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Gear / Technical Help => Battery Boxes, Preamps, Mixers, ADCs, and Processors => Topic started by: airbladder on February 11, 2004, 06:03:37 PM
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I have a minime now and a V2 on the way. Anything I need to know about running this combo? My guess is to run the v2 high and the minime low. I have only run the minime a few times so any help would be great,
Ed :-\
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go buy yourself a tiny ass screwdriver for your calpots on the mme now.
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do a basic calibration on the MMe to the V2 once you get it before you head out to tape. Like Jonny smart-assedly said ;) get a small screwdriver to adjust levels running line-in. This combo produces excellent results.
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If you had a V2, after calibration (presumably at home), why would you need a little screwdriver for the mini cal pots? Wouldn't you just eq l/r levels using the V2?
-Curious m148->minime users want to know
**ps, I may have caused a couple drops in the beginning of my patcher's moe. tape from Sat b/c I dropped the friggin screwdriver into the gear bag...shuffling around I think I jolted the patched m1...finally found the screwdriver thanks to a fellow taper with a nice big ass light...a while before that, I was taping Ratdog at the Beacon and dropped the damn thing in the bag....couldn't find it...red overs going berszerk on the mini...finally I say oh well....taught me that the mini (at least line in) can take more blinking red lights that you would imagine...taped came back clean w/no overs. A moral of the story: use the V2 if at all possible over the screwdriver...ballpark it at home and then go with the V2 live...and run the mini relatively low (to answer your question)..... ;D
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If you calibrate the V2 to the minime beforehand there should be no need to mess with the calpots, all level adjustment can be done on the V2.
Happy taping, nice gear!!!
Ben
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easy cal at home or hell, wherever. Turn the screwpots down to nothing, run the v2 hot. You'll get the nominal 11 dbu out of the mme, and the other 20 or however much you need from the v2. You will never need the screwdriver again. Unlike me and Charlie. Kinda gotten the knack, though, and like DC sez, the mme can take reds. I actually shoot for mostly green, some -2 yellows, and a few reds, no problem ever. Should sound just fabulous, a lot like v2>ad1k did, nice clean, in your face....and yes, much nicer than v3, imo. ;D
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sweet combo!
check the sonic sense site for good calibration instructions.
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If you calibrate the V2 to the minime beforehand there should be no need to mess with the calpots, all level adjustment can be done on the V2.
Happy taping, nice gear!!!
Ben
There is always room for fine tunning no matter the pre-show calibration.
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i haven't run the combo, but i was under the impression that once it's calibrated from a non-dynamic source (ie white noise), you could do all your tweaking off the v2 trim pots, rather than dealing with the screwdrivers...no?
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There is always room for fine tunning no matter the pre-show calibration.
Yea, with the trim knobs on the V2. You should'nt have to touch the MMe if it is calibrated to the V2 correctly.
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i haven't run the combo, but i was under the impression that once it's calibrated from a non-dynamic source (ie white noise), you could do all your tweaking off the v2 trim pots, rather than dealing with the screwdrivers...no?
You are correct.
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word.
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i haven't run the combo, but i was under the impression that once it's calibrated from a non-dynamic source (ie white noise), you could do all your tweaking off the v2 trim pots, rather than dealing with the screwdrivers...no?
Yes, but to me the trim pots on the V2 add noise while the MMe pots do not. Hence, I never touch the trim pots on the V2 and will always adjust on the MMe.
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I just noticed your signature, Jason. :lol:
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I just noticed your signature, Jason. :lol:
Hey, the props go to you. +T
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Minime as low as it will go and keep it there. Crank the V2 and use that to tweek my levels. A little red not a problem with the Apogee. Got it.
Thanks,
Ed ;)
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i haven't run the combo, but i was under the impression that once it's calibrated from a non-dynamic source (ie white noise), you could do all your tweaking off the v2 trim pots, rather than dealing with the screwdrivers...no?
Yes, but to me the trim pots on the V2 add noise while the MMe pots do not. Hence, I never touch the trim pots on the V2 and will always adjust on the MMe.
i use the trim on the v2 at almost everyshow and have never heard any noise being added by them, please tell me what your hearing so i know what to listen for.
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i haven't run the combo, but i was under the impression that once it's calibrated from a non-dynamic source (ie white noise), you could do all your tweaking off the v2 trim pots, rather than dealing with the screwdrivers...no?
Yes, but to me the trim pots on the V2 add noise while the MMe pots do not. Hence, I never touch the trim pots on the V2 and will always adjust on the MMe.
i use the trim on the v2 at almost everyshow and have never heard any noise being added by them, please tell me what your hearing so i know what to listen for.
i have never heard noise added either???
got any samples jason??
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i doubt there is any noticeable noise introduced that could be heard on most playback systems. however, i was reading a review about one of the grace products (one of the links from their page) and the reviewer was talking about how using the 12 position rotary type switch for setting the gain was a much better way of changing the gain than using a potentiometer. from what i gathered, using the rotary switch changes which resistor the circuit inside is using, while a potentiometer is a variable resistor, which is noisier. so by not using the trim, which is a potentiometer, theoretically there is less noise introduced. someone who is further along in EE please correct me if i am wrong.
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id love to hear the tapes from this combo. Imagine how clean that would be...
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using the rotary switch changes which resistor the circuit inside is using, while a potentiometer is a variable resistor, which is noisier. so by not using the trim, which is a potentiometer, theoretically there is less noise introduced.
Bingo.
I simply do not like to use the trim knobs on the V2. Now, on the V3 where the trim pots add gain as opposed to taking it away is a different story.
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using the rotary switch changes which resistor the circuit inside is using, while a potentiometer is a variable resistor, which is noisier. so by not using the trim, which is a potentiometer, theoretically there is less noise introduced.
Bingo.
I simply do not like to use the trim knobs on the V2. Now, on the V3 where the trim pots add gain as opposed to taking it away is a different story.
ahhhh, i see jason :Dthanks
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I ran this combo for a brief period. Ran it all different ways, mic in, line in, the whole 9 yards, they all sounded about the same in the end, makes very good tapes, the imaging of this combo is superb....just too much gear for me to tote...I like to keep it small now.
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i haven't run the combo, but i was under the impression that once it's calibrated from a non-dynamic source (ie white noise), you could do all your tweaking off the v2 trim pots, rather than dealing with the screwdrivers...no?
Yes, but to me the trim pots on the V2 add noise while the MMe pots do not. Hence, I never touch the trim pots on the V2 and will always adjust on the MMe.
If the trim pots on the V2 are making noise, ya better send it in, they (like the V3) were designed to NOT make noise.
Another note - if you're using the digi out on the mme, you should NOT see overs on the deck, as digi should NEVER GO higher than ZERO on the a/d - it will clip there and pass 0 to the deck. Plus the mme has a compressor/limiter you can use, and apogee's is about the kindest going if you have to use one.
Rick
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If the trim pots on the V2 are making noise, ya better send it in, they (like the V3) were designed to NOT make noise.
Let me make this clear.
Technically, the V2 trim pots can add noise to the signal. It is NOT audible in my tapes, but I simply choose not to run the trim on the V2 due to that fact. Simple as that.
Another note - if you're using the digi out on the mme, you should NOT see overs on the deck, as digi should NEVER GO higher than ZERO on the a/d - it will clip there and pass 0 to the deck. Plus the mme has a compressor/limiter you can use, and apogee's is about the kindest going if you have to use one.
Not sure where this came from...
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This was my favorite combo that I ran this summer... V3/V2Minime/Minime
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i haven't run the combo, but i was under the impression that once it's calibrated from a non-dynamic source (ie white noise), you could do all your tweaking off the v2 trim pots, rather than dealing with the screwdrivers...no?
Yes, but to me the trim pots on the V2 add noise while the MMe pots do not. Hence, I never touch the trim pots on the V2 and will always adjust on the MMe.
If the trim pots on the V2 are making noise, ya better send it in, they (like the V3) were designed to NOT make noise.
Another note - if you're using the digi out on the mme, you should NOT see overs on the deck, as digi should NEVER GO higher than ZERO on the a/d - it will clip there and pass 0 to the deck. Plus the mme has a compressor/limiter you can use, and apogee's is about the kindest going if you have to use one.
Rick
are you sure about that, Rick? How many times have you run a mme? I've hit tons of reds on the mme. Never clipped a tape in my life. 50+ shows with the mme. And same experience with the 1k, another 100 or so more, without soft limit.
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Another note - if you're using the digi out on the mme, you should NOT see overs on the deck, as digi should NEVER GO higher than ZERO on the a/d - it will clip there and pass 0 to the deck.
I disagree as well. I rocked the MMe out when I had one and NEVER clipped anything.
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Marc, Mic D -- I run my V3 hot with good results. I'd like to offer a nitpick that may clarify the disagreement between you two and Rick:
I definitely have what one would technically call "clips" (3 consecutive samples at 0) on some of my recordings, and I'm willing to bet you do, too (unless the MMe meters are inaccurate). But they're not audible. And (gasp!) I even have a few on occasion that are audible (oops). But I've decided the V3 clips so gracefully I'm willing to take the chance of occasional clips in return for hotter levels over all.
So, while I've hit plenty of red in recording with my V3, I almost never encounter an audible clip. Perhaps your experiences mirror mine. If so, I don't feel this statement is necessarily at odds with what Rick is saying.
And a nitpick to Rick: the accuracy of portable DAT deck meters I've seen is notoriously poor, so I wouldn't trust my DAT levels a whole lot either until I'd verified their accuracy (or otherwise) against a more reliable metering method and could establish their relative accuracy.
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I run my V2 and MMe extremely hot (ask anyone who's taped with me and they'll agree), and I rarely have audible clips. If there are, they are more often from the V2 and not the MMe. I have, however, had audible clips from the MMe present in a couple recordings. The MMe does not clip like other devices. Other devices that I have heard clip sound like a pop (the mp2 in particular). When the MMe clips, it sounds more like a singe-ing sound (if that makes any sense) than a pop. I have though, clip the MMe on more than one occasion.
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I meant "audible" clip, of course.
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When the MMe clips, it sounds more like a singe-ing sound (if that makes any sense) than a pop.
As odd as that sounds, Jason, that's a pretty good word for what I hear my V3, too. It's almost as though the ADC doesn't clip but rather just compresses the snot out of (i.e. limits) the signal when it hits 0, resulting in a kind of fuzzy, singe-y sound that is obviously more noticable the more severely the signal clips.