Topic: RESEED: Round 2: V3/Oade-warm-mod-UA5 comparison

[Brian Skalinder]

Having some cable problems right now, but if I can get 'em resolved (crossing fingers), I'll do both wmod v. pmod and pmod v. V3 tomorrow night.  The Oade Bros folks themselves told me wmod = V3, but...perhaps they're wrong or I misunderstood.  At any rate, hopefully I'll find out tomorrow if the pmod is closer to the V3 than the wmod.  

[dmonterisi]

dood, you got a sherpa to lug all that shit around?

[Sean Gallemore]

by moody, I meant colored, character, non-flat responses, etc.  A clashing of egos between the ua-5 and the bright/dark/muddy schoeps

[F.O.Bean]

i would be willing to send ya my 481's to do some more comps... ;)i think alot of ppl would like that comp....it seems that most ppl over here run schoeps and akg's.....

[save]

can't wait to hear the pmod vs. v3 comp

[danmorgan]

i would be willing to send ya my 481's to do some more comps... ;)i think alot of ppl would like that comp....it seems that most ppl over here run schoeps and akg's.....

...Where's the Neumann love, Bean?....

[teamakg]

everything went smooth last night.  everything should be converted very soon.  then look for the 480's wmod vs. V3 comp.
george

[dklein]

Lagging behind as usual.  Had to wait a couple of days before I had the house to myself without a sleeping child upstairs.

I don't know if anyone else did this, but I boosted the amplitude on source B by 3.5/3.3 dB (left/right) to raise it to the same level as source A.

One thing I learned selling audio equipment is that louder almost always wins, so any fair comparison has to have the source levels matched.  You can try and do it with the volume knob on playback but it's tough to do.

I find it totally interesting that we can't even get consensus on something as simple as which source was 'brighter'.  This has to be a by-product of the level differences between the sources and what we're each doing with the volume knob.

Now one could argue that whichever source had the amplitude changed has been thru destructive processing.  I did it both ways, boost B to match A, cut A to match B so that both 'raw' sources got a chance against the adjusted source.  Observations were the same.

It was also interesting to hear that most people tend to be attracted to tonal qualities more than anything else.  While the V3 was too bright in the last comparison, I found that in this comparison, I appreciated the extra hf on the v3.

Overall, I did prefer the v3 in this test.  It seemed a little more refined - easier to separate and follow the individual instruments and seemed to have a bit more detail.

Did I hear $1000 difference? - no, but at the same time I know the pleasure of owning and touching a really nicely crafted piece of gear and the UA-5 is not such a thing.  Still, I think it does an excellent job sonically.

At this point I'd say I have a feel for the differences between v3 and w-mod and am more curious about the various UA-5 mods vs. stock

Thanks again for putting it together Brian.

david

[Nick in Edinboro]

FWIW, my copy is now up on the archive....  Don't think it touches Brians but figured I'd post here if anyone wanted to hear another source from the show from almost an identical location.

Should've probably pumped the volume a bit more in post but didn't bother, just crank it and it sounds pretty good IMHO

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=8721

[creekfreak]

by moody, I meant colored, character, non-flat responses, etc.  A clashing of egos between the ua-5 and the bright/dark/muddy schoeps

exactly, I have heard people call schoeps, bright, thin, clear, neutral, muddy, tubey, warm, dark, dank, stinky, etc, etc, etc. Which one is it guys? Can't be bright and dark...can't be muddy and clear. After running a pair for 100+ shows, I can say several things. Schoeps are very accurate, they are bright and very detailed but with a low end color that is hard to explain. With certain gear the low end can sound egagerated and too warm. I don't think its the mic that is making that sound, but the outboard pre and or A/D. Hence the reason I love the V3 with the schoeps. It tightens everything up and sounds like the mic is suppose to sound.

[Sean Gallemore]

stinky?

maybe I'll be able to understand all these terms when I'm ready to buy schoeps in 10 years

[creekfreak]

stinky?

maybe I'll be able to understand all these terms when I'm ready to buy schoeps in 10 years

hehe, I was joking somewhat, but I have heard it all when it comes to schoeps.

[Brian Skalinder]

FWIW, I've re-seeded this torrent over on bt.etree in case anyone's interested:

Tracker entry
.torrent file

[kgreener]

darn Brian, I missed this post earlier this week, any chance it will be back up?  I just tried and it seems to be down.  If not, no biggie, just thought I'd ask.

thanks man!

Keith

[Brian Skalinder]

darn Brian, I missed this post earlier this week, any chance it will be back up?  I just tried and it seems to be down.  If not, no biggie, just thought I'd ask.

It's still up on BT, though I'm firewalled at work.  If you're firewalled, too, you're outta luck.  I'll send a CDR copy if you can't get the d/l - just PM me your addy.