this 'exclusivity premium'.  However, there's no debating the fact that Oade is THE man when it comes to staying on top of this hobby and supporting our community, so I can't be too hard on the man.  He earns what he gets, that's for sure.

Who has the 660 for $450?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on July 10, 2007, 03:57:11 PM
I have been using my song catcher mod for a few shows now and am very happy.  What an easy to use box. 

Here is the last show I taped:

http://www.archive.org/details/dso2007-07-05.KarmaK10
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on July 11, 2007, 12:16:42 AM
I love my Busman Mod 660. The more and more I use it, the more I love it. Apparently you have to run the attenuation on -20, or you can run a pad on the mic itself + bass rolloff which I have had good luck with as well. Just depends on what you want to do. Either way, this is a great deck and it is sooooo easy to use. The Busman mod was worth every penny I sent him.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: OOK on July 11, 2007, 12:22:04 AM
I have been using my song catcher mod for a few shows now and am very happy.  What an easy to use box. 

Here is the last show I taped:

http://www.archive.org/details/dso2007-07-05.KarmaK10


dam that sounds nice......
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: dennisrtyler on July 11, 2007, 12:31:45 AM
I have been using my song catcher mod for a few shows now and am very happy.  What an easy to use box. 

Here is the last show I taped:

http://www.archive.org/details/dso2007-07-05.KarmaK10


dam that sounds nice......
QFMFT
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on July 11, 2007, 12:54:40 AM
That is a nice recording of DSO. Those mics sound pretty clear. Especially for the price.

Here my only recording on the LMA of Keller from Bonnaroo this year. I was running AKG 460b ck63 caps with bass rolloff and no attenuation. The first day I had trouble with my mics clipping with no attenuation, so I thought I would use the bass rolloff and was pleasantly surprised.

http://www.archive.org/details/keller2007-06-16.AKG463 (http://www.archive.org/details/keller2007-06-16.AKG463)
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: GDfan on July 11, 2007, 08:31:15 AM
Very nice recording =D, I can't wait to try my 660 now. I have some concerts planned in august to see, but I am after hearing the last couple shows posted on this thread I have an urge to go record something =D. John Mayer in saratoga saturday is looking awfully tempting.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on July 12, 2007, 01:46:03 PM
Very nice recording =D, I can't wait to try my 660 now. I have some concerts planned in august to see, but I am after hearing the last couple shows posted on this thread I have an urge to go record something =D. John Mayer in saratoga saturday is looking awfully tempting.

Go out and record everything you can. The more you use it the better your recordings will get. If you want, I can give you a go through of the setting over the phone. PM me if you are interested.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on July 12, 2007, 11:58:20 PM
The more you use it the better your recordings will get.

True dat.....sorry, true cf.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: GDfan on July 21, 2007, 07:10:38 PM
I did my first concert recording last weekend with my 660, John Mayer. I really like the ease of use. I had a problem with the deck about 10 min into his set( recorded both opening acts without a hitch) it powered down, I thought it was the batteries, but they were new, I took em em out moved them around. I turned it back on and was getting errors, I took the CF card out and blew into (fearing a piece of dust), put the card back in, did this several times. nada. took the batteries in and out again. then again took the CF card in and out several times and then it just worked for no reason. the CF card is  sandisk 2gb ultra. have had no problems with it prior or since. after rereading this post again, I think I am going to get a kingston CF card, and make sure my battery connectors are all good. those seems to be the most common issues.
I am looking forward to allmans/ratdog next month =D, gonna take the 660 on the road =D
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Corbin on July 21, 2007, 11:24:21 PM
I think I am going to get a kingston CF card, and make sure my battery connectors are all good. those seems to be the most common issues.

I've been running a Kingston card problem free for a couple months now...But I was under the impression that Sandisk were good to go in the 660 as well.  Also, your battery connectors should be good if you bought your 660 new.  I'm pretty sure Marantz fixed that problem months ago.  Now if you bought your unit used, that's another story.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on July 23, 2007, 01:00:54 AM
I got a card error for the third time last night. for some reason, it shows card full when it has over 2 hours of recording time left on it. Don't know what the deal is, but it is frustrating. I am using the Sandisk Ultra II 4GB card. Maybe I have to reformat the card.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on July 23, 2007, 12:13:14 PM
Any of you guys ever have to format your CF card?  Maybe that is my problem.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on July 23, 2007, 01:23:08 PM
how do you reformat the card. Do you just delete all contents on the card?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on July 23, 2007, 01:51:57 PM


Shift->Edit



I learned to the read the instruction manual when I tried to assemble a entertainment system without reading the instructions.  I ended up with two coffe tables instead of the entertainment system.   :)

Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Corbin on July 23, 2007, 02:00:06 PM
how do you reformat the card. Do you just delete all contents on the card?
Hold down Shift and press Edit.
left or right button until you reach format
enter, confirm, enter

edit: I was a little late I guess.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on July 23, 2007, 03:34:36 PM
so I opened the card on my computer and deleted everthing from the card including the folder and 4 others program/configuration files and then formatted the card. When I first bought the deck I probably read it, but totally forgot. Thanks for the quick responses. I will make that part of my SOP from now on. Did any of you guys have any trouble with your decks and the card full error before you started formating the CF card each time?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on July 23, 2007, 03:55:50 PM
so I opened the card on my computer and deleted everthing from the card including the folder and 4 others program/configuration files and then formatted the card. When I first bought the deck I probably read it, but totally forgot. Thanks for the quick responses. I will make that part of my SOP from now on. Did any of you guys have any trouble with your decks and the card full error before you started formating the CF card each time?

I've posted about a similar problem earlier in this very topic, which was also with a Kingston card:

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,83918.msg1131163.html#msg1131163
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on July 23, 2007, 05:15:45 PM
+T's all around for the quick response. I should have read back in the thread for my answer.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on July 23, 2007, 05:24:55 PM
I should add an update.  I have used the Kingston card that failed to record 2 GB of data, but didn't attempt to max it out.  I recorded a set that last about 1 GB.   I've used the SanDisk cards as my primary cards, and I have religiously formatted before each new use.  I have not had this problem again since my initial experience.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on July 24, 2007, 09:54:33 AM
Thanks for the update Dan. I will keep everyone posted.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: GDfan on July 24, 2007, 10:17:24 AM
I have been recording numerous analog cassette masters and minidisc masters into my PMD, filled my 2gb GF card 20-30 times without formatting, then I got a CF error (sandisk card) while doing one of these. I would just cut and paste the files off the CF card into my PC.  I make it a habit now to Format the card before recording anything. ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure =D.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on July 24, 2007, 01:45:30 PM
Can anyone give me a real quick how to on changing the recording type (48, 44... etc) and setting up/saving/starting a new recording on the 660.  I am running it for the first time tonight and grabbed the rig this morning but forgot the manual.  I won't have time to get back to my house before the gig...

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on July 24, 2007, 02:21:49 PM
Online User's Manual: http://www.equipmentemporium.com/Instruction%20Manuals/PMD660_manual.pdf (http://www.equipmentemporium.com/Instruction%20Manuals/PMD660_manual.pdf)

Edit, then preset 1, then enter, then toggle right or left through the menu. Here are the settings I run:

 Recording Format - PCM 44.1 .wav , Recording Channel - Stereo, Mic Attenuation -20 attenuation, Input - MIC, Output - HP , Level Control - Manual, Manual Track - On, Auto Track - Off, Auto Mark - Off, Silent Skip - Off, Meter Mode - Normal, Beep - Off, Auto Power Off - On,

Once you are done setting the machine hit edit to save.

***Make sure you don't hit enter when you are on the default selection, b/c it will restore it to factory defaults***

***Also make sure you Press Edit + Shift and toggle through the file menu until you find the format option to formate your card before you start recording****
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on July 24, 2007, 02:36:51 PM
+T's for life my man!  you made my night much easier.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on July 24, 2007, 02:50:48 PM
Thats what the TS family is for. Good luck tonight. I want a full report.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on July 24, 2007, 03:25:16 PM
Thats what the TS family is for. Good luck tonight. I want a full report.

The pre show report is I'm seeing Grace Potter and the Nocturnals free on the beach in Niantic CT.  I was gonna run Peluso CEMC6>ACM PMD 660.  But one of my CEMC6 caps has a short.  (it works but only if I hold it, and I don't feel like holding it... boxed them up to fly back to Peluso tomorrow) So I am gonna run my Dorsey mod Oktava MC012>ACM PMD660.  This will be my first run with the Marantz box!  woo hoo!

Not sure what I'm more exited for the new toys or a free Grace Potter show!
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on July 24, 2007, 04:11:08 PM
I'm running DPA 4021's > BCM 660 tonight for White Stripes.

Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on July 24, 2007, 04:33:26 PM
Have fun tonight Krispy. I am sure you will be very pleased with your deck. Make sure you lock the keypad when you are recording. I learned that one the hard way once.

Been running my 414's a good bit recently. I like the way they sound and the flexibility of different pickup patterns. Will probably run them for Panic this weekend in Charlotte.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on July 24, 2007, 05:21:33 PM
 :-X  I love looking at her too
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: stevetoney on July 24, 2007, 07:49:52 PM
There are now something like five busman mod PMD-660s.  I got mine back a couple weeks ago and had a chance to give it a workout at All Good.  I think it's just awesome sounding. 

Here are my first three uploads.  Please let me know what ya'll think.

Steve

moe.
http://www.archive.org/details/moe2007-07-14.km184.flac16

Dark Star Orchestra (only the first set)
http://www.archive.org/details/dso2007-07-12.akg481.FLAC16

The Lee Boys
http://www.archive.org/details/leeboys2007-07-15.akg481.FLAC16
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on July 24, 2007, 08:45:05 PM
Damn! Krispy, I'm in Waterford and run an Oade ACM PMD660 and love Grace and didn't know they were right next door at McCook's.  Hope your pull is a good one, man
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: stevetoney on July 24, 2007, 10:01:14 PM
Have fun tonight Krispy. I am sure you will be very pleased with your deck. Make sure you lock the keypad when you are recording. I learned that one the hard way once.

Note tho that even after you lock, you can still fuck up your levels if the knobs accidently get bumped.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: GDfan on July 25, 2007, 08:20:02 AM
There are now something like five busman mod PMD-660s.  I got mine back a couple weeks ago and had a chance to give it a workout at All Good.  I think it's just awesome sounding. 

Here are my first three uploads.  Please let me know what ya'll think.

Steve

moe.
http://www.archive.org/details/moe2007-07-14.km184.flac16

Dark Star Orchestra (only the first set)
http://www.archive.org/details/dso2007-07-12.akg481.FLAC16

The Lee Boys
http://www.archive.org/details/leeboys2007-07-15.akg481.FLAC16

DSO sounds nice =D
didn't get a chance to check out the others
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on July 25, 2007, 10:55:48 AM
Well, Grace Potter was great!  Mccooks Park is a beautiful little, small town venue and a lot of fun!  CTDave showed up and shared some space with me so there will be two sources available in couple of days...  Basically just had a great time, Dave and I both brought our kids, my wife and her sister as well as a couple of friends were all there, and it was a great way to spend an evening.  Cooler full of food and beer, good company, and great music.  What more can you ask for.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on July 25, 2007, 11:01:45 AM
Good work, Steve. All three of them sound great.  :coolguy:
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on July 25, 2007, 01:59:17 PM
My FOB DPA 4021's > BCM 660 pull is up on my site for direct flac download (the link is in my signature).
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: GDfan on July 25, 2007, 02:10:33 PM
:-X  I love looking at her too

you dodged the Q =D
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on July 25, 2007, 11:03:36 PM
:-X  I love looking at her too

you dodged the Q =D

I don't need to know the name (not the fish type) just more pictures please.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: GDfan on July 26, 2007, 12:31:56 PM
I got this yesterday from computergeeks.com for 50$ plus S&H

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HD182-20&cpc=SCH

works fairly well, fully charged battery transfered 8gb of data to the photodrive before the internal battery was depleted.

this with a 1gb, and 2x 2gb should let me get a helluva a lot of music before having to find a PC.

description:

The INOi 20 GB PHOTO HARDDISK is the perfect companion for digital photographers as well as mobile computer users. Easily back up your flash card on its internal 20 gigabyte (GB) hard disk!

When you fill up your flash card with pictures and want to keep shooting, just transfer the entire contents of your flash media card to the 20 GB PHOTO HARDDISK with one press of a button.

Also, the PHOTO HARDDISK can be used with any PC or MAC computer for additional mobile storage of your data files. Its high speed USB 2.0 interface quickly and easily uploads files from your computer to the Photo HardDisk. Take high resolution photos without worrying about lack of memory space! Order today!



Features/Specifications:

    * INOi USB 2.0 20 GB Portable External Photo HardDisk

    * General Features:
    * Pearl White
    * 20 GB 1.8-inch 4200 RPM Hard Drive
    * Display: 1.8-inch (1280 x 64) B/W LCD with Blue Backlight
    * Four (4) Control Keys
    * Direct copy from flash media to internal HDD without a PC
    * Rugged design
    * Delayed power button to prevent accidental ON
    * Auto-OFF to conserve battery power
    * Battery charged via USB bus power
    * User Changeable startup screen
    * Multi user interface with multiple language support
    * Reliable backup for digital photos and personal data
    * Mac and PC compatible

    * File System:
    * HDD: First partition needs to be FAT 16 or FAT32 to support direct copy
    * Memory Card: FAT 16/32

    * Interface:
    * USB 2.0 (USB 1.1 compatible)
    * Compact Flash Type I & II
    * SD/Mini SD
    * MMC-RS-MMC
    * MS/MS PRO/MS DUO/MS DUO PRO
    * MicroDrive (external ACDC required)

    * Power:
    * Internal 600 mAh Li-ion Polymer Battery charged by external AC/DC or bus power (approximately 3 GB of backup with fully charged battery)

    * Dimensions:
    * 2.5 x 3.9 x 0.8-inches (W x D x H, approximate)
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on July 27, 2007, 12:50:31 AM
I got this yesterday from computergeeks.com for 50$ plus S&H

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HD182-20&cpc=SCH

works fairly well, fully charged battery transfered 8gb of data to the photodrive before the internal battery was depleted.

this with a 1gb, and 2x 2gb should let me get a helluva a lot of music before having to find a PC.

description:

The INOi 20 GB PHOTO HARDDISK is the perfect companion for digital photographers as well as mobile computer users. Easily back up your flash card on its internal 20 gigabyte (GB) hard disk!

When you fill up your flash card with pictures and want to keep shooting, just transfer the entire contents of your flash media card to the 20 GB PHOTO HARDDISK with one press of a button.

Also, the PHOTO HARDDISK can be used with any PC or MAC computer for additional mobile storage of your data files. Its high speed USB 2.0 interface quickly and easily uploads files from your computer to the Photo HardDisk. Take high resolution photos without worrying about lack of memory space! Order today!



Features/Specifications:

    * INOi USB 2.0 20 GB Portable External Photo HardDisk

    * General Features:
    * Pearl White
    * 20 GB 1.8-inch 4200 RPM Hard Drive
    * Display: 1.8-inch (1280 x 64) B/W LCD with Blue Backlight
    * Four (4) Control Keys
    * Direct copy from flash media to internal HDD without a PC
    * Rugged design
    * Delayed power button to prevent accidental ON
    * Auto-OFF to conserve battery power
    * Battery charged via USB bus power
    * User Changeable startup screen
    * Multi user interface with multiple language support
    * Reliable backup for digital photos and personal data
    * Mac and PC compatible

    * File System:
    * HDD: First partition needs to be FAT 16 or FAT32 to support direct copy
    * Memory Card: FAT 16/32

    * Interface:
    * USB 2.0 (USB 1.1 compatible)
    * Compact Flash Type I & II
    * SD/Mini SD
    * MMC-RS-MMC
    * MS/MS PRO/MS DUO/MS DUO PRO
    * MicroDrive (external ACDC required)

    * Power:
    * Internal 600 mAh Li-ion Polymer Battery charged by external AC/DC or bus power (approximately 3 GB of backup with fully charged battery)

    * Dimensions:
    * 2.5 x 3.9 x 0.8-inches (W x D x H, approximate)


I've had the same unit for a few years.....downloads slowly but ok for festival shows. If you have a back up card it's ok. Doesn't hold a long charge (~4 GB download) but most festivals have power during the morning coffee session. I paid about $150 for mine so you're looking good.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: cpatch on August 06, 2007, 08:22:13 PM
There are now something like five busman mod PMD-660s.

Then number six is in the works!

Craig
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on August 06, 2007, 08:25:05 PM
I FREAKING LOVE MY ACM PMD660!!!!!!
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on August 15, 2007, 02:39:07 PM
Anyone use a Preamp before their 660?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on August 15, 2007, 02:40:26 PM
^I have not.  I believe the ACM cuts the line in.  (Chime in if I am wrong) so wouldn't that end up being mic>pre>pre?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Mike R. on August 15, 2007, 09:45:45 PM
^I have not.  I believe the ACM cuts the line in.  (Chime in if I am wrong)

That is certainly the case with the Advanced Mod (non Concert). 
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: GDfan on August 17, 2007, 03:02:12 PM
Anyone use a Preamp before their 660?

from the website: http://www.d-mpro.com/users/folder.asp?FolderID=3629&Tab=Data+Sheet


Inputs

MIC IN L/R
  Type
XLR (1:GND, 2:HOT, 3:COLD)
  Input sensitivity
 1.2 mV rms /6.5k ohms

LINE IN L/R
  Type
1/8" mini jack
  Input sensitivity
 300 mV rms /20k ohms

I see the difference in mV and ohms, does this mean you need a louder source for the line in?


Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on August 17, 2007, 03:14:48 PM
Anyone use a Preamp before their 660?

from the website: http://www.d-mpro.com/users/folder.asp?FolderID=3629&Tab=Data+Sheet


Inputs

MIC IN L/R
  Type
XLR (1:GND, 2:HOT, 3:COLD)
  Input sensitivity
 1.2 mV rms /6.5k ohms

LINE IN L/R
  Type
1/8" mini jack
  Input sensitivity
 300 mV rms /20k ohms

I see the difference in mV and ohms, does this mean you need a louder source for the line in?




I think it is as simple as mic level vs line level
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on August 17, 2007, 03:18:43 PM
impedance
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on August 21, 2007, 07:12:24 PM
Well, I looks like I will be testing out running a V3 analog out into the PMD's XLR inputs, with Phantom power turned off. Probably will not have everything together for the run for a couple of weeks. Will keep everyone posted to the outcome.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: GDfan on August 22, 2007, 09:12:50 AM
sweet I am interested on how it turns out =D
+T
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on August 22, 2007, 07:28:27 PM
Pretenders/ZZTop last night...only got one song of Stray Cats. Got there late set up in my seat. The mic cable was tugging and moved my mics to the back of my head/hat. Sound is ok but a little boomy. I assume that was from the mic placement.

I need to get a short cable for my km140s say about 2 to 3 meters.

http://www.bittorrentmusic.com/torrenttracker/torrents-details.php?id=150
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Jammin72 on August 29, 2007, 04:49:00 PM
A couple of things as I read the renewed thread.


1) Invest in a Lexar Card,  it's what Marantz sez to use and it's the only one they'll accept as being error free if you have issues with their unit and need to talk with tech support.  Since I made the switch from Sandisc.... 0 Problems!  There IS a difference in memory quality, don't drag down a serious investment like one of these recorders and a serious pair of mics by hunting for bargains on the recording medium.  It's no fun if you're worried about making it home with the show!

2) If you have a modded unit already I can't see any reason to run a preamp in front of it.  I can't speak for the Busman mods but if you have an ACM or you are sporting the new Song Catcher all I can say is that putting anything in front of it will only serve to close down the image. You may change the tone based on the box that's in front but at a price.  If it's tone you're after have fun in your favorite DAW in post!  The Oade modded units with the pad can handle up to a +4dB signal so can handle a preamp in front or even a soundboard if you're so inclined.

3) Remember that the "AA" Batteries are hot swappable in these boxes.  With rechargeables reaching such a high capacity and coming down in price AND having the ability to charger from a 12V supply you can run all day with 16 with only one trip or two back to the ride for festivals.


Have fun guys, it's a great little all in one package!!
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tbone65 on September 07, 2007, 04:22:00 PM
hello i run a pmd 660 with no mods. i use the 20 db pad always and i never use the internal mic pres due to there noise to floor ratio. i use a external mic pre .psp-3 .my results have been awesome. power is by battery when short show.4 double a batteries do it. long hauls are powered by a power runner. the best new external power supply. ecco charge has dropped the ball because they do not  seem to wANT TO RETURN PHONE CALLS. as for compact cards: lexar is the best with this unit. i have several 4  gig cards and several 2 gig cards.  seagate,sansdisk,and micro center. all work fine.recently bought a 8 gig card from lexar. 13 hours of non stop joy. i run b and k 4021,s mostly. schoeps as well. shot guns for  stadium size places.   i have been thinking about the new mod but i think i will await more  information. please feel free to contact with anycomments regarding this deck. todd   
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: bobbygeeWOW on September 07, 2007, 04:36:58 PM
Well that's a new one to me - I've not heard of anyone using an 8 Gig card, how very cool!
(I've only used 4 Gig SanDiskers)
Have you actually recorded 13 hours onto a single disk or is that just what the display claims is available?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on September 07, 2007, 05:44:40 PM
hello i run a pmd 660 with no mods. i use the 20 db pad always and i never use the internal mic pres due to there noise to floor ratio. i use a external mic pre .psp-3 .my results have been awesome. power is by battery when short show.4 double a batteries do it. long hauls are powered by a power runner. the best new external power supply. ecco charge has dropped the ball because they do not  seem to wANT TO RETURN PHONE CALLS. as for compact cards: lexar is the best with this unit. i have several 4  gig cards and several 2 gig cards.  seagate,sansdisk,and micro center. all work fine.recently bought a 8 gig card from lexar. 13 hours of non stop joy. i run b and k 4021,s mostly. schoeps as well. shot guns for  stadium size places.   i have been thinking about the new mod but i think i will await more  information. please feel free to contact with anycomments regarding this deck. todd   

there is no -20db pad on the line in, so how are you using the deck without the internal mic pres? 
please explain more

 ???
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Corbin on September 07, 2007, 07:18:14 PM
I'm under the impression that the 660 won't take 8 GB cards.  Can anyone else confirm this?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: dcaley on September 13, 2007, 08:26:06 PM
anyone looking to buy a stock 660?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on September 14, 2007, 02:39:25 AM
I'm under the impression that the 660 won't take 8 GB cards.  Can anyone else confirm this?

I don't think so, but........

6.37 hours 16/44.1 ain't enough.......it's actually cheaper to buy 2 - 4GB cards.

Just saying....
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: spcyrfc on September 24, 2007, 12:59:20 PM
anybody find a good bag to house the 660?  ive been looking for a neoprene sleeve with no luck, think ill go by rei and see if i cant find a close fitting bag to house the little guy, pop 2 holes in the bag for cables and never take it out.  i found a cooler that could work, but may be a bit bulky to go into my gear bag.

luke
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: spcyrfc on September 26, 2007, 10:23:03 AM
for anyone interested, i found this yesterday at rei

http://www.rei.com/product/658666?cm_sp=prod*desc_rel_item*element

near perfect fit for the 660, if anything a little tight.  good for slipping into the bag rather than just having the machine loose in the bag.

lb
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on September 26, 2007, 11:18:05 PM
I got a pelican 1200 for next to nothing on ebay, and it holds the 660, 2 sd mics, ( both the c4's and the 451's fit, but I have to wait for the peluso's to arrive to see if they fit ) and a place for extra batteries and an extra cf card. Now if I knew of a good clamp, I could leave the tree at home.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: spcyrfc on October 08, 2007, 02:17:23 PM
the 1200 is a bit big - i already keep my mics in a 1060 --
has anybody tried the pelican 1120 or the 1150??

From my math, i believe the 660 would fit in both --

660 =  7 1/5 x 4 1/2 x 1 9/10

1120=7 3/8 x 4 7/8 x 3 1/8

1150=8 1/2 x 6        x 3 3/4
-------

the 1120 might be cutting it a little close if allowing for the proper spacing suggested by pelican but nuts to that.

any experience out there before i buy?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: GDfan on October 19, 2007, 03:46:27 AM
seems mine seized up after the show tonight.
recorded the entire show fine.
afterwards in car, dunno what happened, went to playback and nothing.
the LED screen shows like a bunch of shit, no error messages, just all the usual settings displayed at once.
anyone have any ideas?
I removed the batteries, tried using AC plug it came with, same deal.
tried a different CF card as well.


Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on October 19, 2007, 10:02:34 AM
seems mine seized up after the show tonight.
recorded the entire show fine.
afterwards in car, dunno what happened, went to playback and nothing.
the LED screen shows like a bunch of shit, no error messages, just all the usual settings displayed at once.
anyone have any ideas?
I removed the batteries, tried using AC plug it came with, same deal.
tried a different CF card as well.

Is the show ok......Do you have a card reader to see if it recorded the show? Did you get it wet? Can you post a picture of the LED screen? I never had this happen.
Sorry for your troubles.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on October 19, 2007, 10:13:58 AM
My 660 stopped for no apparent reason last night, with about 3 minutes left in the Springsteen show.  I had battery power left, and 35 minutes left on the disc.  The only explanations are either that I hit something that caused it to stop (I had LOCK on as per usual), or that it shut down because of heat.  I guess after running over 2:30 straight inside of a little bag, it was too warm.  The deck was quite warm when I pulled it out of the  bag.  The only other time I had a problem like this was in the rain with Richard Thompson, a problem that I attributed to excessive moisture.
I have to say that it pretty much sucks that I can't depend on this deck to run without fail, and that it will just stop without reason.
Fortunately, I did end up getting 99% of the show, and only lost the last half of the last song.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Jammin72 on October 19, 2007, 10:18:25 AM
Those with Freeze issues... were you using Lexar cards?

All of my problems stopped as soon I began using the recommended media.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: dennisrtyler on October 19, 2007, 10:21:35 AM
My 660 stopped for no apparent reason last night, with about 3 minutes left in the Springsteen show.  I had battery power left, and 35 minutes left on the disc.  The only explanations are either that I hit something that caused it to stop (I had LOCK on as per usual), or that it shut down because of heat.  I guess after running over 2:30 straight inside of a little bag, it was too warm.  The deck was quite warm when I pulled it out of the  bag.  The only other time I had a problem like this was in the rain with Richard Thompson, a problem that I attributed to excessive moisture.
I have to say that it pretty much sucks that I can't depend on this deck to run without fail, and that it will just stop without reason.
Fortunately, I did end up getting 99% of the show, and only lost the last half of the last song.
in the 18 months or so that i ran an acm660, i had 2 problems. both were lock-ups and were without a doubt due to heat. 3+ hours in upper 90s.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on October 19, 2007, 10:28:38 AM
Those with Freeze issues... were you using Lexar cards?

All of my problems stopped as soon I began using the recommended media.

I was running a 2 GB SanDisk card that has never had problems before.  I am pretty sure it wasn't the card, and as Dennis posted above, my guess about the heat is the likely cause.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Keyser Soze on October 19, 2007, 12:37:30 PM
What kind of bags were you guys running the 660 in when it bombed out due to heat?  Was it a thicker bag with padded walls or something else?

I've been considering a modded 660, and all this freeze talk is scaring me just a bit.

:-\
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on October 19, 2007, 12:49:06 PM
I use the bag that I have for the Mini-me when I stealth, since the M-me is at home:
http://www.makingwavesaudio.com/media/images/indproducts/apogee-apo_minime.jpg

It has a soft-padding inside, and an outer imitation-leather (really plastic) shell.  I can see how it would get hot in there after two and a half hours, but really the deck shouldn't shut down for that.


Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Keyser Soze on October 19, 2007, 01:04:08 PM
Yea, I also think the deck shouldn't be shutting down due to whatever heat it generates while in that bag.  Good luck debugging the situation.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: GDfan on October 19, 2007, 01:40:08 PM
seems mine seized up after the show tonight.
recorded the entire show fine.
afterwards in car, dunno what happened, went to playback and nothing.
the LED screen shows like a bunch of shit, no error messages, just all the usual settings displayed at once.
anyone have any ideas?
I removed the batteries, tried using AC plug it came with, same deal.
tried a different CF card as well.

Is the show ok......Do you have a card reader to see if it recorded the show? Did you get it wet? Can you post a picture of the LED screen? I never had this happen.
Sorry for your troubles.

the show came out fine, the deck worked all the way through the entire show fine. I was in the car on the way home, any hour later, and it locked up. still the same this morning. I use 2gb sandisk. the media is 100% ok, uploaded show to my PC when I got home.
I carry the deck inside a padded cd carrying case(a bit larger then the deck, not cramped and padded well) I have been extra careful with it, haven't dropped it or anything, and there hasn't been any water near it.
If it overheated, I did not feel any extra heat coming from it, but I did leave it my gear bag after the show closed up for an hour. I am gonna get a UPS # monday AM from Marantz and send it back.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: bobbygeeWOW on October 19, 2007, 02:55:11 PM
Hi, I'm sorry I don't have any suggestions but thought I would add that I've run my deck in blazing hot 4-day festival with no problem.
Only problem i encountered was a bunk CF card once. (first time out of course..)
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on October 19, 2007, 05:30:12 PM
^ It has to be heat. I've never had this problem and I keep my rig out side the bag or in huge fanny pack that I carry it in. Most of the time the 660 is resting against my mic stand pointing upwards so I can see it while I'm dancing.

GDfan.........Could you have had your deck sitting on the floor board of your car or resting on the center console of a standard manual transmission car? They can get reather hot from the heat of your transmission and engine. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: GDfan on October 19, 2007, 10:24:21 PM
auto transmission , and it was on the back seat for 10min, then spyder9 was fiddling with it for a couple minutes, he listened to part of it and then listened to his edirol, went back to listen to mine and it was non responsive.

it dun ded
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: GDfan on October 23, 2007, 03:19:51 PM
I got my SRA # from Marantz this morning, shipped out the 660, I'll see what they say in a few days.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Jammin72 on October 23, 2007, 03:31:06 PM
I'll keep posting this in regard to the 660, just because a CF card works on your computer does not mean that the 660 likes it.  I went through the tech support circle trying to get an issue solved with my 660 using a Sandisk card that I thought was working just fine. If you call Marantz tech support they'll blame the card every time unless it's a Lexar Card.  If you call Sandisk to get a new card they'll blame incompatibility with the machine.  I had my 660 Lock up during recording for a card that worked in everything else I threw it into. I got to the point where I was ready to just sell the machine because I couldn't count on it as being a reliable device.  Finally bucked up and purchased the Lexar and had zero problems from there on out.  They've tweaked this box with this media in mind and it shows. If you own one of these and want real assistance from Marantz use the recommended media.

This almost reminds me of the 'ole 90meter DDS debate.
 ;)

Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on October 23, 2007, 04:33:29 PM
I used the 660 and the same SanDisk card flawlessly last night to record a set that was slightly more than 90 minutes. 
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on October 24, 2007, 06:57:39 AM
I'll keep posting this in regard to the 660, just because a CF card works on your computer does not mean that the 660 likes it.  I went through the tech support circle trying to get an issue solved with my 660 using a Sandisk card that I thought was working just fine. If you call Marantz tech support they'll blame the card every time unless it's a Lexar Card.  If you call Sandisk to get a new card they'll blame incompatibility with the machine.  I had my 660 Lock up during recording for a card that worked in everything else I threw it into. I got to the point where I was ready to just sell the machine because I couldn't count on it as being a reliable device.  Finally bucked up and purchased the Lexar and had zero problems from there on out.  They've tweaked this box with this media in mind and it shows. If you own one of these and want real assistance from Marantz use the recommended media.

This almost reminds me of the 'ole 90meter DDS debate.
 ;)

When i got my acm660 from Doug Oade, he was recommending Lexar, Viking and PNY on Marantz's say so.

I have all three and only had trouble once with a PNY card in the slot. Lost the second set of a kick-ass RRE show, nothing there to recover, even though all the pretty lights danced throughout the set. Never happened again and I've use that card repeatedly since.


Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on October 24, 2007, 08:38:49 AM
Don't use any of those cards and I've never had any problems mentioned above. Only with power and ever sense I bought a 5 V battery pack not one issue. Love my 660. Most of the time it sounds better than my R4.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on October 24, 2007, 07:05:17 PM
Don't use any of those cards and I've never had any problems mentioned above. Only with power and ever sense I bought a 5 V battery pack not one issue. Love my 660. Most of the time it sounds better than my R4.


What 5 volt pack do you use?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on October 24, 2007, 08:02:37 PM
Don't use any of those cards and I've never had any problems mentioned above. Only with power and ever sense I bought a 5 V battery pack not one issue. Love my 660. Most of the time it sounds better than my R4.


What 5 volt pack do you use?

It is small, 11 Watt hours and is only $49.95
http://www.bixnet.com/misihicabapa.html (http://www.bixnet.com/misihicabapa.html) 

or a step up from that

Here is the next step up: 26 Watt hours and is $69.95
http://www.bixnet.com/5v7libapa.html (http://www.bixnet.com/5v7libapa.html)

or the 44 Watt Hour model for $99.00 this is the one I bought
http://www.bixnet.com/mumiexbapaki1.html (http://www.bixnet.com/mumiexbapaki1.html)

I chose external batteries b/c of the fact that you don't have to worry about changing them and you can take them to festies and run all day on the one that I bought.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on October 24, 2007, 08:34:17 PM
Don't use any of those cards and I've never had any problems mentioned above. Only with power and ever sense I bought a 5 V battery pack not one issue. Love my 660. Most of the time it sounds better than my R4.


What 5 volt pack do you use?

It is small, 11 Watt hours and is only $49.95
http://www.bixnet.com/misihicabapa.html (http://www.bixnet.com/misihicabapa.html) 

or a step up from that

Here is the next step up: 26 Watt hours and is $69.95
http://www.bixnet.com/5v7libapa.html (http://www.bixnet.com/5v7libapa.html)

or the 44 Watt Hour model for $99.00 this is the one I bought
http://www.bixnet.com/mumiexbapaki1.html (http://www.bixnet.com/mumiexbapaki1.html)

I chose external batteries b/c of the fact that you don't have to worry about changing them and you can take them to festies and run all day on the one that I bought.

Nice. What kind of run time do you get with that little one?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: GDfan on October 26, 2007, 12:52:08 PM
I got my 660 back in the mail today from Marantz, on the invoice it simply stated:

System Rom.

I am guessing a bad chip on the board.

nice turn around time from Marantz. good customer service.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on October 26, 2007, 01:45:43 PM
good to hear that you got it fixed so quickly. I just put my Busman 660 on the yard sale. I don't care if it sells or not. It is a great box and don't mind holding on to it.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: motobill on October 29, 2007, 06:23:34 PM
good to hear that you got it fixed so quickly. I just put my Busman 660 on the yard sale. I don't care if it sells or not. It is a great box and don't mind holding on to it.
Don't see it, but I'm interested so PM me with info.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on October 30, 2007, 04:41:24 PM
good to hear that you got it fixed so quickly. I just put my Busman 660 on the yard sale. I don't care if it sells or not. It is a great box and don't mind holding on to it.
Don't see it, but I'm interested so PM me with info.

I sent you an email.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: paullySC on November 12, 2007, 03:28:58 PM
Has anyone tried to use a pmd 600 ACM to do any kind of interview work? I'm wondering how it would work in a quiet setting doing an interview. Probably not so good.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on November 12, 2007, 04:41:16 PM
Quote
Has anyone tried to use a pmd 600 ACM to do any kind of interview work? I'm wondering how it would work in a quiet setting doing an interview. Probably not so good.

I think it would do just fine.  Plenty of gain on that box....
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on November 12, 2007, 05:12:26 PM
Has anyone tried to use a pmd 600 ACM to do any kind of interview work? I'm wondering how it would work in a quiet setting doing an interview. Probably not so good.

Don't run the pad. :laugh:

It is fine.....I've taped work meetings and had a friend use mine for an interview. Usually, ever week, I see one on a podium after a football game, capturing. That is what they were designed for in the first place.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on November 13, 2007, 08:18:19 AM
doesn't the ACM mod disable the built in mics?  That means without mics the 660 is useless for interview purposes after the mod right?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on November 13, 2007, 10:06:42 AM
doesn't the ACM mod disable the built in mics?  That means without mics the 660 is useless for interview purposes after the mod right?

True.....my friend used a hand held mic and set the recorder to mono.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on November 13, 2007, 10:12:38 AM
Looks like Oade has replaced the ACM with the Songcatcher Mod.

Song Catcher
The Marantz PMD 660 Song Catcher upgrade is optimized for field recordings of both amplified and un amplified voice and music with condenser microphones. This MOD removes the internal mics and replaces the stock preamps with a low noise, high speed FET preamp selected by ear for musical and soundstaging properties. It also upgrades the line in signal path.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on November 13, 2007, 10:42:36 AM
The Song Catcher is the ACM with the line-input left intact.  The switch for the line-input could cause some noise or saturations, so the ACM is slightly better sounding.  Not woth the extra cash to have the line-input removed IMO.  The original Oade ACM was a bipolar transistor amp and the Song Catcher/new ACM is a FET amp...  The FET is more musical, the bipolar is more detailed....
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on November 16, 2007, 11:06:14 AM
A couple of things as I read the renewed thread.


1) Invest in a Lexar Card,  it's what Marantz sez to use and it's the only one they'll accept as being error free if you have issues with their unit and need to talk with tech support.  Since I made the switch from Sandisc.... 0 Problems!  There IS a difference in memory quality, don't drag down a serious investment like one of these recorders and a serious pair of mics by hunting for bargains on the recording medium.  It's no fun if you're worried about making it home with the show!

2) If you have a modded unit already I can't see any reason to run a preamp in front of it.  I can't speak for the Busman mods but if you have an ACM or you are sporting the new Song Catcher all I can say is that putting anything in front of it will only serve to close down the image. You may change the tone based on the box that's in front but at a price.  If it's tone you're after have fun in your favorite DAW in post!  The Oade modded units with the pad can handle up to a +4dB signal so can handle a preamp in front or even a soundboard if you're so inclined.

3) Remember that the "AA" Batteries are hot swappable in these boxes.  With rechargeables reaching such a high capacity and coming down in price AND having the ability to charger from a 12V supply you can run all day with 16 with only one trip or two back to the ride for festivals.


Have fun guys, it's a great little all in one package!!
:-) Nice summary of the continuing thread.


Thanks.
:-)
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: vwmule on November 16, 2007, 11:52:06 AM
I've had my Oade warm mod 660 for a few weeks and have run it two or three times. It's a great unit, but I'm wondering if I need to engage the pad. Last night, for example, I had the gain all the way up to record the Heavy Pets in Tallahassee. Granted the stage levels were low but in other shows I've really had to crank.

Is the pad vital? Wouldn't it be better to run without so much gain?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: dennisrtyler on November 16, 2007, 11:54:21 AM
Doug says to always run the pad on the 660
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on November 16, 2007, 12:20:04 PM
Doug says to always run the pad on the 660

???  Hmm, I have never run the pad...  Anyone know why he says to do this?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: bobbygeeWOW on November 16, 2007, 12:20:58 PM
The reason doug says that is so you can have the gain up, say 2 o'clock, during louder shows rather than rolling it way back to the AM range.
Its a -20db pad, so the decision to engage it or not depends on how loud you think it will be.
I find that for most of the stuff I record I won't have enough gain with the pad on, but YMMV.. generally speaking the gauge I use is if I have to yell over the music to communicate, the pad is needed..
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on November 16, 2007, 04:55:46 PM
Yup. What he said.

I always run the pad ('cause Doug told me to) unless its acoustic. When I have decided to not go with it, there are always a handful of moments when it clips badly, while the rest of the show runs right where you want it to.

With the pad, I might add a little gain in post, but most of the time its good the way it was recorded.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on November 16, 2007, 09:47:27 PM
if I have to yell over the music to communicate

Please no talking during the music.

When I have decided to not go with it, there are always a handful of moments when it clips badly, while the rest of the show runs right where you want it to.

With the pad, I might add a little gain in post, but most of the time its good the way it was recorded.

Best advise, from my 50+ shows recorded with the 660.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on November 19, 2007, 10:56:41 AM
I got that clicking with a PNY card (recommended) Friday night. Gain was set low, but it seems that once I increased the gain, it stopped . Maybe coincidence.

I've used the card a lot and it only lasted about a minute when I first began recording. I was able to cut it out in post.

Hmm? I never considered the card.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on November 19, 2007, 01:14:27 PM
I got that clicking with a PNY card (recommended) Friday night. Gain was set low, but it seems that once I increased the gain, it stopped . Maybe coincidence.

I've used the card a lot and it only lasted about a minute when I first began recording. I was able to cut it out in post.

Hmm? I never considered the card.
The ticking comes and goes in my recording and I hear it even without the headphones at times.

Our gain settings were opposite. I had it set wide open. So that rules out that :-)

I picked up the Lexar card today, but haven't tried it out yet.
I'm hoping the Marantz recommended card is the cure.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on November 19, 2007, 01:32:23 PM
^ Are you sure it's not cell phone interference?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on November 19, 2007, 03:32:17 PM
^ Are you sure it's not cell phone interference?
No, I'm not at all sure.
Someone did mention cell phones in the thread, but
if there was a definitive test that showed that,
I missed it.
How near would a cellphone have to be, I wonder...
or is proximity not a factor?
They're ubiquitous here. No one is without one.

Let's see what I can find about this, thank you for the new line of reasoning. :)

<edit>

Whaddayaknow, a whole topic on the subject. Thanks again.

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,63217.0.html

<edit2>

I know my phone was off, but I can't speak for anyone else in the venue.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on November 19, 2007, 09:30:36 PM
I just checked the original recording and the spikes that represent the clicks are at 15, 20, 27, 30, and 38 seconds.  Could that have to do with a cell phone? Seems irregular, but maybe I'm only thinking about the ring.  ???
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on November 19, 2007, 10:18:46 PM
I just checked the original recording and the spikes that represent the clicks are at 15, 20, 27, 30, and 38 seconds.  Could that have to do with a cell phone? Seems irregular, but maybe I'm only thinking about the ring.  ???
I don't know, but here's yet another thread on cell-phone noise, I've only read up to the first page so far.

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,93027.0.html

and another

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,65932.0.html
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Corbin on November 21, 2007, 12:56:39 AM

I picked up the Lexar card today, but haven't tried it out yet.
I'm hoping the Marantz recommended card is the cure.


It probably is.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on November 21, 2007, 09:19:31 AM

I picked up the Lexar card today, but haven't tried it out yet.
I'm hoping the Marantz recommended card is the cure.


It probably is.
:) ;D
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on November 25, 2007, 10:25:35 PM
I just want to confirm whether or not the weird 'clicking' noise mentioned waaaay back in the first thread was definitely cured by using a card reader instead of the USB out.

No one's mentioned that recently,
but I can hear it pretty clearly in my most recent recording
made with conservative levels for a highly dynamic performance.
(stock PMD-660)

So much good advice here, just want to be sure about this so I can buy
either a new CF card or just a card reader or both.

Thanks.
:-)

I had been having ticking issues with a Transcend 120X 2GB and a SanDisk Ultra II 4GB. It was really weird b/c I it was a light ticking and only in the right channel. So, I dug up my crappy 256K Lexar card that came with the unit and replaced the SanDisk Ultra II. Low and behold, the strange ticking in my right channel disappeared. Since I have my 660 for sale, I am debating whether or not to shell out cash for a new Lexar Platinum II 4GB. Does anyone have any experience with these cards? (http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll200/20-191-070-01.jpg)
I saw one on New Egg for $68.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Corbin on November 26, 2007, 02:21:23 AM
I just switched to Lexar and the problems with my 660 have been solved.  Not sure if it was the card or the battery contacts that I shaved but everything is working smooth again. 

I've had no problems with my Lexar card..not sure if it's 80 or 60 times though.  I don't think that would make a difference anyway.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on November 26, 2007, 06:00:59 AM
 :) I bought that Lexar 60x 4G card after getting the ticking in the right channel with my Sandisk Extreme.
The 2G cards are 80x and I'd read faster was NOT better, so I payed extra for the slower bigger card.

The next show I taped was considerably louder than anything I'd done previously, but
in a quiet section, when no one was playing, low and behold... ticktickticktickticktickticktickticktick
in the right channel....  :(

At one point during rehearsal I used my cell phone as a flashlight to see where the input dial was positioned.

I need to re-listen to the between band sections of the actual show when I had my phone off,
but probably all 50 or 60 others in the audience had theirs on...

I also did an experiment by running from the AC during sound check and switching to batteries for the show.

In fact, I'll give that a close listen tonight.  :)


Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on November 26, 2007, 08:14:01 AM
My first trial of the Lexar 60x4G card produces that right channel tickticktickticktickticktick,

when listening carefully through headphones
when
my cell phone was off
using both AC and batteries

granted, even with headphones, I have to listen pretty hard, but when the source gets quiet,
the ticking is definitely there.

Again, I can't control the cell phone use of 60 other people in the room,
and therefore can't blame it entirely on the card.

I could try another test in my apartment, but there's so much electrical interference in here,
I doubt it would be scientific. I will try it anyway.
I won't be able to vouch for my downstairs neighbor's cell phone.

Perhaps someone needs to take their machine out into the woods miles from anyone
use a Lexar card and do some quiet field recordings.
I wonder if I'll be able to use the machine in that sort of application... ???  :-\

I think I'll be looking into rigging up one of those metal cage external shielding devices,
despite the added bulk. (and wearing my aluminum foil at too!  :laugh: ::) :) )
Or just carry some pots and pans to the show :laugh: :)

I remembered just a moment ago that my friend used to use a TV remote control next to his guitar pickups to produce a similar ticking sound that he fed through effects and loop pedals....  :-\
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on November 26, 2007, 09:49:05 AM
^ When I had cell phone interference it was right next to my 660, in the bag next to it. I dought it is cell phone now. You might want to send it in to be looked at by Marantz or who you bought it from if it was moded.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on November 26, 2007, 10:26:35 AM
My first trial of the Lexar 60x4G card produces that right channel tickticktickticktickticktick,

when listening carefully through headphones
when
my cell phone was off
using both AC and batteries

granted, even with headphones, I have to listen pretty hard, but when the source gets quiet,
the ticking is definitely there.

Again, I can't control the cell phone use of 60 other people in the room,
and therefore can't blame it entirely on the card.

I could try another test in my apartment, but there's so much electrical interference in here,
I doubt it would be scientific. I will try it anyway.
I won't be able to vouch for my downstairs neighbor's cell phone.

Perhaps someone needs to take their machine out into the woods miles from anyone
use a Lexar card and do some quiet field recordings.
I wonder if I'll be able to use the machine in that sort of application... ???  :-\

I think I'll be looking into rigging up one of those metal cage external shielding devices,
despite the added bulk. (and wearing my aluminum foil at too!  :laugh: ::) :) )
Or just carry some pots and pans to the show :laugh: :)

I remembered just a moment ago that my friend used to use a TV remote control next to his guitar pickups to produce a similar ticking sound that he fed through effects and loop pedals....  :-\


So you got that ticking with the Lexar card? What other cards is everyone else running with no problems?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on November 26, 2007, 10:51:28 AM
I have not noticed any clicking noises.  I used Lexar Pro 4GB and SanDisc Ultra 4GB

Hope this gets figured out...
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on November 26, 2007, 01:30:16 PM
Just got off the phone with Marantz tech support and they verified the ticking issue. He said that the Lexar 4GB Platinum II 80x speed card should work with no problems. In addition, he said that he has seen issues with most other cards. He recommended the following CF cards: Lexar, Viking, Hitachi, IBM, and PNY. Of all of them, he preferred the Lexar and that I should not have any problems with them. If you are having problems even after using the Lexar card, you should call them directly at: 866-405-2154. I also asked him about running an 8GB card and he said it was no problem. The only thing is that you must start a new track after 4GB and that it may not recognize the full capacity of the card when you insert it. So in other words, it might just show 4GB avaialable, and once you use that up, it will recognize another 4GB. I would probably just get two 4GB cards instead.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Corbin on November 26, 2007, 04:49:41 PM
Thanks for the info...

I wonder why Doug has being saying that they won't take 8 GB cards all this time.

Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on November 26, 2007, 05:23:11 PM
I am going to BestBuy tonight to purchase a Lexar card. Going to try it out and see if it has any issues. Hell, I might even buy a couple more and test them all to see which ones are producing noise and report back tomorrow.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on November 26, 2007, 11:33:34 PM
So I went to Bestbuy and purchased two new CF cards to test. the first was a PNY Optima 66x speed and the ticking was extremely faint. The next was a Lexar Professional 133x and it performed better than the PNY. The noise was only noticeable attenuation was set to zero (no pad) and the gain was turned all the way up. Finally I put the original Lexar 256kb card that came with it, and there was no noise at any level. That confirms that the best card out there is the Lexar. I think that the higher the speed, the more noise is introduced. I was going to try out the Lexar Platinum 80x card but that would involve me actually ordering it from online. My guess is that it will perform the best of all cards. I am returning both the cards tomorrow. Just wanted to really know what the real problem was.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on November 27, 2007, 12:33:57 AM
Just wanted to ask everyone with the ticking problem. Does it happen when you're listening to the 660 through the headphone or out jack or only when downloaded to your computer and then listening through the computer? Just a wondering.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on November 27, 2007, 07:59:05 PM
First, I had a Lexar 80x pro 2 gb card in when it happened, and I just listened and I can hear it on playback through the 660.

I saw it initially when I opened it in audacity. Very clear cut spikes that correspond to the time it took me to increase the volume. (It was a really quiet beginning and I ended up cranking the volume at the start of the first set.) The clicking ended after 2 minutes and never returned.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on November 28, 2007, 07:07:19 AM
Have any of y'all noticed that this taping business is a bit addictive?  8)

I woke up thinking about the ticking, and I remembered that when the first set started, it was so quiet that the meter was down at 40.  I increased the volume and that didn't do anything so I began going through the menus for that preset, canceled the 20db pad that I always run, and watched the meter get up tp 12..still lower than I usually record, but better. This is the only time I have gone through the menu choices on the fly while recording. The most I've ever done in the past is increase or decrease the gain settings.

Could the ticking be related to pushing the various keys to make the adjustment?  It isn't 'handling ' noise, and the mics that were 6 feet away certainly couldn't have picked it up, but once the adjustment was made, the ticking went away and never came back.

I'll play with this tonight and see if I can duplicate it.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: bdasilva on November 30, 2007, 08:48:02 AM
Have any of y'all noticed that this taping business is a bit addictive? 
 
  Nah... Never Noticed
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on November 30, 2007, 11:04:58 AM
I'm hearing the ticking when I play the wav files from my computer, and using headphones in the 660.
I didn't make any adjustments to any buttons or dials once the recording started.
I'm using Lexar 4g 60x, after previously using Sandisk Extreme IV 2g
I would say that the ticking is far less noticeable with the Lexar.
Though I can't say it's absent.

Again, I must do something scientific to confirm and contrast the issues.
So far that hasn't happened, so I can only post my experiences in uncontrolled situations so far.
I'll post again once I've done my homework, until then, I just wanted to confirm the situations where I was experiencing the ticking so far and reply to the two posts below.

Have any of y'all noticed that this taping business is a bit addictive?  8)

I woke up thinking about the ticking,

...

I'll play with this tonight and see if I can duplicate it.
:)  :D Ha! You woke up thinking about the ticking?! That's dedication :)
You're certainly more diligent than I. Never did that test I said I was going to do.



Just got off the phone with Marantz tech support and they verified the ticking issue. He said that the Lexar 4GB Platinum II 80x speed card should work with no problems. In addition, he said that he has seen issues with most other cards. He recommended the following CF cards: Lexar, Viking, Hitachi, IBM, and PNY. Of all of them, he preferred the Lexar and that I should not have any problems with them. If you are having problems even after using the Lexar card, you should call them directly at: 866-405-2154. I also asked him about running an 8GB card and he said it was no problem. The only thing is that you must start a new track after 4GB and that it may not recognize the full capacity of the card when you insert it. So in other words, it might just show 4GB avaialable, and once you use that up, it will recognize another 4GB. I would probably just get two 4GB cards instead.
:)
Nice one. I'll keep that number handy. I ordered mine here in Japan, though, so I'll have to check my documentation to see if there is a local number I can contact (hopefully with some English support! ... wishful thinking ::) )
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: NOLAfishwater on November 30, 2007, 12:00:37 PM
I just sold my 660. Going to miss it. Hope you guys continue to pull excellent recordings with them.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: bdasilva on December 09, 2007, 10:26:44 PM
HI guys... I ran my first show with the Bussman PMD660 last night... Delta Nove At Plush in Tucson. I reviewed the settings and made sure the 20bd pad was on and the ALC limiting was not. I ran the TLs from back in front of the of the soundboard. As I ran the the show I watched the meters and all the green leds stayed lit. I ran it so mostly the first orange leds were always lit.. 2nd orange leds blinked.. third orange leds came on here and there and only a few times during the show did I ever see the red blink on. It sounded great thru the headphones. When I dumped it to the computer and brought it up in Audition , it  looked wall to wall tall and the tops of waveforms were squared like there was limiting. Sounds like you would expect.. distorted. What did I do wrong? Did I run it too hot?
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: bobbygeeWOW on December 09, 2007, 11:16:23 PM
Yeah, probly too hot - I run mine all green with very occasional single orange peaks..
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on December 10, 2007, 02:02:55 AM
Yeah, probly too hot - I run mine all green with very occasional single orange peaks..

Same here.  You can always boost in post-production.  You can't undo saturation.

I've really been giving my 660 a workout lately, and its really holding up well.  I've recorded 6 bands in the last 9 nights, all with excellent results.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on December 10, 2007, 10:31:28 AM
^ Doesn't sound right............but I don't have a Busman........I'm always pushing the reds.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: dennisrtyler on December 10, 2007, 10:47:48 AM
^ Doesn't sound right............but I don't have a Busman........I'm always pushing the reds.
yeah i always ran full orange occasional red but that was an oade box
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Corbin on December 10, 2007, 02:13:34 PM
^ Doesn't sound right............but I don't have a Busman........I'm always pushing the reds.
yeah i always ran full orange occasional red but that was an oade box

Same
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on December 10, 2007, 04:54:21 PM
^ Doesn't sound right............but I don't have a Busman........I'm always pushing the reds.
yeah i always ran full orange occasional red but that was an oade box

Same

same again. 

I'd call chris or ask someone else with a bussman.  I run my shit really hot and never have that  problem.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on December 10, 2007, 04:59:02 PM
I have been told that running past the 1st orange can cause saturation or distorion..  I run in the green and let it light up the orange occationally.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on December 10, 2007, 05:11:54 PM
I have been told that running past the 1st orange can cause saturation or distorion..  I run in the green and let it light up the orange occationally.

Not sure, but hotter the better. I've had issues only with the pad off. Pad on, i like to see it turning red for sure.

You sure you got a mod? Sounds kind of like no mod?????
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on December 10, 2007, 06:07:48 PM
You sure you got a mod? Sounds kind of like no mod?????

kinda what I was thinking but didn't want to say it...
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on December 10, 2007, 06:30:22 PM
I bought it directly from Oade who told me that running it hot was not a great idea.  Another member on this board who had a busman mod had a similar experience...

I always run the pad for PA recordings...  When I run the 660 hot it sounds muddy...  In the orange, crystal clear...
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on December 10, 2007, 06:36:09 PM
I bought it directly from Oade who told me that running it hot was not a great idea.  Another member on this board who had a busman mod had a similar experience...

i wonder if this was Doug's way of saying always use the pad...  I always run hot and never have had a "muddy" or "over-saturated" sounding tape.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on December 10, 2007, 07:01:25 PM
That might of been what Doug was getting at, but I am not sure.  I wrote him an email explaining that I was getting some strange saturation. 

He mentioned that I should try being a little more conservative on my levels.  He also said that the ACM has less saturation compaired to the Song Catcher because the line-in circuitry switch is removed from the signal path...

Anyway, it could be a number of variables that were causing these problems for me.  I have switched mics and run my levels lower, problem gone...
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: bobbygeeWOW on December 10, 2007, 08:21:34 PM
Hm, I noticed that the Oaded box, when it clips (red), does so pretty gracefully in terms of kinda smoothing the edges for less of a gnarly popping horror sound during overs. It has to be pretty severe to be audible; however speakers don't like reproducing squared wvase one bit.
I much prefer not rely on those characteristics and simply avoid clipping by running more conservative levels.

If you bust out yer wave editor and zoom in on a peak that hits zero, you'll generally notice the top of the waveform squared off - which is kinda smoothed out (less square) on the Oaded box.

As for the pad, its just a 20 db rolloff, which lets you run the gain knob higher at loud shows than you could without it engaged.
90% of the shows I tape do need the pad. I don't believe it affects the saturation characteristics as such.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Corbin on December 11, 2007, 01:24:06 AM
I thought that by running your levels as hot as possible (without hitting the reds), you are getting the "most" out of your mod, or getting the "benefits" of the mod...I really don't know how to word this properly.."pushing the mod?"

But that's another reason I don't run my 660 conservatively in the greens.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on December 11, 2007, 08:49:26 AM
^Tappin' that mod.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: dennisrtyler on December 11, 2007, 08:50:20 AM
^Tappin' that mod.
;D
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: bobbygeeWOW on December 11, 2007, 08:51:12 AM
Well higher levels are good! Furthur from the noisefloor and more bits to describe the amplitude.
I mostly record in highly dynamic situations where a 12db spike above normal peaks is not uncommon - but with a loud rock band running full PA through compression/limiting, you might not see that, and I will run my levels higher under those circumstances too.
But I still avoid the red. :)
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on December 11, 2007, 09:43:10 AM
I would typically agree that pushing the levels as close to clipping as possible is the way to go.  Unfortunatly I am not sure that is always the case with modified boxes.

After changing op-amps and other circuitry you would think that the gain range might be modified enought to cause the meters to be off..  Even if the meters are the same who is to say that a op-amp performs the best at its maximum?  I don't know any of these answers, just playing devils advocate...

Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on December 11, 2007, 10:04:01 AM
Ah Fuck it,  I'm so confused now.  I'm gonna email Doug and see what he says...
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: dennisrtyler on December 11, 2007, 10:05:07 AM
Ah Fuck it,  I'm so confused now.  I'm gonna email Doug and see what he says...
Doug will tell you to run the pad and run it hot, hot as in full orange
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: flintstone on December 11, 2007, 11:36:39 AM
The big advantage of 24 bit recording is that you don't have to run "balls-to-the-wall" to get a decent signal to noise ratio.  You can raise the overall level of a 24 bit recording in post without bringing the noise floor up to the point where it's intrusive. 

The noise floor of 16 bit recordings becomes noticeable more quickly as you boost the levels in post.  So a 16 bit recorder like the 660, should be run close to clipping in order to keep the noise floor down.

Flintstone
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on December 11, 2007, 12:01:39 PM
What he said. Run the Oade 660 hot. It's pretty forgiving. Orange is good. A few reds aren't bad.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: bdasilva on December 11, 2007, 03:01:01 PM
Crap...  I bought a 660 the day they were released and ran just two Radiators shows only to figure out about clipping and brickwalling... a short talk with Doug told me to dump it because it wasn't going to work for what we did and he wasn't going to mod it if I didn't buy it from him.  Does everyone with a bussman mod run it in the green?   could it be the meters just not in sync with the actual levels?
Chris did send me an email offering to help my situation... No questions about his continuing support for our community.

"It should have been able to run hot but it seems with these that it depends on the SPLs produced by the PA. All my tests I was not able to overload the pres but I cannot produce the same SPLs that a PA can. If you continue to have issues let me know and I can adjust the gain stage more to handle it.
They have 4 revisions of the 660 and each one requires different work to the gain stage and in one case I had to rework it after the inital mod. Either way just let me know and I will get it where it needs to be."
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: bensyverson on December 11, 2007, 05:12:38 PM
I may be offloading the Busman 660 I just got -- it's amazing, but I want to try 24 bit.

If anyone is interested before I open it up to the YS, lemme know. LN condition, still under Busman warranty, $500 shipped.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on January 04, 2008, 06:15:19 AM
A PMD660 recording in the kickdown, this was my first time in public with the box.

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,96523.0.html

Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Sam Lord on January 05, 2008, 03:14:10 PM
The big advantage of 24 bit recording is that you don't have to run "balls-to-the-wall" to get a decent signal to noise ratio.  You can raise the overall level of a 24 bit recording in post without bringing the noise floor up to the point where it's intrusive. 

The noise floor of 16 bit recordings becomes noticeable more quickly as you boost the levels in post.  So a 16 bit recorder like the 660, should be run close to clipping in order to keep the noise floor down.
Indeed, but these portable recorders' internal micpre noise levels rarely get to 16-bit equivalent EIN, so 24 bits is far more useful with external, truly-low-noise micpres and ADCs.  But you knew that... :)
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: bruloup on January 13, 2008, 09:22:21 PM
that modded recorder still available???

 tried to pm but couldn't get it togo through

thank you
jackson
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on January 14, 2008, 07:26:00 AM
that modded recorder still available???

 tried to pm but couldn't get it togo through

thank you
jackson

The pmd 660 isn't available.
However someone has a pmd 670 busman mod
in the yard sale. Great price too.
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,97029.0.html
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: bdasilva on January 20, 2008, 05:54:42 PM
Well.. I sold my PMD-660 in the yardsale so I won't be a member of this team (thread) anymore (Why is there no team?) but I have to tell you how my problem with meters and clipping turned out. Chris and I talked and looked at the waveform...  It was some clipping and flattops on signal that where no clipping. We both figured out the A/D was overloading. I sent it back to him and he turned it right around and now the meters match what is being recorded. What is being recorded is perfect.  What a great sounding box. I could love it.     The R-4 will suit me better tho.  Good luck guys, You made a good choice choosing the modded PMD-660. When you consider what even a UA-5 and a JB-3 have costed... Its a smokin deal.
Title: Re: Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on January 22, 2008, 12:12:38 PM
Sorry to hear you're leaving the pseudo team.
The R-4 looks like a bad (meaning good) little box.
Multi-track fun in your future, I see. :)

2 tracks keeps me plenty busy for the time being. (even without a mod)


Well.. I sold my PMD-660 in the yardsale so I won't be a member of this team (thread) anymore (Why is there no team?) but I have to tell you how my problem with meters and clipping turned out. Chris and I talked and looked at the waveform...  It was some clipping and flattops on signal that where no clipping. We both figured out the A/D was overloading. I sent it back to him and he turned it right around and now the meters match what is being recorded. What is being recorded is perfect.  What a great sounding box. I could love it.     The R-4 will suit me better tho.  Good luck guys, You made a good choice choosing the modded PMD-660. When you consider what even a UA-5 and a JB-3 have costed... Its a smokin deal.

Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on January 22, 2008, 12:39:07 PM
We're a TEAM now!  Topic title changed per suggestions in the topic.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on January 22, 2008, 12:59:37 PM
woot! team 660...
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on January 24, 2008, 09:56:33 AM
How does the file split work with this box? anybody know?  I have the opportunity to tape tonight with power in a super safe spot and an empty 4gig card.  I want to set up and start taping the opener and just let it go till the end of the show .  Probably something like 9pm-1am.  will this work?  Or will I run into trouble?
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: vwmule on January 24, 2008, 02:59:04 PM
I have AT853 that end in 1/8th inch plug. What do I need to do to use with the 660?
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on January 24, 2008, 03:11:40 PM
I have AT853 that end in 1/8th inch plug. What do I need to do to use with the 660?

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They have a right angle one too...

http://www.naiant.com/studiostore/cleverdevices.html
http://www.naiant.com/pfaspecification.html

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Use any stereo plug-in power microphone with a standard professional microphone preamplifier! Requires phantom power; supplies +9V to plug-in power microphone. Also available with right-angle XLR connectors for $69.

Using the PFA



The PFA is a phantom-power adaptor for plug-in power mics, which enables the mics to be connected to standard professional microphone preamplifiers. The PFA supplies the appropriate voltage to the plug-in power microphones, and provides a balanced, low impedance output to the microphone preamplifier.


The left and right channels of the PFA operate independently, so phantom power must be supplied to both channels for stereo operation.


The PFA supplies +9V across 4.7KΩ resistors to each microphone channel. The PFA requires +24V to +48V phantom power to operate; lower voltages may work with reduced voltage supply to the microphones.


 

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Phantom Power: +24V to +48V required
Current: 3mA minimum
Input Impedance: 4.7KΩ
Recommended Preamp Input Impedance: 600Ω minimum
Total Harmonic Distortion, 1kHz @ -10dBV: 0.4%
Total Harmonic Distortion, 1kHz @ -30dBV: <0.05%
Maximum Level, 1kHz @ 1% THD: 0dBV
Frequency Response: 20Hz to 20kHz
Self-Noise: -103dBV
Weight: 2.9oz (83g)
Dimensions (XLR): 2 3/4" x 3/4"ø (70mm x 19mmø)
Dimensions (minijack): 1 3/8" x 3/8"ø (35mm x 9mmø)
 


Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on January 27, 2008, 01:15:19 PM
How does the file split work with this box? anybody know?  I have the opportunity to tape tonight with power in a super safe spot and an empty 4gig card.  I want to set up and start taping the opener and just let it go till the end of the show .  Probably something like 9pm-1am.  will this work?  Or will I run into trouble?
A day late and a dollar short, I am, but I usually don't record continuously. Set breaks and band change overs make convenient times to hit stop for a few minutes. If nothing else, hit the Rec button to start a new file. Some have said that trying to record just one massive file doesn't work so well. I can see why.

They only major failure I've ever had so far is hitting stop, and then immediately powering down. Big no-no. The data isn't really written to the card until a second or so after you hit stop. So, I lost that pull because I powered down before the data was committed to the card. Careful.

Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: vwmule on February 04, 2008, 03:25:55 PM
I have already asked for help (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,98155.0.html) in another part of this board but still looking for salvation.

Somehow a recording I made Saturday night did not register on the compact flash. All I get is a file with zero bytes. I really want this show. Anyone know what I can do? I'm going to try one of the recovery programs.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Jammin72 on February 04, 2008, 05:02:51 PM
I have already asked for help (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,98155.0.html) in another part of this board but still looking for salvation.

Somehow a recording I made Saturday night did not register on the compact flash. All I get is a file with zero bytes. I really want this show. Anyone know what I can do? I'm going to try one of the recovery programs.


It's quite possible that nothing was actually written.  I had that happen once,  I've also had the unit freeze control wise yet the levels were still bouncing but nothing recorded past the freeze point.


All of my problems stopped as soon as I switched to the Lexar Gold card.

Sorry to hear that!!
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: vwmule on February 04, 2008, 05:15:52 PM
It was certainly recording because the digital timer was ticking away. I use a Kingston pro card and have never had an issue. One potential problem. I used AC power during the earlier show, then popped in batteries for Col. Bruce. Could that have done something? If so, that's a huge flaw. Under almost any other circumstance I would get over this problem but the performance was extraordinary and I was the only one rolling.

I know one thing I'm going to do: Buy a few 2 gb flash cards and use them for single shows. That way I can switch out and reformat each time, to avoid any problem.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on February 04, 2008, 08:40:23 PM
Lexar is the way to go.
I have a 2gb and a 1gb platinumII 80x.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Corbin on February 05, 2008, 10:16:13 AM

All of my problems stopped as soon as I switched to the Lexar Gold card.


same and same
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: vwmule on February 05, 2008, 12:07:47 PM
so I ran PC Inspector on the CompactFlash and it recovered several files, including the Bruce show. Great news, right? Not quite. It only gave me 15 megs worth, or the first minute and a half. Is there a better recovery program?
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on February 24, 2008, 04:18:06 PM
Hey all.
Ran my 391's~> Busman 660 for three consecutive nights of MMW.
Everything came out flawless.
I use external batteries http://www.bixnet.com/5v7libapa.html
and Lexar 2gb platinum cards.http://www.amazon.com/Platinum-Compact-Flash-2GB-80X/dp/B000FCYHUC
My recordings came out so nice too.
Love this box.

If yours is unmodded, do yourself a favor and get it done.
I ran the attentuation on the box as suggested.
I had my gain at around 10:30 all nights, so I had plenty left over.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on February 24, 2008, 04:52:44 PM
I use external batteries http://www.bixnet.com/5v7libapa.html

Nice looking battery.... might go with this for more low profile.
Thanks
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on February 24, 2008, 05:01:13 PM
Yeah it works great.
I bought four e2 lithiums for the internal sled just in case.
Never touched them.

The battery will run for about 6 hours with phantom on
as well as the light on the screen.
I love it.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on March 09, 2008, 11:22:14 AM
My batteries crapped out during the next to last song of the 2nd set last night. I assume that the header wasn't written and the data is lost, but it was a killer set and if anyone has ideas for recovery, I'd appreciate them.

Right now, there is no file listed. I have the first set and the last song of the night.

Thanks
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on March 12, 2008, 08:32:16 PM
You should get external batts.

You may want to pm shackaholic.
He lost his files during transfer from his 671 at my house.
He paid for a program to recover his files and it worked flawlessly.
Not sure if you want to pay for it but it worked.

and plus tee for your troubles.
-todd

Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: ol' dirty taper on March 14, 2008, 01:39:21 AM
Hey guys

I am new to the Marantz PMD660, I havent gone through the forums to see if other had this issue yet... but I just picked up a slightly used PMD660 (its 3 months old).

The issue I am having is a slight static noise at all gain levels. I have tested whether it would disappear with attenuation off/on, AC power or battery powered. After all those options I have kind of run out of ideas. Would a computer nearby cause this effect at all? Even with the gain completely down I still get the low static.

I am powering the mic via the 48v phantom power. Does the system have a slight flaw I was unaware of?

I have seen mention of the Oade/Busman mods, these relate directly to this or did I buy a defunct unit?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

ok I tested several CF cards as I read in the other section of this thread that might be an issue, I've ran SanDisk, Kingston, Lexar, and A-Data. All have the same noise, could it be the cable or mic? I have been testing with an AT2021. Would being near a computer cause issues as well?

I want to try and remedy all that I can ASAP as I have to use this unit for a video shoot this weekend.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on March 14, 2008, 07:11:24 AM
You should get external batts.

You may want to pm shackaholic.
He lost his files during transfer from his 671 at my house.
He paid for a program to recover his files and it worked flawlessly.
Not sure if you want to pay for it but it worked.

and plus tee for your troubles.
-todd

+T for the info about shackaholic. I'll pm and find out what the program is. I just ordered a Tekkeon because even though Doug Oade feels the 660 doesn't need an external. the only problems I've had have been battery related. That said, I am paying more attention to my management of rechargables. Have discherged/charged all of them in an effort to get max run time.

Also found that if I hadn't popped in new batteries and recorded the last song of the second set, I would have had a shot at recovering the bulk of that set that only needed a header. By powering up and hitting record, it appears I overwrote anything that was there.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on March 14, 2008, 06:52:06 PM
AJ,
I have no clue what that is.
I know some people have had ticking in the right channel but.
that was remedied with a change to lexar cards.

Try posting the question in the ask the tapers thread
http://taperssection.com/index.php?board=23.0
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: ol' dirty taper on March 16, 2008, 01:17:23 AM
Newplanet

Its not exactly a ticking as much as just a extremely high static noise level. I tried all the different cards including the original Lexar card and didnt notice any difference on the recordings. I did turn off my bluetooth on the comp and did notice a slight difference but not much. I think I might be just overly sensitive to the normal static noise levels on this thing.



Is the Oade Mod still considered a "warm" mod to this system? I saw in the earlier posts there were variants from 1st gen to 2nd. Mine is Serial # 200206... and later. I have been trying to figure out if I just send it to them or Busman if it'll kill that noise.

Anyone have experience with the Oade mod w/Beyer MC930s? I am still undecided if this would make them a little too "warm" since the mics sound pretty warm on their own. I cant decide on mics in this price range that'll work well.

I am up for suggestions!
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on March 16, 2008, 02:31:45 PM
Newplanet

Its not exactly a ticking as much as just a extremely high static noise level. I tried all the different cards including the original Lexar card and didnt notice any difference on the recordings. I did turn off my bluetooth on the comp and did notice a slight difference but not much. I think I might be just overly sensitive to the normal static noise levels on this thing.



Is the Oade Mod still considered a "warm" mod to this system? I saw in the earlier posts there were variants from 1st gen to 2nd. Mine is Serial # 200206... and later. I have been trying to figure out if I just send it to them or Busman if it'll kill that noise.

Anyone have experience with the Oade mod w/Beyer MC930s? I am still undecided if this would make them a little too "warm" since the mics sound pretty warm on their own. I cant decide on mics in this price range that'll work well.

I am up for suggestions!
Hi aj.
I am not sure what the problem is but you could give it a test.

First off are you running the -20 db pad on the box?
If not you should be, especially if yours is unmodded.
Mine is modded and the first time out I ran a stage-lip recording
without the pad on, and the recording was distorted.
I always run the pad on now and have not one problem since.
Where did you buy the 660?

If you didn't get your 660 from oade he won't mod it.
I have a busman modded 660.
The Busman mod is transparent.
Chris will mod it for you.
Here is the busman audio thread
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,94050.0.html
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: vwmule on March 16, 2008, 10:03:36 PM
I hate to report this following a major problem losing a show a few weeks ago.

But I was recording Toubab Krewe last night and ran into another disaster. Had my LSD2 on stage and was expecting a killer recording. More than an hour in, I check the recorder and see it is off - dead, no power. The power switch is still on. I rush to put in new batteries and get it rolling again, but 10 minutes later, that dies. Toggle switch and power comes on for a second, then dies. Both battery sets were fully charged.

Now, the recorder shows neither file. (And I was using a Lexar gold)

Anyone know what could have happened? The deck was on stage and the only thing I can think is vibrations are to blame. But for it to happen twice seems odd. Really frustrating. Kicking myself because I had the power cord and an outlet was available.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on March 17, 2008, 01:47:30 AM
I hate to report this following a major problem losing a show a few weeks ago.

But I was recording Toubab Krewe last night and ran into another disaster. Had my LSD2 on stage and was expecting a killer recording. More than an hour in, I check the recorder and see it is off - dead, no power. The power switch is still on. I rush to put in new batteries and get it rolling again, but 10 minutes later, that dies. Toggle switch and power comes on for a second, then dies. Both battery sets were fully charged.

Now, the recorder shows neither file. (And I was using a Lexar gold)

Anyone know what could have happened? The deck was on stage and the only thing I can think is vibrations are to blame. But for it to happen twice seems odd. Really frustrating. Kicking myself because I had the power cord and an outlet was available.

Shims?  Get an external battery.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on April 01, 2008, 03:46:33 AM
Interesting discovery (?) about the 'rhythmic ticking' problem.

When I used the 'DC 5v in' instead of batteries last night

the recording has not a hint of ticking even during the quiet moments before the band started and all that was going on was some chatter and the bgm.

Amazing!

This was a total accident. Third show in three days and I didnt' manage to get my batteries recharged in time so I figured I'd risk the electric outlet. Whaddaya know, NO TICKING! I can't believe it. I was using what was left of the batteries during the sound check and there is crazy ticking even WITH the LEXAR card...
though the Lexar ticking is far less intrusive than the SanDisk card I have.

I also did a stealth recording at an Osaka coffee shop before one of the shows
using batteries and the Internal Mics... No Ticking!

what does this mean?


This is a major discovery for me... about 15 shows too late, but this very nice.
I guess I'll just have to put up with ticking if I do any nature recordings...
or get an external power supply, which kind of defeats the point of having an all-in-one box.
.
.
.
.
Now
if I can just figure out whether its my mics or the 660
that can't handle the bass frequencies at blasting rock shows.
... even with the pad.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on April 01, 2008, 04:29:14 AM
Hey guys

I am new to the Marantz PMD660, I havent gone through the forums to see if other had this issue yet... but I just picked up a slightly used PMD660 (its 3 months old).

The issue I am having is a slight static noise at all gain levels. I have tested whether it would disappear with attenuation off/on, AC power or battery powered. After all those options I have kind of run out of ideas. Would a computer nearby cause this effect at all? Even with the gain completely down I still get the low static.

I am powering the mic via the 48v phantom power. Does the system have a slight flaw I was unaware of?

I have seen mention of the Oade/Busman mods, these relate directly to this or did I buy a defunct unit?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

ok I tested several CF cards as I read in the other section of this thread that might be an issue, I've ran SanDisk, Kingston, Lexar, and A-Data. All have the same noise, could it be the cable or mic? I have been testing with an AT2021. Would being near a computer cause issues as well?

I want to try and remedy all that I can ASAP as I have to use this unit for a video shoot this weekend.
I get distortion related to loud bass frequencies. Everything else sounds clear,
just when a kick drum or bass guitar is played through a club-scale PA in a small room.
Sounds like the sound you make with your lips when you play trumpet or other brass instruments.

This past Saturday I was getting the distortion during rehearsal, but continued to be at a loss for how to deal with it. I wouldn't even call Shangrila in Osaka a small room. It's quite large, in fact. During the show I noticed that the degree the bass was attacking my chest cavity at the back next to the mixer was far less pronounced than in the middle of the room in front of the drink counter and video projector where my gear was set up. I moved the mikes to the back of the room after the first band, but the distortion actually seemed to get worse with a strange-digi-like-noise occurring even during clapping. This weird 'artefact' sound began after the move. I had the 660 strapped down to the flight case for my mics. I can't figure how external pressure would cause this.

The next night I recorded free jazz in a smaller place called Elevate. I continued using the Lexar card for the rehearsal and there is some distortion connected to kick-drum strikes. I started wondering if the CF card had a problem at this point and changed to my SanDisk card even though I knew it had a history of producing louder 'ticking' than the Lexar card. I used the SanDisk for the show and there is no distortion, but the ticking is nearly intolerable with headphones on.

For the third night in-a-row of recording I switched back to the Lexar only because it still had three hours of space left. The venue, Tokuzo, is more of a night-club/restaurant than a disco or rock-club, so the house system isn't so overpowering. It's also about twice the distance between the stage and mixer than at Elevate. No distortion.

I mentioned this distortion problem to the sound man emphasising that the levels were perfectly sane and quite far from red-lining. He actually suggested that the noise might be from my mics rather than from the box... granted he didn't have the luxury of hearing the noise... being too busy with his job... He was just taking a brief moment to come talk to me about my set-up and so forth.

I've contacted the Marantz dealer for Japan to no avail.
They don't seem to reply to email.
I haven't had a moment for a time consuming and costly telephone call,
but I did send them a CD with samples of distorted and non distorted recordings
along with detailed descriptions of the recording process. So far no reply.

I've been thinking I might just invest a couple hundred bucks in a Zoom H4.
Anything would be preferable to ticking and distortion...
and at the price they go for it would be worth it just to do a side-by-side comparison.

Someone talk me out of it before my next pay-cheque! :lol:
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on April 01, 2008, 06:21:38 PM
Send it to busman and get it modded!
Done deal. You won't have any distortion.
It is because yours is a stock unit and is not made for higher spl's
produced by p.a.'s
The 660 wasn't intended for what we use it for.
That's where the mods come in.
You should do that before going with a zoom IMO.
Use the box right and you'll get great results.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on April 02, 2008, 09:32:40 AM
Send it to busman and get it modded!
Done deal. You won't have any distortion.
It is because yours is a stock unit and is not made for higher spl's
produced by p.a.'s
The 660 wasn't intended for what we use it for.
That's where the mods come in.
You should do that before going with a zoom IMO.
Use the box right and you'll get great results.

That's probably the most sensible thing, rather than having two mediocre recorders, be without one for a while and get it tuned up. Thanks for putting it to me straight.

I tape in a lot of different environments so I wanted to keep all of the original functionality, but it seems I've found the limitations rather quickly.

Don't get me wrong, in some situations I have got great results and I'm generally very happy. Just one band I like to tape that plays in ground shaking clubs on a fairly regular basis.

and I'll be looking for power outlets from now on too. :-) Thanks for the reply.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on April 02, 2008, 09:42:35 AM
and I'll be looking for power outlets from now on too.

Won't need an outlet with this baby.

http://www.batterybarn.com/pr2310.htm
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on April 02, 2008, 05:32:17 PM
Nice batt.

Since I don't/won't do festivals
I use this http://www.bixnet.com/5v7libapa.html
It gives me some security because I know it won't run out for
about six hours with the screen on and phantom on..
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on April 02, 2008, 07:03:43 PM
Nice batt.

Since I don't/won't do festivals
I use this http://www.bixnet.com/5v7libapa.html
It gives me some security because I know it won't run out for
about six hours with the screen on and phantom on..


Great stealth applications, if I stealthed. ;)
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on April 02, 2008, 07:33:55 PM
Great stealth applications, if I stealthed. ;)
:scared:
Plus tizzle
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on April 03, 2008, 12:18:39 AM
+Ts all around, on me  ;D

So now I guess that next paycheque is accounted for. :-)

Those batts are bookmarked.
My network is choking at the moment... someone else in my building must be torrenting!  >:(  :P

We're on 100V 60 cycle here (50 cycle north of Tokyo fwiw),
so I may look around to see if I can find something similar domestically.
110V stuff generally still works here, but just not as efficiently.

At least I know what I'm looking for now. :-)

Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on April 29, 2008, 07:10:10 AM
So, here are a couple of recent interesting experiences with the 660. Sorry for such a long post.

Taping with the internal batteries again (more on that later) at an outdoor festival with music (as opposed to a music festival) where the sound was pretty mild.

I left off the -20db pad and amazingly found no ticking.
I got a full day of great pulls on the internal batteries with the input dial at either 10 or 9 o'clock
and no pads or filters on the mics either. I was very happy.
Sill using the same Lexar 4.0g 60x card, by the way.

At one point after the music was over I'd disengaged the phantom in anticipation of breaking down when I heard something interesting and without thinking just powered up and hit record. Wow, really loud ticking in addition to the expected noise. I don't know what that means and it is certainly a useless 10 seconds of sound, but the presence of ticking in that situation seems like a clue for someone who knows more about electricity than I do. :-)


The reason I chose to run without the pad (in addition to the fact that it wasn't at all loud) was that a couple nights ago I'd been testing my new windscreens by recording my 4th floor veranda  and found the ticking even when plugged in to the electric outlet which seemed to throw out my previous claim that the DC cured the ticking. The current at my apartment is a bit suspect compared to Tokuzo where I'd experienced the lack of ticking using the DC in.

This has nothing to do with the 660, but in addition to the ticking I was getting this really horrible electrical interference only when the mics were outside but with both DC power and with batteries. The sound would all but disappear when rotating the mic stand to a different angle and then shift to the left channel if I turned far enough. The sound was never as loud in the left channel, however. When I bring the mics inside the apartment the noise is almost gone, well, enough gone that I think I'd never noticed it before at least....
but I digress...

Then, just for kicks (and to do a simulation for the festival),
I took off the -20db pad with the batteries in and there was no ticking.(!?) :-)


Which brings me to the battery issue.
I've been searching round all the usual geek stores for a battery box that will give me 5V and can't find anything. I tried searching at http://www.soundhouse.co.jp/ , but couldn't come up with anything... I've since confirmed the Japanese terminology, better to try again... 6V, or 4.something  or 1.5 or 12 is abundant, but everyone just shakes their head and apologises when I ask for 5.

Though the removal of the pad seemed to take away the ticking when using batteries I'd still like to get a battery box as a back-up. Anyone with more EE knowledge than me wanna talk me out of trying to import (actually they probably won't ship it to Japan anyway) one of the battery boxes linked above (or on previous pages)?

Anyway, still enjoying the stock 660 and trying to get as much out of it as I can.
I got a mixer for the massively loud shows I occasionally tape.
Thank you for the Bussman recommendations, but a mixer is a solution that doesn't leave me without a recorder for an extended period of time and also gives me some flexibility to do sbd/fob matrices, so I went for that. It also doesn't effect anything else I do with the 660. I've saved the email address, though. :-)


Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on April 29, 2008, 07:32:00 PM

Which brings me to the battery issue.
I've been searching round all the usual geek stores for a battery box that will give me 5V and can't find anything. I tried searching at http://www.soundhouse.co.jp/ , but couldn't come up with anything... I've since confirmed the Japanese terminology, better to try again... 6V, or 4.something  or 1.5 or 12 is abundant, but everyone just shakes their head and apologises when I ask for 5.


I just got this  http://tinyurl.com/5pqhep .Pick your voltage.

I used it the other night, running for 3 hours straight with the 660's display on, and it only showed one light off.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on April 29, 2008, 07:53:41 PM

Which brings me to the battery issue.
I've been searching round all the usual geek stores for a battery box that will give me 5V and can't find anything. I tried searching at http://www.soundhouse.co.jp/ , but couldn't come up with anything... I've since confirmed the Japanese terminology, better to try again... 6V, or 4.something  or 1.5 or 12 is abundant, but everyone just shakes their head and apologises when I ask for 5.


I just got this  http://tinyurl.com/5pqhep .Pick your voltage.

I used it the other night, running for 3 hours straight with the 660's display on, and it only showed one light off.
That looks nice too.
I just sent them a message asking if they'd ship to Japan.
Their order form seems to only have a space for US zip codes, but we'll see.
I'm going to have to check the shipping policies for the other battery options too.

Thanks  :)

-----edit-----

http://www.batterybarn.com/pr2310.htm
If I'd just looked more carefully, these guys ship internationally and say so right on their page,
but the above option is certainly more elegant.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on April 29, 2008, 09:03:38 PM
How about Amazon http://tinyurl.com/3fhpc8 ?

There are other batteries above in the thread, but I'm impressed with this one, and I can use it for other electronics.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on April 30, 2008, 12:49:16 AM
How about Amazon http://tinyurl.com/3fhpc8 ?

There are other batteries above in the thread, but I'm impressed with this one, and I can use it for other electronics.
Yeah, I liked the looks of that one too.
It seems very versatile with the USB interface. Not to mention compact.
The link I followed from earlier in the thread was not Amazon
and that site only shipped to the US and Canada.
I now see a seller at Amazon who will ship internationally.
My net shopping skills need some work obviously. lol. :-)

GeekBro.com also only ships to the US.
They responded to their website contact form within an hour.
I was pretty amazed by that.

I used a similar form to contact Marantz once and have never had a response...
in fact, the same is true for several other manufacturers, including Japan's Schoeps distributor.


...but I digress...

I went with this one ( http://www.batterybarn.com/pr2310.htm ) simply because they'll ship to Japan
and I've worn out my shoes looking for one around here. lol.
They say it will work on our 100/60 current here too (as well as other international standards).

It's versatile in a different way.
It can be used with a variety of voltages. Up to 12V, which means I can use it on my Tascam Porta 07 cassette MTR too! lol. Can't wait to try that! lol
If this one had the USB feature and looked a little nicer it would be the hands down favourite.

In a way I'm glad I didn't see that Amazon link, otherwise I'd still be agonising over the choice. :-)
I'll keep it bookmarked in case I plan an extended trip without my computer...
though a 2G Nano would probably get old rather quickly if the trip was too long. :-)

Thanks again for the links. :-)
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: johnmuge on May 01, 2008, 10:43:01 AM
Newplanet

Its not exactly a ticking as much as just a extremely high static noise level. I tried all the different cards including the original Lexar card and didnt notice any difference on the recordings. I did turn off my bluetooth on the comp and did notice a slight difference but not much. I think I might be just overly sensitive to the normal static noise levels on this thing.



Is the Oade Mod still considered a "warm" mod to this system? I saw in the earlier posts there were variants from 1st gen to 2nd. Mine is Serial # 200206... and later. I have been trying to figure out if I just send it to them or Busman if it'll kill that noise.

Anyone have experience with the Oade mod w/Beyer MC930s? I am still undecided if this would make them a little too "warm" since the mics sound pretty warm on their own. I cant decide on mics in this price range that'll work well.

I am up for suggestions!
I'm running the Beyers with a Advanced Concert Mod PMD660 and i've been happy with the recordings.  I've been using both sandisc and lexar cf cards and have not had any ticking or noise problems with either. 
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on May 02, 2008, 09:53:39 AM
Newplanet

Its not exactly a ticking as much as just a extremely high static noise level. I tried all the different cards including the original Lexar card and didnt notice any difference on the recordings. I did turn off my bluetooth on the comp and did notice a slight difference but not much. I think I might be just overly sensitive to the normal static noise levels on this thing.



Is the Oade Mod still considered a "warm" mod to this system? I saw in the earlier posts there were variants from 1st gen to 2nd. Mine is Serial # 200206... and later. I have been trying to figure out if I just send it to them or Busman if it'll kill that noise.

Anyone have experience with the Oade mod w/Beyer MC930s? I am still undecided if this would make them a little too "warm" since the mics sound pretty warm on their own. I cant decide on mics in this price range that'll work well.

I am up for suggestions!
I'm running the Beyers with a Advanced Concert Mod PMD660 and i've been happy with the recordings.  I've been using both sandisc and lexar cf cards and have not had any ticking or noise problems with either. 
Cool.

Do you normally use the internal batteries?
Do you use the -20db attenuation?

These are two parameters may be having an impact on the ticking I've experienced.
Last two outings for me have come up clean while continuing to use the same Lexar card.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: johnmuge on May 02, 2008, 10:07:02 AM
I've always used -20db attenuator and  internal batterys.  MMW was not loud at all and still had good levels with the pad on.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on May 03, 2008, 02:13:22 PM
I've always used -20db attenuator and  internal batterys.  MMW was not loud at all and still had good levels with the pad on.
I always run the pad too.
I just use externals because they are more of peace of mind for me.
The 660 has had battery sled/contact issues and I figured I would just bypass that.

I am thinking of either getting some of those beyers or 460's or 480's.
John,
you taped the 26th and 27th right?
They sound great.
I did the 21st,22,23, and 29th.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: johnmuge on May 04, 2008, 08:53:39 AM
I've always used -20db attenuator and  internal batterys.  MMW was not loud at all and still had good levels with the pad on.
I always run the pad too.
I just use externals because they are more of peace of mind for me.
The 660 has had battery sled/contact issues and I figured I would just bypass that.

I am thinking of either getting some of those beyers or 460's or 480's.
John,
you taped the 26th and 27th right?
They sound great.
I did the 21st,22,23, and 29th.
     I only taped MMW on 2-23 at the Klein in Bridgeport at the stage lip.  We got there late and missed the beginning of the show but the second set came out awesome.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on May 04, 2008, 02:36:23 PM
I only taped MMW on 2-23 at the Klein in Bridgeport at the stage lip.  We got there late and missed the beginning of the show but the second set came out awesome.
My bad.
There are mc930 sources for the 26th & 27th, but I already archived it.
And since the db @ etree is down I just figured it was you.

Hell of a show though, the 23rd.
Wish I had known you were going, could've had a pre-show brew.
Soon I'm sure.
-todd
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on May 04, 2008, 11:13:56 PM
Pad on+external=no problem
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: johnmuge on May 05, 2008, 09:51:09 AM
I only taped MMW on 2-23 at the Klein in Bridgeport at the stage lip.  We got there late and missed the beginning of the show but the second set came out awesome.
My bad.
There are mc930 sources for the 26th & 27th, but I already archived it.
And since the db @ etree is down I just figured it was you.

Hell of a show though, the 23rd.
Wish I had known you were going, could've had a pre-show brew.
Soon I'm sure.
-todd
If you would like to hear my source, PM me your address and i'll get out to ya.  Pre-show brews sound good to me always.  ;D
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on May 05, 2008, 04:33:22 PM
Pad on+external=no problem
QFMFT
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on May 27, 2008, 03:31:02 PM
Does anyone know how (or if you can) to turn of the internal speakers?  Every once in a while I like to listen in the car or from home using the line out and the internals are blaring the whole time.  It's really annoying unless the stereo is up really loud so that it overpowers the tiny internals.  I have had a life long hate toward small tinny sounding speakers.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on May 27, 2008, 11:04:21 PM
Does anyone know how (or if you can) to turn of the internal speakers?  Every once in a while I like to listen in the car or from home using the line out and the internals are blaring the whole time.  It's really annoying unless the stereo is up really loud so that it overpowers the tiny internals.  I have had a life long hate toward small tinny sounding speakers.

In output mode you can choose between line out, or speaker/head phones (sp/hp) or both.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on May 28, 2008, 08:40:50 AM
Does anyone know how (or if you can) to turn of the internal speakers?  Every once in a while I like to listen in the car or from home using the line out and the internals are blaring the whole time.  It's really annoying unless the stereo is up really loud so that it overpowers the tiny internals.  I have had a life long hate toward small tinny sounding speakers.

In output mode you can choose between line out, or speaker/head phones (sp/hp) or both.

nice! does line out cut out the volume nob too? 
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on May 28, 2008, 09:57:43 AM
nice! does line out cut out the volume nob too? 

Yes.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on May 28, 2008, 10:10:11 AM
thanks tfs +T.  Now go brew me some beer!
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on June 08, 2008, 05:16:52 AM
Pad on+external=no problem
You got it. :)

Just to be on the safe side, I stopped using the pad on my mics and the very limited hpf
thinking those may draw extra power... no science in that, tho... :)

Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on June 17, 2008, 01:11:51 AM
Ok. so I had another power outage, this time I think that the rechargeables just were finished.  Fully recharged before the show and went dead in the 2nd song.  I tried to power back up after the show and it went up for about 5 seconds and then went dead.  I used 4 AA batteries at home and the deck is fine.

So, at this point I'm pretty sure I'm going to just get an external battery to prevent any further issues.
I just tested one of my standard ESA DVD batteries that I use for my mini-me and it powered up the 660.  But reading through this topic, it seems like this might not be the right voltage (oops).  Any advice for an externally-powered-660 noob?

Thanks.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on June 17, 2008, 12:22:26 PM
I have had terrible luck with alkaline batteries and just recently my 2500mah nimh's have been crapping out.  I decided I would give AA's one more try before going to the external solutions.  I bought the LaCross charger and reconditioned all of my batteries.  On a pair of Sanyo 2700 nimh I got almost 8 hours out of the pmd660 before it shut sown....
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on June 17, 2008, 07:56:05 PM
Any advice for an externally-powered-660 noob?

Thanks.

Should be what you are looking for here........

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,61053.0/all.html
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on June 17, 2008, 10:00:33 PM
I like this one.

http://salestores.com/tekkeonm.html

No problems,other than the guy who kicked the cord out of the tip before I was able to save the file. A little gaffers tape for security since.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on June 18, 2008, 12:09:13 AM
Egads, that's $100 with shipping. 
My question is whether one of these ESA DVD Batteries (the "Walmart" type) that I use to power the Mini-Me will work with the 660.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: dennisrtyler on June 18, 2008, 12:10:39 AM
Egads, that's $100 with shipping. 
My question is whether one of these ESA DVD Batteries (the "Walmart" type) that I use to power the Mini-Me will work with the 660.
only if it has a 5v setting ;)
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on June 18, 2008, 12:44:17 AM
Thanks.

My external battery for the MT 24/96 is a 5v Macally battery:
http://www.amazon.com/MACALLY-External-Battery-all-iPods/dp/B000CGG8LW

Except that the connection to the device is a usb cable, which doesn't work with the 660. ::)
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: jacobmyers on June 28, 2008, 06:41:19 AM
 I got my Songcatcher PMD660 yesterday. All I can say is: Oh. My. Gawd. What the hell was I thinking even considering buying another f-ing MiniDisc recorder? This thing just plain rocks! It took me all of ten minutes to set it up the way I want it (I'd read the manual before in PDF before I even placed the order) and actually recording with it is a one-touch affair (or two touches if you choose to use the pre-record buffer).

 It took one "run" (record, dump CF to computer, open WAV in Audacity) to figure out that I need to run with some headroom (the meters are dead on - the "clips" are really clipping). Still sounded pretty good. The first recording was just a band rehearsal so not a big deal. But then I took it out on the town.

 The community college had its Juneteenth celebration/concert last night. So I went there without changing the battery (Sanyo 2000 mAH Eneloop cells fresh from the package - factory charged). Rehearsal was more than two hours and I got a little over an hour of recording (the machine was on for longer than that) on the remainder of the charge. It should be noted that I was supplying +48 VDC to the NT4. When the battery ran out, I didn't even notice. I had the cans off and was busy watching the band. When I looked down, it was dead. The last time I'd looked, the battery meter read "full" (and yes, it's set on NiMH in the menu).

 I swapped the battery and recorded for almost two hours straight. Then I played back half an hour or so in the car. Track splits are inaudible. Still reading a "full" battery. When I got home, I popped the card into the reader (still haven't used the 660's USB capability). With the levels (rarely) peaking at -2dB and sitting mostly in the green, the recording is crystal clear and plenty loud enough (though the 660's headphone amp is a little weak to drive my cans well). It really has to be heard to be believed. I haven't heard sound this good out of anything that wasn't 24 bit (or analog - but that's a different flavor). I put the card back into the 660 to format it (unit was displaying half battery at this point) and left the machine on. The battery died (with the beeping warning) a few minutes after formatting the card.

 I now completely understand see why Oade Brothers Audio recommends the PMD660 so highly. I have a ~6 hour gig tomorrow and I'm not even sweating it. I have a 4GB card, two Eleloop batteries and some 2700 mAH cells that came with my BC900 (charger). I'm thinking that an external battery for longer shows (especially if I'm running +48) is not at all a bad idea, though, and I'll be looking in to that. I'll do my best to get some rig pictures up next week (my weekend's booked solid).
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on June 28, 2008, 11:47:17 AM
Congrats jacob.
This has been been called the best 16 bit all in one box
by many people on ts.
I would definitely get an external batt.
I use an external and always have a fresh set of E2 lithiums in the battery sled.
The best part is that when the external runs out it will switch over to the internals without
skipping a beat.

I love this fucking box. I have the busman mod.
What are you running for mics?

+t
-todd
EDIT:
Just saw the NT-4
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: jacobmyers on June 30, 2008, 03:38:36 AM
Thanks, Todd.

 I can totally see why people would have the opinion that this is "the best" all-in-one 16-bit box. I tend to agree (which is, of course, why I bought it). It has everything I need (and more) and even a few things that I don't strictly "need" (the editing features, for instance, as I do my editing on the computer.

 I used it yesterday at BrunoFest (an annual local/regional free music fest) and pulled a little about three hours of music (the recorder was on for about six hours). I used the 2700 mAH battery (LaCrosse) for most of it but changed to a set of Eneloop for the last set (even though the meter still read full) because I didn't want to risk running out. I only used the 660's phantom for a few of the sets (and the difference between NT4's internal battery and +48 VDC is certainly audible).

 I got quite a few rig pictures and some video of my home-made windscreen and shockmount for the NT4. I'll post some pics as soon as I get back to the other computer. I'm really glad that I had the windscreen - there were gusts in excess of 20 MPH (and probably closer to 30 MPH, truth be known). The foam/"fur" screen (on top of the stock foam) completely blocked all but the strongest gusts.

 I haven't listened to the audio on a "real" playback system but I plugged the USB CF adapter into the laptop (with external "PC speakers" attached - more useful as a headphone amp for my Frankenphones). I'm pleasantly surprised by the sound and the performance of the windscreen. The preamps are as good or better than any I've heard (which, believe it or not, is high praise). The foam section of the windscreen needs some work (and I may end up replacing the inefficiently blocky stock foam) but the wind is reduced to a breathy low-frequency rumble (and is actually way quieter than being there).
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on July 17, 2008, 07:10:46 PM
Bump.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: su6oxone on July 17, 2008, 08:03:32 PM
Bump.


Anyone know when/if the (hopefully, 24-bit and smaller with better battery life!) succesor of the PMD 660 will be coming out?  I am interested in an all-in-one box that is not too large (e.g. FR2LE) but would want 24-bit and a bit stealthier size and at least 3-4 hours battery life on NiMH batteries. 
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: flintstone on July 18, 2008, 09:08:40 AM
I think it's called the PMD620  :)

Flintstone
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: jacobmyers on July 22, 2008, 09:46:39 AM
Rig pictures:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,106495.0.html (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,106495.0.html)
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on August 08, 2008, 12:10:22 PM
has anyone noticed that this thread is not in the team boards...  I always struggle when I search for it until I search in all categories instead of the team board.

anyway, that is not why I am here right now.  Does anyone know the max voltage you can feed the 660?  I was thinking about using one of my dvd batteries but it is a fixed 9v.  just wanted to know if I should build a cable with a step down in it or if 9v would be fine.  never a good idea to fry the gear you know...
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on August 08, 2008, 12:14:31 PM
I tried the Wall Mart 9v battery.  It worked for a little while and in fact I recorded a short (30 min) set with it in the field with a 2GB card.  However, on another date when I tried a 4GB card and let it run, it seized after about 10 minutes.  End of 9v use, but fortunately no permanent damage to the deck.  I'm back with a new set of rechargeable AAs.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on August 08, 2008, 12:16:33 PM
LaCross Charger + Sanyo 2700 AA's =  :headphones:
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on August 08, 2008, 12:27:17 PM
thanks for the info.  looks like I will stick with my power runner.  T's
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: edtyre on August 13, 2008, 06:41:50 PM
Just bought the busman mod 660 in the yard sale!
I have a Lexar Platinum II 4GB and a very small powerful
external batt pack i use for my Korg MR-1. What else do i need?
Any other concerns?

Going to try to run this with DPA 4023's and Schoeps CCM41's
until i can get a hold of an Aerco pre. (anybody selling one)

24 bit is overrated  8) 

Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on August 13, 2008, 07:55:07 PM
Just bought the busman mod 660 in the yard sale!
I have a Lexar Platinum II 4GB and a very small powerful
external batt pack i use for my Korg MR-1. What else do i need?
Any other concerns?

Going to try to run this with DPA 4023's and Schoeps CCM41's
until i can get a hold of an Aerco pre. (anybody selling one)

24 bit is overrated  8) 



I was going to say microphones, but I guess you got those. :P
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on August 13, 2008, 08:12:41 PM
Just bought the busman mod 660 in the yard sale!
I have a Lexar Platinum II 4GB and a very small powerful
external batt pack i use for my Korg MR-1. What else do i need?
Any other concerns?

Going to try to run this with DPA 4023's and Schoeps CCM41's
until i can get a hold of an Aerco pre. (anybody selling one)

24 bit is overrated  8) 

a show to tape?
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: edtyre on August 13, 2008, 08:23:11 PM
a show to tape?

Thats not going to be a problem, i get out in the field pretty often
http://www.dimeadozen.org/account-details.php?id=8357
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: dennisrtyler on August 13, 2008, 09:30:20 PM
Just bought the busman mod 660 in the yard sale!
I have a Lexar Platinum II 4GB and a very small powerful
external batt pack i use for my Korg MR-1. What else do i need?
Any other concerns?

Going to try to run this with DPA 4023's and Schoeps CCM41's
until i can get a hold of an Aerco pre. (anybody selling one)

24 bit is overrated  8) 


you won't need the external batt pack for a single show. i used to get ~7 hours from a set of e2 lithiums. good rechargeable batts should yield you at least 4, maybe 5 hours. i'm just saying, why carry around a batt pack, however small it is, if you don't have to?
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on August 14, 2008, 07:12:42 PM
I use externals because of the faulty internal battery sled contacts.
Also if you read this thread, once others started using externals and lexar cards there were no problems what so ever, whereas thay had powering issues from using internals.

I am one of the few others who have a busman mod 660.
I think there is only a handfull of us.
I love this box more than my wifes.

Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: nem on August 16, 2008, 09:05:58 PM
no problems with batteries but my scandisk 4gb cf cards no longer hold 6:28 in 16/44, one card says 4 hrs and another says 2:50.

any links to a thread that covers this weirdness?
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on August 16, 2008, 09:12:19 PM
no problems with batteries but my scandisk 4gb cf cards no longer hold 6:28 in 16/44, one card says 4 hrs and another says 2:50.

any links to a thread that covers this weirdness?
It's recommended that people use Lexar cards.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on August 16, 2008, 10:41:52 PM
no problems with batteries but my scandisk 4gb cf cards no longer hold 6:28 in 16/44, one card says 4 hrs and another says 2:50.

any links to a thread that covers this weirdness?
It's recommended that people use Lexar cards.


I have no problem with Lexar, PNY or Viking cards.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on August 16, 2008, 10:47:40 PM
no problems with batteries but my scandisk 4gb cf cards no longer hold 6:28 in 16/44, one card says 4 hrs and another says 2:50.

any links to a thread that covers this weirdness?
It's recommended that people use Lexar cards.


I have no problem with Lexar, PNY or Viking cards.
That's good to know because a few people were having problems in this thread until
they switched to the Lexars.
Thanks
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on August 16, 2008, 10:49:11 PM
no problems with batteries but my scandisk 4gb cf cards no longer hold 6:28 in 16/44, one card says 4 hrs and another says 2:50.

any links to a thread that covers this weirdness?
Also I should've asked if you've formatted it?
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: nem on August 17, 2008, 06:05:50 AM
so I'm a dooftard and rolled this whole time with scandisk. and I even remember the thread talking about the lexar and pny cards (now I remember)

will format when I get it out again as well, I are slow often.

thanks all
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on August 17, 2008, 06:02:34 PM
so I'm a dooftard and rolled this whole time with scandisk. and I even remember the thread talking about the lexar and pny cards (now I remember)

will format when I get it out again as well, I are slow often.

thanks all
;D
Welcome aboard nem
+t
-todd
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: jacobmyers on September 04, 2008, 07:56:23 PM
no problems with batteries but my scandisk 4gb cf cards no longer hold 6:28 in 16/44, one card says 4 hrs and another says 2:50.

any links to a thread that covers this weirdness?

 You didn't mention the age of the cards but the "cells" which store the information do eventually "burn out" with use. This is normal and the CF interface should "ignore" the dead cells in the same way that the hard disks of your computer ignore bad/damaged disk sectors. As the cells "die", it'd make sense that there would be a corresponding reduction in capacity.

 But the typical "guaranteed" life is 100,000 write cycles before failure (or one per day for almost 274 years). High-quality cells can withstand over a million writes. In other words; if the card lives up to CF specifications, it should last quite a bit longer than the owner. If it's doesn't, that means that something is wrong with the card. There have been numerous reports of counterfeit SanDisk cards being sold on eBay (and elsewhere). If your card isn't counterfeit, Sandisk's warranty is five years. I'd suggest taking advantage of it if you can. Lexar's warranty is "lifetime" and, frankly, that alone is worth any reasonable addition to up-front cost.

 Similar to Marantz's own implicit and explicit advice, I suggest that you use Lexar CF cards with the PMD660. The only caution: Marantz told me that Lexar's new UDMA CF cards will NOT work in the PMD660 (one can presume that it's an interface issue and that other UDMA cards won't work either). That sort of bandwidth is unnecessary, in any case, for recording 16 bit audio or, one might argue, for USB 1.0 (and even USB 2.0) transfers. And the UDMA cards are ridiculously expensive at the moment. Anyway...

 My PMD660 shipped with a 512MB Lexar Platinum II card (80X speed). I take that as a statement from Marantz that the two products play nicely together. I decided to go whole-hog with my "workhorse" card and bought an 8GB Platinum II from Adorama (the only e-tailer who had them in stock at the time). To save you from doing the math; that amounts to just over 12.5 hours of recording time. WAV does have a 4GB size limit (because of the size of the file header) but, honestly, I haven't used more than 6GB of memory at any one show (all-day events with multiple performances).

Anyway; Lexar, Lexar, Lexar. Have a lucky day!
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on September 11, 2008, 10:02:01 AM
Well team, I am dreaming in four channels recently so I am trying to move my trusty 660.  Oade ACM mod Like new condition.  Never had a single problem with it.  Like new condition.  Purchased new from Oade.  Includes a 4 gig card, all original extras, cords, manual, box... etc

Looking for as much as I can get over $500.  I will take $550 shipped and eat any fees.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on September 21, 2008, 08:16:47 PM
Anyone take a SBD patch into this beast yet?
How to???????????????
I imagine mic in but it would be a mono patch right?
Thanks.
-todd
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: danlynch on September 21, 2008, 09:23:14 PM
Anyone take a SBD patch into this beast yet?
How to???????????????
I imagine mic in but it would be a mono patch right?
Thanks.
-todd

This isn't really the box for a patch.  The only setup I can figure is an RCA > Mini (line-in).  But even with that configuration, you have to re-program the input from MIC to LINE.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on September 26, 2008, 05:54:28 PM
Thanks dan.

Has anyone ever run a pre into theirs?
This weekend I might run mk4's~> sax~> Busman 660.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on September 30, 2008, 09:39:54 AM
Anyone take a SBD patch into this beast yet?
How to???????????????
I imagine mic in but it would be a mono patch right?
Thanks.
-todd

This isn't really the box for a patch.  The only setup I can figure is an RCA > Mini (line-in).  But even with that configuration, you have to re-program the input from MIC to LINE.


I have the Oade ACM so no line in.  I've done XLR soundboard feed a number of times.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Jamie on October 18, 2008, 08:38:15 AM
I'm using an ACM 660.
I ran a line-in sbd feed a couple of times with mixed results.  I pulled a Doc Watson show in Todd, NC and it sounds pretty good (XLR out of the board).  But I also taped a local bluegrass fetsival (rca out) and was forced to run very low levels so as not to distort (after a couple of ruined recordings at "normal" levels).  I thought about using the XLR ins on the unit, but those are mic-in connections, so I figured that was a no-go. 
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on October 18, 2008, 10:35:08 AM
I'm using an ACM 660.
I ran a line-in sbd feed a couple of times with mixed results.  I pulled a Doc Watson show in Todd, NC and it sounds pretty good (XLR out of the board).  But I also taped a local bluegrass fetsival (rca out) and was forced to run very low levels so as not to distort (after a couple of ruined recordings at "normal" levels).  I thought about using the XLR ins on the unit, but those are mic-in connections, so I figured that was a no-go. 

If it is distorting at "normal levels" than sounds to me like the signal was too hot from the board.  That is no fault of the Marantz.  As far as the ACM goes, the xlr input is able to handle line level sources with the pad engaged.  BTW, do you really have an ACM, not a song catcher?  The ACM has the line input bypassed....
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on October 18, 2008, 01:47:21 PM
No line-in on the ACM.

Yes the SBD feed was too high if you had problems.  Make sure when you run the XLR from a SBD to turn your phantom power off!!!!
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Jamie on October 19, 2008, 09:45:33 AM
thanks for the info...good to know. I bought the unit used from a member on this board and it was advertised as an ACM, but the line-in is still functional.  It was actually a selling point as this mod is no longer offered.  Can you tell me the difference between the two mods (besides the inactive line-in)?
Jamie
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on October 19, 2008, 07:41:01 PM
In the past, Oade did keep the line-in intact on some ACM's by customer request.    The ACM with line-input is now called the "song catcher"...
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on October 20, 2008, 09:31:17 PM
No line-in on the ACM.

Yes the SBD feed was too high if you had problems.  Make sure when you run the XLR from a SBD to turn your phantom power off!!!!

QFT. Realized after the first xlr soundboard that I had left the phantom on.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Gr8ful98 on November 04, 2008, 04:17:13 PM
I'm hoping to pick up a 660 from the yard sale on Friday (when I get paid),  after reading all these posts I'm stoked to try it out!!!  Gunna run AKG481's, how should this sound?

Also...I'm gunna get an external 5v battery, here's one I found online:
http://www.batterygeek.net/GeekPod_100_White_100_Hour_iPod_Battery_p/geekpod_100_white.htm

Or with any of the other external battery packs that have been posted in this thread...my questions is: what tips or cable do I use to go from the battery pack to the 660?
after investing in a battery & this box, I'd hate to fry it or lose a recording because of improper connection between my external batt & the 660.

I'm no electrical engineer, so esplain it to me like I'm in 3rd grade & maybe provide a link for an exerntal battery & cable/tip/adapter that would work with this box. 

Thanks Y'all
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on November 04, 2008, 08:47:15 PM
Welcome.

AKG's + Modded 660 is bomb.
If you take some of the links in this thread to external batteries,
 they will have the cables and tips included.

I use this and get 5+hrs of taping. http://www.bixnet.com/5v7libapa.html
Perfect for me as I don't do any festivals/jamband jive.

I was thinking of getting a tekkeon http://www.geekbro.com/index.cfm/hurl/page=product/itemid=720048?source=GoogleBase

or Tekkeon
http://www.geekbro.com/index.cfm/hurl/page=product/catidList=0/itemid=719925/Tekkeon-Mp3450-Mypower-All-Plus-Rechargeable-Battery


I was thinking of the other Tekkeon options because of selective voltage.
This could come in handy down the line.
-todd
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Gr8ful98 on November 05, 2008, 11:51:40 AM
Sweet!  Thanks...I'll keep y'all posted.  If I don't score the ACM 660 used, I'll probably get the "Song Catcher" mod direct from OADE.  The UA5>JB3 combo has been good to me, but after reading all these posts...I'm stoked about using the moded 660.  I can't believe how small this thing is & what it's capable of.

Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: jacobmyers on November 10, 2008, 09:43:35 AM
I'm quite pleased by my Songcatcher PMD660. It makes great-sounding recordings of whatever I point it at (using a RODE NT4). At least they're good enough for my ears. I recorded the soundtrack to "my" recently-released movie (I play the starring role) with the NT4 > 660 and the director/producer did a little tweaking in post and it sounds incredible. Check it out at http://www.philosophersstone.org (http://www.philosophersstone.org) if you want to. The music is "sludge metal" mixed with "noise rock" and was all improvised. Anyway...

I <3 my PMD660!
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: run_run_run on November 23, 2008, 12:29:11 PM
Jesus Christ I am tracking a Brew tape Krispy D did and the Oade ACM Marantz PMD 660 can run very hot and click pretty gracefully. 
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on November 23, 2008, 01:03:05 PM
Jesus Christ I am tracking a Brew tape Krispy D did and the Oade ACM Marantz PMD 660 can run very hot and click pretty gracefully. 
That second set was way to hot!  sorry about that.  the good news is that little box can clip with very little distortion!
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on November 23, 2008, 01:04:37 PM
how many hands has that tape gone through now?  I thought I gave it to Joe to finish...  Hmmm...  How many tapers does it take to track a brew show?
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: run_run_run on November 23, 2008, 01:36:51 PM
how many hands has that tape gone through now?  I thought I gave it to Joe to finish...  Hmmm...  How many tapers does it take to track a brew show?
lol he outsourced it
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: indianajambash2006 on December 01, 2008, 03:18:23 PM
I have a Busman T-Mod 660 and my setup looks like this:
 
Neumann SKM 184 > Canare Xlr's > Busman T-Mod Marrantz PMD 660

.... I've owned this box for a little over a year and got the mod about exactly a year ago... well anyway... I have noticed that i almost always have to use the -20db attenuation pad while recording...but when i go to a show that is a) either unplugged acoustic music or b) i am forced to record from the back of the room i have to turn the  attenuator off and in doing so the mics overdrive at even just clapping...and if i leave the attenuator on then the levels are way low unless you turn the levels way up which causes hiss? any suggestions?


P.S. to the questions above about batteries i would use the tekkon a little big but it is ready to go out of the package and it will last for 8 + hours of recording with the phantom power on and running to the 184's
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: spcyrfc on December 01, 2008, 03:33:17 PM
I have a Busman T-Mod 660 and my setup looks like this:
 
Neumann SKM 184 > Canare Xlr's > Busman T-Mod Marrantz PMD 660

.... I've owned this box for a little over a year and got the mod about exactly a year ago... well anyway... I have noticed that i almost always have to use the -20db attenuation pad while recording...but when i go to a show that is a) either unplugged acoustic music or b) i am forced to record from the back of the room i have to turn the  attenuator off and in doing so the mics overdrive at even just clapping...and if i leave the attenuator on then the levels are way low unless you turn the levels way up which causes hiss? any suggestions?


P.S. to the questions above about batteries i would use the tekkon a little big but it is ready to go out of the package and it will last for 8 + hours of recording with the phantom power on and running to the 184's

i had this same problem with the oade songcatcher 660.  after switching to the fr2le (wmod) i nolonger had the problem. a pre in front would fix the problem, but then there goes your all in one box.  i imagine that the 661 will not have this problem due to extra headroom allowed by 24bit. i could be mistaken.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on December 01, 2008, 06:51:19 PM
Never had this problem.
I have a busman mod box too.
I've recorded unamped music too with no problems.

You should e-mail or pm chris.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on December 01, 2008, 07:02:08 PM
sounds like they are describing a "missing" area of the gain range, between the pad being engaged and not.

I am not sure, but I think my 660 isnt like this.   When the pad is off and the level knob is at minimum, it is the same as when the pad is on and the gain is cranked....

Anyone wanna test their 660?

 :)
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on December 01, 2008, 07:05:57 PM
I have never had to go past noon on my gain.
Quiet or amplified shows.
Always with the pad on too.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: spcyrfc on December 01, 2008, 07:28:55 PM
here is the situation where i most often encountered the problem...

recording stage lip

 
      b
C         g
      x

clarinet, bass and guitar x marks the mics.
with the -20db pad on, i was getting 1-2 orange lights with the gain to 10 (maybe thats enough, maybe not, i wanted more).  i flipped off the pad and turned down to 5 and the peaks were very close to clipping, clipping sometimes as well.
interested to hear others have not had that exp.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on December 01, 2008, 07:57:51 PM
here is the situation where i most often encountered the problem...

recording stage lip

 
      b
C         g
      x

clarinet, bass and guitar x marks the mics.
with the -20db pad on, i was getting 1-2 orange lights with the gain to 10 (maybe thats enough, maybe not, i wanted more).  i flipped off the pad and turned down to 5 and the peaks were very close to clipping, clipping sometimes as well.
interested to hear others have not had that exp.
Gain to 10?
Ten O'clock?
That's the unity gain which is not much.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: spcyrfc on December 01, 2008, 09:23:21 PM
TEN as in eleven in a british accent.

all the way up on the pmd660
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on December 02, 2008, 08:09:25 PM
TEN as in eleven in a british accent.

all the way up on the pmd660

:lol:

Still really weird IMO, especially the fact you were at stage lip.
I wish I had an answer for that.
The one time I ran without the pad, my first time out, I bricked at 6db.

No on-stage monitors I take it?
Bad mod perhaps?
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: indianajambash2006 on December 03, 2008, 10:15:25 AM
i too have had problems recording stage lip.... i ran with the pad and was not even getting past the green lights with the nob turned to about 12 - 1 'oclock turned the pad off and moved back to maybe  8 ' oclock or so and the peaks are close or do clip?  I might send an email over to chris and see if he has any suggestions!


Other than this problem with quiet sources... I LOVE MY BUSMAN MOD 660!
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on December 03, 2008, 11:12:31 AM
my stage lip tapes smoke.  even with acoustic music.  Mines not a busman mod though...  Good luck.  curious to see how this unfolds.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on December 03, 2008, 12:14:33 PM

my stage lip tapes smoke.  even with acoustic music.  Mines not a busman mod though...  Good luck.  curious to see how this unfolds.
Maybe just a couple of troubled mods?

One was a Oade song catcher and one busman.

Love my busman mod never had a problem.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on December 03, 2008, 12:17:37 PM

my stage lip tapes smoke.  even with acoustic music.  Mines not a busman mod though...  Good luck.  curious to see how this unfolds.
Maybe just a couple of troubled mods?

I hope so, I would hate to see a real problem with an otherwise great box!  I was not knocking the busmod btw, just pointing out that mine had no issues.  I have heard plenty of great busman mod 660 tapes to know better...

Hope this works out for everybody.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on December 03, 2008, 12:25:55 PM

my stage lip tapes smoke.  even with acoustic music.  Mines not a busman mod though...  Good luck.  curious to see how this unfolds.
Maybe just a couple of troubled mods?

I hope so, I would hate to see a real problem with an otherwise great box!  I was not knocking the busmod btw, just pointing out that mine had no issues.  I have heard plenty of great busman mod 660 tapes to know better...

Hope this works out for everybody.
Definitely realized that you weren't knocking it.
Just weird in general.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: DATPAT on December 08, 2008, 12:01:02 AM
Howdy all,
New to the Team. I just bought a stock 660 for stealth recording to augment my other recorder which is a R-4. After discovering so many issues with the mic pre I kind of wish I would have waited a couple of months for the 661 but I didn't. Does anyone know if Marantz has made any adjustments on the latest releases? The reason i ask is because I don't really want to spend the money on a Mod if I am going to get a 661 early next year.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: stevetoney on December 08, 2008, 04:13:45 AM
Howdy all,
New to the Team. I just bought a stock 660 for stealth recording to augment my other recorder which is a R-4. After discovering so many issues with the mic pre I kind of wish I would have waited a couple of months for the 661 but I didn't. Does anyone know if Marantz has made any adjustments on the latest releases? The reason i ask is because I don't really want to spend the money on a Mod if I am going to get a 661 early next year.

Not sure what you mean by 'issues with the mic pre'.  It's pretty standard amongst music and nature recordists that a stock recorder gets a mod for lower noise, better sounding preamps, so the 660 is no exception there.  From personal experience, the Busman 660 mod is an excellent modification that makes the sound of that box significantly better than the stock version by a MILE...so for my own tastes, the mod was well worth $160.  I've already said it before, it's one of the best sounding recorder mods in the business, in my mind.

Also, I know the 661 is smaller than the 660, but I'm not sure why peeps consider the 660 all that unstealthable.  It's plenty small enough and with the 661 having the meter on the top instead of the side (not to mention the unrecessed volume control knob), I think that's gonna cause stealthing problems anyway that you wouldn't have with a stashed 660.  Taboot, the 661's probably gonna need a mod too.  No doubt 24 bit on the 661 is cool though.

Having said that, I can't say that I know if the 660 guts have been improved.  You'd probably be best judge anyway to run it for a show and see if your ears are satisfied with the results.

As usual, all my own opinions and just trying to provide some objectiveness based on those opinions...without try to bash anything or anyone.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: datbrad on December 08, 2008, 10:54:44 AM
Howdy all,
New to the Team. I just bought a stock 660 for stealth recording to augment my other recorder which is a R-4. After discovering so many issues with the mic pre I kind of wish I would have waited a couple of months for the 661 but I didn't. Does anyone know if Marantz has made any adjustments on the latest releases? The reason i ask is because I don't really want to spend the money on a Mod if I am going to get a 661 early next year.

Not sure what you mean by 'issues with the mic pre'.  It's pretty standard amongst music and nature recordists that a stock recorder gets a mod for lower noise, better sounding preamps, so the 660 is no exception there.  From personal experience, the Busman 660 mod is an excellent modification that makes the sound of that box significantly better than the stock version by a MILE...so for my own tastes, the mod was well worth $160.  I've already said it before, it's one of the best sounding recorder mods in the business, in my mind.

Also, I know the 661 is smaller than the 660, but I'm not sure why peeps consider the 660 all that unstealthable.  It's plenty small enough and with the 661 having the meter on the top instead of the side (not to mention the unrecessed volume control knob), I think that's gonna cause stealthing problems anyway that you wouldn't have with a stashed 660.  Taboot, the 661's probably gonna need a mod too.  No doubt 24 bit on the 661 is cool though.

Having said that, I can't say that I know if the 660 guts have been improved.  You'd probably be best judge anyway to run it for a show and see if your ears are satisfied with the results.

As usual, all my own opinions and just trying to provide some objectiveness based on those opinions...without try to bash anything or anyone.

Steve, I read in the 661 thread where you describe the meters on the 660 vs 661 in terms of "top" and "side" and I think one could say they are both on the end, just with the 661 it's mostly on the top, but does have a slight pitch. From the photos, it seems that viewing the 661 from the end, with only a slight angle, the LED meters will still be visible from the end view. Can't wait to hear how this new unit sounds, regardless of the design changes.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: stevetoney on December 08, 2008, 11:03:02 AM

Steve, I read in the 661 thread where you describe the meters on the 660 vs 661 in terms of "top" and "side" and I think one could say they are both on the end, just with the 661 it's mostly on the top, but does have a slight pitch. From the photos, it seems that viewing the 661 from the end, with only a slight angle, the LED meters will still be visible from the end view. Can't wait to hear how this new unit sounds, regardless of the design changes.

Could be Brad.  Maybe that pitch will be even better so you can see from both top and side...
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on December 08, 2008, 11:09:51 AM
Quote
Could be Brad.  Maybe that pitch will be even better so you can see from both top and side...

I am no product delvelopment guy, but this seems fairly obvious....
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: stevetoney on December 08, 2008, 11:27:33 AM
Quote
Could be Brad.  Maybe that pitch will be even better so you can see from both top and side...

I am no product delvelopment guy, but this seems fairly obvious....

Well Murph, if you can tell from these pictures that it's fairly obvious that you can read that meter from the end, then you're seeing more than I am!   ;D

Really though, it's not an issue.  I just like the side meter a little better.

(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p265/stevetoney/PMD661_front_thumb.jpg)
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p265/stevetoney/PMD661.jpg)
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on December 08, 2008, 11:57:02 AM
hmm,  you have a point..   my memory was pictuing more of  a 45degree angle to that meter panel.   now looking at the pictures it doesn't seem as "obvious" that you would be able to see it from the top......

I am with you on the level knob too...  it isn't as stealth freindly as the 660.

What is the deal with the 1/4" headphone jack too?  These little recorders don't have nearly enough juice to power a full sized headphone to proper levels...  The level output on these headphone amps is more suitable for ipod style earbuds, that always use a 1/8"....  The 1/4" might look more professional, but it isn't functional.  It is like putting a GT sticker on a stock mustang...
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: fp on January 31, 2009, 01:02:33 PM
Hi guys !
i'm a proud new owner of a PMD660 (busman mod).
Have to make some tests and i accept all advices and tips from the "older" users (recording level, batteries, PMD menu settings, ...).

You can PM me or post here (will read all the topic, be sure !!).
Thanx
fp

PS : Will use it with my AT831 (1/8 plug) that i'm satisfied with ... perhaps i will buy a cable to go via the XLR or modded them .... i'm mostly stealth and used to record with a NJB3.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on January 31, 2009, 01:09:13 PM
Hi guys !
i'm a proud new owner of a PMD660 (busman mod).
Have to make some tests and i accept all advices and tips from the "older" users (recording level, batteries, PMD menu settings, ...).

You can PM me or post here (will read all the topic, be sure !!).
Thanx
fp

PS : Will use it with my AT831 (1/8 plug) that i'm satisfied with ... perhaps i will buy a cable to go via the XLR or modded them .... i'm mostly stealth and used to record with a NJB3.

http://www.naiant.com/studiostore/cleverdevices.html

scroll down to the PFA.   THis is what you will need for the AT831.....
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on January 31, 2009, 05:57:21 PM
Welcome aboard!

I also have one of the very few busman mods and love it.
If you decide to run it hot and it clips it does so with exceptional grace where it's inaudible.
If you run it cool (I do around 6) you can raise it in post without the noise even being an issue.

Best all in one 16 bit around, the busman/oade boxes are.
A lot of battery and cf card solutions in this thread.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: tfs8271 on February 07, 2009, 11:03:15 AM
tips from the "older" users (recording level, batteries, PMD menu settings, ...).

(pad on with manual adjusted levels, http://www.batterybarn.com/pr2310.htm , preset - 1 is for all concerts and goes like this... input - mic, output - line, date/time - just that, rec format - pcm-44.1K, recchannel - stereo, Prerecord - ON, Manual Trk - OFF, Auto Trk - OFF, Auto Mark - OFF, Silent Skip - OFF, Level Control - Manual, Meter Mode - Normal (with battery pack - peak only when using AAs), Mike Atten. - -20dB, AutoPowerOff - ON, Battery - (which ever your using), Beep - OFF, Machine ID - (performers name), Default - NO, Version - ?)

I set Preset -2 for the same with no pad but hardly use it, Preset - 3 is for mp3 recording for stuff around the house (kids, frogs, birds etc.)

I found this battery pack to be great for use.

I have had batteries in the recorder and still used the battery pack.  I was recording an outdoor show that they shut me down.  So I powered down, unplugged the pack, showed security that I removed the battery pack and placed it on the blanket for them to see during the show, as I put the recorder away in my pack I hit on, record and shift-lock to get a nice recording of Richard Thompson.

Make sure you use the Shift-Lock, function it comes in handy.

Enjoy
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: krsb on February 09, 2009, 03:58:46 PM
re: shift-lock

I wish I had kept this in mind on Saturday night as I lost the first set of a show.

I still haven't quite figured out where things went wrong, but the only thing I didn't do that I amost always do was: Shift Lock. 

Arrived the venue late, rushed to get a spot, lights go out, hit record pause, hit record (I think) check levels, check red record light is solid (I think) groove to a sweet first set of a wicked show (Les Cowboys Fringants) hit stop (I think...no, I know) at the set break, check gear, start recording way before second set starts and hit: shift-lock!

Get home, first set is 6secs of applause and then nada.  :( Second set is fine...and fine sounding for a boomy room. First time out with new hat too.

Lesson: start recording early...hit shift-lock!


(still sad)  cb


tips from the "older" users (recording level, batteries, PMD menu settings, ...).

Make sure you use the Shift-Lock, function it comes in handy.

Enjoy
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: paulbaptiste on February 11, 2009, 05:20:44 PM
New Busman 660 owner here.  Just been playing around with it at the house.  Anybody run any mics w/o the pad? I have some naks that are naturally pretty quiet, was curious if there is any experience amongst the team here, any negative effects not using the pad (noise)?.

Thanks

Nick
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on February 11, 2009, 05:24:12 PM
New Busman 660 owner here.  Just been playing around with it at the house.  Anybody run any mics w/o the pad? I have some naks that are naturally pretty quiet, was curious if there is any experience amongst the team here, any negative effects not using the pad (noise)?.

Thanks

Nick

I have.  but then you end up running the gain at like 8 or 9 o'clock.  I have much better results at 2 o'clock.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on February 11, 2009, 05:52:00 PM
Use the pad or you'll brickwall.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on February 18, 2009, 02:32:09 PM
Well,
had some bad luck last night.
Nothing bad per se.

My output pin on my external batt disconnected while I was running at mmw in NYC.
It happened during the second set.
There is a file on the cf but it reads 0bytes.
So I am guessing that it didn't save the data.

I tried opening it in soundforge and cd wav to save it but no go.
I also tried the header repair utility and it didn't work.
Trying a file recovery program right now.  :P  :'(
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on February 18, 2009, 05:41:55 PM
Problem solved!
I got a copy of Bad Copy Pro.
Ran it to save files on my cf card.
It located and saved the files.
I then had to run fixwav to correct the header.
Got most of the second set right up to where my recording stopped.
Now I'll have to join it with another source and whalla!
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Krispy D on March 04, 2009, 06:04:14 PM
anyone ever fed their 660 9v? just curious if I have to step down a 9v battery or if it was safe to run as is.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on August 23, 2009, 01:25:56 PM
Hai there bump.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: nickee on August 25, 2009, 11:22:59 AM
Did anyone really pin point the cause of the ticking noise some pmd660 owners have had? I've never really cared much earlier since it has been barely noticeable when recording normal amplified music but it's suddenly gotten a lot worse. Nothing have been changed so I guess that it could be my rechargeable batteries that have begun to crap out. Maybe I would be better of (noise wise) with an external power solution?
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: paulbaptiste on August 25, 2009, 12:41:41 PM
I also noticed that clicking noise on a quiet acoustic show, but never had heard of it being from the 660 itself, sounded almost like a cieling fan or something.

Anyway.


Does anybody know where to get the PMD Marker Edit software, i posted in the computer help forums and never heard anything.  I know there is software, somewhere, that if you put the markers in manually in a recording, like during playback, which i did, that i can pull them off in the same manner, track by track instead of retracking>  any help appreciated.  Thanks

Nick
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: nickee on August 25, 2009, 01:36:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVcnD-IphEg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVcnD-IphEg)

Here's an example of the sound. Hit the link above and skip to the end of the clip when they talk and tune their instruments. Very obvious.

I'll probably buy a new set of batteries and/or try to run ps2>pmd660 for a show.

I also noticed that clicking noise on a quiet acoustic show, but never had heard of it being from the 660 itself, sounded almost like a cieling fan or something.
Nick
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on August 25, 2009, 06:00:15 PM
Did anyone really pin point the cause of the ticking noise some pmd660 owners have had?
Never have had any ticking on any recording.
I use an external batt and Lexar cards.

Does anybody know where to get the PMD Marker Edit software, i posted in the computer help forums and never heard anything.  I know there is software, somewhere, that if you put the markers in manually in a recording, like during playback, which i did, that i can pull them off in the same manner, track by track instead of retracking>  any help appreciated.  Thanks
Nick
I have a PMD660 software disc that came with the machine
if that's what you're referring to.
Never have taken it out of the box.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: paulbaptiste on August 25, 2009, 09:34:08 PM
^ Is it possible to upload that anywhere?  I've looked all over marantz, and that other one D&M pro i think, can't find a link at all.  It'd be much appreciated. 

What external batteries are you using?  I just have 9v dvd batt's right now
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on August 26, 2009, 06:23:37 PM
Hi paul.
I'm using a tekkeon mp3450.
Have you run the 660 on 9 volts?
That is not suppose to be good from what I recall reading.
I'll grab the disc in a few.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: paulbaptiste on August 26, 2009, 07:21:20 PM
Cool, appreciate the help with the software.

No ii haven't run it off 9v's, was afraid to.  Sounds like i made a good decision. 
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on August 26, 2009, 08:25:15 PM
Hi again paul.
The cd with the 660 is just the manual  :-\.
However, I do believe there is no software needed for erasing track marks.
I have never tracked anything on the 660.
If you go into the menu function.
1) Hold Shift down + push Menu/Store it will bring you to a screen
where you can erase all manual track marks.

Here's a screenshot.:
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u46/newplanet7/tme.jpg)
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: paulbaptiste on August 27, 2009, 08:04:41 PM
In reading the manual is says the 660/661 is compatible with PMD EDL Marker Software, or something along those lines.  It's Marantz software that lets you pull off your "tracks" or marks as seperate wav files. 
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: newplanet7 on August 27, 2009, 08:20:17 PM
I guess I'm just not understanding what you did in manual tracking.
I tried to put marks in a minute ago on the 660 and it said they were put in
on the file but when I opened it in wavelab there were no marks?

Are you talking about having two or more files on a card
and joining those back together?
Could you explain how you put the marks/tracks in so I could simulate.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: intpseeker on August 27, 2009, 08:28:26 PM
^ Is it possible to upload that anywhere?  I've looked all over marantz, and that other one D&M pro i think, can't find a link at all.  It'd be much appreciated. 

What external batteries are you using?  I just have 9v dvd batt's right now

I use a Tekkeon at the 5v setting. I accidentally used a 9v dvd battery a few weeks ago and my 660 didn't like it.

 
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rockthing on September 15, 2009, 04:30:14 AM
Getting a Power Runner pretty much solved all my PMD660 annoyances.
Also, I rarely use the internal -20db pad anymore, relying mainly
on the attenuation on my mics, or just the input level controller.

I have been doing some quick and dirty recordings
with just the built-in mics and have been surprised
at how well they work. If there is no vibration
where the 660 is resting it works like a dream.


Speaking of which, I've just been posting some
things in Kickdown Central after not visiting the boards,
or at least not posting, in a quite a long time.

These are the PMD660 recordings fwiw
I also used the 660 to do a A/D transfer
of some cassette masters.

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,126938.0.html
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,126937.0.html
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,126935.0.html
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,126932.0.html
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,126931.0.html
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,126930.0.html

Of course, I have to believe that the flavour of the recordings
is more up to the mics than the box.
My 660 is stock. No mods. I've just learned to work with it.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: rastasean on April 17, 2010, 05:03:05 PM
I know the PMD 660 is quite old but it may surprise you that it still sells for $500 new on B&H.

(http://i41.tinypic.com/fdygyg.png)

I can buy a used one in very good condition for less than half ($240-260) of the new price locally. Of course it is not oade modded but I don't necessarily care for that.

If you saw a pmd 660 for this price in very good condition, would you buy it? Since this is older technology, it doesn't do 24 bit but it does do 48 khz audio.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: splumer on April 28, 2010, 12:11:07 PM
Anyone happen to know how much battery life I can expect running phantom power on a 660? I have access to a pair of Beyerdynamic MCE 86N's that I want to use, but they're phantom only, and I was a little worried about losing power right in the middle of a set. Thanks!
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on April 28, 2010, 12:52:02 PM
I run a 660 with phantom power and I think my mics draw more current than the mce86.  I use duracell 2650 and Sanyo 2700 AA batteries, charge with a Lacross charger.  I get at least 5 hours on a single set of batteries... 
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: splumer on April 28, 2010, 01:27:39 PM
I run a 660 with phantom power and I think my mics draw more current than the mce86.  I use duracell 2650 and Sanyo 2700 AA batteries, charge with a Lacross charger.  I get at least 5 hours on a single set of batteries...

Are those rechargeables? I've not had good luck with rechargeables. They seem to run down quickly on me. I have a set that came with my camera that doesn't last long.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Javier Cinakowski on April 28, 2010, 03:10:00 PM
yes, they are nimh rechargable batteries.  They are by far the most reliable and long running battery you can use for the PMD660.   
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: johnmuge on April 28, 2010, 07:57:03 PM
I've been using Kirkland alkaline batterys with the phantom power on and I get over 2 hours with the Beyer MC930's.  I never had the PMD 660 run out of power. 
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: splumer on April 30, 2010, 11:10:24 AM
yes, they are nimh rechargable batteries.  They are by far the most reliable and long running battery you can use for the PMD660.

I should get some! I'm doing a test with a set of Rayovac alkalines, and so far I've gotten 2 hours and 50 minutes. It's been on the blank battery symbol for the last hour, but seems to still be going strong.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: splumer on December 07, 2011, 09:12:28 AM
Just for fun, I thought I'd post some links for recordings I made with my unmodded PMD660:

http://www.archive.org/details/cornmeal2010-11-05
http://www.archive.org/details/moe2010-05-31.bd.flacf
http://www.archive.org/details/moe2011-11-10.bd
http://www.archive.org/details/rre2011-11-18
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: jsfrank on February 13, 2012, 12:40:16 AM
I just joined the team. I've been running both my Microtracker and MT II and the MT II is now making flat line wavs. Thought about getting a 722, but I want to keep using my V3 and this has the s/pdif and mini usb connections I am used to. Got a couple of 16 gig cards (SanDisk Ultra 16 GB Class 4 SDHC Flash Memory Card) that Amazon had suggested.
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: jsfrank on February 13, 2012, 12:52:18 AM
^ Is it possible to upload that anywhere?  I've looked all over marantz, and that other one D&M pro i think, can't find a link at all.  It'd be much appreciated. 

What external batteries are you using?  I just have 9v dvd batt's right now

I use a Tekkeon at the 5v setting. I accidentally used a 9v dvd battery a few weeks ago and my 660 didn't like it.

 

Cool. I run Tekkeons too. Can you use it on 7.5 volt too? Just wondering if I can use the same one that powers the V3 or if I should just run a separate one. Do you also keep AAs inside? If the power cord disconnects will is seamlessly use the AAs?
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: beanstalk on July 16, 2012, 01:01:35 PM
Any good 5v external battery anyone know of at $50 and below?
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: Bloomer on August 08, 2013, 02:26:24 AM
Any good 5v external battery anyone know of at $50 and below?
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Just picked up a Anker battery pack off ebay for $60.  14400mah  1 DC output 9 or 12v AND 2 usb 5v output with all adaptors needed to hook up the 660.  Charge the battery first and let run till it drains empty.  Then recharge to full capacity.  works grate for festivals....
Title: Re: TEAM Marantz PMD 660 (Part II)
Post by: pdxdanmusic on August 09, 2013, 10:10:32 AM
Any good 5v external battery anyone know of at $50 and below?

I got three of these (in black) when they were on sale for $25 with free shipping. I get a little over 11 hours with P48 using my mics on my 661.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1WK0HR9209 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1WK0HR9209)