Topic: Transfers in the Hotey Pt.2 - Port Protocol

[Just Taper Mark from NC]

did a quick search but didn't see anything but I'm sure I missed something 

anyhow,I'm pretty stupid when it comes to laptops(computers in general)but in shopping
around it doesn't appear that anybody makes them with a firewire port built in so I was wondering how people are hooking up their 7xx series recorders and getting torrents going back at the hotels  seems like recording to a cf card would be the simple solution.is there I firewire>usb cable I can get for my filter or what? TIA!

[Əkoostikal]

did a quick search but didn't see anything but I'm sure I missed something 

anyhow,I'm pretty stupid when it comes to laptops(computers in general)but in shopping
around it doesn't appear that anybody makes them with a firewire port built in so I was wondering how people are hooking up their 7xx series recorders and getting torrents going back at the hotels  seems like recording to a cf card would be the simple solution.is there I firewire>usb cable I can get for my filter or what? TIA!

I know the macbook from a couple years ago has firewire as well as all the new macbook pro models..... I also believe Sony Viao laptops have firewire on them. I think you will only find it on some of the more "high end" lappy's......

I don;t think you can get a Firewire > USB cable since they don't work the same way. I have seen PCI firewire cards though. So you could get a laptop with a PCI slot and just use one of those cards. I am pretty sure there was a thread a few week back discussing this same problem of going Firewire > USB. Not sure if it was a 7xx related problem though...... I do know that Z-Man and some others have gone to using the CF card and then just transferring that way. Z-Man told me that it was faster than using the 722's firewire port, and then he also doesn't have to get the 722 out, connect cable.... ect.....

[fleish]

http://tinyurl.com/ly77k5

Bottom line is you either need a FW port or go the CF route. How you get that depends on what interfaces you have available on your laptop. If it's recent, I'd guess an express card would be the way. If you're in the market for a new laptop & can't find one in your price range that comes with FW (they do exist) then just keep in mind you will need to add something on later.

[Just Taper Mark from NC]

I should have known somebody was going to do the google it for you link   
seriously thanks for the info though,both of you gave me just what I was looking
for info wise.the 2nd part was answered before I even asked it. 

yes I am looking to purchase a new one,looked at a viao but didn't notice a firewire
port on it,hmmm.I'm also not looking to drop $1k or more on something like that where
it's main purpose is for traveling and not fulltime use.maybe i'll go the cf route a while
and play it out from there.thanks again!

[ghellquist]

The port is not always called firewire -- I believe that was a trade marked name. The connection might be called iLink on the Vaio. If it is labled S400 it definitely is firewire. Most often laptops has the smaller 4 pin connector which is perfect to connect the 722, you simply need the right cable. Otherwise, if the lappie has some expansion slot, you should be able to get a firewire adapter without paying very much, PCMCIA or PC express or whatever type your laptop accepts. Not having that, the route is to go by CF Card. The 722 has a specific command to "copy only new files to the CF Card" which can be handy.

// Gunnar

[fleish]

Funny, I'd never heard it called anything other than firewire or IEEE 1394. Regardless of what it may be called, it's the same interface based off the same spec.

More reading for the curious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394_interface

[Just Taper Mark from NC]

went back to office depot and bestbuy.I was beginning to think the bestbuy guys were a bunch of idiots,they kept showing my lappys with "firewire" and I was like "uh,no that's not it" so we went round on that a bit  I finally took the guy over to cables to show him I what I was talking about.turns out laptops come with the new 4 pin firewire and not the 6 pin so I was the idiot there.score 1 for bestbuy employee(rare occasion)

then I saw this beast here and got to thinking why I could use this?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;jsessionid=0353DA61E5054D4766736C82187A9178.bbolsp-app05-10?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_dynSessConf=7473183236648905875&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=dx-c112231&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960

anybody got input on this?

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then I saw this beast here and got to thinking why I could use this?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;jsessionid=0353DA61E5054D4766736C82187A9178.bbolsp-app05-10?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_dynSessConf=7473183236648905875&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=dx-c112231&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960

anybody got input on this?

standard 6pin>4pin cable. If your IEEE1394 port is the mini 4pin variety, then thats what you need as the SD boxes are all normal 6pin. I've got a similar one for USB.

[Just Taper Mark from NC]

sweet,thanks page! I didn't think there would be any issues using a 6pin>4pin cable coming out of the filter to the computer,looks like I got one picked out then. 

[ghellquist]

It is actually a good idea to go through the 4 pin connector every time it is possible. The two last pins are there for power and may carry quite a hefty amount of juice and if you push the connector in upside down this might fry one end of the equipment. The 6 pin connector is not totally "dumb-proof" as it can be forced in upside down far enough to make electrical contact if you work hard enough at it..

// Gunnar

[Just Taper Mark from NC]

this whole thread could have been avoided if only I would have opened my OWNERS MANUAL to PAGE 5 the 2nd paragraph clearly states for appropriate connection use either a 6pin>4pin or 6pin>6pin cable   

thanks still for all the input,always makes me feel better heading in to big purchases
to heed the advice of those who have taken the walk before me.

[fleish]

this whole thread could have been avoided if only I would have opened my OWNERS MANUAL to PAGE 5 the 2nd paragraph clearly states for appropriate connection use either a 6pin>4pin or 6pin>6pin cable   

thanks still for all the input,always makes me feel better heading in to big purchases
to heed the advice of those who have taken the walk before me.

so what you're saying is instead of LMGTFY I should have directed you to RTFM

Seriously though, glad you've got it sorted out.

ghellquist: While I agree it's good advice to beware of shorting something out by accident like that, I'm not sure how one would insert a 6-pin FW400 cable backwards - it's rounded on one end & square on the other:

[ghellquist]

ghellquist: While I agree it's good advice to beware of shorting something out by accident like that, I'm not sure how one would insert a 6-pin FW400 cable backwards - it's rounded on one end & square on the other:

Agreed. But if you look around there are a lot of reports on firewire equipment getting burnt. Better safe than sorry is my suggestion. Whenever I remember it I use 4 to 6 cable with a 6 to 4 converter in order to not transfer the power lines.

// Gunnar

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ghellquist: While I agree it's good advice to beware of shorting something out by accident like that, I'm not sure how one would insert a 6-pin FW400 cable backwards - it's rounded on one end & square on the other:

1) It may be speed of insertion, or may be related to any sort of angle of insertion, don't know. Some TS folks have burned theirs. 

2) As for getting it to go, you obviously need to consider turning in your "I'm an American" card. When reason and logic fail, try harder. 

[fleish]

ghellquist: While I agree it's good advice to beware of shorting something out by accident like that, I'm not sure how one would insert a 6-pin FW400 cable backwards - it's rounded on one end & square on the other:

1) It may be speed of insertion, or may be related to any sort of angle of insertion, don't know. Some TS folks have burned theirs. 

2) As for getting it to go, you obviously need to consider turning in your "I'm an American" card. When reason and logic fail, try harder. 

1) That's what she said

2) That's what she said

 

[Gordon]

turns out laptops come with the new 4 pin firewire and not the 6 pin

those aren't new buddy

[Just Taper Mark from NC]

turns out laptops come with the new 4 pin firewire and not the 6 pin

those aren't new buddy

hey man I'm just now making my 1st laptop venture here and know nothing about them
so cut a brother some slack.look how long it took me to break away from DAT 

but my whole world has been turned upside down with windows 7 and what does/doesn't work on it so now I got learn something else besides wavelab 

[Gordon]

good luck!  still rocking xp pro here 

oh and I think there is a way to run in xp and use wavelab.  check out the 7 threads.

[Just Taper Mark from NC]

alright gordon,I got my vaio so don't run out on me now! 

[boojum]

IIRC the problems with FireWire and USB shorting/failure in the 7nn series resulted from hot plugging and unplugging the boxes.  I now plug my box in and then turn it on.  This is the safest way.  And use the "eject" function of your MS system when done and then turn the 7nn off and unplug it.  These are extra steps but IIRC SD recommends this.  It is the safest way.

[Just Taper Mark from NC]

well everything worked flawless this weekend after one minor glitch which was my fault and a quick fix after a couple hours sleep but when I got the actuall torrent set up and tried to start my seed it wouldn't go because the hotel had ports blocked.soo...

I'm sure some of you have encountered this before so what do you do?

[Gordon]

no matter what at any hotel anywhere you will show up as "firewalled"  ie ports blocked.  this generally doesn't matter and you can still upload.  as you found out this isn't always the case.

couple things.  never use the "bit torrent port" 6881 or whatever.  use something random over 30k (at home as well).

if there is a ethernet connection use it instead of wireless.

check if you can upload before hand.  I find a torrent on etree with a roughly even number of seeders and leechers.  jump on for a few mins to see if you are able to upload.  remember at the hotel your ports are always "blocked" but it shouldn't matter most of the time.  if you are able to upload on a regular torrent you should have no issues seeding one.

NEVER ask the hotel about blocked ports or let them know what you are doing.  they don't like you taking all the bandwidth


so moral of the story is 99% of times uploading from the hotel goes off without a hitch even though you are "firewalled".  1% of the time you can't.  better luck next time!

[Just Taper Mark from NC]

w3rd

as soon as I hit the driveway it was 2 clicks and the 1st one was up before I had the front door open,the 2nd one took a bit longer because I had to go see what the bathroom had been up to while I was gone 

[fleish]

If you have the option in your torrent client, don't statically set the port at all. Try to use NAT-PMP or UPNP so your computer can try to negotiate with the router and get an unused port that the router will then NAT through for you so you don't appear "Firewalled".