Topic: MSH-1A omnis, part deux

[mmmatt]

I will. I'll patch together a bunch of 20 footers between one capsule and a pre-amp and use just one 5 footer on the other and record the same source (white noise and some dynamic material) with the mics very close together. That should represent a worse case scenario.

Worst case scenario is in the field!  There you will have 60Hz, PA, light dimmers, etc.  If it is a critical job, don't leave room for error.  Put a preamp near the mics.

  Richard

I run mics on 100' snakes all the time.  Why would these be any different?  They are bnallanced aren't they?  They would have to be for phantom, right?

Matt

[poorlyconditioned]

I will. I'll patch together a bunch of 20 footers between one capsule and a pre-amp and use just one 5 footer on the other and record the same source (white noise and some dynamic material) with the mics very close together. That should represent a worse case scenario.

Worst case scenario is in the field!  There you will have 60Hz, PA, light dimmers, etc.  If it is a critical job, don't leave room for error.  Put a preamp near the mics.

  Richard

I run mics on 100' snakes all the time.  Why would these be any different?  They are bnallanced aren't they?  They would have to be for phantom, right?

Matt

They are balanced, but a little higher impedance.  Go ahead and try it.

  Richard

[Chuck]

Yeah, Richard is right, most modern condensers are ~200 ohms. The MSH-1A's are 600 ohms. This used to be called medium impedence. Some of the old Radio Shack mics with phono plug conectors were 600 ohm mics.  There may be problems using microphones with this impedence with longer cable runs. I'll try to test them soon.

[mmmatt]

+T guys... I wasn't aware that was a problem.

Matt

[mmmatt]

got mine today and just gave them a test in the living room.  These little things are sweet for sure!  Great find Dirk +T again.   I'll run them spit this weekend for a couple local bar bands.  I have two friends who's bands are playing this weekend.  I'll get to try out the ultralite for the first time too (another thanks to Dirk for the sweet dealer hookup on the ultralite  <$500 inc. next day shipping for new>)... wow is that a sweet little toy too!  Unfortunately I can't find my butterfly clips for the msh-1a's... Do I drop $10 at the local electonics shop, or do I do the famed boiling water mod to my old oversized sp shocks
   Dirk, I never did get to d/l the clip from this thread to hear the overloading.  Do you think that was a long cable run issue?  It was on-stage.  Were you, or where you at foh running on the snakes?

Matt

[TNJazz]

got mine today and just gave them a test in the living room.  These little things are sweet for sure!  Great find Dirk +T again.   I'll run them spit this weekend for a couple local bar bands.  I have two friends who's bands are playing this weekend.  I'll get to try out the ultralite for the first time too (another thanks to Dirk for the sweet dealer hookup on the ultralite  <$500 inc. next day shipping for new>)... wow is that a sweet little toy too!  Unfortunately I can't find my butterfly clips for the msh-1a's... Do I drop $10 at the local electonics shop, or do I do the famed boiling water mod to my old oversized sp shocks
   Dirk, I never did get to d/l the clip from this thread to hear the overloading.  Do you think that was a long cable run issue?  It was on-stage.  Were you, or where you at foh running on the snakes?

Matt

I wrapped gaff tape around the XLR connector to get them to fit in a regular clip.  One of these days I'll get some clips for them.  Should have just bought them to begin with I guess.

The second clip is from mics placed onstage, running through the house snake system (probably 75-100 feet) and directly into the Metric Halo.  However, there is also distortion present (very slight) in the previous week's recordings, where the mics were flown on a stand about 20 feet from the stage directly into a Traveler.

I'd say the mics just can't handle the louder sources as well.  As msh put it, "don't put these anywhere you wouldn't put your ears."  I have no doubt they'd shine on acoustic music, but I haven't had an opportunity to try yet.

Dirk

[Chuck]

got mine today and just gave them a test in the living room.  These little things are sweet for sure!  Great find Dirk +T again.   I'll run them spit this weekend for a couple local bar bands.  I have two friends who's bands are playing this weekend.  I'll get to try out the ultralite for the first time too (another thanks to Dirk for the sweet dealer hookup on the ultralite  <$500 inc. next day shipping for new>)... wow is that a sweet little toy too!  Unfortunately I can't find my butterfly clips for the msh-1a's... Do I drop $10 at the local electonics shop, or do I do the famed boiling water mod to my old oversized sp shocks
   Dirk, I never did get to d/l the clip from this thread to hear the overloading.  Do you think that was a long cable run issue?  It was on-stage.  Were you, or where you at foh running on the snakes?

Matt

I wrapped gaff tape around the XLR connector to get them to fit in a regular clip.  One of these days I'll get some clips for them.  Should have just bought them to begin with I guess.

The second clip is from mics placed onstage, running through the house snake system (probably 75-100 feet) and directly into the Metric Halo.  However, there is also distortion present (very slight) in the previous week's recordings, where the mics were flown on a stand about 20 feet from the stage directly into a Traveler.

I'd say the mics just can't handle the louder sources as well.  As msh put it, "don't put these anywhere you wouldn't put your ears."  I have no doubt they'd shine on acoustic music, but I haven't had an opportunity to try yet.

Dirk

I plan to record a blue grass band on Saturday using the MSH-1A's.

[mmmatt]

Well, however you slice it these are great mics for the money.  Thanks for putting the time into them and for hanging around here answering our questions!  Nice buld quality too.  They look very pro.

matt

[Todd R]

Well, today was my 5th anniversary, and my wife got me a Marenius 4 channel mixer, and a pair of these MSH-1A's.

If all goes well, I'll try a DIN cards + 3' spread omnis mix on Sunday outdoors at Nedfest.  If it goes down, I'll report back how it sounds.

Thanks MS for these cool mics!  They look very professional, looking forward to trying them out.

[mmmatt]

Well, today was my 5th anniversary, and my wife got me a Marenius 4 channel mixer, and a pair of these MSH-1A's.

If all goes well, I'll try a DIN cards + 3' spread omnis mix on Sunday outdoors at Nedfest.  If it goes down, I'll report back how it sounds.

Thanks MS for these cool mics!  They look very professional, looking forward to trying them out.

your wife rocks!  +T for #5!

Matt

[Chuck]

I made a recording last night of a bluegrass band with the MSH-1A's:

MSH-1A (35 cm spacing)> PS-2> AD-20> DTR-80p (44.1 kHz, 16 bit)
This is a straight recording. I just transfered it from the DAT, with no EQ or level adjustments.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=70843.new#new

There is lots of bass bloom, but that's to be expected, inside with omnis. Good band too, BTW.

Chuck

[Chuck]

OK, that's the good news... with lower level, acoustic music, the MSH-1A's sound fine...

Now the bad news...

My Cracker recording using the same rig, same spot, same night (with less gain on the AD-20) was unlistenable because of the bass distortion.   

I may try them on Yonder Mountain String Band  at Red Rocks over Labor Day. That is, if I can get psyched about carrying a whole second rig up those steps...

[F.O.Bean]

OK, that's the good news... with lower level, acoustic music, the MSH-1A's sound fine...

Now the bad news...

My Cracker recording using the same rig, same spot, same night (with less gain on the AD-20) was unlistenable because of the bass distortion.   

I may try them on Yonder Mountain String Band  at Red Rocks over Labor Day. That is, if I can get psyched about carrying a whole second rig up those steps...

i know, those steps are ROUGH

[mmmatt]

I ran mine for the first time Frid night and I was very pleased.  It was in a bar with a small system so no spl problems at all.  A little bass heavy but just omni-like in that regard.  I also came up with a nice split omni bar too that worked great with them.  I'm going to post some picturesin rig pics when I get a chance.  it cost me all of $8.30, a few peices I had laying around, and about 5 minutes of time.  These are nice sounding mics, but obviously not suited for loud rock shows.  I'm supposed to be doing some 1/2 assed studio work in the next couple of weeks and they will be used there for the drum kit I think.  Maybe on an acoustic too.

Matt

[Oysterhead00]

I made a recording last night of a bluegrass band with the MSH-1A's:

MSH-1A (35 cm spacing)> PS-2> AD-20> DTR-80p (44.1 kHz, 16 bit)
This is a straight recording. I just transfered it from the DAT, with no EQ or level adjustments.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=70843.new#new

There is lots of bass bloom, but that's to be expected, inside with omnis. Good band too, BTW.

Chuck

Thanks for posting the link....downloaded it and liked the sound so I ordered myself a pair of the MSH-1O's   Hopefully I'll run them (along with my regular rig) next month at a Grace Potter & The Nocturnals show.