Topic: Is this ORTF? *pics included...

[manitouman]

Hi there, I'm trying different configs with my mics and want to try ORTF from dead center at Red Rocks. I've done DIN from about 7 feet left of center at Red Rocks and recording turned out really good. My question is...does this look right? I used a protractor to find 110 degrees with 17 cm separation between caps. But the pictures I've found on ORTF show the mics not over one another like I have them. There's no way of getting ORTF without the mics overlapping each other. Or is there? I'm looking for any comments or suggestions here. Will I accomplish ORTF even if I have it done like in the pics? Here's some pics...







Thanks in advance!

[Teen Wolf Blitzer]

IMO if you are further than 100 yards from the stage I'd do din or dina if running hypers.  My experience has shown ORTF doesn't sound very good from the section.  FWIW.  I also have never been to Red Rocks so I may be off for this venue.

[tfs8271]

Looks good. Over lap on mics, who cares.....

It sure is better than your left big toe nail. That thing must produce some mean in-grown toe nails.

[boojum]

Go here: http://www.dpamicrophones.com/ and click on "microphone university" for a wealth of information.  You are spot on in your ORTF setup.

[Tye]

Looks right to me. Where did you get the riser on the left in your second picture?

[Nick's Picks]

Looks good. Over lap on mics, who cares.....

It sure is better than your left big toe nail. That thing must produce some mean in-grown toe nails.

nice!

[manitouman]

I will be 15th row from the stage, so I don't think that is 100 yards  maybe 75-100 feet? I've seen other tapers using ORTF, but I'm not sure what mics they were using. I'm sure they are on the Colorado Crue team but haven't been there. Which (ORTF or DIN) would give me a better recording? I like how DIN sounded on my Crowes recording from that same spot. I just thought I'd try ORTF since the other tapers were using that config.

I got the riser from MicSupply, it's actually 2 pieces: one 5/8" to 3/8" and a 3/8" to 5/8" which gives me about a 1 1/2" lift.

I'm actually quite sensitive about that toenail! Thank you very much for bringing up bad memories. 
I had an ingrown toenail a long time ago, the dumb a$$ doctor cut the whole nail off instead of just remedying the situation. So now I have this grotesque looking wookie claw instead of a normal toenail. I just tell the girls I had it shot off in the jungles of 'nam. Seems to distract them away from it.

[Teen Wolf Blitzer]

Wookie claw.      I think ORTF will be great!

[Tye]

I will be 15th row from the stage, so I don't think that is 100 yards  maybe 75-100 feet? I've seen other tapers using ORTF, but I'm not sure what mics they were using. I'm sure they are on the Colorado Crue team but haven't been there. Which (ORTF or DIN) would give me a better recording? I like how DIN sounded on my Crowes recording from that same spot. I just thought I'd try ORTF since the other tapers were using that config.

I got the riser from MicSupply, it's actually 2 pieces: one 5/8" to 3/8" and a 3/8" to 5/8" which gives me about a 1 1/2" lift.

I'm actually quite sensitive about that toenail! Thank you very much for bringing up bad memories. 
I had an ingrown toenail a long time ago, the dumb a$$ doctor cut the whole nail off instead of just remedying the situation. So now I have this grotesque looking wookie claw instead of a normal toenail. I just tell the girls I had it shot off in the jungles of 'nam. Seems to distract them away from it.

  Thanks that is a much nicer solution to what I was going to do to run my peluso's. +T
 

[Nick's Picks]

honestly, your angles look a little under 110deg.
It always amazes me how that extra 20deg over a perfect square looks so exagerated.  I just dont see that w/your image.

but protractors doent lie.

Redrocks is STEEP.
ORTF from the section would be fine.  As the crow files, you're not far from the PA due to the crazy incline of the bleachers.

[Teen Wolf Blitzer]

honestly, your angles look a little under 110deg.
It always amazes me how that extra 20deg over a perfect square looks so exagerated.  I just dont see that w/your image.

but protractors doent lie.

Or these.   

[manitouman]

honestly, your angles look a little under 110deg.
It always amazes me how that extra 20deg over a perfect square looks so exagerated.  I just dont see that w/your image.

but protractors doent lie.

Or these.   

Those look like they would come in handy! Did you make those yourself? I bought a cheap 97 cent protractor from Wal-mart but it is clear so I can place it directly over the mics to see where my angle is. How much will the sound be affected if I'm off of 110 degrees? Plus or minus degrees? I'm guessing that I would rather the mics be under 110 degrees instead of over because of the mics pointing too far out instead of in. Is this the correct assumption?

+T's all around!

[china_rider]

I can't take credit for this, but here is a template another member of the forum made that covers alot of the different setups.

http://www.taperssection.com/reference/pdf/MicConfigTemplate.pdf

[intpseeker]

IMO if you are further than 100 yards from the stage I'd do din or dina if running hypers.  My experience has shown ORTF doesn't sound very good from the section.  FWIW.  I also have never been to Red Rocks so I may be off for this venue.

You mention dina, and I thought that in other posts they were referring to DIN with active caps/cables.

So how does DIN differ from dina?

[Shawn]

So how does DIN differ from dina?

3 centimeters. 17 for dina and 20 for din, both at 90 degrees.