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Gear / Technical Help => Battery Boxes, Preamps, Mixers, ADCs, and Processors => Topic started by: Massive Dynamic on September 30, 2005, 12:30:42 PM
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I sold my pmod UA-5 a few months ago after I decided I didn't like how it sounded with my mics, and started using Hosa MIT-176 line transformers instead. I recorded a whole festival using either Audix M1290 > PS-2 > MIT-176 > modSBM > M1 or Peluso CEMC6 > PS-2 > modSBM > M1. I had plenty of gain with the Audix, the Peluso's were so hot I could run line in, and I never needed an HPF.
Would my recordings have really sounded better using a V3, or would I be better off skipping the pre entirely and putting any extra money I have into better mics?
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do whatever sounds best to your ears.
personally, I like having a preamp. :)
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Would my recordings have really sounded better using a V3, or would I be better off skipping the pre entirely and putting any extra money I have into better mics?
A V3 would reveal the limitations of your mics. IMO, the MIT-176s provide nice clean, inexpensive gain. The modSBM-1 is one of the better 16-bit ADCs. So you're far better off upgrading the mics.
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A V3 would reveal the limitations of your mics. IMO, the MIT-176s provide nice clean, inexpensive gain. The modSBM-1 is one of the better 16-bit ADCs. So you're far better off upgrading the mics.
Well, I'm selling both the Audix and modSBM, and I returned my defective pair of Pelusos. Have you tried running your new 414s line in, yet?
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I've been running my Superluxes without a pre for a few months now. There have been a number of occasions where I did not have enough gain to get the levels where I would like them - even with the AT CP8201 line transformers and the JB3 set to its max (+12dB). It is for this reason that I'm very excited to get a Busman2-mod UA-5 (thanks to keepongoin' and busman2!!!).
If your mics give you levels you're comfortable with, you can certainly get by without a pre, esp. (as Sax said) if you like what you hear.
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Well, I'm selling both the Audix and modSBM, and I returned my defective pair of Pelusos. Have you tried running your new 414s line in, yet?
No, I've only run them in to my V3 and T+ UA5, dunno how they'd fare running line-in. But the XLS are much more sensitive than my old ULS, that's for sure.
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I've been running my Superluxes without a pre for a few months now. There have been a number of occasions where I did not have enough gain to get the levels where I would like them - even with the AT CP8201 line transformers and the JB3 set to its max (+12dB). It is for this reason that I'm very excited to get a Busman2-mod UA-5 (thanks to keepongoin' and busman2!!!).
If your mics give you levels you're comfortable with, you can certainly get by without a pre, esp. (as Sax said) if you like what you hear.
that UA-5 should arrive at busman2's house today if it isn't there already. i sent it UPS ground.
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Funny, I was just gonna start a new thread here....
I have a related question: for a new low-weight rig as a secondary option, i've put together MK012s > Rolls 12-48V PS > GP ADC-20 > DATs/Jb3s.
i always liked the way my oktavas sounded with the DMIC20 i had a while back....any reason the above wouldn't work out ?
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.any reason the above wouldn't work out ?
not sure but i think you're gonna need line transformers in there. no gain in the setup you described.
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is there a link to where i can read more on this ?
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is there a link to where i can read more on this ?
Read more on...what, exactly?
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is there a link to where i can read more on this ?
Read more on...what, exactly?
if/why someone would need line transformers if they were running straight from a 48V PS (like my rolls) > an ADC-20, using the gain stage from the ADC-20 to get proper levels....
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is there a link to where i can read more on this ?
Read more on...what, exactly?
if/why someone would need line transformers if they were running straight from a 48V PS (like my rolls) > an ADC-20, using the gain stage from the ADC-20 to get proper levels....
does the adc-20 have preamps as well? i can't remember
if yes: then there is not a need for line transformers. the question is...will you be able to tweak the gain to your recorder for optimal recording levels? does the adc-20 have variable gain?
if no: then line transformers will be needed to up the mike level to a line level to feed the adc-20.
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i want your (brian) sax !
sax is natural, sax is fun
sax is best when it's one on one ;D ;D
thanks man, i'll ask John R if he knows .... i know there's no 48V phantom power, but there is a way to adjust levels, not sure if that qualifies or not....i'm a llama
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i want your (brian) sax !
sax is natural, sax is fun
sax is best when it's one on one ;D ;D
thanks man, i'll ask John R if he knows .... i know there's no 48V phantom power, but there is a way to adjust levels, not sure if that qualifies or not....i'm a llama
then it doesn't have preamps but has variable gain *line in*
you'll need transformers if you are going directly into your adc-20
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sweet bri, swisher sweet ! thanks again....where can i pick those up ? the love shack ?
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a fellow st. louis taper uses these: AT CP8201 i'd recomend them or any brand other than the Hosa's ;)
do a froogle.com search. you can find them for around 10 bucks a pop
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i want your (brian) sax !
sax is natural, sax is fun
sax is best when it's one on one ;D ;D
thanks man, i'll ask John R if he knows .... i know there's no 48V phantom power, but there is a way to adjust levels, not sure if that qualifies or not....i'm a llama
then it doesn't have preamps but has variable gain *line in*
you'll need transformers if you are going directly into your adc-20
Are we talking about the Denecke AD-20 or the Graham Patten ADC-20? There is always confusion around the model numbers. The Denecke actually DOES have a preamp and may in fact be fine w/ no transformers. The Graham Patten does not have a preamp and would likely require transformers to get enough gain. Better yet, do you know if it looks like this? http://www.denecke.com/images/ad20.jpg
Here's a quote from Denecke on theirs...
"The AD-20 is a high quality battery operated microphone preamp coupled with a low noise 20 bit ADC. The SPDIF outputs are optical and coaxial and can drive standard consumer DAT machines or computers that accept digital audio I/O cards, such as the Zefiro ZA-2. The main use for the AD-20 is location recording. Most low cost DAT machines have noisy front ends and a good preamp with a higher bit converter can improve the signal to noise by up to 15dB."
Mitch
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I've been pleased by using line transformers in lieu of a pre as well. Only reason that I would want a pre, would be to warm up the sound. The AT's are a bit bright to my ears, but I'm pleased for the most part.