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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: soundpro on May 24, 2006, 12:50:22 AM
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Hi everybody:
I spoke with our Roland rep today (3-23-06) and he tells me that they are going to ship the first (small) batch of R-09's out to the dealers on Thursday or Friday of this week. We had our first shipment sent overnight to us so that we can get them out to our customers as fast as possible. If all goes as planned, they should arrive at our dock and be headed out to our customers on Friday or Tuesday (Monday is a holiday). All orders will be filled in the order that they were received.
We don't know yet how many we will get.....hoping for 30 or more, but we just don't know yet. The balance (we have 100 on order) will come in a few weeks later.
Thought you all would like to know the latest.
PS - according to our Roland rep, he claims that he and his fellow reps in the Roland home office got a chance to listen to a preview model. It was the general feeling that the R-09 "sounded much better" than the R-1 (for what it's worth - his words). I hope he's right!
Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals, Inc.
www.soundprofessionals.com
800-213-3021
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Hey Chris,
Thanks for the update.
Peace,
jk
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My question is why they couldn't make it 24/96 (or even 24/192) and use CF instead of SD. I would pay $200 more to have that added to this model. I know they have to release this first to get people to buy this and then release what I'm describing later and make more money, but it just seems like it's 2006 and we don't have the ideal recorder yet, and yet there's no (good) reason that we don't.
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I don't know. With the MT2496 issues some people have had, I'm willing to give this thing a shot. I end up putting all my stuff on CD anyway though, so the 24/48 limit doesn't bother me. I have a little more confidence in Edirol than I do in M-Audio right now. I never really had problems using the R-1 and I'm betting the R-09 will work well out of the box (unlike the MT2496).
Anyway, just my $0.02.
(I should say though that my MT2496 hasn't given me any problems with my tapes)
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I hope this device works out, if its stable, I'll be jumping on one in the early fall.
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On the R1 yahoogroup list (edirolr1), we have someone from Holland who just got an R9 a couple days ago. His initial impression was very favorable and he too commented that it just "sounded better". He posted a short recording of himself reading and talking to his small son and to my ears it sounded very clean and quiet, especially for softly spoken words. He also commented that the MP3 gain structure was better for spoken word. But so far no A/B comparisons.
I have an R1 which I have been very happy with and have an R9 on order with an expected arrival date of some time next week. At that point I'll try to do some A/B comparisons recording the same source on both machines.
Paul
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The latest as of Thursday, 5-25-06 3:15 PM EST
Roland says they are shipping the R-09 today, and we will have them on Friday. We will be sending out notifications to the people that are in the first batch (30 units as hoped) that theirs will be on the way to them tomorrow.
Thanks!
Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals
800-213-3021
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Hello again....more details:
For our customers: Those whose order numbers fall between MAS78293 and MAS79552 will be shipping tomorrow, Friday May 26, 2006.
Thanks!
Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals
800-213-3021
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Roland has notified us that our order has shipped and we should see our stock early next week.
- Frank
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For our customers: Those whose order numbers fall between MAS78293 and MAS79552 will be shipping tomorrow, Friday May 26, 2006.
;D Very cool. I thought I'd be in the next lot so this is a nice surprise.
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Woo Hoo! They are here......
First glance.....looks pretty nice....but be REALLY careful when opening the door. It's a little odd the way it works....more to come.
Chris Carfagno
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cool.
cant wait to hear peoples thoughts on this lil' nugget.
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Is it "still" limited to 2GB SD cards or did they implement that? Thanks for all the information :)
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Hello again:
At first glance, I gotta say that I think I found my new favorite recorder. Here are some brief observations:
-The menu structure is the easiest I have ever used. I have not even cracked the manual and got through everything easily.
-The unit boots up in 3 seconds and is ready to record! 3 seconds!
-The meters are amazingly fast.....very responsive......puts the MT2496 to shame.
-The screen is small, but very easy to read and easy on the eyes.
-After a quick listen, it seems like the mic preamp is much improved over the R-1......I will check this more carefully this weekend.
-The firmware works.......take note M-Audio
I am doing a time test with 2500mAh batteries this weekend to check battery life. We are going to offer a battery pack to go with it which should triple the battery run time.....more on this later after the test. In the works is a Phantom power module with XLR inputs to mate with this.....stay tuned.
I'll post more later
Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals
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Hello again:
At first glance, I gotta say that I think I found my new favorite recorder. Here are some brief observations:
-The menu structure is the easiest I have ever used. I have not even cracked the manual and got through everything easily.
-The unit boots up in 3 seconds and is ready to record! 3 seconds!
-The meters are amazingly fast.....very responsive......puts the MT2496 to shame.
-The screen is small, but very easy to read and easy on the eyes.
-After a quick listen, it seems like the mic preamp is much improved over the R-1......I will check this more carefully this weekend.
-The firmware works.......take note M-Audio
I am doing a time test with 2500mAh batteries this weekend to check battery life. We are going to offer a battery pack to go with it which should triple the battery run time.....more on this later after the test. In the works is a Phantom power module with XLR inputs to mate with this.....stay tuned.
I'll post more later
Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals
Thanks Chris!
Are you going to take it apart? I'd love to know what opamps are used for mic pres and for ADC line drivers. That, and what internal voltage is used.
It is sure sounding good, though!
Richard
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Hello again:
At first glance, I gotta say that I think I found my new favorite recorder. Here are some brief observations:
-The menu structure is the easiest I have ever used. I have not even cracked the manual and got through everything easily.
-The unit boots up in 3 seconds and is ready to record! 3 seconds!
-The meters are amazingly fast.....very responsive......puts the MT2496 to shame.
-The screen is small, but very easy to read and easy on the eyes.
-After a quick listen, it seems like the mic preamp is much improved over the R-1......I will check this more carefully this weekend.
-The firmware works.......take note M-Audio
I am doing a time test with 2500mAh batteries this weekend to check battery life. We are going to offer a battery pack to go with it which should triple the battery run time.....more on this later after the test. In the works is a Phantom power module with XLR inputs to mate with this.....stay tuned.
I'll post more later
Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals
BIG +T, Chris.
Thanks for the update! Looking forward to hearing more about this recorder.
Any idea when you'll get your next shipment in? (Sorry to ask in here, I'm just getting a bit giddy for the R-09 and I figure you might check this thread before the holiday weekend is over.)
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Sweet, Now someone try a 4GB SD in this thing!
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Sweet, Now someone try a 4GB SD in this thing!
That was my next thought. ;D +T
The only thing that makes me iffy about 4GB SD cards for this is that I have yet to find a more "brand name" (Kingston or SanDisk) SD card over 2GB. All I've seen thus far in the 4GB size is brands like Transend, A-Data, and maybe another couple.
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Hello:
Roland tells me the next shipment will be in about 2 weeks. They are going to try to give us whatever we need to fill the preorders we have in the system at that time (right now, it's about 25, but I am sure it will grow by then). My rep seems somewhat confident that he can meet our needs at that time. Here's hoping!
PS. ....I hate to say it, but I think this may be the recorder that finally kills MD (as long as memory prices keep falling, that is). Once we have the phantom adapter ready, I will never use the MT2496 again.....
I'm in love :-)
Chris
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Hi again:
I thought you all would find this interesting:
I told our Roland rep about this site and he has been watching the posts. Here is the latest on the 4gb issue:
"Hi Chris,
I have seen a lot of post on the site your mentioned asking about 4GB
or larger cards for the R-09.
Here's where we are at:
Currently the SD directory regulation limits the SD card capacity to
2GB. Some card manufacturers have bypassed the standard to make 4GB
cards with mixed results.
There is a new, expanded regulation being tested by the SD Card
Association ( SDHC ) that will allow 4GB and larger cards. Only
Panasonic has released an SD card in the SDHC card format. It is
being tested.
When the new standard is finalized, and more manufacturers begin to
release these cards, Edirol will test these. If acceptable, we will
update the R-09 be fully compatible with the larger card format. If
it looks like data errors or other issues could occur, we will not.
Also, since audio requires data to be streamed at a constant rate,
stay away from the UltraFast burst cards. The less expensive slower
ones are reliable. The UltraFast ones might create issues."
.......it sounds like Roland it on top of this.....more to come...
Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals
www.soundprofessionals.com
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So what kind of brands are recommended (perhaps guide me to a .. uhm guide)? Thanks for all the info :)
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Chris - another BIG +T to you. Thanks ever so much for keeping us updated during the holiday weekend. I will likely pre-order an R-09 from Sound Professionals on Tuesday then. 8)
ballerusk - take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt, i.e. since I do not have an R-09, I am not certain. Having said that disclaimer, Edirol/Roland site lists "acceptable" and recommended CF cards for the R-1... I would *think* similar brand SD cards would be the ones that work well with the R-09, i.e. Kingston / Kingston Elite Pro, the 'slow'/normal SanDisk, etc. I know people like to have faster memory cards, but I never had any problems with my 'low grade/speed' SanDisk CF card in my R-1. I would imagine the situation with the R-09 would be similar.
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On pocket pc recording with SD, the brands that I know that work are:
Sandisk regular (blue label) 1gb and 2gb.
Patriot Memory Systems up to 2gb.
Recently we have tested the Transcend 4gb (150x) with excellent results.
Transcend offers a utility you can run which fixes the aforementioned 2gb issue on their chip.
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I picked up the first two R-09 units that arrived here in San Diego this afternoon, been doing some test recordings. So far so good...
I noticed that there is a new 1.03 firmware release dated 5/25/06 on the Edirol site, both my units shipped with 1.02 installed:
http://www.edirol.net/products/en/R-09/
Click on "Downloads"
Release notes say something about increased compatibility with SD cards.
I found it nearly impossible to get to the actual download file, both FireFox and IE want to see it as a text file, so I had to grab it with an FTP client at the following location using an anonymous login:
ftp.roland.co.jp
with the update in the directory:
downloads/dl_06-11381
and the file:
DMZ15.UPD
The docs are in the directory:
downloads/en/dl_06-11381
Here is the readme for the update:
The R-09 System Program
This system program is used to update the R-09 to the most recent version.
Changes [Version 1.02 -> Version 1.03]
* Improved the access method to the SD memory card to support more varieties of SD memory cards.
* Improved operational stability when running in high temperature environments.
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Items required for the R-09 update
The following items are required to update the R-09 system program.
* R-09 unit
* R-09 USB cable (supplied with the unit)
* Supported SD memory card (recommend using the SD memory card supplied with the R-09)
Note: The memory card must be formatted on the R-09 and have at least 2 MB free.
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How to check the version
Before downloading, check the R-09 version.
1.
Turn power off to the R-09 unit.
2.
Turn power on to the R-09 unit again and check the left part of the screen during startup for the version number.
Note: If the version is the most recent, there is no need for the update.
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Update cautions (important)
Do not use this system program in products other than the R-09. Using the improper system program may damage the data or system.
Note: Use the supplied AC adapter for the update. Do not use batteries for the power supply during the update.
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Update procedure
The update procedure is described below.
Note: Do not turn off power to the R-09 unit until the update is completed.
Note: Settings such as the display contrast and recording format are initialized during the update. We recommend copying down important settings before beginning.
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Turn power off to the R-09.
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Insert the SD memory card in the R-09.
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Turn power on to the R-09 unit.
4.
Connect the R-09 to the computer with the USB cable.
-> The R-09 is detected by the computer.
5.
Copy the DMZ15.UPD file (already extracted) to the R-09 root directory.
6.
Disconnect the R-09 from the computer in the following manner. [Safely disconnecting the R-09]
When using Windows
Disconnect the connection with the R-09 using the "Safely Remove Hardware" icon located in the taskbar in the lower right part of the screen. Disconnect the USB cable connecting the R-09 and the computer.
When using Macintosh
After dragging the R-09 compact flash icon to the trash can, disconnect the cable connecting the R-09 to the computer.
7.
Turn power off to the R-09.
8.
Turn power on while pressing the [REC] button.
9.
When the R-09 detects the update, the following screen is shown.
In the place where "PROG: 1.02" is shown, the current version of R-09 being used is displayed.
Note: The numbers to the right of "BOOT:" or "UPDT:" do not need to be checked.
Note: "-- no card--" or "--no update file--" may be temporarily displayed until the screen described above appears. This is not a malfunction.
If "PROG: 1.03" is already displayed, there is no need to update. Press the [POWER] button to turn off power.
If the SD memory card cannot be detected, "-- no card--" is displayed; if the update cannot be found on the SD memory card, "--no update file--" is displayed. If this occurs, turn off power, return to the previous procedure, and check the SD memory card and update data.
10.
Press the [REC Button].
-> The following is displayed and the update process continues automatically.
The update takes about 30 seconds.
[Caution]
While the above is displayed, do not turn off power to the R-09 or remove the SD memory card.
11.
When the update completes, the following is shown.
12.
Press the [POWER] button to turn off power.
This completes the update process. The new system program will run from the next startup.
Review how to check the version, and then verify that the version was updated.
After verifying the version has been updated, either reconnect the R-09 to a computer and delete DMZ15.UPD from the R-09 root directory or format the SD memory card on the R-09.
I had no problem with the upgrade procedure...
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I'm currently testing continuous record time with a new set of alkalines, would be curious to know what sort of time others are getting with both alkaline and NiMH. The docs say 4 hours with new alkalines, it will be interesting to see how it does on 2500 mAh NiMH batteries.
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Also, for a case, the Body Glove Neoprene Mesh Cellsuit - Smartphone generic case works perfectly, gives access to the front controls and display through a clear cover, and the side power and level buttons are still accessable through the mesh:
http://www.bodyglove.com/products/product_buy.php?uselist=showcase&selected_prod=http%3A%2F%2Fbodyglove.mwrc.net%2Fxml%2Fen%2Fproduct.xml%3Fproduct_id%3D9180%26include_offline_products%3Dyes%26include_offline_retailers%3Dyes (http://www.bodyglove.com/products/product_buy.php?uselist=showcase&selected_prod=http%3A%2F%2Fbodyglove.mwrc.net%2Fxml%2Fen%2Fproduct.xml%3Fproduct_id%3D9180%26include_offline_products%3Dyes%26include_offline_retailers%3Dyes)
I found mine at BestBuy for about $20.00
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This is all good news... this unit is looking more and more promising!
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Must say, when you first pick it up, its a bit of a surprise, as it weighs nothing. The build quality is quite good, but until you put some batteries in it to give it some heft, it feels like a block of styrofoam.
The display is incredibly good, meters quite quick. I particularly like the big red flashing record standby button, which goes solid red when recording.
Tested with a bunch of small plug-in-power Sony mikes I had from various MD players (ECM-DS70P, ECM-717, and the T-mike from the MicroTrack), the internal mikes on the R-09 sounded best, but the ECM-717 was nearly identical. The ECM-DS70P and the T-mike from the MicroTrack sounded fine, but a bit harse on the treble side. I'll probably toss the ECM-717 in the case to use when I want an external mike.
I haven't tried the line-in on the unit, and I was planning on selling my hardly used MicroTrack, but the R-09 is sort of in a class of its own, doesn't have balanced inputs, only support plug-in-power stereo mikes, I can see the appeal of having both in my recording arsenal, even if I'll use the R-09 most of the time.
I'm testing with a SanDisk 1 GB Ultra II SD card from Costco, seems fine.
Update: Currently at about 3.5 hours on the first set of AA alkalines, shows more than 1/2 of the battery left, so the record time looks very promising. I hope the NiMH times are similar. Will do some tests tomorrow.
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This sounds almost to good. :)
Soundpro's Roland rep said:
When the new standard is finalized, and more manufacturers begin to
release these cards, Edirol will test these. If acceptable, we will
update the R-09 be fully compatible with the larger card format. If
it looks like data errors or other issues could occur, we will not.
Dose this mean that no hardware modification is needed to run SDHC?
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Thanks for all the help on SD-cards. Found this from a local retailer: http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Item(1853)-SDSDPH-2048-SanDisk_Ultra_II_SD_Plus_USB_2GB.aspx which looks fairly good.
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while this is a great looking deck, and i'm sure its cool as hell...and even if it sounds kick ass...it is still limited to 3 hours of 16/48 recording time given the current 2gb SD limit. that sinks the ship for me.
and 24bit? what good is that when you can only do it for an hour?
not a good concert taping deck, yet.
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I guess it depends on your recording needs, its a perfect device for stealth recording of Irish pub sessions.
Well, on 2 AA Alkalines, I was able to record over 6 (!) hours. Interestingly, the last recording stopped exactly at 3 hours so I don't know if that is a firmware limitation or just a coincidence. This was recording 320 kbit MP3.
Thinking about it, 6 hours is about all you can get on a 1 Gig card at 320 kbit so I'm pretty sure I just filled the card. There was still 1/2 battery left on the meter in the morning. This is quite impressive compared to my experiences with the MT or the R1 where I was happy to get 3.5 hours on a charge.
Now running a test of battery life with two 2500 mAH NiMH...
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while this is a great looking deck, and i'm sure its cool as hell...and even if it sounds kick ass...it is still limited to 3 hours of 16/48 recording time given the current 2gb SD limit. that sinks the ship for me.
and 24bit? what good is that when you can only do it for an hour?
not a good concert taping deck, yet.
It looks like soon it will be able to use 4gb SD cards. It sounds like Edirol isn't going to put a stamp of approval on 4gb until they've tested it with the cards... my guess is that if you bought a 4gb card and tried it, it would work. I think this will be a great taping deck, but I'm going to wait to hear about this 4gb issue, and also whether the digital level adjustment is alright? Generally I'd be using this behind a pre and would adjust the gain using the pre, and have the levels on the R-09 locked in to 0db, but if there's a noise as you adjust levels, that might not be so good...
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while this is a great looking deck, and i'm sure its cool as hell...and even if it sounds kick ass...it is still limited to 3 hours of 16/48 recording time given the current 2gb SD limit. that sinks the ship for me.
and 24bit? what good is that when you can only do it for an hour?
not a good concert taping deck, yet.
Actually, at 24/48, just over 2 hours will put you at the 2GB mark. I agree that's still not enough time though...
Later,
pjdavep
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This sounds almost to good. :)
Soundpro's Roland rep said:
When the new standard is finalized, and more manufacturers begin to
release these cards, Edirol will test these. If acceptable, we will
update the R-09 be fully compatible with the larger card format. If
it looks like data errors or other issues could occur, we will not.
Dose this mean that no hardware modification is needed to run SDHC?
The cards should be electrically compatible. They would likely have to update their system software.
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while this is a great looking deck, and i'm sure its cool as hell...and even if it sounds kick ass...it is still limited to 3 hours of 16/48 recording time given the current 2gb SD limit. that sinks the ship for me.
and 24bit? what good is that when you can only do it for an hour?
not a good concert taping deck, yet.
That's a good point, Nick... basically, as of right now, the R-09 is limited in the way a portable DAT is (3 hours at 16-bit, or 2 hours at 24-bit). The media is pretty inexpensive - I see 2GB SD cards cost between $50 to $60 brand new. But who wants to swap the memory card during the encore/set break?
Obviously, a 2GB seamless auto-split feature is very desirable, but even if the R-09 will simply recognize a 4GB SD card and can stop/start a new file fairly quickly (as with the R-1), then it will serve my purposes.
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This sounds almost to good. :)
Soundpro's Roland rep said:
When the new standard is finalized, and more manufacturers begin to
release these cards, Edirol will test these. If acceptable, we will
update the R-09 be fully compatible with the larger card format. If
it looks like data errors or other issues could occur, we will not.
Dose this mean that no hardware modification is needed to run SDHC?
The cards should be electrically compatible. They would likely have to update their system software.
Thanks for the answer Live2496!
Now i think i will get me one of these baby's! ;D
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Hey, Guys...
I'd like to throw in my R-09 info contribution...
I just did a battery test with Eveready NiMH rechargeables (slow charged), and they lasted 7 hours, 20 minutes, and 23 seconds!!!
I used a Sandisk 1GB SD (normal speed) and recorded one long file as an mp3@192kbps, which created a file size of 605mb.
I did not stop the recording manually. I let the batteries run down to see if the file would be saved intact, and indeed it was.
Also, I did adjust the input gain settings while recording, and there is NO zipper noise while adjusting the digital gain!
The quality of the recording is very good. Better audio quality than the R-1, and better stereo separation.
By the way, I have used both Sandisk and Lexar cards with it and I have had no problems with either brands.
The timestamping is a nice addition, and you can see the current time in the bottom right corner of the home display.
While recording, one can see the remaining/available time left on the media...and while in playback, one can see the current location time in the file.
I love the OLED hi-res screen! And this baby is FAST!
It is VERY quick & easy to stop the recording, and quickly press the Record button twice to make a new audio file...in less than a second!
I'll keep testing, and post more info as I learn more myself...
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Thanks for that input, bassix.
Can someone test their R-09 battery runtime while recording in WAV (16-bit) format? It will be less than the battery runtime for MP3 recording, since WAV recording is more taxing on the processor (as I understand it). But I'm very interested in knowing how long the R-09 will record with 2500 mah rechargeables, with normal alkaline AAs, and with lithium AAs.
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Thanks for that input, bassix.
Can someone test their R-09 battery runtime while recording in WAV (16-bit) format? It will be less than the battery runtime for MP3 recording, since WAV recording is more taxing on the processor (as I understand it). But I'm very interested in knowing how long the R-09 will record with 2500 mah rechargeables, with normal alkaline AAs, and with lithium AAs.
The problem with that is you can only record 3 hours cause of the SD card
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this machine looks pretty promising considering the cost of sd cards going down. would prooly need about 4-5x 2gb sd cards for a three day music though un less you have a lappy to store data. prolly 2 for a regular 2 set +encore show.
how is the pre on this thing? will it need a pre in front of the unti? i like the compact size indeed as well.
has anyone made any line-in or mic-in recordings? thoughts?
it would be nice to get pre levels like a sony dat. would also be nice if some firmware comes along that allows low-passs freq
i have about 16 2250mah batteries, so i wouldn't be so much worried about battery issues although the running life on 2 batts seems pretty nice....
dieing to hear more on hand testing from you cats that already have one....
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tapers_are_geeks....The R-09 allows you to see the pre-levels with one touch of the Rec button. Once the levels are set properly, another touch of the REC button puts the unit into Record.
Also, there is a low cut filter switch on the back of the unit, as well as High/Low mic gain, ext. mic stereo/mono switch, and the AGC (Automatic Gain Control...which auto sets the record levels) switch.
Hope this helps...
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Also, there is a low cut filter switch on the back of the unit,
Any specs on the low cut? (Hz?).
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Thanks for that input, bassix.
Can someone test their R-09 battery runtime while recording in WAV (16-bit) format? It will be less than the battery runtime for MP3 recording, since WAV recording is more taxing on the processor (as I understand it). But I'm very interested in knowing how long the R-09 will record with 2500 mah rechargeables, with normal alkaline AAs, and with lithium AAs.
The problem with that is you can only record 3 hours cause of the SD card
True, but I've done tests with my R-1 before where I set an eggtimer and as soon as the timer went off (at the 3h8min mark), I went to the R-1, deleted the WAV file, and resumed recording.
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Hey, Guys...
I'd like to throw in my R-09 info contribution...
I just did a battery test with Eveready NiMH rechargeables (slow charged), and they lasted 7 hours, 20 minutes, and 23 seconds!!!
I used a Sandisk 1GB SD (normal speed) and recorded one long file as an mp3@192kbps, which created a file size of 605mb.
I did not stop the recording manually. I let the batteries run down to see if the file would be saved intact, and indeed it was.
Also, I did adjust the input gain settings while recording, and there is NO zipper noise while adjusting the digital gain!
The quality of the recording is very good. Better audio quality than the R-1, and better stereo separation.
By the way, I have used both Sandisk and Lexar cards with it and I have had no problems with either brands.
The timestamping is a nice addition, and you can see the current time in the bottom right corner of the home display.
While recording, one can see the remaining/available time left on the media...and while in playback, one can see the current location time in the file.
I love the OLED hi-res screen! And this baby is FAST!
It is VERY quick & easy to stop the recording, and quickly press the Record button twice to make a new audio file...in less than a second!
I'll keep testing, and post more info as I learn more myself...
That's great about the lack of noise while changing gain... what I'm wondering now is does it show the amount of gain applied? 0dB? 5dB? etc etc.... or is it just like "level 1, 2, 3, 4, etc..."
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Input Levels....0 thru 30. No dB increments....except on the level meters, of course. ::)
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Input Levels....0 thru 30. No dB increments....except on the level meters, of course. ::)
It would be great to see some pics of the display and meters in action if you get a chance... thanks a lot for describing this unit..
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On the R1 yahoogroup list (edirolr1), we have someone from Holland who just got an R9 a couple days ago. His initial impression was very favorable and he too commented that it just "sounded better".
:realhappy: :realhappy:
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Hey....back again:
OK.....ran two tests this weekend. The first was with a set of 2500mAH NiMH batteries in the unit. The unit died at 8 hours, 36 minutes and saved the file.....pretty impressive! It was recorded at 64kbps for maximum recording time. Recording to .wav will likely reduce this time.....working on this time test now.
Next, I ran a test with a prototype of our battery pack along with the internal batteries. It almost doubled the time to 16 hours, 41 minutes. It was recorded at 64kbps for maximum recording time. Will try this with .wav later today.
More to come......
Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals
www.soundprofessionals.com
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Hey....back again:
OK.....ran two tests this weekend. The first was with a set of 2500mAH NiMH batteries in the unit. The unit died at 8 hours, 36 minutes and saved the file.....pretty impressive! It was recorded at 64kbps for maximum recording time. Recording to .wav will likely reduce this time.....working on this time test now.
Next, I ran a test with a prototype of our battery pack along with the internal batteries. It almost doubled the time to 16 hours, 41 minutes. It was recorded at 64kbps for maximum recording time. Will try this with .wav later today.
More to come......
Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals
www.soundprofessionals.com
Wow, that is impressive. I think the second this is confirmed to work with 4gb cards, I'm on the team...
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Wow, that is impressive. I think the second this is confirmed to work with 4gb cards, I'm on the team...
I'm with you on this, if the 4G cards are confirmed to work then I've found my next recorder. I think Audix 1290>MP2>Edirol R-09 @ 24/48 will hold me over for at least a little while :P
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Hey....back again:
OK.....ran two tests this weekend. The first was with a set of 2500mAH NiMH batteries in the unit. The unit died at 8 hours, 36 minutes and saved the file.....pretty impressive! It was recorded at 64kbps for maximum recording time. Recording to .wav will likely reduce this time.....working on this time test now.
Next, I ran a test with a prototype of our battery pack along with the internal batteries. It almost doubled the time to 16 hours, 41 minutes. It was recorded at 64kbps for maximum recording time. Will try this with .wav later today.
More to come......
Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals
www.soundprofessionals.com
Wow, that is impressive. I think the second this is confirmed to work with 4gb cards, I'm on the team...
Me too! 4GB cards aren't that expensive either.
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Hey....back again:
OK.....ran two tests this weekend. The first was with a set of 2500mAH NiMH batteries in the unit. The unit died at 8 hours, 36 minutes and saved the file.....pretty impressive! It was recorded at 64kbps for maximum recording time. Recording to .wav will likely reduce this time.....working on this time test now.
Next, I ran a test with a prototype of our battery pack along with the internal batteries. It almost doubled the time to 16 hours, 41 minutes. It was recorded at 64kbps for maximum recording time. Will try this with .wav later today.
More to come......
Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals
www.soundprofessionals.com
Wow, that is impressive. I think the second this is confirmed to work with 4gb cards, I'm on the team...
I think we are many that will get this recorder if it would work with some 4GB cards, let's hope someone do make a test soon.
And i hope they test with Transcend Secure Digital 4GB card cause that is the only one i can find for fast delivery in sweden. :)
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The R1 didn't support 4gb at first, right?
or is my memory failing me?
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The R1 didn't support 4gb at first, right?
or is my memory failing me?
Well I think the manual stated it would only work with 2G cards, but that was proved wrong once they got in the field, please correct me if I'm mistaken.
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The R1 didn't support 4gb at first, right?
or is my memory failing me?
Well I think the manual stated it would only work with 2G cards, but that was proved wrong once they got in the field, please correct me if I'm mistaken.
http://www.meritline.com/pqi-4gb-hispeed-150x-secure-digital-sd-card.html
would that one work with the r-09?
i dont care about 2 gb split
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The R1 didn't support 4gb at first, right?
or is my memory failing me?
Well I think the manual stated it would only work with 2G cards, but that was proved wrong once they got in the field, please correct me if I'm mistaken.
http://www.meritline.com/pqi-4gb-hispeed-150x-secure-digital-sd-card.html
would that one work with the r-09?
i dont care about 2 gb split
I have no idea if it would work, you should get it and let us know if it does though! :P
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The R1 didn't support 4gb at first, right?
or is my memory failing me?
Well I think the manual stated it would only work with 2G cards, but that was proved wrong once they got in the field, please correct me if I'm mistaken.
that's what i thought too.
hopefully it will be the same with this unit.
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Hey Guys, here's some more info on the R-09 after testing the highest sample rate with NiMH batteries...
I followed Rick's eggtimer suggestion so that when I ran out of memory on my 1GB Sandisk card, I quickly deleted the file and started recording again, so the time should be pretty close to continuous recording with a larger card.
This time I recorded at 24bit/48kHz WAV and my NiMH Eveready 2500mah batteries lasted approx. 6 hours and 5 minutes!!! (58 minute files x 6, plus 17 minutes in the last file)
Very good battery time, in my opinion! And much more than the quoted 4 hour record time with alkaline batteries from the specifications. I have yet to test alkalines at this bitrate and sample rate, but I'll get to it soon!
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Nice, keep bringing on the info guys!
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The R1 didn't support 4gb at first, right?
or is my memory failing me?
Well I think the manual stated it would only work with 2G cards, but that was proved wrong once they got in the field, please correct me if I'm mistaken.
http://www.meritline.com/pqi-4gb-hispeed-150x-secure-digital-sd-card.html
would that one work with the r-09?
i dont care about 2 gb split
Hello Oleg,
RE: PQI. No one knows for certain yet.
IMO, I think that it would be less risky to go with the Transcend 4gb.
Here is a link to one vendor and also a link to a thread on my website about my experiences with the Transcend 4gb chip. In summary, they have a utility which should allow you to access the full area of the media. I don't know if PQI has this. It seems reasonable that if there was some issue addressing more than 2gb that each vendor may have a workaround for it.
http://live2496.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30
http://www.ecost.com/ecost/ecdm/shop/detail~dpno~601848.asp
Gordon
P.S. More on this
The utility is just for fixing the media back to it's factory settings so that you can address the entire space.
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Hello:
The latest regarding battery life: My results recording using 16bit, 44.1khz recording (CD quality) with Lenmar 2500mAh batteries: Runtime was 6 hours and 32 minutes. This is a very reasonable runtime on a set of AA batteries..... :-)
Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals
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Hello:
The latest regarding battery life: My results recording using 16bit, 44.1khz recording (CD quality) with Lenmar 2500mAh batteries: Runtime was 6 hours and 32 minutes. This is a very reasonable runtime on a set of AA batteries..... :-)
Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals
Yet another +T to Chris and to bassix for running the battery tests. That runtime is excellent. With my R-1 using 2500 mah rechargeables, I was averaging a little over 4 hours. So adding an extra couple of hours worth of runtime is excellent news.
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Hey !
Thanks for providing the MUCH APPRECIATED info about R-09 ... Please can you provide more info on real-time-usage concerning stealthing with the r-09 using build-in and preferabely plug-in-powered stealth-microphones (such as coresound´s or such)
Here is a link to the formerly known as r1 newsgroup at yahoo where the discussion gradually ;) shifts towards the r-09 ...
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/edirolr1/message/1572
Thank you ALL very much!
liverecording
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Here's some accessory info that is posted at the Edirol US site. Looks like there is a mini-shotgun mic available. (Stealthing or what not...)
It looks close to an Audio Technica mini-shotgun mic that I've seen.
There is also a protective leather case/mini-tripod setup that looks interesting, a mic stand adapter, and a case for it all.
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=757&ParentId=114
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Thank you to all who have submitted testing info so far.
What about the calibration of the level controls? Do they have any preset or function so that the desired level is "saved" between unit shutdown or the stopping of one recording and the starting of another? Or must one reset levels each time they start a new recording or turn the unit off?
I can't imagine it does either but I'm hoping someone will prove me wrong. I still don't know why they went from the "saveable" input dial of the R-1 to the buttons for the R-09...
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blackmikito... The last setting of the input gain level is retained from one recording to the next, as long as it is not manually changed.
The R-09 does save this level upon shutdown, for when rebooting,...the input gain was as I set it prior to shutdown.
I hope this helps...
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blackmikito - very good question, thank you for inquiring. I hadn't even thought of asking that, but am glad that you asked so we were able to find out the answer.
As for the input dial of the R-1, I had a love-hate relationship with it: I loved its functionality, but I hated the fact that the actual dial/knob fell off so easily.
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blackmikito... The last setting of the input gain level is retained from one recording to the next, as long as it is not manually changed.
The R-09 does save this level upon shutdown, for when rebooting,...the input gain was as I set it prior to shutdown.
I hope this helps...
Okay, well that sounds more promising. Thanks for the response. Although I imagine that after prolonged shutdown, or with the removal of the batteries for a period of time, perhaps the unit goes into a state of reset where the levels are back to a "normal" state. Considering that there is no permanent harddrive or internal power source that the unit would have a memory stored in, like an ipod does. When you turn an ipod off and then on, the volume and song last played are stored as they were prior to shutoff. However, I don't believe even an ipod will do that after several hours or days being dormant. And since the R-09 runs on batteries it probably only has a "temporary" memory. I have an alarm clock that will still display correct time if the batteries accidentally fall out and get put back in within a minute or so of falling out.
Perhaps this would make a good future test. How long will the unit keep level memory (or other settings) when turned off, or when batteries or sd card are removed?
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Hello:
Regarding the stereo mic Roland shows as an option......it's nothing more than an Audio Technica PRO24 re-badged......for twice the price. If you like the Roland, get the PRO24 instead. I won't paste a link here as it might be considered advertizing, but we carry it on our site. It's a good alternative to the SONY MS907, for less $$.
Of course, there are better mics....but it's a good value, considering it's a stereo cardioid for less than $70 :-)
Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals
www.soundprofessionals.com
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Hello:
Regarding the stereo mic Roland shows as an option......it's nothing more than an Audio Technica PRO24 re-badged......for twice the price. If you like the Roland, get the PRO24 instead. I won't paste a link here as it might be considered advertizing, but we carry it on our site. It's a good alternative to the SONY MS907, for less $$.
Of course, there are better mics....but it's a good value, considering it's a stereo cardioid for less than $70 :-)
Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals
www.soundprofessionals.com
Hey Chris,
Can you provide some more details about the R09? Like how do mic and line in sound? I'm wondering if you took a good audio source (eg., high-end CD player), attenuate by 20dB, then put it into the mic in, record, then compare to a line in recording, and to the original source.
Just thinking out loud here, but it would nice to get an idea of what performance we can expect.
Anyway, thanks for the battery tests and such. These are really helpful.
Richard
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Wohoo, mine has landed downunder and I'll have a play this evening.
Here's a couple of pics next to my Minidisc to give a rough idea of the size
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boy, that thing is rediculously small.
i love it
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Mine just arrived on the brown truck. This thing is quite slick. Thicker than an iPod, but similar 2-D footprint. First impressions:
Positive:
1) Ergonomics - VERY easy to get around. Intuitive control layout and menus. Absolutely wonderful.
2) Screen - I love this black/white screen. Even works in bright sunlight if you crank it up. FAST, accurate meters. (yea!!!)
3) Size - A little thicker than I expected, but still very nice. Looks/feels about like the baby Remmington shaver.
4) Dual settings for different battery types. Nice touch.
5) Sound - Well, what can you say for $399? Substantial low-end, which I like. You can always use the rolloff if needed. Seems like a fairly low noise floor using internal mics. Not dead silent, but very usable.
Negative:
1) Battery removal door. This looks like a quick candidate for breakage. Ya gotta be careful with it.
2) No charger. Watch out if you have it hooked to USB for a long period. Could lose a file in transfer. AC adapter included, though.
3) Really needs a case. Big time. Should have been included. Looks like the screen could get scratched quite easily (in fact mine already has a blemish)
4) Police warning light for rec/pause. Somewhat...alarming. Put it this way...you'll never overwrite something by accident.
5) Sound - Well, what can you say for $399? Upper mids/highs seems a little strident/phasey to me (is phasey a word?). This is probably due to reflections from the tight surroundings. Schoeps thru a V3 it ain't. But very good in the fundamental tones.
Overall, for what it does and the price it's really gonna be hard to beat. I've done some guitar/vocal recordings with the internals (will post soon). Later I plan some recordings with a Rode NT4 direct into the mic pre, and finally a pair of Earthworks through a V2 into the line in.
Oh yeah, my final positive note. When you boot it...it says "Have Fun Recording!". This thing does have somewhat of a vibe. :) Good job, Roland.
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FYI, if you haven't already noticed, the screen has protective plastic over it that you are supposed to remove. I thought the same thing, that I had scratched the display.
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Thanks Eskin. I thought there might be, but didn't see one on first glance. And also thanks for the recommendation on the Body Glove case. It fits perfect, protects the unit, has a belt clip, and most amazingly I can still easily access almost all controls through the case. I cut a 1/8 x 1/4 inch notch in the elastic on the headphone side and now I can leave phones plugged in while still in the case. Perfect. Potentially you could do the same with the mic/line input.
I have to say. I am absolutely LOVING this unit. My needs are more along the lines of songwriter sketchpad/jam recorder, and this certainly fills the bill. But it does so much more. I'm walking around recording conversations...ambient sounds (got a good jet going overhead)...television (ok...well, maybe a little over zealous). But I haven't had this much fun since I got my $19.99 Panasonic portable cassette for Christmas when I was 10. :)
I had the boot message incorrect before. The occasional message on boot (every third or fourth boot, can't quite figure out why/when)...is "Enjoy Recording". I am.
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One thing of note, that was reading on the R-09, is that you can't seem to adjust the recording input while the unit is recording, only while it's not recording or in stand by.
I do like this feature on the Microtrack, as I can adjust the recording input up or down to compensate for live recording situations.
Are you able to adjust recording levels while recording, or only in standy by?
Thanks ;D
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I would assume you can adjust on-the-fly.. if not, that makes the unit fairly useless... the R-1 had on the fly adjustments, so I don't see why they'd go backwards.
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I would assume you can adjust on-the-fly.. if not, that makes the unit fairly useless... the R-1 had on the fly adjustments, so I don't see why they'd go backwards.
I fingured as much, but was reading the manual, and there was no mention of this.
It only kept restatning that you should put the unit on stand by or pause to adjust the volume.
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You can adjust on-the-fly :)
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You can adjust on-the-fly :)
Thanks, I just talked to Soundprofessionals.com and found out that was so.
I just put in an order for one, that will hopefully arrive in the next shipment in a couple weeks.
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Battery life looking good. Been recording 16/44 wav for 4hrs on 2500mAh Energizer rechargeables, with a SP battery box (line-in) / SP-BMC-9 mics and it's approx 1/4 drained.
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Just got my R-09 and Edirol got it right! The screen it is the sharpest I have seen, great meters and peak light. Its tiny, very close to the same size as my iRiver H120, and great battery life. The menus are all logical and easy to navigate. The plug power to mics is 3.3V according to the manual (not measured.) I will still probably use a battery box, but will do some testing to compare the sound with and without battery boxes, 2 and 3 wire style. Sound quality is excellent.
I will soon do a comparison of my C4>UA-5 digital>JB3 (16bit/48k) and C4>UA-5 analog>R09 (24bit/48k) at the same time. Then try the same source with my AT853>3 wire battery box>R09. Can't wait to see how the R-09 A/D and pre compares to the UA-5, but with limited testing it sounds very good.
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Guys,
Thought you might want to know the actual R9 battery drain. Mine just arrived (and I love it) so I made a couple measurements. Not the easiest thing to do given how the batteries connect.....
Anyway, I get about 210mA idle and about 245mA in playback or record (internal mics, MP3, 192K). All figures are with the display at brightness 5. I was not able to observe it dimmed because with my meter in the circuit the voltage dropped enough to trigger the low battery warning and that prevented screen dimming.
Not sure why you guys aren't getting closer to 10 hours on 2500 mAH cells. Maybe they don't deliver rated capacity at 1/10C?
Paul
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Going to buy this locally for $575 as I've calculated that buying from the US would only save me around $20 when considering shipping and customs (+25%). Plus the security of if something should happen I can fix it here instead of shipping it around half the globe. No way to avoid customs as neither SP or Cascade want to mark the value down, and I understand them well. If it gets lost in the mail with the value marked down I will not be refunded the $400.
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Here is a link to one vendor and also a link to a thread on my website about my experiences with the Transcend 4gb chip. In summary, they have a utility which should allow you to access the full area of the media. I don't know if PQI has this. It seems reasonable that if there was some issue addressing more than 2gb that each vendor may have a workaround for it.
http://live2496.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30
http://www.ecost.com/ecost/ecdm/shop/detail~dpno~601848.asp
Gordon
P.S. More on this
The utility is just for fixing the media back to it's factory settings so that you can address the entire space.
hi gordon.
i bought one of these transcend 4gb sd cards, and i'd love to have that sdfixcapacity.exe tool at my disposal. the link is dead on your BBS. do you have a copy you could email me, perhaps?
sleepypedro at gmail dot com
thanks in advance, i sure hope you can help me out. transcendusa techs didn't know what i was talking about!
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has anyone compaired this to the microtrack?
side by side, not just online
seems to me the microtrack is better overall because you can do dig in, and 24/96 vs 48
if anyone knows could you post why the 09 would be better
thanks
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seems to me the microtrack is better overall because you can do dig in, and 24/96 vs 48
until an edirol unit explodes in a user's hand, to me the score shall remain Edirol 1, M-Audio 0. 8)
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seems to me the microtrack is better overall because you can do dig in, and 24/96 vs 48
until an edirol unit explodes in a user's hand, to me the score shall remain Edirol 1, M-Audio 0. 8)
And given how close to our most important organ many of us run these, I'd say this is of utmost importance.
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Here is a link to one vendor and also a link to a thread on my website about my experiences with the Transcend 4gb chip. In summary, they have a utility which should allow you to access the full area of the media. I don't know if PQI has this. It seems reasonable that if there was some issue addressing more than 2gb that each vendor may have a workaround for it.
http://live2496.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30
http://www.ecost.com/ecost/ecdm/shop/detail~dpno~601848.asp
Gordon
P.S. More on this
The utility is just for fixing the media back to it's factory settings so that you can address the entire space.
hi gordon.
i bought one of these transcend 4gb sd cards, and i'd love to have that sdfixcapacity.exe tool at my disposal. the link is dead on your BBS. do you have a copy you could email me, perhaps?
sleepypedro at gmail dot com
thanks in advance, i sure hope you can help me out. transcendusa techs didn't know what i was talking about!
I think it's this gordon is talking about (at the bottom)
http://www.transcendusa.com/Support/DLCenter/index.asp?axn=SRH2&ModNo=87&ItemID=TS4GSD150#5
Do you have the r-09 and a transcend 4 gb card? Please let me know if it work so i can buy one! :)
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Going to buy this locally for $575 as I've calculated that buying from the US would only save me around $20 when considering shipping and customs (+25%). Plus the security of if something should happen I can fix it here instead of shipping it around half the globe. No way to avoid customs as neither SP or Cascade want to mark the value down, and I understand them well. If it gets lost in the mail with the value marked down I will not be refunded the $400.
I haven't decided if I'll buy it here in Norway or abroad yet, but I'll probably end up buying it from a Norwegian vendor as well, since it would be nice to have the protection of the Norwegian Sale of Goods Act, and NOK 3000 is actually not too bad. If I choose to import it, there is a way to avoid VAT in customs without devaluating it though... You just have to find a seller who can put Product/Merchandise Sample (vareprøve) instead of Commercial Sample/Merchandise on the waybill/customs declaration ;)
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Just a little praise for Chris and his team (Scott specifically): I had been having issues with my njb3's line/optical in. I called soundpros to ask them about it since they are the only "taper" related retailer/distributor in my area. Chris was extremely helpful and even offered to let me come to the shop so he could take a look at it even though they are not actually a repair shop. I did, and after trying both the optical in with a a/d converter and the mic in with different mics we determined the problem, not to mention that Scott re-soldered the optical/line in for me at no cost.
Chris was more that willing to help me out, and to let me check out both the microtrack and edirol r-09 to see what they were all about. The r-09 is a great little recorder and I know when I'm ready to finally upgrade i'll be giving him a call to place an order.
Excellent customer relations guys, keep up the good work and thanks for taking time out of your day to help me out.
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I think it's this gordon is talking about (at the bottom)
http://www.transcendusa.com/Support/DLCenter/index.asp?axn=SRH2&ModNo=87&ItemID=TS4GSD150#5
Do you have the r-09 and a transcend 4 gb card? Please let me know if it work so i can buy one! :)
+t myran!
i do indeed have that very combination, both pieces landed in the last 24 hrs. i'm out recording tonight (with an edirol r4), but i'll post some r09 tests tonight hopefully.
i did some very preliminary tests at work today with the internal mic, and... it did seem to playback, fwiw.
i did notice one thing: it wouldn't format the card. it just stayed in a loop, i let it run for 5 minutes before i pulled the plug. turns out it didn't even touch the filesystem; the test sessions on the card were still present. so.... i don't know what to say about that one. obviously will test further...
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I think it's this gordon is talking about (at the bottom)
http://www.transcendusa.com/Support/DLCenter/index.asp?axn=SRH2&ModNo=87&ItemID=TS4GSD150#5
Do you have the r-09 and a transcend 4 gb card? Please let me know if it work so i can buy one! :)
+t myran!
i do indeed have that very combination, both pieces landed in the last 24 hrs. i'm out recording tonight (with an edirol r4), but i'll post some r09 tests tonight hopefully.
i did some very preliminary tests at work today with the internal mic, and... it did seem to playback, fwiw.
i did notice one thing: it wouldn't format the card. it just stayed in a loop, i let it run for 5 minutes before i pulled the plug. turns out it didn't even touch the filesystem; the test sessions on the card were still present. so.... i don't know what to say about that one. obviously will test further...
So the r-09 found all 4gb on the transcend card?
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Here is a link to one vendor and also a link to a thread on my website about my experiences with the Transcend 4gb chip. In summary, they have a utility which should allow you to access the full area of the media. I don't know if PQI has this. It seems reasonable that if there was some issue addressing more than 2gb that each vendor may have a workaround for it.
http://live2496.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30
http://www.ecost.com/ecost/ecdm/shop/detail~dpno~601848.asp
Gordon
P.S. More on this
The utility is just for fixing the media back to it's factory settings so that you can address the entire space.
hi gordon.
i bought one of these transcend 4gb sd cards, and i'd love to have that sdfixcapacity.exe tool at my disposal. the link is dead on your BBS. do you have a copy you could email me, perhaps?
sleepypedro at gmail dot com
thanks in advance, i sure hope you can help me out. transcendusa techs didn't know what i was talking about!
My fault. I see that I mistyped the link. For those that read this later ---it has been corrected.
Gordon
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What? For sure this is a scam, please check the feedback on this guy!
http://cgi.ebay.com/EDIROL-R-09-WAVE-MP3-Recorder_W0QQitemZ9143882586QQcategoryZ41676QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Whoa! An issue with the R-09!
Has anyone else noticed the prominent zipper noise when changing the record level on internal mic input? This would not bother me too much except that it seems to also occur when the AGC changes the gain. Put it in AGC mode, and say HELLO loud enough to light the clip LED and activate the AGC. As the AGC releases, there is a short zzzZZZTTTT assumedly as the gain changes rapidly.
I am aware that someone previously reported that there was no zipper noise, so I'm not sure what to make of this. I upgraded to 1.03 firmware if that makes any difference. Didn't test it before the upgrade.
For me this is not a deal breaker. I doubt I will ever use AGC mode because the time constant is WAY too fast.... it is more like a limiter or compressor. It is beyond me why recorder manufacturers can't get AGC right. FAST attack, SLOW decay, PLEASE! Since it is apparently done in firmware, perhaps this is a potential firmware revision?
I looked for a way to communicate this to Roland / Edirol and failed. They do seem to isolate themselves pretty well.
Paul
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A couple of observations after picking up an R-09 yesterday. It's about the same thickness of a MicroTrack but 1/4" shorter. Although the display is tiny, it is very sharp and the meters are fast and easily viewable. As mentioned in previous posts, once you engage a recording, the plastic ring around the record button illuminates rather brightly. Would have been nice to have the ability to disable the light in the setup menu. Unlike the R1, the R-09 has the addition of a peak light and a battery indicator. The R1 only has a low battery alert in the display which comes on minutes before the unit dies. I wish they had placed the USB jack on the side of the unit rather then behind the battery door, as the battery is mounted on a hinge and is somewhat fragile. With just preliminary tests around the house with my DPA's, the R-09 sounds very good. I'll have to do some comparisons with the R1 at a couple of shows next weekend, but it does seem to have that warm sound I've found in the R1, similar to that of the modSBM-1.
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Mics - I'm wondering as a newbie, (and this may be premature as I'm picking up my R-09 tomorrow after trying and returning the MicroTrack due to battery charging issues) what types of external microphone would be recommended for the R-09? For home posterity recording of bagpipes, fiddle and banjo, and going to music coffeehouse jams to pick up tunes, also the odd concert (acoustic music only, no rock). I am thinking of a single-point stereo mic. With only 3.3V from the unit I assume I need a battery-powered mic.
I was guessing that the Roland accessory mic (to 17Khz) might not exploit the unit's full capabilities; on the other hand, I wonder whether something like a Rode NT-4 might be too good a mic, in that the self-noise of the R-09 circuits etc might be more than the self-noise etc. of the Rode. I have a Sony ECM-957 but it has insufficient bass response.
I see that the AT822 is an unbalanced self-powered mic and was wondering if it would represent the best match for quality and low noise?
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Mics - I'm wondering as a newbie, (and this may be premature as I'm picking up my R-09 tomorrow after trying and returning the MicroTrack due to battery charging issues) what types of external microphone would be recommended for the R-09? For home posterity recording of bagpipes, fiddle and banjo, and going to music coffeehouse jams to pick up tunes, also the odd concert (acoustic music only, no rock). I am thinking of a single-point stereo mic. With only 3.3V from the unit I assume I need a battery-powered mic.
I was guessing that the Roland accessory mic (to 17Khz) might not exploit the unit's full capabilities; on the other hand, I wonder whether something like a Rode NT-4 might be too good a mic, in that the self-noise of the R-09 circuits etc might be more than the self-noise etc. of the Rode. I have a Sony ECM-957 but it has insufficient bass response.
I see that the AT822 is an unbalanced self-powered mic and was wondering if it would represent the best match for quality and low noise?
I can say from personal experience that the AT822 mic is excellent for an unbalanced stereo mic. Very good mid range and low end.
Also Nady has a clone mic (Nady CM-2S) that sound very close to the 822, a bit hotter, and runs about $100 less.
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Have anyone used the R09 "in the field"?
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Have anyone used the R09 "in the field"?
I should be testing one this weekend at Bruce Hornsby in Atlanta......it is on the way from Cascade right now. Will report when I have some results!
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Have anyone used the R09 "in the field"?
yeah i used it friday night to record tony levin. it was just a backup deck, slaved out of my r4.
but i haven't transferred it or listened it, but it looked like it did fine :-)
i'm actually stealthing with it for the first time tomorrow night, probably.
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Has anyone found the ideal case for it yet?
I needed some protection so I bought a nice little "digital camera" case that it fits nicely but it is totally enclosed by the case. I would prefer a case that allows some access to controls. The iPod cases are real close but just a tad too thin for the R9.
Paul
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Body Glove Neoprene Mesh Cellsuit - Smartphone generic case works perfectly, gives access to the front controls and display through a clear cover, and the side power and level buttons are still accessable through the mesh:
http://www.bodyglove.com/products/product_buy.php?uselist=showcase&selected_prod=http%3A%2F%2Fbodyglove.mwrc.net%2Fxml%2Fen%2Fproduct.xml%3Fproduct_id%3D9180%26include_offline_products%3Dyes%26include_offline_retailers%3Dyes
I found mine at BestBuy for about $20.00
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Have anyone used the R09 "in the field"?
yeah i used it friday night to record tony levin. it was just a backup deck, slaved out of my r4.
but i haven't transferred it or listened it, but it looked like it did fine :-)
i'm actually stealthing with it for the first time tomorrow night, probably.
Please let us know your opinions when you've used it. Thanks!
/ R.
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Have anyone used the R09 "in the field"?
I should be testing one this weekend at Bruce Hornsby in Atlanta......it is on the way from Cascade right now. Will report when I have some results!
Looking forward to hear your comments!
/ R.
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Has anyone found the ideal case for it yet?
I needed some protection so I bought a nice little "digital camera" case that it fits nicely but it is totally enclosed by the case. I would prefer a case that allows some access to controls. The iPod cases are real close but just a tad too thin for the R9.
Paul
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Has anyone found the ideal case for it yet?
I needed some protection so I bought a nice little "digital camera" case that it fits nicely but it is totally enclosed by the case. I would prefer a case that allows some access to controls. The iPod cases are real close but just a tad too thin for the R9.
Paul
What about ordering the Edirol factory case advertised as a package with tripod stand? See their website...
Ruari McLennan
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Have anyone used the R09 "in the field"?
I used the R-09 last weekend in a large club. Setup being DPA4061>SPSB-6 (rolloff @ 160Hz)>R-09 (16/48). It performed as expected, flawless. The meters are a little too fast, wish there was a delayed peak hold. The red beacon for the record button is the only change I would make. If that light could be blue, it would exactly like a cell phone in the dark! Now to find a sweatband or I'm cutting some electrical tape in the shape of that light. Thanks Edirol for taking the time to get it right. Well worth the wait.
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Thanks for your report! Nice to hear your thought of the unit.
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I second Elkin's motion on the CellSuit. I never take mine out of the case other than to change batteries, flash, or go USB. Perfect fit.
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Have anyone used the R09 "in the field"?
yeah i used it friday night to record tony levin. it was just a backup deck, slaved out of my r4.
but i haven't transferred it or listened it, but it looked like it did fine :-)
i'm actually stealthing with it for the first time tomorrow night, probably.
and pedro says?.............
I have a question. Is there any way you can do a comp with the r01 and r09? Just curious.
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I have a question. Is there any way you can do a comp with the r01 and r09? Just curious.
Sure, just run the xlr out > r1 and mini out > r09 from your preamp.
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and pedro says?.............
I have a question. Is there any way you can do a comp with the r01 and r09? Just curious.
pedro says that he would have done the r01/r09 comp by now if he hadn't shipped his r01 in for service ~5 days prior to the release of the r09!
but on the other hand, pedro also still hasn't checked out the file written on 6/2/06. pedro is a very bad beta-tester!
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I second Elkin's motion on the CellSuit. I never take mine out of the case other than to change batteries, flash, or go USB. Perfect fit.
FWIW, I found it for a couple bucks less with cheaper shipping here:
http://www.discountcell.com/cellular/bb_aspx/e_treo600/pi_BGMESHSMART/tb_2/1c/p.htm
Looks to be the same thing. BestBuy around here doesn't have it.
Paul
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and pedro says?.............
I have a question. Is there any way you can do a comp with the r01 and r09? Just curious.
pedro says that he would have done the r01/r09 comp by now if he hadn't shipped his r01 in for service ~5 days prior to the release of the r09!
but on the other hand, pedro also still hasn't checked out the file written on 6/2/06. pedro is a very bad beta-tester!
pedro says....love my edirol
pedro says.....really makes a tape
pedro says.....love my edirol there isn't any unit that I love so well. :P
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I second Elkin's motion on the CellSuit. I never take mine out of the case other than to change batteries, flash, or go USB. Perfect fit.
FWIW, I found it for a couple bucks less with cheaper shipping here:
http://www.discountcell.com/cellular/bb_aspx/e_treo600/pi_BGMESHSMART/tb_2/1c/p.htm
Looks to be the same thing. BestBuy around here doesn't have it.
Paul
The case definitely works great. However I also ordered the Edirol mini tripod and case and tripod adapter. This way I can stand the R-09 on a table or mount it ona mic stand to record. Pretty clever of Edirol to put a 1/4 threaded screw on the back of the Ediro case.
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At $50+ for the Edirol case and stand, that makes for a very expensive case if you don't need the stand. Do you know if it is available anywhere without the tripod?
Paul
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At $50+ for the Edirol case and stand, that makes for a very expensive case if you don't need the stand. Do you know if it is available anywhere without the tripod?
Paul
No they only seem to be selling it as a kit. I wouldn't use the stand in most cases, but I can think of a few where it could come in handy for me. The accessories won't be available until July I was told, so I'll have to wait a bit to get mine.
It is on teh expensive side, but hey, who cares it's only money, right. ;D
BTW, these is the 2 parts I was talking about:
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?item=ED-OP-R09C
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?item=ED-OP-R09M
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Some thoughts:
1) I like the stand but 70 bucks for the case/stand combo is absurd. It would have been great if they'd built the tripod socket directly into the unit. Thanks for the suggestion of the Treo case. Maybe I'll try to come up with my own tripod adapter if I buy an R09.
2) That's very good news about the battery runtime. I don't think WAV should give less recording time than MP3 by any significant margin. WAV doesn't take any significant CPU, it just digitizes the sound and copies the A/D output bits directly to the flash card. It's MP3 encoding that's CPU intensive. WAV writes a bigger file, and writing to the card takes some power, but that shouldn't be a large effect.
3) I'd be interested to see runtime measurements for playback. Could the R09 double as a general purpose portable player (instead of an ipod)?
4) I'm pessimistic about the 4GB SD card situation. That message from edirol about the directory structure doesn't make sense. There's a 2GB limit on FAT16 filesystems but that's a FAT16 limitation, not an SD limitation. It's solved by FAT32 (which has a 2GB limit per FILE). There was a 2GB -hardware- limitation on SD cards til recently but the current standard goes up to 16GB, and Patriot has already announced 8GB cards. (The coming SD/HC standard goes to 32GB and has some speed rating standards intended for use by SD video recorders--existing SD cards should be plenty fast enough for audio). Many PDA's support 4GB cards so there's no good reason for Edirol not to unless they are hardware constrained. "We haven't tested 4GB cards" sounds bogus to me--Edirol like anyone else is capable of getting a retail 4GB card and popping it in the unit, so if they haven't done that and said that it works, that means it doesn't work. So, I think the 2GB limitation is a hardware limit that will NOT be fixed by a firmware update. :(
5) Re retaining settings and time/date info, the R09 improves on the R-1 but still messes it up IMO. Any digicam or camcorder remembers settings and the current time across battery changes, maybe using a watch battery, so they should have done the same thing in the R09. The PMD660 (in other regards an inferior unit) also remembers this info, though I'm not sure if it has a separate battery for that.
6) As mentioned elsewhere the absence of a digital input is unfortunate. It would be great to use this with an external A/D converter.
I'd almost certainly buy an R09 in preference to my PMD660 if I didn't already have the PMD660, but as it is, maybe I'll wait for an updated version of the R09 before trading up.
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3) I'd be interested to see runtime measurements for playback. Could the R09 double as a general purpose portable player (instead of an ipod)?
I checked mine when I got it and found the playback current to be nearly identical to the record current at about 245 mA. So your playback run time should equal your record run time.
4) I'm pessimistic about the 4GB SD card situation. That message from edirol about the directory structure doesn't make sense. There's a 2GB limit on FAT16 filesystems but that's a FAT16 limitation, not an SD limitation. It's solved by FAT32 (which has a 2GB limit per FILE). There was a 2GB -hardware- limitation on SD cards til recently but the current standard goes up to 16GB, and Patriot has already announced 8GB cards. (The coming SD/HC standard goes to 32GB and has some speed rating standards intended for use by SD video recorders--existing SD cards should be plenty fast enough for audio). Many PDA's support 4GB cards so there's no good reason for Edirol not to unless they are hardware constrained. "We haven't tested 4GB cards" sounds bogus to me--Edirol like anyone else is capable of getting a retail 4GB card and popping it in the unit, so if they haven't done that and said that it works, that means it doesn't work. So, I think the 2GB limitation is a hardware limit that will NOT be fixed by a firmware update. :(
I sploke with Roland US about that and the answer seems to be that it works but they have not fully tested it. It is one thing to pop in a card, see that it works, and another to thoroughly test it and certify that there are no problems. I don't know the ins and outs of SD card formats so I can't comment on whether there could be snakes in the grass here.
5) Re retaining settings and time/date info, the R09 improves on the R-1 but still messes it up IMO. Any digicam or camcorder remembers settings and the current time across battery changes, maybe using a watch battery, so they should have done the same thing in the R09. The PMD660 (in other regards an inferior unit) also remembers this info, though I'm not sure if it has a separate battery for that.
I have not had the opportunity to test mine yet (still actively playing with it) but it sounds like the clock runs on a capacitor that can become discharged after some number of days with the power off. It is also possible that what they meant was that after a couple days with the batteries removed, the clock dies. I did leave the batteries out for about 30 minutes and the clock remained accurate. I'll have to test it powered off for a week or so..... if it ever comes to pass that I can leave it alone that long ;) But if I had to guess I would say that the clock probably runs on a capacitor that is only used when the batteries are removed.
Paul
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4) I'm pessimistic about the 4GB SD card situation. That message from edirol about the directory structure doesn't make sense. There's a 2GB limit on FAT16 filesystems but that's a FAT16 limitation, not an SD limitation. It's solved by FAT32 (which has a 2GB limit per FILE). There was a 2GB -hardware- limitation on SD cards til recently but the current standard goes up to 16GB, and Patriot has already announced 8GB cards. (The coming SD/HC standard goes to 32GB and has some speed rating standards intended for use by SD video recorders--existing SD cards should be plenty fast enough for audio). Many PDA's support 4GB cards so there's no good reason for Edirol not to unless they are hardware constrained. "We haven't tested 4GB cards" sounds bogus to me--Edirol like anyone else is capable of getting a retail 4GB card and popping it in the unit, so if they haven't done that and said that it works, that means it doesn't work. So, I think the 2GB limitation is a hardware limit that will NOT be fixed by a firmware update. :(
"so if they haven't done that and said that it works, that means it doesn't work" -- that's quite a conclusion you're jumping to. and it's also incorrect. i'm using a 4gb card right now. no issues.
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4) I'm pessimistic about the 4GB SD card situation. That message from edirol about the directory structure doesn't make sense. There's a 2GB limit on FAT16 filesystems but that's a FAT16 limitation, not an SD limitation. It's solved by FAT32 (which has a 2GB limit per FILE). There was a 2GB -hardware- limitation on SD cards til recently but the current standard goes up to 16GB, and Patriot has already announced 8GB cards. (The coming SD/HC standard goes to 32GB and has some speed rating standards intended for use by SD video recorders--existing SD cards should be plenty fast enough for audio). Many PDA's support 4GB cards so there's no good reason for Edirol not to unless they are hardware constrained. "We haven't tested 4GB cards" sounds bogus to me--Edirol like anyone else is capable of getting a retail 4GB card and popping it in the unit, so if they haven't done that and said that it works, that means it doesn't work. So, I think the 2GB limitation is a hardware limit that will NOT be fixed by a firmware update. :(
using a 4gb card right now. no issues.
Woo Hoo! Now tell us how it sounds! ;)
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I did notice one thing: it wouldn't format the card. it just stayed in a loop, i let it run for 5 minutes before i pulled the plug. turns out it didn't even touch the filesystem; the test sessions on the card were still present. so.... i don't know what to say about that one. obviously will test further...
So your saying the R-09 won't format the 4gb card but it will write to it. Are you then pulling the files off the card via a SD card reader or directly from the R-09?
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I did notice one thing: it wouldn't format the card. it just stayed in a loop, i let it run for 5 minutes before i pulled the plug. turns out it didn't even touch the filesystem; the test sessions on the card were still present. so.... i don't know what to say about that one. obviously will test further...
So your saying the R-09 won't format the 4gb card but it will write to it. Are you then pulling the files off the card via a SD card reader or directly from the R-09?
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yes -- will not format the card, but it does write to it, and recognizes the 3.86 gb fat32 partition written in windoze. and yeah, i'm using a card reader.
i have connected to the PC with the r09, but transfers are faster via the card reader.
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How is the gain structure on the R09?
Audio performance?
SNR?
THD?
Graphs?
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How is the gain structure on the R09?
Audio performance?
SNR?
THD?
Graphs?
I have not done actual measurements but from my listening and playing around.....
Compared to the R1, there is quite a bit more mic gain, the S/N ratio seems similar with internal mics, the recording sounds real clean, and the handling noise is lower. I also noticed that the low frequency rumble in the room ambient is reduced with the R9 compared to the R1 under similar conditions. Not sure why.... the low end does not look to be rolled off any. In fact, the frequency response curve in the manual shows a slight rise as you go down in frequency.
I will be taking it with me this weekend to a cello festival so I'll have lots of low frequency recordings come Monday ;) I'll report in.
So far, no firmware glitches that I have noticed. That said.... has anyone else noticed that it doesn't always say "Enjoy recording" when it boots up? Sometimes it just identifies the R-09 model number.
Paul
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FWIW - I've been running my R-9 with a cheap 2GB A Data SD card with no problems. The R-09 would not recognize the card initially, but after updating the R-09 firmware to 1.03 I had no problem formatting the card and running various tests up to the capacity of the card.
This is the card I tested... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820211029
Also, for those adventurous types, the R-09 dismantles easily where you can see the two, extremely bright micro LED's which illuminate the rec button. I put a tiny piece of black electrical tape over each of the LED's to kill off about 95% of the light.
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has anyone else noticed that it doesn't always say "Enjoy recording" when it boots up? Sometimes it just identifies the R-09 model number.
i haven't yet seen this message when booting up ??? ???
and FYI i'm doing a lot of short test recordings this afternoon. i just started a recording session seconds after booting the unit up, and i got a 'SD CARD SLOW' message for a few seconds. hadn't seen that one before -- except in its older brother, the r4.
does SD media require a few seconds to "warm up" prior to a session? i wouldn't think so...
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i just started a recording session seconds after booting the unit up, and i got a 'SD CARD SLOW' message for a few seconds.
this is reproducible. fire up a recording session immediately after bootup, and i get 'SD CARD SLOW' after 0:03 seconds for ~5 seconds, then it writes fine.
i have not seen this 'SD CARD SLOW' problem during writes so far -- and for the r4 lovers in the audience, it's not related to vibration or deep bass either. only occuring immediately after bootup.
anyone else see the same behaviour? i'm on a transcend 4gb.
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i haven't yet seen this message when booting up ??? ???
Look along the top right side of the animated graphic during boot. It scrolls quickly and then is gone.
Paul
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I've just put batteries back in mine after leaving them out for a couple of days, and the time & date have held.
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yes -- will not format the card, but it does write to it, and recognizes the 3.86 gb fat32 partition written in windoze. and yeah, i'm using a card reader.
i have connected to the PC with the r09, but transfers are faster via the card reader.
+T, sleepypedro.
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How is the gain structure on the R09?
Audio performance?
SNR?
THD?
Graphs?
I have not done actual measurements but from my listening and playing around.....
Compared to the R1, there is quite a bit more mic gain, the S/N ratio seems similar with internal mics, the recording sounds real clean, and the handling noise is lower. I also noticed that the low frequency rumble in the room ambient is reduced with the R9 compared to the R1 under similar conditions. Not sure why.... the low end does not look to be rolled off any. In fact, the frequency response curve in the manual shows a slight rise as you go down in frequency.
Thanks for the info. Some real tests/graphs would be very welcome.
What is the max signal level that it can handle?
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Thanks for the info. Some real tests/graphs would be very welcome.
What is the max signal level that it can handle?
Max signal level.... you mean volts into the line input? I don't have the test equipment to check that handy at the moment. Maybe someone else can check it.
Paul
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Is anyone aware of any line stage mods being done on this unit?
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Hi,
Well after much anticipation ;D my R-09 is finally en route....FedEx has it and I should see it on Tuesday.....My question is what kind of SD cards are you guys using and where did you get them ?.....I would like to get a 4 gig , just to be safe .....What brands work ?....I dont know what kind of 2 gig cards Edirol have been testing...I use the 4gig 45X Kingston in my R-01 and HD-P2, it works flawlessly....Next I use a Mac (G5) and I understand that the 4gig cards need to be formatted on a PC so the R-09 can read/write to the whole card......How can I do this on my Mac ?? I also have a PC, but it's a long story...I understand one of the card manufacturers have a downloadable utility to format the card ......Is this available for Mac and anybody got a link ?... I have a show coming up in two weeks and I would like to use the R-09...
Thanks for all you help....
Peace
jk
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For those who are curious as to how the Edirol R-09 performs. I did a few quick tests using teh R-09, while miccing one of mt M-Audio DX-4 monitor speakers.
1. R-09's built in stereo mic input
2. AT822 straight into R-09's 1/8 mic input
3. AT822 mic fed into PSC Promix 3 mixer, fed into R-09's 1/8 line input
I have posted my results here:
http://lvproductions.net/audiosamples.htm
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For those who are curious as to how the Edirol R-09 performs. I did a few quick tests using teh R-09, while miccing one of mt M-Audio DX-4 monitor speakers.
1. R-09's built in stereo mic input
2. AT822 straight into R-09's 1/8 mic input
3. AT822 mic fed into PSC Promix 3 mixer, fed into R-09's 1/8 line input
I have posted my results here:
http://lvproductions.net/audiosamples.htm
Excellen++++++++T
Well, the performance isn't really excellent, but your post is.
Hmm. There is a fair amount of self-noise *in the preamp* on the AT822.
I'll have to think about this purchase a little more. MD doesn't seem to have *that* much self noise even. Of course, I don't know the input and recording levels involved.
Richard
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For those who are curious as to how the Edirol R-09 performs. I did a few quick tests using teh R-09, while miccing one of mt M-Audio DX-4 monitor speakers.
1. R-09's built in stereo mic input
2. AT822 straight into R-09's 1/8 mic input
3. AT822 mic fed into PSC Promix 3 mixer, fed into R-09's 1/8 line input
I have posted my results here:
http://lvproductions.net/audiosamples.htm
Hey, one question: Did you move the AT822 between the two samples?
I noticed that the line-in version just seemed to have more "presence". More of a stereo image in particular. Maybe that is just the quality/influence of the builtin mic pre that I'm hearing.
Oh yeah, who is the singer?
Richard
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dixie chicks
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Wow. I am really liking everything I'm reading so far. Might have to pick one of these up down the road.
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For those who are curious as to how the Edirol R-09 performs. I did a few quick tests using teh R-09, while miccing one of mt M-Audio DX-4 monitor speakers.
1. R-09's built in stereo mic input
2. AT822 straight into R-09's 1/8 mic input
3. AT822 mic fed into PSC Promix 3 mixer, fed into R-09's 1/8 line input
I have posted my results here:
http://lvproductions.net/audiosamples.htm
Excellen++++++++T
Well, the performance isn't really excellent, but your post is.
Hmm. There is a fair amount of self-noise *in the preamp* on the AT822.
I'll have to think about this purchase a little more. MD doesn't seem to have *that* much self noise even. Of course, I don't know the input and recording levels involved.
Richard
Richard the noise that you are hearing from the AT822, is unfirtunately my computers fan noise, as I have 3 fans in my case that was running at the time.
Also, unfortunately the mic was in a slightly differnt position for the recording using my Promix 3 mixer. I realized afterward that the mic was slightly off center to he right of the woofer. This might be the reason for the slightly better less bassy recording.
However, due to the low cut filters and limiters in the Promix 3, most of the noise from my computer fan ws eliminated. This could also be due to the fact that because of teh limiters in the mixer, I wsa able to feed the R-09 a stronger signal, hense eliminating the low sound floor.
This was just a quick test, to see what the R-09 could do, between built in mic, external mic, and mixer line in feed to R-09.
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Hey, one question: Did you move the AT822 between the two samples?
I noticed that the line-in version just seemed to have more "presence". More of a stereo image in particular. Maybe that is just the quality/influence of the builtin mic pre that I'm hearing.
Oh yeah, who is the singer?
Richard
Richard, yes, the mic was in a slightly different position for the recording using my Promix 3 mixer.
I realized afterward that the mic was slightly off center to the right of the woofer.
This might be the reason for the slightly better more accurate stereo.
Also, because of the low cut filters and limiters in the Promix 3, most of the noise from my computer fan was eliminated, and I was able to feed the R-09 a hotter signal eliminating the low sound floor.
Much more detailed tests to come, using my mixer a matched pair of Rode NT5 mics (BTW, I don' want to hear it, the NT5's have worked great for me ;D).
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I taped an acoustic guitar/fiddle jam with the R-09 and was very pleased; more challengingly, I taped myself on Highland Bagpipes and found that the sound is very good even from the internal mics; although it is possible that the Microtrack with its supplied T-mic gave a slightly bassier, fuller sound. It is very unusual to find a small pocket recorder that will do anything like an acceptable job of taping bagpipes (I can hear the jokes comiing already) but really, Minidisc (my Sharp 877) doesn't work at all. The ATRAC-3 MD compression system seems to reproduce high >20 Khz harmonics in the audible <20 Khz spectrum ,causing a high whistling interference. Cassettes are just unacceptable for bagpipes, the dynamic range is too low. No such probs with the R-09 (or the Microtrack). The ease of use, & Duracell AA batteries (which haven't run down, unlike the internal Microtrack battery) makes this the clear winner over the Microtrack for me. After 30 years I can actually tape bagpipes and it have it sound pretty good, like the real thing. I'm chuffed. No need for that PC interface, preamps, mics etc I was thinking of buying.
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After 30 years I can actually tape bagpipes and it have it sound pretty good, like the real thing. I'm chuffed.
where's the torrent, y0 8)
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After 30 years I can actually tape bagpipes and it have it sound pretty good, like the real thing. I'm chuffed.
MP3 or WAV?
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Richard the noise that you are hearing from the AT822, is unfirtunately my computers fan noise, as I have 3 fans in my case that was running at the time.
Also, unfortunately the mic was in a slightly differnt position for the recording using my Promix 3 mixer. I realized afterward that the mic was slightly off center to he right of the woofer. This might be the reason for the slightly better less bassy recording.
vegas06, THANKS a lot for clearing that up. I was beginning to question my current pre-order for the R-09, and wondering if I should perhaps cancel it. Now I'm feeling a lot more confident about the purchase, and if nothing else, I want to try it out and see how I like it.
Also, do I hear you typing on your keyboard in the first R-09 sound sample? ;D
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Used my R-09 in the field last night for the first time, also ran my R1 at the same time but I did not run a comparison test. Had zero problems running either unit. The R-09 is a breeze to use in the field under dark conditions. The display on the R-09 is always lit at a low level which is all you need to see everything clearly in a dark environment. If you use the hold button on the R-1, you can't turn the backlight on unless you disengage the hold button. On the R1, you have to toggle between display modes to view the recording levels and then see the time elapsed/remaining screen, where on the R-09, all the info is viewable on one screen.
Unlike both the R-1 and the MicroTrack, you have the ability to rename a file directly with the R-09. One big hindrance with the R-09 is that the unit resets it's default naming scheme with every formatted card you put in the unit. So if you’re recording a show using two different SD cards, at the end of the night you will have two different files, one on each card, with the same file name. ex-R09_0001.wav on card one - and R09_0001.wav on card two. So be careful not to overwrite one of the files when downloading both SD cards to your PC/MAC
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After 30 years I can actually tape bagpipes and it have it sound pretty good, like the real thing. I'm chuffed.
where's the torrent, y0 8)
Torrent???
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After 30 years I can actually tape bagpipes and it have it sound pretty good, like the real thing. I'm chuffed.
MP3 or WAV?
So far, I've only tried CD quality WAV 16 bit, 44.1 Khz
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Richard the noise that you are hearing from the AT822, is unfirtunately my computers fan noise, as I have 3 fans in my case that was running at the time.
Also, unfortunately the mic was in a slightly differnt position for the recording using my Promix 3 mixer. I realized afterward that the mic was slightly off center to he right of the woofer. This might be the reason for the slightly better less bassy recording.
vegas06, THANKS a lot for clearing that up. I was beginning to question my current pre-order for the R-09, and wondering if I should perhaps cancel it. Now I'm feeling a lot more confident about the purchase, and if nothing else, I want to try it out and see how I like it.
PHEW! Me too, I had just ordered an AT822 for my R-09, glad to hear some of that noise was external. But I do like the Promix 3 sound.
Also, do I hear you typing on your keyboard in the first R-09 sound sample? ;D
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vegas06, THANKS a lot for clearing that up. I was beginning to question my current pre-order for the R-09, and wondering if I should perhaps cancel it. Now I'm feeling a lot more confident about the purchase, and if nothing else, I want to try it out and see how I like it.
Also, do I hear you typing on your keyboard in the first R-09 sound sample? ;D
He he, yep I realized that as well ;D. Actually if you listen real close, I am typing in the first two samples (AT822 and Internal mic).
I believe that my typing was picked up more in the internal mic test.
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FYI- I bought an ordinary plain old SanDisk 2 Gb card for my R-09, and it works well. You don't need a high-speed card such as those required for photography (eg. Ultra II).
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I spoke with Roland and they told me the high speed cards write in "bursts" and that is why they are bad for audio. Audio needs steady stream of data...like the "slower" cards employ. I received my R-09 Thursday and have been carrying it with me. I have recorded ~20 miscellaneous things and when I went to transfer to PC, the poop hit the fan...the PC recognized the R-09, but didn't see any files...I reformatted the SD assuming that it would lose all those recordings, but when it was done formatting...much to my surprise... the recordings were available and recognized by the PC...and the played fine, so this is a heads up to other R-09 users that you too could run into the "Initial Data Transfer Bug"...
Studiodawg
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It came today.....Here are a few pics....I had a Marware ipod case laying around...fits good.....The R-09 is very NICE.....easy to use.....sounds great......I'm burning some bits (TV) right now to check it out....So far, so good......
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i did an audience master with it for the first time last night -- beautiful. i'll likely track it and archive.org it shortly. will post link when ready...
(for clarity, i've run it a few times already, just always patched out of the r4. last night, it flew solo...)
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i did an audience master with it for the first time last night -- beautiful. i'll likely track it and archive.org it shortly. will post link when ready...
(for clarity, i've run it a few times already, just always patched out of the r4. last night, it flew solo...)
Did you use the built in or external mic?
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i did an audience master with it for the first time last night -- beautiful. i'll likely track it and archive.org it shortly. will post link when ready...
(for clarity, i've run it a few times already, just always patched out of the r4. last night, it flew solo...)
Looking forward to hear your recording as I've just ordered the R09 myself yesterday :-)
/ R.
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i did an audience master with it for the first time last night -- beautiful. i'll likely track it and archive.org it shortly. will post link when ready...
(for clarity, i've run it a few times already, just always patched out of the r4. last night, it flew solo...)
Did you use the built in or external mic?
schoeps mk4v > vms02ib > edirol r09
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I have been trying to catch up on the R-09, but this thread is way to long.
What I have figured out, I think. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Can only have a 2 gb card. (Don't have to worry about the 2gb limit, you have to switch out the whole card)
No digital in ?
Can only record at 24/48- analog only
Is this right?
If so how can this be better then a Microtrack as a bit bucket?
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Can only have a 2 gb card. (Don't have to worry about the 2gb limit, you have to switch out the whole card)
I believe some are having success formatting a 4GB card on another device and using it in the R9. I don't think this is supported officially at the moment, though.
No digital in ?
Correct.
Can only record at 24/48- analog only
Correct.
If so how can this be better then a Microtrack as a bit bucket?
It isn't. It's better as an analog-in recorder.
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Thank you.
Saved me 6 of 12 pages.
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Seems like a step backwards.
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Seems like a step backwards.
If all you're looking for is a bit bucket, it's obviously not a good fit. But for those in the market for an analog-in recorder, it seems (so far, brand new after all) it's a big step forward over the R1 and other options.
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Thank you.
Saved me 6 of 12 pages.
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Seems like a step backwards.
thats what i thought, the only plus to the r09 vs mt is that none have blown up, imo
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thats what i thought, the only plus to the r09 vs mt is that none have blown up, imo
Again, if all you want is a bit-bucket, the R9 isn't for you. For analog-in, the UI is far better than the MT. And as people use it more, we'll find out how it compares sonically to the MT and R1 (I've not heard any direct comps yet). The MT offers mediocre analog-in performance, at best, IMO.
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thats what i thought, the only plus to the r09 vs mt is that none have blown up, imo
Again, if all you want is a bit-bucket, the R9 isn't for you. For analog-in, the UI is far better than the MT. And as people use it more, we'll find out how it compares sonically to the MT and R1 (I've not heard any direct comps yet). The MT offers mediocre analog-in performance, at best, IMO.
but i fi was to go digi in from a ua5 and/or want to go at 96 vs 48 then its better in your opinion?
i just want to see what would be best for me
thanks
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but i fi was to go digi in from a ua5 and/or want to go at 96 vs 48 then its better in your opinion?
If you want to run digi-in to a recorder, or at 96 kHz sample rate, then the R9 is not for you. It does not support digital inputs or 96 kHz sample rate. So, no, in that specific case, it's not better since it's not even possible. But for those running analog-in from a preamp, or mics + battery box, the R9 may prove better than the MT. We'll see.
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I have ran analog into my JB3 twice.
I see no need to bypass my equipment so I can go Analog.
I don't stealth.
I respect the artists I tape. If they don't want me to record, I don't.
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I have ran analog into my JB3 twice.
I see no need to bypass my equipment so I can go Analog.
Then it's clear the R9 is not the best choice for you.
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Yup, you are right.
Now I just have to save up for one of the other choices.
I am guessing a year, and who knows what will be available then.
Then again, if my jb3 backup dies, it could be sooner.
Then the MT could be my back up instead of my JB3.
Who knows, maybe someday I won't run a backup. I doubt it though.
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I've compared the a/d in the R1 @24/44 vs the a/d in the V3 @24/48 and based on what I heard and the opinions of at least 3 other tapers I trust, we all felt the R1 was as good as the V3 after dithered down in Wavelab using UV22HR.
Compare the UA5's a/d vs. the R09's a/d and you might get the same results.
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ftp: tapers.org
user: ftp4all
pass: ftp4all
look for r09_test.flac24
i am uploading the rest of this show to archive.org right now, but for now, here's a one minute sample of ...
Carbon Leaf
June 13th, 2006
Ram's Head Onstage
Annapolis MD
*** THIS IS A 24-BIT FILESET NOT INTENDED FOR AUDIO CD ***
SOURCE: schoeps mk4v (DINa, 10' from stage, clamped 7' up, DFC) > vms02ib > custom hyperconductor BNC - 1/8" interconnect > edirol r09 (24/48)
PROCESSING: soundforge 8.0 (tracking, fades) > flac 1.1.2
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ftp: tapers.org
user: ftp4all
pass: ftp4all
look for r09_test.flac24
i am uploading the rest of this show to archive.org right now, but for now, here's a one minute sample of ...
Carbon Leaf
June 13th, 2006
Ram's Head Onstage
Annapolis MD
*** THIS IS A 24-BIT FILESET NOT INTENDED FOR AUDIO CD ***
SOURCE: schoeps mk4v (DINa, 10' from stage, clamped 7' up, DFC) > vms02ib > custom hyperconductor BNC - 1/8" interconnect > edirol r09 (24/48)
PROCESSING: soundforge 8.0 (tracking, fades) > flac 1.1.2
Thanks! This will be very interesting!
/ R.
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Is there one file, or is there a comparison file also?
I don't doubt it sounds good, I was just wondering if there is a source from the same type of mics from the same location?
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Is there one file, or is there a comparison file also?
I don't doubt it sounds good, I was just wondering if there is a source from the same type of mics from the same location?
it's not a gear comparison. people said they wanted to hear a sample, i give them a sample.
now, i give them the entire 24/48 show:
http://www.archive.org/details/cl2006-06-13.mk4v.flac24
my r1 is getting repaired. if i had it in hand, i'm sure i'd have given some thought to gear comps, but i haven't. :P
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Getting stoked. Sound Professionals called and said the R-09 that I ordered should be shipping out to me on Monday. Woohoo! :D
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Seems like a step backwards.
If all you're looking for is a bit bucket, it's obviously not a good fit. But for those in the market for an analog-in recorder, it seems (so far, brand new after all) it's a big step forward over the R1 and other options.
exactly. Its seems like a great unit for 'under the radar' 24 bit its gonna be great in so many aspects!
I am buying mine today or monday. Again is oade doing any mods. I dont think they even have it yet.
dd
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Seems like a step backwards.
If all you're looking for is a bit bucket, it's obviously not a good fit. But for those in the market for an analog-in recorder, it seems (so far, brand new after all) it's a big step forward over the R1 and other options.
exactly. Its seems like a great unit for 'under the radar' 24 bit its gonna be great in so many aspects!
I am buying mine today or monday. Again is oade doing any mods. I dont think they even have it yet.
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I remember Oade posting back before the Microtrack first came out that he wouldn't (or couldn't) be doing mods on the line-in or gain stage because the digital button-operated level control on the unit would be much too impractical to attempt to hack, if even at all possible. Since the R-09 appears to have a similarly setup level control using buttons instead of the manual dial, I imagine it goes the same for that one. With the new digi-recorders I think that ones with level "dials" like the R-1 and Marantz models can be improved noise and gain wise, whereas digital button models like the Microtrack and R-09 cannot. Although, I of course could be mistaken.
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R-09 users -
Will this 4GB card work with the unit? It says it's "Ultra Speed" which I've read is not good for the R-09.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820163159&CMP=BAC-tbcpc
One Day Sale
Transcend Ultra Speed 4GB Secure Digital (SD) Flash Media Model TS4GSD150 - Retail
Model #: TS4GSD150
Item #: N82E16820163159
In Stock
$30.00 Mail-In Rebate
$4.99 Three Day Shipping (Not available in HI, AK and PR)
$103.99
($73.99 after $30.00 Mail-In Rebate)
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that's the card i'm using right now, george. i can write/read to the card, but i can't format the filesystem with the R09 unit currently.
once the next firmware is out and 4gb is officially supported, it should be good to go.
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that's the card i'm using right now, george. i can write/read to the card, but i can't format the filesystem with the R09 unit currently.
once the next firmware is out and 4gb is officially supported, it should be good to go.
how do you format? With a PC every time? That seems cumbersome
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how do you format? With a PC every time? That seems cumbersome
for the moment, yeah. and certainly not ideal, i admit. but i can accept it for now; this will change with the next firmware update!
consider a show that runs 2:10. i'd certainly rather have 2x 2 hour sessions at my disposal on a single card, rather than having to swap cards out quickly during an encore break.
with two 120 minute sessions available on a 4gb card, it covers 99.9% of my routine recording. festivals? no... but there are on-the-go drives for those scenarios.
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how do you format? With a PC every time? That seems cumbersome
for the moment, yeah. and certainly not ideal, i admit. but i can accept it for now; this will change with the next firmware update!
consider a show that runs 2:10. i'd certainly rather have 2x 2 hour sessions at my disposal on a single card, rather than having to swap cards out quickly during an encore break.
with two 120 minute sessions available on a 4gb card, it covers 99.9% of my routine recording. festivals? no... but there are on-the-go drives for those scenarios.
OK. That is what I thought. I am glad to hear they will update the firmware to eliminate this issue. I agree that using 1 4g is much better than 2 2g. I am done with tape card flipping. Its so 20th century.
On the go drives. Is there a way to connect r09 directly to a drive and copy files to it without a pc?
thanks for the information.
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On the go drives. Is there a way to connect r09 directly to a drive and copy files to it without a pc?
thanks for the information.
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I'm sure this is just one among dozens out there - but I believe this drive would transfer directly from the miniusb of the R-09.
http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=104&SpNo=2&LangNo=0
Transfers at a rate of 4mb sec - so a little over 8-minutes to transfer a 2gig card in the field. Battery lasts 1.5hr of continous copy.
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edit: Everyone's going to have their own take on it - but I think I'd rather spend the money on extra SD cards then to rely on a battery operated copy device in the field. I could just be biased due to all the laptop hard drives I throw in the can on a weekly basis at work...
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does this take flash cards or SD cards? if they accept SD cards, are they as cheap/easy to get as flash cards?
i briefly read about it in my bh photo magazine they always send me but dont remmeber anything about it :P
sweet if running something like schoeps actives>lemosax/vms>r-9 like you ran sleepypedro, nice and lo-pro :)
so since going analog in, it doesnt have to be bit-perfect correct? sorry i am having a barinfart and cant remmebr if that matters
what analog inputs does it accept? 1/4" ? it seems so small that seems to be the only option
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Here is what I have been using to transfer my SD cards from the R-09. 40GB drive, its very fast, got on ebay for $160 with a spare battery: http://www.smartdisk.com/eWeb/smartdiskus/www/staticpages/FlashTrax1.asp (http://www.smartdisk.com/eWeb/smartdiskus/www/staticpages/FlashTrax1.asp) It think it runs a variety of Linux.
I use it after I fill the 2 - 2GB cards. Because this is much cheaper than buying 20 - 2GB cards which would be $1000. I like it better than the USB OTG drives since it can be used for a lot more like pictures from my digital camera, and a picture viewer, and as a mp3 and wav player. It transfers fast, about 20 mins for a full 2GB card which is around 14Mb/sec. Transfers 3 full 2GB cards on a charge and the battery is easy to swap. Large 3.5" screen thats nice for previewing pics.
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On the go drives. Is there a way to connect r09 directly to a drive and copy files to it without a pc?
thanks for the information.
dd
I'm sure this is just one among dozens out there - but I believe this drive would transfer directly from the miniusb of the R-09.
http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=104&SpNo=2&LangNo=0
Transfers at a rate of 4mb sec - so a little over 8-minutes to transfer a 2gig card in the field. Battery lasts 1.5hr of continous copy.
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I think you did your math wrong there, thats 4mb (bits) /sec where the card is 2GB (bytes) so it would take almost 70 minutes to copy full 2GB since there are 8 bits per byte plus some overhead.
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Here is what I have been using to transfer my SD cards from the R-09. 40GB drive, its very fast, got on ebay for $160 with a spare battery: http://www.smartdisk.com/eWeb/smartdiskus/www/staticpages/FlashTrax1.asp (http://www.smartdisk.com/eWeb/smartdiskus/www/staticpages/FlashTrax1.asp) It think it runs a variety of Linux.
I use it after I fill the 2 - 2GB cards. Because this is much cheaper than buying 20 - 2GB cards which would be $1000. I like it better than the USB OTG drives since it can be used for a lot more like pictures from my digital camera, and a picture viewer, and as a mp3 and wav player. It transfers fast, about 20 mins for a full 2GB card which is around 14Mb/sec. Transfers 3 full 2GB cards on a charge and the battery is easy to swap. Large 3.5" screen thats nice for previewing pics.
20 mins for a 2GB card is kinda slow IMO, but as long as it works for you :)
i think 20 mins for a 2GB card is nowhere near 14/MB sec isnt it ??? more like 4/MB/sec isnt it ???
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that is a sweet OTG drive tho, nice screen ;D
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20 mins for a 2GB card is kinda slow IMO, but as long as it works for you :)
i think 20 mins for a 2GB card is nowhere near 14/MB sec isnt it ??? more like 4/MB/sec isnt it ???
I think you got your bits and bytes messed up too, transfer rates are in bits, the cards are Bytes.
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20 mins for a 2GB card is kinda slow IMO, but as long as it works for you :)
i think 20 mins for a 2GB card is nowhere near 14/MB sec isnt it ??? more like 4/MB/sec isnt it ???
I think you got your bits and bytes messed up too, transfer rates are in bits, the cards are Bytes.
ahh, damn, i even went to school for electronics and this is still confusing at times :)
thanks for the clarification tho :)
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A co-worker of mine just showed me a photobank he just purchased on ebay for 32$ with shipping from China. Took five days to get here from China at close of ebay auction. Check it out...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7631314165&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:2
The unit is actually pretty damn solid - and the screen looks great. Just install the laptop drive of your choice and your ready to go.
Here's a link to the manufacturer. http://www.cenda.com.cn/en/product_fd.asp?ProductID=73
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edit: Everyone's going to have their own take on it - but I think I'd rather spend the money on extra SD cards then to rely on a battery operated copy device in the field. I could just be biased due to all the laptop hard drives I throw in the can on a weekly basis at work...
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SD cards will be expensive for an all day festival another ~$500 to get 12hrs of course one is necessary. I dont know....
you make a good point about the drive stability especially in the field where power may be more variable and the draw from the drive may not be met at times causing it to sieze over time.
dd
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SD cards will be expensive ...~$500 to get 12hrs
dd
These days, a 2GB card, which stores 2 hours of stereo 24/48 recording, costs about $50.
So 12 hours = 6 cards = $300, not $500.
For the same money, consider three 4GB cards, even if they can't be formatted in the R-09.
A 4GB card costs about $90 each.
For a price check, see www.dealram.com or www.pricegrabber.com
Flintstone
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Just got back from my first R-09 show ;D
So much easier & less hassle than my old Sharp MD recorder. I covered the police siren red light with some velcro. Recorded for around 2hrs (16/44 wav) and the battery indicator hasn't gone down a notch. Here's a quick mp3 :-X sample (currently capped to 64k upload, so yah, no flac!):
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=7AF7630F164A7C88
17 rows back in front of left stack. SP-BMC-9 mics rolled off @ 195Hz.
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does r09 have an over light?
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The R-09 has a clip light.
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Also, for those adventurous types, the R-09 dismantles easily where you can see the two, extremely bright micro LED's which illuminate the rec button. I put a tiny piece of black electrical tape over each of the LED's to kill off about 95% of the light.
Yeah, that is a bit adventurous.
I wonder if another trick would help. I've done this on other bright, conspicuous lights.
Use a little colored nail polish. This is another reason why having a girlfriend is handy. You usually have a pick of any color and it dulls the brightness but doesn't eliminate it.
I haven't seen a R-09 in person yet so I can't recommend it, per se.
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Recently received mine and noticed that the OED display is slightly crooked in the way it's mounted in the display window. Any one else experience this? The convenience of the R-09 beats my MD by a mile and I'm happy with the sound quality so far, but I have to say the build quality is not as high as I expected.
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For the same money, consider three 4GB cards, even if they can't be formatted in the R-09.
A 4GB card costs about $90 each.
Flintstone
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excuse my lack of knowledge, but in what manner (and what hardware/software) would a 4 GB card be formated? [ since it can't be done on the Edirol). Does one use a usb card reader? If so, can anyone recommend an inexpensive unit?
thanks for advice
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For the same money, consider three 4GB cards, even if they can't be formatted in the R-09.
A 4GB card costs about $90 each.
Flintstone
I haven't used it to format an sd card for my r09 yet (order in) however, I found one at best buy for $39 that works well with the cf card my r01 uses and seems to have all the ports for 4 other cards. I will put the link to what it is tomorrow. Going to bed now!
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excuse my lack of knowledge, but in what manner (and what hardware/software) would a 4 GB card be formated? [ since it can't be done on the Edirol). Does one use a usb card reader? If so, can anyone recommend an inexpensive unit?
thanks for advice.
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I found one at best buy for $39 that works well with the cf card my r01 uses and seems to have all the ports for 4 other cards.
what todd said -- except fock bestbuy. any generic card reader should do it, available from basically any online retailer for around eight or nine bucks.
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I found one at best buy for $39 that works well with the cf card my r01 uses and seems to have all the ports for 4 other cards.
what todd said -- except fock bestbuy. any generic card reader should do it, available from basically any online retailer for around eight or nine bucks.
hey, when in a jam.....i needed a reader that day. I also have a less expensive one that I paid $13 for and it does not read the kingston 4g 45x cf card. that is why I needed the 'new' one.
the first one was a dazzle....did not work well with the cf card. microdrives...forget it.
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the first one was a dazzle....did not work well with the cf card. microdrives...forget it.
double-dizzel, are you saying that the dazzle was a piece of shizzel?
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Edirol seems to avoid giving any real specifications. Anyone got any idea what the REAL bit depth is, taking the machine's inherent noise into account?
Maybe they learned a lesson from M-Audio, who told people exactly what they were paying for, and it wasn't 24 bits, and decided to just let that issue remain unaddressed, rather than make for certain disappointment in their customers. Still, I'd sure like to know what the truth is.
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Edirol seems to avoid giving any real specifications. Anyone got any idea what the REAL bit depth is, taking the machine's inherent noise into account?
Maybe they learned a lesson from M-Audio, who told people exactly what they were paying for, and it wasn't 24 bits, and decided to just let that issue remain unaddressed, rather than make for certain disappointment in their customers. Still, I'd sure like to know what the truth is.
What exactly fo you mean? I don't get what your referrring to here.
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Edirol seems to avoid giving any real specifications. Anyone got any idea what the REAL bit depth is, taking the machine's inherent noise into account?
Maybe they learned a lesson from M-Audio, who told people exactly what they were paying for, and it wasn't 24 bits, and decided to just let that issue remain unaddressed, rather than make for certain disappointment in their customers. Still, I'd sure like to know what the truth is.
I am confused.....an MT is not 24bit?
I thought that the edirol unit was definitely 24 bit....am I wrong about that? What about r01?
Sometimes when I read this site I have more questions than answers ::)
Thanks to all who help me answer them.
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I don't think I've seen this mentioned.. Not all card readers can handle a 4GB SD card.. Here are some tests of commonly avail cards..
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/4gb-sd.shtml
Anyone know of any dealers with r09's in stock?
Not sure of any online dealers, but I was in a local Sam Ash for an adapter and they had the R09 in stock.
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OK, never mind. I just found S/N specs for the R09, and they're really not very good--a lot worse than the MT. Funny--over on the MT side of things that discovery was one of the things that sent people off screaming for the R09--then the R09 comes along, and it's poor, by comparison.
Hmmm. I guess it was just the unobtanium factor again......
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OK, never mind. I just found S/N specs for the R09, and they're really not very good--a lot worse than the MT. Funny--over on the MT side of things that discovery was one of the things that sent people off screaming for the R09--then the R09 comes along, and it's poor, by comparison.
Hmmm. I guess it was just the unobtanium factor again......
If you're talking about the specs from the soundpros site, they're just copied from the R-1, I have seen no official published specs on the R-09 and only testing will show actual S/N as m-audio was busted for listing the specs of their internal A/D chip not actual in device specs.
peace, chris
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Not sure of any online dealers, but I was in a local Sam Ash for an adapter and they had the R09 in stock.
thanks to neutrino, i picked mine up yesterday (sunday) from sam ash.
www.samashmusic.com to find one near you.
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I don't think I've seen this mentioned.. Not all card readers can handle a 4GB SD card.. Here are some tests of commonly avail cards..
I had the same issue with XP only seeing 1gb of the 4gb chip.
This card reader works... http://ec.transcendusa.com/product/ItemDetail.asp?ItemID=TS-RD13S
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Thanks for the sam ash rec but the nearest store is 128 miles.. Guess I'll give guitar center a call in a few to see if they've got'em.
ummm, i'm betting that samash.com would have no issues with shipping one to you?
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Ooooo. I see the pro-Edirol bias is really strong in these parts--just asking a pointed quesiton about the R09's performance and noting their lack of providing any meaninful specs cost me 4 ts!
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Ooooo. I see the pro-Edirol bias is really strong in these parts--just asking a pointed quesiton about the R09's performance and noting their lack of providing any meaninful specs cost me 4 ts!
Tell me exactly what specs say about the actual sound of the unit?
That is the real question: How does it sound? Not how good are the specs, IMO.
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Not sure of any online dealers, but I was in a local Sam Ash for an adapter and they had the R09 in stock.
thanks to neutrino, i picked mine up yesterday (sunday) from sam ash.
www.samashmusic.com to find one near you.
What's the going deal on these anyway? $349 I'm guessing?
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Pro-Audio wasn't BS'ing last week when they said they were getting a few in... I have a tracking number and it will be here wednesday :)
I received mine on Friday from Pro Audio...
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OK, never mind. I just found S/N specs for the R09, and they're really not very good--a lot worse than the MT. Funny--over on the MT side of things that discovery was one of the things that sent people off screaming for the R09--then the R09 comes along, and it's poor, by comparison.
Hmmm. I guess it was just the unobtanium factor again......
If you're talking about the specs from the soundpros site, they're just copied from the R-1, I have seen no official published specs on the R-09 and only testing will show actual S/N as m-audio was busted for listing the specs of their internal A/D chip not actual in device specs.
peace, chris
forgive my ignorance here. Will someone please explain this to me?
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forgive my ignorance here. Will someone please explain this to me?
The mt has great specs but the analog section isn't close to meeting them. Huge amounts of background noise. I am not surprised to hear that the specs they gave are of the chipset they used and not of the actual device. That's fraud.. I heard it within seconds of first plugging my 4061's into the mt.. Hiss.. But it is a decent 24 bit bitbucket..
So with that loud noise floor there isn't much difference in range between the background hiss and the loudest noise. I'd guess that 16 bit something > modsbm tapes could have more net resolution/dynamic gain/etc. That's what folks are implying when they say the mt doesn't have 24 bit resolution/range/etc. The noise floor is a big problem on jazz, folk or any other source that has quiet parts. But it is not so much of a problem for T**l.
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forgive my ignorance here. Will someone please explain this to me?
The mt has great specs but the analog section isn't close to meeting them. Huge amounts of background noise. I am not surprised to hear that the specs they gave are of the chipset they used and not of the actual device. That's fraud.. I heard it within seconds of first plugging my 4061's into the mt.. Hiss.. But it is a decent 24 bit bitbucket..
So with that loud noise floor there isn't much difference in range between the background hiss and the loudest noise. I'd guess that 16 bit something > modsbm tapes could have more net resolution/dynamic gain/etc. That's what folks are implying when they say the mt doesn't have 24 bit resolution/range/etc. The noise floor is a big problem on jazz, folk or any other source that has quiet parts. But it is not so much of a problem for T**l.
so what this other person is saying is that the r09 is even worse than the MT?
I dont use my r01 for non 'under the radar' recording often. I guess I should keep it that way.
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Freelunch is talking about the MT only, and how its specs are fraud. The R-09 preamp is far better than the MT and slightly better than the R-01 which most people agree has a decent pre. Specs have never been released on the R-09, and I agree that specs don't matter its how it sounds.
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hopefully this is the last question I have on this part of the discussion. So its only when you use the pre right. I use an outboard pre when I use my r01 and when I will be using my r09. The analog stage is still used however, the pre in the edirol unit would not be. So this doesn't effect me directly is that right?
Thanks for all your guys' help! I just want to understand better.
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forgive my ignorance here. Will someone please explain this to me?
The mt has great specs but the analog section isn't close to meeting them. Huge amounts of background noise. I am not surprised to hear that the specs they gave are of the chipset they used and not of the actual device. That's fraud.. I heard it within seconds of first plugging my 4061's into the mt.. Hiss.. But it is a decent 24 bit bitbucket..
So with that loud noise floor there isn't much difference in range between the background hiss and the loudest noise. I'd guess that 16 bit something > modsbm tapes could have more net resolution/dynamic gain/etc. That's what folks are implying when they say the mt doesn't have 24 bit resolution/range/etc. The noise floor is a big problem on jazz, folk or any other source that has quiet parts. But it is not so much of a problem for T**l.
so what this other person is saying is that the r09 is even worse than the MT?
I dont use my r01 for non 'under the radar' recording often. I guess I should keep it that way.
The person in question is arguing that were fluffing the R-09 greater than what the specs say about how it "should" sound.
Of course one does have to take into account how you are using the recorder. I can say with confidence that most of us here are going to be using the R-09 with an external pre, or mic power supply of some sort via line-in, and NOT using the internal mic. I suppose the context of how most use the recorder is often just assumed around here without being clairified, which includes myself.
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If you are using an external pre, the design of the unit still matters since there can be excess hiss or noise on using line-in, which I hear is a problem on the MT. The R-09 is very clean when using line-in, and the A/D converter is good. You should do a comparison using your external pre versus the internal pre in the R-09, you may find using the external pre is worse, or not much better. Less gear to deal with the better.
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You should do a comparison using your external pre versus the internal pre in the R-09, you may find using the external pre is worse, or not much better. Less gear to deal with the better.
I am unable to because of my setup to use the r09 pre. I doubt the pre's that I use add more noise.
I disagree that the less gear the better quality.
edit: Just got the r09 today. nice and small. I need a new smaller, fanny pack now ;D
I cannot wait to use the unit. It will get its first run at HSMF. I will be running a comp with the r01 if anyone is interested. I am just curious. I will run both units at 44.1khz
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The attraction of this unit is the all in one design with hopefully decent mics feeding a hopefully decent pre feeding a hopefully 4 gb card. I personally want it and only it in my pocket. If not, then the flash memory alone is not enough convenience or reason to replace my PCM-M1. As it stands, the R-09 is the only thing of it's type available. (I know I am stating the obvious here.)
Yes, I would like to know a list of all the things out there that are better than it, but more importantly, a list of all the things worse. Sure another pre and another mic and nother doohicky will be nice and sound better, but what about the R-09 solo standalone?
Ultimately - is it worth it (to all of those out there that actually have had theirs ship) in its pure all-in-one-box self?
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As it stands, the R-09 is the only thing of it's type available. (I know I am stating the obvious here.)
Pretty sure the MicroTrack falls into the same category.
The attraction of this unit is the all in one design
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Ultimately - is it worth it (to all of those out there that actually have had theirs ship) in its pure all-in-one-box self?
FWIW, it's not quite an all-in-one box. It doesn't provide phantom power to mics. And while it provides bias power, it's only 3.3v (per the manual, a la SunWizard's previous post (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=65175.msg880970#msg880970)) and therefore probably insufficient to power mics for most (or possibly all) purposes.
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As it stands, the R-09 is the only thing of it's type available. (I know I am stating the obvious here.)
Pretty sure the MicroTrack falls into the same category.
I'd argue that the MicroTrack doesn't quite meet that criteria because you still need an external mic (the included "T" mic may be the next best thing, but it's still an external mic.
The attraction of this unit is the all in one design
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Ultimately - is it worth it (to all of those out there that actually have had theirs ship) in its pure all-in-one-box self?
FWIW, it's not quite an all-in-one box. It doesn't provide phantom power to mics. And while it provides bias power, it's only 3.3v (per the manual, a la SunWizard's previous post (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=65175.msg880970#msg880970)) and therefore probably insufficient to power mics for most (or possibly all) purposes.
Actually, it is an "all-in-one" box (at least it is using enaudible's definition)... You can take the R-09 in your pocket, all by it self, WITHOUT any other external equipment (mics, preamp, etc.) and get decent field recordings. Is it an "all-in-one" box in the sense that it contains all the features many of us would want... Probably not. In theory (especially if it supported 24/96), I would think that the Marantz PMD660 should be that box (and maybe with the Oade Brothers mod it comes fairly close for a 16bit box). Of course, it would be a bit tough to carry around in your pocket ;)
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As it stands, the R-09 is the only thing of it's type available. (I know I am stating the obvious here.)
Pretty sure the MicroTrack falls into the same category.
Same catagory yes however, based on experience the a/d it the r01 sounds much nicer than the MT. Less harsh, smoother highs and overall frequency transition. I dont like the MT as a line input unit. I agree its great as a bit bucket as freelunch already stated.
I am hoping the R09 is as good or better than the r01
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I'd argue that the MicroTrack doesn't quite meet that criteria because you still need an external mic (the included "T" mic may be the next best thing, but it's still an external mic.
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Actually, it is an "all-in-one" box (at least it is using enaudible's definition)... You can take the R-09 in your pocket, all by it self, WITHOUT any other external equipment (mics, preamp, etc.) and get decent field recordings.
Ahhhh...yes, well, from that perspective it's truly all-in-one. I was stuck in taper-with-external-mics mode. :-\
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Well, I just got my Edirol R-09 in today, and being a music engineer I thought I'd do a little technical analysis on it... I think you guys might enjoy this, particularly since it has a couple recordings comparing the performance of the internal mics against the binaural SP-TFB-2's from Sound Professionals.
Enjoy!
http://www.dallashodgson.info/edirol/edirol.htm
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Well, I just got my Edirol R-09 in today, and being a music engineer I thought I'd do a little technical analysis on it... I think you guys might enjoy this, particularly since it has a couple recordings comparing the performance of the internal mics against the binaural SP-TFB-2's from Sound Professionals.
Enjoy!
http://www.dallashodgson.info/edirol/edirol.htm
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Hey, excellent info. +T.
Please note that you want to EQ out the speaker freq response first.
What I suggest is getting a flat reference mic, like the Behringer 8000, or whatever it is called. Record the reference signal with that. Then you could compare the mics options, make sure you put the mics/recorder in the same place. You know that putting the mics in your ears affects the freq. response too, right?
My opinion? The internal mics sound OK, but are pretty thin on the bass. The in-ear ones sound great, especially if you're going to listen on headphones.
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Yes, YMMV will vary somewhat with the shape of your ears, LOL. the monitors themselves are plenty flat (they came with reference plots from the factory) but certainly the room acoustics can affect things a bit. Good enough for government work, though - we're talking nearfields that were mic'd from only a couple feet away.
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Question about the SP-TFB-2 mics - if I wanted to record gigs and ambient nature sounds, which set is better, standard or high sensitivity? Also, for other mics, what's the best set-up or workaround for the unbalanced ins?
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Question about the SP-TFB-2 mics - if I wanted to record gigs and ambient nature sounds, which set is better, standard or high sensitivity? Also, for other mics, what's the best set-up or workaround for the unbalanced ins?
hey, how about keeping questions in this thread to the edirol r09?
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Question about the SP-TFB-2 mics - if I wanted to record gigs and ambient nature sounds, which set is better, standard or high sensitivity? Also, for other mics, what's the best set-up or workaround for the unbalanced ins?
hey, how about keeping questions in this thread to the edirol r09?
i am baking a cake later today if i use yextra yeast andraise the oven temp 50 degrees will it cook faster and get bigger?
thanx!
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Whoever got one at Sam Ash - Did they price match an internet price like people were doing with the MTs?
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Just got my r09... Gotta go get some AA's. Just formatted my 4GB card..
Do NiMH rechargables work in the r09?
Yes, but you do need to select the battery type in the setup menu - which I believe regulates the battery meter to read correctly with rechargeables...
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Whoever got one at Sam Ash - Did they price match an internet price like people were doing with the MTs?
they said they would price match within 60 days of the purchase if it was an authorized dealer that is selling. i didnt know of anyone selling it cheaper at the time.
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so what 4gb cards are people having success with?
and what kind of frosting goes best with a vanilla pound cake? ;D
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so what 4gb cards are people having success with?
I just bought the card you said you were using.. Looks like the price has been dropped another $3 and the rebate extended again...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820163159
Same here, looks like the last reviewer couldn't format it either:
Not Amazing
Pros: Large Capacity (In Theory)...
Cons: Will not format in my Kyocera Finecam SL300R. After looking around more (which I should have done before I bought the darn thing) I found that many people are having issues formatting this card and those who are able to format it can only get it to format to 1-2 GB.....
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so what 4gb cards are people having success with?
I just bought the card you said you were using.. Looks like the price has been dropped another $3 and the rebate extended again...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820163159
Same here, looks like the last reviewer couldn't format it either:
Not Amazing
Pros: Large Capacity (In Theory)...
Cons: Will not format in my Kyocera Finecam SL300R. After looking around more (which I should have done before I bought the darn thing) I found that many people are having issues formatting this card and those who are able to format it can only get it to format to 1-2 GB.....
Someone should tell him to get a card reader :) Oh and someone should tell Edirol to make the R09 support 4GB cards too :P
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so what 4gb cards are people having success with?
I just bought the card you said you were using.. Looks like the price has been dropped another $3 and the rebate extended again...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820163159
Same here, looks like the last reviewer couldn't format it either:
Not Amazing
Pros: Large Capacity (In Theory)...
Cons: Will not format in my Kyocera Finecam SL300R. After looking around more (which I should have done before I bought the darn thing) I found that many people are having issues formatting this card and those who are able to format it can only get it to format to 1-2 GB.....
I don't know how this works but i can't format it on my r-09, but if i attach the r-09 to the usb i can format it through Windows.
If this is a good way to go i don't know.. but the test recordning after the format went well.
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What prices have you fellas been payin' for one of these R-09's, if ya don't mind me askin?
Will these guys work ok with Energizer lithium ions, and any worries about them overheating?
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sorry if this was the wrong thread to ask about external mics for the r-09...
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sorry if this was the wrong thread to ask about external mics for the r-09...
I don't think its anything you said, someone is -T crazy on this thread. I got -5 T already just by answering some questions on this thread.
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I think the children must be back from summer camp. One board I participate in eliminated that stuff because all it takes is a couple of them to destroy the meaning of the whole system. Do we, as supposed adults, really need gold stars awarded?
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I think the children must be back from summer camp. One board I participate in eliminated that stuff because all it takes is a couple of them to destroy the meaning of the whole system. Do we, as supposed adults, really need gold stars awarded?
OK, I gotta ask..... I have searched high and low and I can't find ANY information ANYWHERE on what the Ts mean or how you "give them" out. The most I could find was that if you contribute financially, you get some.
Obviously there is a way because I seem to have a positive number of them.
I have always treated the whole "T" thing as simply taperssection slang for "well done" but I guess there is more to it?
Sorry for hijacking the thread.... a PM will suffice so as not to distract the thread any further....
Paul
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OK, I gotta ask..... I have searched high and low and I can't find ANY information ANYWHERE on what the Ts mean or how you "give them" out. The most I could find was that if you contribute financially, you get some.
Obviously there is a way because I seem to have a positive number of them.
I have always treated the whole "T" thing as simply taperssection slang for "well done" but I guess there is more to it?
Sorry for hijacking the thread.... a PM will suffice so as not to distract the thread any further....
Paul
The archive section has all the info on giving and recieving tickets.
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=2298.0
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Got mine on wednesday but have been too busy traveling to do much. Yes, the r09.. I'm actually talking about the r09 here and not tickets or random mics ::)
Random observations follow.. Sorry about the length and randomness.
I am REALLY impressed. The engineering and attention to detail are outstanding. After the mt my expectations were kinda low. But it seems Edirol actually used professional engineers with experience to design and develop the product.. The microtrack reminds me of a prototype done by a student team as a class project. A class project that will never be revisited after it is graded.. Just a one-off. I can't even begin to list everything that was done better on the r09 than the mt.. Attention to detail. And so far, I haven't even found anything major to bitch about. I still dig the mt as a bit bucket but this just shows how good it could have been... Of course that doesn't mean it records better. Just means I'm likely to buy edirol in the future and likely to never consider m-audio. The people who designed/project manage the r09 live and work in a different world than the mt people. I don't think the mt team have ever recorded anything in their lives.
The thing seems rock solid in most every way.. And very frugal on batteries. I've pushed my first pair of alki AA's pretty hard. I did a fair bit of testing on wednesday. I setup mk4 > rmod in front of my VR4's and ran the rmod into the r09 (various modes), 722, microtrack and v3>722. I actually managed to produce 30 second samples before I left town but they were about 100K too big to attach so I couldn't post'em or redo them in the time I had...
I ran it off the 722 line out for one show.. I planned on running 4061>r09 as a backup for a semi-outdoor show but then remembered I'd loaned my bbox out. Major bummer there. Last night I taped it to my stand for a somewhat loud rock show. I never plan on using the built in mics but figured what the heck.. It was difficult to monitor the clip light or meters with the front facing away and everything taped over (allowing them to flash on my stand was not an option). The internal mics sound pretty good but they aren't dpa's. I ran low gain mode at about 12 on the trim. I think the levels peaked around -10. I was in the dark on this setting because I don't have docs on the gain structure and haven't had a chance to measure it.
The levels go from 1 to 30 and are numeric.. Much nicer than "third notch plus one" on the mt. BUT.. the level setting is not displayed on the record screen. I'm not sure there is a way to see the current setting without changing it (with possibly audible artifacts).
Xfer speed via the usb port is about 2.1MB/second.
As already mentioned, the ring around the record button lights solid when recording and flashes when on pause. It is easy to put a square of gaffer tape over it that still allows button operation. It is nice to be able to glance at the recorder from a great distance and see that it is actually recording. You could also leave a pinhole in the tape and get confirmation by glancing down into your shirt pocket, etc. Nice to not have to nsee the ET counter incrementing.
Battery use seems very frugal. But my use so far has been pretty random so I won't quote anything (about 6 hours of shows plus testing). The low battery warning flashes as a message across the display. Pretty nice. The consumption meter seems fairly accurate. I received the low battery warning at the encore of my last show. I was on my last sliver of battery this morning but did not get a warning until I started recording. I popped the batteries out right after and they were at 1.24volts (plain Energizer alki).
I'm using a $4 "icon" digital camera case. Fits well.
I haven't opened it up. But I see screws on the back so maybe it isn't a "pry until you cry" type of disassembly (never opened my mt either). I am curious about the internal shielding and whether we might want to add some more to protect against cellphones or whatever.
The battery door is definitely a funky design that requires some instruction and care to operate properly. It is nice that they cover the SD card slot and the USB connector to prevent an accumulation of fuzz, etc, from pocket and bag use.
I measured the mic voltage at 2.49volts. I have powered the 4061's using the MT's 4.9volts and did not encounter issues at loud and bass-heavy shows. But I'm sure the 2.49v is too low :(
Has anyone measured and documented the gain structure of the various settings?
I'm hoping to get caught up on some shows (hah!) and get some samples posted soon.
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I haven't opened it up. But I see screws on the back so maybe it isn't a "pry until you cry" type of disassembly (never opened my mt either). I am curious about the internal shielding and whether we might want to add some more to protect against cellphones or whatever.
The R-09 opens up very easily and has a nice modular design to all the internal pieces. If your interested in opening one up, look at the backside of the unit and start by pryng the top of the silver panel. The top of the silver panel is held on my double-sided tape and the bottom of the panel is hooked into the main section of the housing in black. Once you have the silver panel off the back, you will have revealed the third screw which holds the front panel together. Remove all three screws from the back and carefully dismantle the internals from there. Becareful not to loose the pin which hinges the battery door cover. The first time I opened mine up, I lost it to the carpeting in my office for about a half hour.. Enjoy.
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Thanks for the tips! I think I'll hold off unless I have a reason to go in. I'd love to see some pics if someone opens one up.
How well shielded did it seem to be? The attention to detail seems pretty high so I wouldn't be surprised if they've done a good job of it.
I have mine open right now to check on some chip specs - so I'll post some pics and chip specs in a bit. There is no shielding tape used on my R-09 so this could be improved upon very easily.
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how satisfied are the first edirol R-09 users with the quality of the recordings?
may I ask, how would you compare the quality of edrirol R-09 to HiMD recordings?
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how satisfied are the first edirol R-09 users with the quality of the recordings?
may I ask, how would you compare the quality of edrirol R-09 to HiMD recordings?
Exactly my question. Compare mic and line inputs with: stock UA5, and HiMD (PCM input), for example.
Richard
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For those interested in seeing what makes the R-09 tick...
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heh, you're the man. i didn't even have the guts to crack mine all the way open to electrical tape over the LED! 8)
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For those interested in seeing what makes the R-09 tick...
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Now that is sexxy! I love it! +T.
Do you have bigger pics? I want to read the chip numbers. If you have them, please Email them to me at: mannr@uwaterloo.ca.
If you don't have bigger pics, can you read some chip numbers off for me? The "LVM" chip, upper right, in the second photo is interesting. Also, the two eight-pin chips in the second photo on the right hand edge.
Thanks again,
Richard
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what is the 28-pin cirrus logic chip? it looks like it says CS5465 but the 54 series wouldnt be an audio a/d. I would expect something in the CS42xx series.
peace, chris
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what is the 28-pin cirrus logic chip? it looks like it says CS5465 but the 54 series wouldnt be an audio a/d. I would expect something in the CS42xx series.
peace, chris
CS8406-CZZ
That is a digital audio transimitter... for the digital *output* function.
OK, please get back to me on the other stuff. I'd like to know what opamps and/or ADC are in there. Note that some of the AKM series have builtin mic preamps, so everything might be in one chip. That is how minidisc work anyways...
Richard
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hmmm...that's the SPDIF encoder chip, the TI chip is the DSP, do you see a chip that looks like the codec or A/D?
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It looks like the A/D chip is on the center board B pic. It's a Burr Brown/TI chip labeled AIC32I. The LV chip you guys asked about is labled LVU04A which is a hex inverter.
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here are the specs on the codec then:
Stereo Audio DAC
100 dB A Signal-to-Noise Ratio
16/20/24/32-Bit Data
Supports Rates From 8 kHz to 96 kHz
3D/Bass/Treble/EQ/De-Emphasis Effects
Stereo Audio ADC
92 dB A Signal-to-Noise Ratio
Supports Rates From 8 kHz to 96 kHz
Six Audio Input Pins
Six Stereo Single-Ended Inputs
Six Audio Output Drivers
Stereo 8 , 500 mw/Channel Speaker Drive Capability
Stereo Fully-Differential or Single-Ended Headphone Drivers
Fully Differential Stereo Line Outputs
Low Power: 14-mW Stereo 48-kHz Playback With 3.3-V Analog Supply
Programmable Input/Output Analog Gains
Automatic Gain Control (AGC) for Record
Programmable Microphone Bias Level
Programmable PLL for Flexible Clock Generation
I2C Control Bus
Audio Serial Data Bus Supports I2S, Left/Right-Justified, DSP, and TDM Modes
Extensive Modular Power Control
Power Supplies:
Analog: 2.7 V - 3.6 V
Digital Core: 1.525 V - 1.95 V
Digital I/O: 1.1 V - 3.6 V
Available Packages: 5 × 5 mm, 32 QFN
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here are the specs on the codec then:
Stereo Audio DAC
100 dB A Signal-to-Noise Ratio
16/20/24/32-Bit Data
Supports Rates From 8 kHz to 96 kHz
3D/Bass/Treble/EQ/De-Emphasis Effects
Stereo Audio ADC
92 dB A Signal-to-Noise Ratio
Supports Rates From 8 kHz to 96 kHz
Six Audio Input Pins
Six Stereo Single-Ended Inputs
Six Audio Output Drivers
Stereo 8 , 500 mw/Channel Speaker Drive Capability
Stereo Fully-Differential or Single-Ended Headphone Drivers
Fully Differential Stereo Line Outputs
Low Power: 14-mW Stereo 48-kHz Playback With 3.3-V Analog Supply
Programmable Input/Output Analog Gains
Automatic Gain Control (AGC) for Record
Programmable Microphone Bias Level
Programmable PLL for Flexible Clock Generation
I2C Control Bus
Audio Serial Data Bus Supports I2S, Left/Right-Justified, DSP, and TDM Modes
Extensive Modular Power Control
Power Supplies:
Analog: 2.7 V - 3.6 V
Digital Core: 1.525 V - 1.95 V
Digital I/O: 1.1 V - 3.6 V
Available Packages: 5 × 5 mm, 32 QFN
Nice. It looks like everything, including the headphone amp!, is in that chip. Seems pretty good quality too. Does anyone know how the TI/Burr-Brown stuff compares to the AKM in terms of the converter quality?
Let me just add to that, after skimming the docs, what the preamp is doing. There is a plot showing that if I put in a signal at -65dB wrt line level, what the SNR is as I add (mic pre) gain. If I add 0dB gain I get an SNR of ~27dB, which is just down to the noise floor of -92dB. It I add 20dB of gain, I get an SNR of ~37dB. So, adding 20dB of gain added about 10dB to the noise floor. If I were using "hot" mics, maybe 20dB is enough gain, and then my *maximum* SNR would be 92-20 = 72dB. I'll have to look at MD, but I think it is comparable.
Of course, this is all on paper. I've got to hear how it sounds.
Thanks again Neutrino for the brave disassembly! I hope you get it back together safely...
Richard
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Is there anyway to tell if I'm running line-in, at what point I'm adding gain to the signal, or is it all attenuation when recording via the line-in?
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Is there anyway to tell if I'm running line-in, at what point I'm adding gain to the signal, or is it all attenuation when recording via the line-in?
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I don't know. I would never be certain of anything! My guess is the line input is going to just have zero gain programmed in, but who knows.
If you got time, I'd like to see you put a test pattern, like a 1600Hz sine wave, into line in, adjust the gain to just under 0dB full scale, and record. You could use something like a NJB3 as a signal source. Then run a Fourier analysis of the signal to make sure there are no nasty harmonics around.
Some may recall that I did this with a Edirol UA5 and discovered *severe* distortion about -3dB or so. I'm hoping they got it right with these units. Probably OK, but worth checking.
Thanks again!
Richard
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anyone know what the codec in the R-1 is?
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Is there anyway to tell if I'm running line-in, at what point I'm adding gain to the signal, or is it all attenuation when recording via the line-in?
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Hey, can you please answer one more question? Is there gain/attenuation available on line in? If so, how much? I'm wondering if one could run "hot" mics directly into line in like I do on my Minidisc. Both line and mic seem to go through the same preamp, though, so maybe it would just be better to use mic on low sensitivity. But you might need line in control if you're plugging in a preamp or board feed though.
Thanks
Richard
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Is there anyway to tell if I'm running line-in, at what point I'm adding gain to the signal, or is it all attenuation when recording via the line-in?
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Hey, can you please answer one more question? Is there gain/attenuation available on line in? If so, how much? I'm wondering if one could run "hot" mics directly into line in like I do on my Minidisc. Both line and mic seem to go through the same preamp, though, so maybe it would just be better to use mic on low sensitivity. But you might need line in control if you're plugging in a preamp or board feed though.
Thanks
Richard
The low/high gain effects the pre-amp inputs only. There are seperate inputs for Line and Mic - it's not just a signal input with a switch.
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Is there anyway to tell if I'm running line-in, at what point I'm adding gain to the signal, or is it all attenuation when recording via the line-in?
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Hey, can you please answer one more question? Is there gain/attenuation available on line in? If so, how much? I'm wondering if one could run "hot" mics directly into line in like I do on my Minidisc. Both line and mic seem to go through the same preamp, though, so maybe it would just be better to use mic on low sensitivity. But you might need line in control if you're plugging in a preamp or board feed though.
Thanks
Richard
The low/high gain effects the pre-amp inputs only. There are seperate inputs for Line and Mic - it's not just a signal input with a switch.
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So, if I plug something like my CD player line out into this thing, there is no gain control? Hmm. I'm also thinking of getting a board patch, with maybe "hot" +4dBV outputs. You could use an attenuator, but it would be nice if the box did that for you.
Richard
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It looks like the A/D chip is on the center board B pic. It's a Burr Brown/TI chip labeled AIC32I. The LV chip you guys asked about is labled LVU04A which is a hex inverter.
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Well, then it is game over for trying to get Roland to increase the AGC decay time.... according the the AIC32 data sheet, the maximum decay time is 500 mS.
DRAT.
Paul
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I'll be getting mine on thursday, and hopefully use it on a video shoot where I'm doing sound on Sunday.I was about to order a 2gb Sandisk card, but someone on dvinfo.net mentioned that there's trouble with anything more than 1gb on the r-09.
Anyone know about this?
thanks
yarock
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I've been using two Kingston Elite Pro 45x 2Gig SD cards with NO problem......I'm waiting for the 4Gig format issue to be resolved and Kingston to make a 4g card before I switch..
Peace,
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Is there anyway to tell if I'm running line-in, at what point I'm adding gain to the signal, or is it all attenuation when recording via the line-in?
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Hey, can you please answer one more question? Is there gain/attenuation available on line in? If so, how much? I'm wondering if one could run "hot" mics directly into line in like I do on my Minidisc. Both line and mic seem to go through the same preamp, though, so maybe it would just be better to use mic on low sensitivity. But you might need line in control if you're plugging in a preamp or board feed though.
Thanks
Richard
The low/high gain effects the pre-amp inputs only. There are seperate inputs for Line and Mic - it's not just a signal input with a switch.
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So, if I plug something like my CD player line out into this thing, there is no gain control? Hmm. I'm also thinking of getting a board patch, with maybe "hot" +4dBV outputs. You could use an attenuator, but it would be nice if the box did that for you.
Richard
I think you misunderstood. Yes, there is adjustable gain control on the line inputs.
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Got mine recently from Sound Pro's. Nice little unit. Ordered the bodyglove case that showed up the next day, but not before I managed to drop it from a barstool to the concrete floor on a test run the first night. >:( Scratched the front a bit and the unit shut down, but worked fine when restarted. ;D I can't add much to what others have observed so far, but I'm impressed with the sound quality, ease of use and product design. Good job Edirol! I plan on using the unit to record live music, to capture solo guitar performance at home, and for ambience type recording. My use reflects the wish list below. Reverb settings for example would be very nice to use for quick playback of solo guitar, but are currently much too wet. Of course, anything can be improved..
Here's my R-09 wish list for Edirol:
Possibly firmware updateable:
1. Use & format 4GB (larger?) SD cards.
2. Control over wet/dry ratio for reverb in playback setup (much to wet now!).
3. Ability to mark track points while recording.
4. Balance control in recording setup for mic gain.
5. Balance control in playback setup.
6. Option to kill the red recording light.
7. Seamlessly start a new file during recording on demand.
8. Seemlessly save and start a new file at the 2GB file limit (assuming larger card support above).
9. Record to FLAC.
10. Play FLAC.
11. Record/monitor to computer through USB.
12. Record/monitor from computer through USB.
Hardware revision:
(future model release)
a. Threaded boss for tripod/micstand built into case (like a camera)*
1. Better battery door.
2. Optical digital in.
3. Metal case.
4. Battery charging using the external power connection.
5. Power through USB.
6. Option to use other mic power standards (5v, 10v, 48v) other than 3v. O.K. if only available when using external power.
7. Stronger headphone amp (to drive Etymotic 4S to louder level).
8. Battery charging through USB.
(*edited to add this important feature wish)
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I'll be getting mine on thursday, and hopefully use it on a video shoot where I'm doing sound on Sunday.I was about to order a 2gb Sandisk card, but someone on dvinfo.net mentioned that there's trouble with anything more than 1gb on the r-09.
Anyone know about this?
thanks
yarock
There are plently of people here recording on 2gb cards with zero reports of any issues. I've used both Sandisk and Transcend 2gb cards without issue.
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I have one of the hundred r-09's that have been shipped to the Benelux (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg), so I've been told. *proud*
Some things that I find of importance:
The light weight that "makes the device feel like a plastic toy" is great. It is caried easily in your pocked not only becouse of the size, but also the weight.
I find the self noise quite high. Somewhat equally to a sharp MD-recorder I owned a while ago. The internal mics are quite sensitive, they record louder than the Audio Technica AT822 microphone. Stereo field of the internals is close to mono however.
The red Recording LED's are very bright, but can come in handy when checking from a distance if the device is still recording :). A custom function to turn that off would be a good idea, however.
A function to record ASAP is missing in my opinion. One has to turn on the divice by pressing the little button on the left for a second, wait for the animation and then press record twice. It would be a good idea to add a custom function to record as soon as possible after pressing the record button shortly one time when the device is off.
edit: Oh, one more thing, the AGC (Auto gain control) is completely useless. I think there will be more complaints about this. But then, who needs auto gain when recording in a 24-bit resolution? ;)
edit 2: I forgot to mention something else, too.. I use the menu more often than the finder. Another good idea would be a custom function to swich the proirity of the two. (Now, one has to hold down the finder/menu button for a second or so to see the menu, and short-press to see the finder).
My 2 cents :)
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My new Edirol R-09 arrived today and I am stoked!!!
It arrived just in time to give it a quick test before I load it in my bag and head down to Bethel to see Phil and then to Greyfox for the remainder of the week.
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I'm a complete newbie to Tapers Section and I'm not sure if this should go in this thread or somewhere else. I'm currently using a minidisc (MZ R70) and a Sony ECM-719 mic to record in the most slapdash and casual way imaginable. We like to be able to listen to music from the weekend in the tent on Sunday morning and the car on the way home. Tapes I record typically include some or all of... crowd noise, child noise, random swearing from when I tipped my beer over the programme, singing along with the choruses, that sort of thing... But I have fun. Nevertheless, I am not creating rare archival recordings here.
But I am becoming seriously fed up of minidiscs (the 1x transfer speed, the ultralossy compression when I transfer them from ATRAC to MP3 to put on my Mac/iPod, the tendency for gigs to run just slightly longer than 80 minutes causing the MD to cut out halfway through the incredibly weird and rare song they're doing as their encore with all the guests, the way I can never find enough blank discs when packing on Friday, the fact that I can no longer rely on being able to get fresh discs in a random high street in an English market town, that sort of thing.) So I was wondering about buying the Edirol R-09 instead. A few questions:
1) Will it work with my mic -- ie, is the plug-in power a standard setting? I couldn't tell from the net. I think I'd mostly want to carry on using an external mic just because I tend to tuck the recorder away in a bag somewhere when recording, and I don't think the budget will run to R-09 + pile of SD cards + new mic.
2) How heavy is the R-09 compared to a MD? The specs I've found indicate that the R-09 is 145g including batteries, and the MZ R70 is 115g excluding (so about 138g with 1 AA); is that right? When purchasing gadgets I'm extremely sensitive to both extra weight and volume (though I do count the fact that I won't be wandering around a field with a bag full of randomly mislabled minidiscs).
3) Recommended UK suppliers?
4) Have those who've been using this in earnest been using NiMH? What brand and what power rating, and what sort of battery life are you getting? Effective low battery warnings on rechargeables?
5) Recommended SD card brands?
Many thanks, and if I've put this in the wrong place then sorry...
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My new Edirol R-09 arrived today and I am stoked!!!
It arrived just in time to give it a quick test before I load it in my bag and head down to Bethel to see Phil and then to Greyfox for the remainder of the week.
/hijack/ always wanted to checkout Greyfox. Sounds stellar. Maybe next year along with Merlefest I can manage a few trips outa FL again. With 4060>MMA600>R-09 in hand /hijack off/
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1) Will it work with my mic -- ie, is the plug-in power a standard setting? I couldn't tell from the net. I think I'd mostly want to carry on using an external mic just because I tend to tuck the recorder away in a bag somewhere when recording, and I don't think the budget will run to R-09 + pile of SD cards + new mic.
2) How heavy is the R-09 compared to a MD? The specs I've found indicate that the R-09 is 145g including batteries, and the MZ R70 is 115g excluding (so about 138g with 1 AA); is that right? When purchasing gadgets I'm extremely sensitive to both extra weight and volume (though I do count the fact that I won't be wandering around a field with a bag full of randomly mislabled minidiscs).
3) Recommended UK suppliers?
4) Have those who've been using this in earnest been using NiMH? What brand and what power rating, and what sort of battery life are you getting? Effective low battery warnings on rechargeables?
5) Recommended SD card brands?
1. Plug power is 3.3v in the manual, I measured mine at 2.5v. It can be turned on and off. It works great with my AT-853 mics, I have done > 12 hrs of recordings now with them on plug power, and they sound great. I think it sounds much better than MD, very clean, and I think the 24bit A/D does give better quality even on my 16 bit recordings (very similar to my UA-5). I will post some more samples soon. What are your mics?
2. It is very light and very small. Those specs are correct.
3. Don't know.
4. I use 2000 mah NiMh batterys regularly. I get always >7 hours and the low battery warning doesn't even come on. This is with plug power on to a pair of AT-853s, doing 16bit/44.1 recordings.
5. I use the regular speed (slower and cheaper) Sandisk brand 2GB cards and have had no problems. For long festivals I download them to a Flashtrax with 20GB hard drive.
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Hey Friends!
Got my R-09 monday and already recorded two shows with it.
I love the thing! The screen and level meters are easy to read and accurate.
The record and clip lights are are too bright, so i put a few small stickers over
them until only a little light bleeds through (see pic below) Used Energizer lithiums
and have 6 hours recording in, and the r-09 still shows a full charge. Used Sandisk
2 gig cards without any problems at all.
Sound quality is very good. Check the CSNY show i recorded from close up.
There are 4 samples in the torrent.
<http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=102765>
Anyone using 4 gig cards with this yet?
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T+ for the CSNY show....Thanks
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Well, I've tried a Patriot 4GB card and a pqi 4GB card, both formatted on pc and neither worked in the r-09. Format the card, put it in the r-09 and it said "no card", showed -230 mb available and couldn't be formatted in the r-09. Fry's was out of the transcend card otherwise I would have tried that one.
update: based on the fact that the r-09 showed negative capacity and displayed <no card> when powered up I assummed these cards didn't work and didn't try to record any long files to test it. However now I see the Transcend card does the same thing I think that it's possible the above mentioned card might work just fine.
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Well, I've tried a Patriot 4GB card and a pqi 4GB card, both formatted on pc and neither worked in the r-09. Format the card, put it in the r-09 and it said "no card", showed -230 mb available and couldn't be formatted in the r-09. Fry's was out of the transcend card otherwise I would have tried that one.
Good know. Thanks Drew! Anyone having luck with 4GB cards yet? If so what are you using?
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Well, I've tried a Patriot 4GB card and a pqi 4GB card, both formatted on pc and neither worked in the r-09. Format the card, put it in the r-09 and it said "no card", showed -230 mb available and couldn't be formatted in the r-09. Fry's was out of the transcend card otherwise I would have tried that one.
Well, I've tried a Patriot 4GB card and a pqi 4GB card, both formatted on pc and neither worked in the r-09. Format the card, put it in the r-09 and it said "no card", showed -230 mb available and couldn't be formatted in the r-09. Fry's was out of the transcend card otherwise I would have tried that one.
Good know. Thanks Drew! Anyone having luck with 4GB cards yet? If so what are you using?
have either of you read this whole thread? Its in there!
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Well, I've tried a Patriot 4GB card and a pqi 4GB card, both formatted on pc and neither worked in the r-09. Format the card, put it in the r-09 and it said "no card", showed -230 mb available and couldn't be formatted in the r-09. Fry's was out of the transcend card otherwise I would have tried that one.
Good know. Thanks Drew! Anyone having luck with 4GB cards yet? If so what are you using?
have either of you read this whole thread? Its in there!
It's in th3re??!! OMFG, it's iN there??!! THat's so kewl!!!!!!!11111!!!
Dude, fucking relax. I was just listing some cards that didn't work. ::)
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Well, I've tried a Patriot 4GB card and a pqi 4GB card, both formatted on pc and neither worked in the r-09. Format the card, put it in the r-09 and it said "no card", showed -230 mb available and couldn't be formatted in the r-09. Fry's was out of the transcend card otherwise I would have tried that one.
Good know. Thanks Drew! Anyone having luck with 4GB cards yet? If so what are you using?
have either of you read this whole thread? Its in there!
It's in th3re??!! OMFG, it's iN there??!! THat's so kewl!!!!!!!11111!!!
Dude, fucking relax. I was just listing some cards that didn't work. ::)
whose not relaxed? Read your response and let me know. I was trying to help.....
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Trancend 4GB SD card arrived Friday. As reported by others my R-09 recognized the card and showed available recording time of 3 hours 50-some minutes when set to 24/48 (though it reported the card size as -512MB or something, I can't remember exactly). I could format the card using both a built-in card reader in a cheapo $500 Compaq laptop (XP Home) and a $9 thumb-drive type card reader (XP Pro). I recorded about 500MB worth in 5 files, which played back fine. I could delete files from the card using the R-09 menu.
I then attempted to format the card on the R-09 and as reported it became unreadable by the R-09. Tried to format on the laptop but it would not recognize the card either. Brought the card into work this morning and my work machine (Dell - XP Pro + $9 keychain USB flashdrive type reader) could read the card and the 5 files were still intact. Transfered the 500MB to the desktop in about 8 or 9 min. & formated (FAT32 - 3.85GB took about 1 min.) I'll try the card again in the R-09 again tonight when I get home.
I had thought I would need to download the utility mentioned to recognize the card again and format here at work (no online service at home currently) but was happily suprised that this machine recognized the card. Since I plan on using the laptop to off-load from the card in the field, I'll just have to make sure I don't try and format the card from the recorder until a firmware update that addresses this 4GB issue. I also plan on downloading the utiliy to see if it works to recover the card using the laptop. That'll be the next test..
(edited for typo's)
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Has anyone who is using a 4gb card let their R-09 record over the 2gb limit? Does it stop at 2gb? Does it stop and restart a recording?
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Has anyone who is using a 4gb card let their R-09 record over the 2gb limit? Does it stop at 2gb? Does it stop and restart a recording?
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I'll try it tonight.. not certain, but I think someone reported that it stopped recording at 2GB and saved the file, but did not start a new one.
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FWIW, I have only had to format my 4GB card once. Deleting the files after recording (either on the r09 or via mount) seems to work fine.
I had to reformat the 4GB CF on my R1 before every show instead of just deleting the files, otherwise the recording would stop unpredictably.
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Glad someone can benefit from it. I had the first R1 from my retailer and botched 3 shows due to this unknown requirement. I never got any response from anyone at Edirol but luckily someone here knew that was the culprit.
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Glad someone can benefit from it. I had the first R1 from my retailer and botched 3 shows due to this unknown requirement. I never got any response from anyone at Edirol but luckily someone here knew that was the culprit.
If you had to re-format before every show, did that mean you had the probability of botching a recording if you recorded two bands on the same card. Such as an opening band and then a headliner.
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Glad someone can benefit from it. I had the first R1 from my retailer and botched 3 shows due to this unknown requirement. I never got any response from anyone at Edirol but luckily someone here knew that was the culprit.
If you had to re-format before every show, did that mean you had the probability of botching a recording if you recorded two bands on the same card. Such as an opening band and then a headliner.
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The way I believe it worked was - the first show I taped a 45 minute opener and then a 90 min main set and 30 min encore (Rose Hill Drive/Black Crowes). Went home copied files off, deleted files, but didn't format the card. The next show, I didn't exceed the total time of the previous show (165 min), so I didn't have a problem with a recording stopping. But the show after that after not formating again, I taped a 2 hr main set, stopped and started the 2nd file and the R1 just stopped recording at the 45 min mark which happened to be around the 165 min mark that coincided with the total time of the 1st show. After multiple attempts to restart the recording, the R1 would just stop again after writing out a few seconds.
So I think by deleting the files and not doing the format, I was restricting the total time/space on the card to the total time/space used by the original set of files that I deleted.
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Glad someone can benefit from it. I had the first R1 from my retailer and botched 3 shows due to this unknown requirement. I never got any response from anyone at Edirol but luckily someone here knew that was the culprit.
gewwang: you were critical in my understanding of the r01....thanks!
You are a real asset and groundbreaker when it comes to stealth recording and I for one appreciate and respect all your efforts. Thank you for all the great information.
dd
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So I think by deleting the files and not doing the format, I was restricting the total time/space on the card to the total time/space used by the original set of files that I deleted.
I am definitely not seeing that with the r09.
So far after only the initial format I have recorded 7 nights of mostly 2-3 hour shows at 24/44 on the same 4gb card.
Nearly all of my deletes were done via the r09 menu. I had one file get locked somehow (permissions, may have been my fault) and I deleted that one from linux (I don't normally use windows for xfers). So maybe it is different if the deletes are done via the r09 vs. a PC. I suppose it could be if the unit is unplugged suddenly and windows doesn't complete the update.
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I had to reformat the 4GB CF on my R1 before every show instead of just deleting the files, otherwise the recording would stop unpredictably.
I am not sure why I have had no problems on my 8gb Transcend CF card in my R1.
I do a MS Windows "file move" from the card to the PC via a USB card reader, and I have had no problems for more than a dozen shows.
May be luck, or may be the fact that I am moving not copy/deleting files? I wonder if it makes a difference
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I had to reformat the 4GB CF on my R1 before every show instead of just deleting the files, otherwise the recording would stop unpredictably.
I am not sure why I have had no problems on my 8gb Transcend CF card in my R1.
I do a MS Windows "file move" from the card to the PC via a USB card reader, and I have had no problems for more than a dozen shows.
May be luck, or may be the fact that I am moving not copy/deleting files? I wonder if it makes a difference
Actually, that's what I meant by deleting. Connecting the R1 via USB and dragging and dropping the files from the F: drive to the internal drive on the laptop.
That's awesome that you haven't lost a show yet without the CF format.
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Has anyone who is using a 4gb card let their R-09 record over the 2gb limit? Does it stop at 2gb? Does it stop and restart a recording?
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I tested my R-09 last night for the first time. I tried to format the Transcend 4GB using the R-09 first and it just said 'processing...' and never came back. I bailed after 10 minutes, removed the batteries, and then connected it to the PC via USB and formated the card fine using windows XP.
I ran line in from my Sonosax using 2 2500 mAH Powerex NiMH rechargeables. The first file was just a 1 1/2 minute wav at 24/48. Worked fine. The next file I let run until it stopped and I ended up with a 237:56.03 file taking up 4,015,138 KB (4GB) according to windows after I copied them onto my laptop.
I fell asleep while the 2nd file was being made and woke up about 8.5 hrs after first turning the R-09 on. It was still on so I moved the files to the laptop, and then restarted the recorder. The batteries finally died at about 45 minutes. I wasn't able to open the 4GB file with wavelab 5 or CEP. I opened it with CDWav and split it so I could save a 1 hr chunk of the file in the middle of the 4 hours and opened it with wavelab to verify that it was indeed 24/48.
So is this news? Has anyone else recorded a 2GB-4GB file without having to stop/restart?
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Hmmm so it record an almost 4 hour 24/48 file without stopping? That's pretty cool!
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Yeah, and I forgot to mention the display is great - it shows the current time of the file being recorded and also shows the remaining time available counting down. I was watching it from about 1:55 until 2:15 to be ready to stop and restart a new file but it just kept going before I finally had to give up and go to sleep.
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good news on the record time! After seeing Drews this past weekend, I want one.
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good news on the record time! After seeing Drews this past weekend, I want one.
Where's that deal you were talking about? ;D
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good news on the record time! After seeing Drews this past weekend, I want one.
heh, it seems to have that effect on people! 8)
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good news on the record time! After seeing Drews this past weekend, I want one.
heh, it seems to have that effect on people! 8)
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can you test yours out for this continuous runtime with a 4gb card. i figure the more who can prove this positive the better.
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Ran mine this morning with the Trancend 4GB card at 24/48 until the card filled. Recorded for just a minute or two shy of 4hrs. The file was saved and the recorder remained on.
Pressed 'rec' again and card full was displayed. Tried to playback on the unit but only play/pause would blink.
Took the card out and transfered to computer (WinXP) using a USB reader. Transfer took about 70min.
File played fine With WinAmp, I did not open it into an editor.
Transferd the file back to the card (also about 70min). Replaced the card in the R-09, deleted the file using the menu and resumed test recording.
No problem.
As reported by others file sizes over 2GB and the total card size/remaining card space is reported incorrectly using this unsupported card ( -149.72MB is displayed)
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Are you using a 150X 4GB card? Heard too fast card is not good for recording audio in the R-09.
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The Trancend 4GD SD is 150x. No problems so far. I'd like to get the transfer speed faster, but that may be the $9 USB thumb drive reader I'm using at work. I'll have to try the transfer with the built in card reader on my laptop at home & see if it's any faster.
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As reported by others file sizes over 2GB and the total card size/remaining card space is reported incorrectly using this unsupported card ( -149.72MB is displayed)
How are you formatting the card? Right now I can only format the card by connecting to the PC thru USB and formatting thru windows. After formatting, the R-09 reported "No Card". But I hit record and the message went away and it reported the current time of the recording and time remaining on the card correctly.
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Mine went to just shy of 4 hours and stopped with a card full msg. I am copying it now. My reader does 7MB/sec with CF (so 9 minutes) but I haven't measured it with SD.
wait a sec, are you saying you were able to write one continuous session of 3:5x at 24/48? or just total storage on a 4gb card is 3:5x?
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This continuous file ability is amazing news. Keep these reviews/tests coming, I'm still waiting on the next shipment from Sound Pros, can't wait to play with one of these. ;D
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Yes, one big file.
I'm formating & transfering using a card reader. I haven't connected the R-09 via the USB cable yet, but according to the manual and the posts of others, it appears to just act like a 'dumb' card reader when connected via USB cable.
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It took ~29 minutes to transfer 3.66 gigs from the r-09 w/ a 4g Transcend card to pc via usb out of the r-09. Also tried it w/ the ac adapter to see if it helped speed it up any but it didn't.
It took ~17 minutes to transfer it using a usb a SD/MMC (only) 'thumbdrive'.
It took ~4 minutes to transfer it using a more expensive multi-card (8-in-one) reader.
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I would offer to start this, but I don't have one yet (I am thinking it is time) and would be tough with out the unit.
Would anyone be willing to start a small FAQ thread on the R-09 so that just the quality and pertinent information on the unit is maintained and kept up to date at the top of the thread?
(If anyone wants to donate a unit to me, I will gladly maintain the FAQ for life ;D)
Greg
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I can tell you guys that i also recorded a 4 gb file 24/44.1, and it opens fine i Audition 2. :)
This is getting better and better.
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I can tell you guys that i also recorded a 4 gb file 24/44.1, and it opens fine i Audition 2. :)
This is getting better and better.
You're not kidding. It's becoming clear that long record times WILL be reliably possible, and that was my only real reservation about this unit (well, that and the fact that it'd be nice to have 24/96 if only so I don't have to upgrade again in 2 years when that becomes the norm! But tha'ts not a deal-breaker at this point). I can see I'm going to have to start selling off some stuff to finance one of these...
Has anybody given the built-in mics a serious spin? And how does the built-in pre compare to something like an MM6K?
(Apologies if I've missed discussion of these points - I try to keep up, but there be a whole lotta posts on the R9 threads! Just point me to previous posts if appropriate....)
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Odd, my little Compaq laptop with a built-in card reader won't recognize the Trancend 4GB card. The LED lights when the card is inserted but that's all. It reads the 64MB card that came with the R-09 just fine. This is a problem as that is supposed to be my 'card offloading machine'.
No problems reading the Trancend card on my Dell at work with a plug-in thumb drive card reader or via the USB cable connection. I've formated the card using the Dell and thumb drive. The R-09 can read & write to the card fine too
I didn't have the USB cable or thumb drive reader at home to try on the laptop last night so I'll try those this evening & see if I can get the Compaq to read the card that way. I remember mention of a utility to fix the card size if windows does not recognize the full capacity, but the machine doesn't seem to see the card at all so I doubt that's the issue. I'll look on the Trancend site in anycase.
Anyone else having issues reading the Trancend 4GB card on some machines/readers?
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Anyone else having issues reading the Trancend 4GB card on some machines/readers?
that's got nothing to do with it being a Transcend card, and everything to do with your reader being long in the tooth.
see if there's a chipset driver update available for your PC, that might help matters on your laptop. other than that, just use a USB cable and a newer reader and you'll be good to go.
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I can also confirm a full Transcend 4gb card with a single file at 24/48 recorded with the bulit in mics.
No problems to read the file either from the r-09 or from cardreader.
Happy happy to say the least!!!
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Well I just ordered my R-09 and 4GB Transcend Card ;D
I thought I remember these being $79 at one time. But @ newegg the 4GB cards are $95.99 - $30 Rebate = $65.00
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Make sure you get that rebate submitted as soon as possible. I was out of town for 2 weeks when mine showed up and missed the 'within 14 days' period to get that thing submitted.
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Make sure you get that rebate submitted as soon as possible. I was out of town for 2 weeks when mine showed up and missed the 'within 14 days' period to get that thing submitted.
It's already filled out... Just need the UPC :D
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Make sure you get that rebate submitted as soon as possible. I was out of town for 2 weeks when mine showed up and missed the 'within 14 days' period to get that thing submitted.
me too. ::) oh well!
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They count on people like us ( I am awful with rebates) to not send in that shit. Entice us and hope we dont take advantage of said enticement.
I would again like to thank everyone who has put up great information on the r09! Freelunch, Sleepypedro, gewwang, gutbucket, and others....sorry if I forgot anyone.
dd
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This is excellent news! And it probably means that the R-09 will record continuously on other SDHC sizes (6 - 32GB once they become available) as well :D
I think my local Edirol dealer has the R-09 in stock, so it's very tempting to just buy one right away, but I can't decide whether I should wait and see if it will be modded like the R-1 first...
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The R-09 is not SDHC-compliant. So flash memory cards with capacity greater than 2GB will exhibit odd behavior (like not being able to show how much space on a 4GB card is available for new recordings). For example, the Transcend 4GB card has to be formatted on a computer. The R-09 can't deal with 4GB of space.
It will take a major firmware upgrade to add all the features of SDHC to the R-09, so I don't expect is any time soon. We should be glad, since much of the SDHC specification deals with digital rights management. DRM "features" just about killed the Hi-MD minidisc format.
Flintstone
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Anybody know where I can buy an R-09 immediately with no wait list or backorder?
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My second 4 GB file ended up being 4,040,963KB and 239:27.65 according to file mgr and cdwav.
Now I'm not able to save a clip of it like I did with the first in cdwav using splits. Has anyone tried this and gotten a "Unable to read source file" error?
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flash memory cards with capacity greater than 2GB will exhibit odd behavior (like not being able to show how much space on a 4GB card is available for new recordings)
my r09 / transcend 4gb have always correctly displayed the total capacity remaining on the card when starting a new recording. is it not working for others?
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I've got a freshly formatted 4gb transcend card in mine with it on rec standby and it's showing 03:59:27 remaining.
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+T to all you guys (George, sleepypedro, etc.) who have been reporting the good news that the 4GB Transcend cards are working out so well with the R-09. I'm about convinced to purchase a Transcend card now. :D
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I've got a freshly formatted 4gb transcend card in mine with it on rec standby and it's showing 03:59:27 remaining.
W/ the recorder on rec standby my transcend shows 3:57:46 remaining after a format & settings at 24/48. Wonder where that extra 1:45 seconds went?
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My second 4 GB file ended up being 4,040,963KB and 239:27.65 according to file mgr and cdwav.
Now I'm not able to save a clip of it like I did with the first in cdwav using splits. Has anyone tried this and gotten a "Unable to read source file" error?
That can't be good
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My second 4 GB file ended up being 4,040,963KB and 239:27.65 according to file mgr and cdwav.
Now I'm not able to save a clip of it like I did with the first in cdwav using splits. Has anyone tried this and gotten a "Unable to read source file" error?
Isn't a 4GB card really only something like 3.8GB? Maybe that's the problem?
Just out of curiosity George, did you run the Transcend recovery capacity utility program on your card?
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My experience with the Trancend 4GB card is that both the recoding time counter and time remaining info on the main recording screen correctly display the full capacity of the card in time units. However, if you browse the menu to card information the size reported in MB, is incorrect. Browsing to song information also displays incorrect size in MB if the file is too large (presuabley over 2GB, but I have only checked it for 4GB and very small files - the small ones display the correct file size).
Sleeply, As you suspected both the USB Cable connection from the recorder and the USB thumb drive worked fine last night on my Compaq laptop. I also believe it's the built-in card reader driver that is to blame. I updated the driver which specifically addressed an issue with certain Trancend cards, but it's still not recognizing the card. I'll look into into it further, but at least I can use the USB cable connection when I go out of town recording in a couple weeks.
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My second 4 GB file ended up being 4,040,963KB and 239:27.65 according to file mgr and cdwav.
Now I'm not able to save a clip of it like I did with the first in cdwav using splits. Has anyone tried this and gotten a "Unable to read source file" error?
If you need to, you can use the audiohack.exe utility to split the 4gb file into two 2gb files.
Details on how to split the files are here:
http://live2496.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=14
Gordon
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I was playing with my toys for an upcoming show....Cables ?....What cable ?....I no need no stinking cables...
Peace,
jk
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A co-worker of mine just showed me a photobank he just purchased on ebay for 32$ with shipping from China. Took five days to get here from China at close of ebay auction. Check it out...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7631314165&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:2
The unit is actually pretty damn solid - and the screen looks great. Just install the laptop drive of your choice and your ready to go.
Here's a link to the manufacturer. http://www.cenda.com.cn/en/product_fd.asp?ProductID=73
I wonder if Iriver owners who bought an R-09 could upload from the R-9 directly to the iriver via USB, since, as far as I remember, the H3xx, ( also the H1xx? ) can function as an USB host. If this doesn't work, would a USB SD card reader connected to the iriver do it?
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The iRiver H3xx series works as a USB host, but it doesnt have optical in/out so is not very popular for us tapers. The H1xxs don't work as a USB host.
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Last night I did my first field recording, and I have to say this is the stealth dream!
I ran it for 3 hours and there is no problem with the file, but I was unsure of the input levels so I ran it on 10 but that was way to low
But I’m really happy with the quality of the sound.
Here is 2x2 min sample, one up-tempo and one slow.
I had to amplify it 15 dB nothing more.
Up-temp (http://myran.myftp.org/r-09_uptempo.mp3) 2,75 MB
Slow (http://myran.myftp.org/r-09_downtempo.mp3) 2,84 MB
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FWIW, I have found that the trim adds up to 28dB of gain. Each increment seems to be 1 dB. Setting 0 mutes the input.
The same 28dB of gain is available on all input modes (mic low/high, line).
My measurements of the gain range for each mode are less accurate. But it is approximately:
mic low: 17 dB (17-45dB)
mic high: 42 dB (42-70dB)
line: 12 dB (12-40dB)
Still wondering how mic low sounds compared to line.
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Last night I did my first field recording, and I have to say this is the stealth dream!
I ran it for 3 hours and there is no problem with the file, but I was unsure of the input levels so I ran it on 10 but that was way to low
But I’m really happy with the quality of the sound.
Here is 2x2 min sample, one up-tempo and one slow.
I had to amplify it 15 dB nothing more.
Up-temp (http://myran.myftp.org/r-09_uptempo.mp3) 2,75 MB
Slow (http://myran.myftp.org/r-09_downtempo.mp3) 2,84 MB
what mics are you using? (straight into the R09?)
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Last night I did my first field recording, and I have to say this is the stealth dream!
I ran it for 3 hours and there is no problem with the file, but I was unsure of the input levels so I ran it on 10 but that was way to low
But I’m really happy with the quality of the sound.
Here is 2x2 min sample, one up-tempo and one slow.
I had to amplify it 15 dB nothing more.
Up-temp (http://myran.myftp.org/r-09_uptempo.mp3) 2,75 MB
Slow (http://myran.myftp.org/r-09_downtempo.mp3) 2,84 MB
what mics are you using? (straight into the R09?)
Oh sorry..
AT853Rx --> PS2 --> R-09
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Last night I did my first field recording, and I have to say this is the stealth dream!
I ran it for 3 hours and there is no problem with the file, but I was unsure of the input levels so I ran it on 10 but that was way to low
But I’m really happy with the quality of the sound.
Here is 2x2 min sample, one up-tempo and one slow.
I had to amplify it 15 dB nothing more.
Up-temp (http://myran.myftp.org/r-09_uptempo.mp3) 2,75 MB
Slow (http://myran.myftp.org/r-09_downtempo.mp3) 2,84 MB
what mics are you using? (straight into the R09?)
Oh sorry..
AT853Rx --> PS2 --> R-09
Thanks for sharing your info. +t Did you run line-in or mic-in? I'd guess mic-in since you didn't list any xformers.
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Just rolled my first R-09 show. Stealth for Journey/Def Leppard with 4023>sonosax going line in. I recorded a couple files before Journey started and they checked out as 24/48 but sometime between the 2nd file and the start of the Journey set, the R-09 lost my settings and I ended up with the Journey at 16/44.1. The only reason I caught this was because I was looking at the display as I started rolling before Def Leppard and saw the remaining time was 4:57:XX. So I checked the recorder settings and saw that they got reset to 16 and 44.1 and some of the other settings got changed as well. I was able to reset all the settings and start the recording right before the Def Leppard intro music started so at least that seemed to go fine.
I ran the sax at +6dB both sets. The R-09 ended up at input level +16 for Journey and +12 for Def Leppard. I'll post more info after I convert and make sure nothing else happened in addition to the 16/44.1 reset.
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so you like the R-9?
can you use a 4GB card with it?
Do you like it better than the r-1?
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do you know why you olost your settings on the r-9
is there a hold button?
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Man, there really should be an R-09 FAQ posted or something... I know it's a lot of pages to sift through, but I know some of us have been reading every page thus far. Having said that... if I'm wrong on any of the following info, I welcome correction(s).
bluntfortrauma: YES, you can use a 4GB card with the R-09. People are reporting successfully reading/writing to a Transcend 4GB card. The R-09 will NOT format the card; you have to do perform the format under Windows or using a card reader apparently. That part is based on my own understanding from reading other's posts. I do not own a 4GB SD card (yet).
YES, the R-09 has a HOLD switch.
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Are the A/D and preamp of the R-09 as quiet as the A/D+preamp of the AD-20?
This a a quote from another thread where I asked for recomendation for my first recorder. My requirements are that it should enable me to make recordings of rather quiet ambience, thus it's preamp and A/D should be very quiet, but it also should be very portable.
The first recommendation was an iriver H120 + AD-20 combination, later my attention got drawn to the R-09 because it would be much smaller and lighter, easier to use. My question therefore:
Are the A/D and preamp of the R-09 comparibly quiet as the A/D+preamp of the AD-20?
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Can someone explain to me why R09 can record a "continuous" 4GB wav file (described here)? From what I read in the early MT discussions the max file size of a wav file can only be 2GB. So I am a bit confused.
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you can record to whatever the card will hold. the 2 gig limit is in Soundforge, Wavelab, etc.
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When I was reading the MT duscussions a few months ago users were never able go over the 2GB limit when using a 4GB or higher card...you get an auto-split when you reach 2GB .. It's not due to the firmware. Why a continuous 4GB wav file is possible in the R09 and not possible in the MT still confuse me.
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When I was reading the MT duscussions a few months ago users were never able go over the 2GB limit when using a 4GB or higher card...you get an auto-split when you reach 2GB .. It's not due to the firmware. Why a continuous 4GB wav file is possible in the R09 and not possible in the MT still confuse me.
Anyone know what the r9 uses for it's filesystem?
I'm guessing the 2 gig limit for recorders is due to the file system used. Fat16 is limited to 2gig, but fat32, ntfs, and others can do much more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems
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Anyone know what the r9 uses for it's filesystem?
I'm guessing the 2 gig limit for recorders is due to the file system used. Fat16 is limited to 2gig, but fat32, ntfs, and others can do much more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems
I think I read somewhere it was fat32
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That's correct, FAT32. At least when using a 4GB card formatted via computer. I believe smaller cards formatted using the recorder are also FAT32 but I'd have to check that.
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When I was reading the MT duscussions a few months ago users were never able go over the 2GB limit when using a 4GB or higher card...you get an auto-split when you reach 2GB .. It's not due to the firmware. Why a continuous 4GB wav file is possible in the R09 and not possible in the MT still confuse me.
Anyone know what the r9 uses for it's filesystem?
I own an MT and an r09. The mt can't do this stuff because M-Audio sucks and by extension the mt sucks. That is the real explanation that many don't want to hear. Not picking on anyone in particular but please don't bring the mt crap discussion into the r09 threads.
Many recorders record 4GB files. This is an m-audio problem. It has nothing to do with the file system. Of course we have already beat that to death in the mt threads ;)
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Just an fyi... I called Roland to see if it was possible to buy the cover without the stand and they said no. I did get the Body Glove case at Best Buy, but I'm not to happy with it really, so if anyone finds another case let us know :)
Oh don't we need to start a new thread too?
Rick
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Thread continued here: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=68518.0 (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=68518.0)
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maybe this can serve as a "near-miss" or lesson to someone.
i had an interesting situation this week where i recorded the opening set, and then powered everything off during set changes. when i powered back on, the display read "card error" and "SD unformatted", and then the standby display read "no card." (instead of "no song" when you have a blank card) . i was pissed b/c i thought i would have to format the card, i headed down thatpath, it asked me if i was sure, and i said no. powered off the unit. popped out the SD card, popped it back in, and powered up. it read the card fine, and my opener file was still on there. and i started the file for the main band at that point . FWIW this was w/ a 2G card.
came real close to having to reformat and losing the first file. no idea why it couldnt read the card though....
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maybe this can serve as a "near-miss" or lesson to someone.
I've had the same thing happen to me. I'm assuming it's a bad 2GB card. I've run numerous tests and it's just not a reliable card. I either have problems on the R-09 (the same you encountered) or have trouble getting the files off the card. When I run the same thing on a 1GB card I have, no problems.
It's a really frustrating. Got the card at a really good price (probably too cheaply) and now it's good for nothing.
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can someone lock this thred?
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soundpro needs to lock it, it's his thread.
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Pt. II (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=68518.0)
Pt. III (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=71933.0)