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Title: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: raoulduke on May 14, 2015, 10:46:47 PM
Are the ADK A51-TL and ADK TL the same 4 pattern [card, omni, hyper, figure 8] mic? Did ADK remove the "A-51" at some point and simply go with TL?
Title: Re: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: goodcooker on May 15, 2015, 01:05:39 AM
Correct. They are the same.

Mine say Model TL just like the ones pictured.
Title: Re: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: Hypnocracy on May 15, 2015, 08:21:30 AM
My old pair had A-51TL on them...and the standard 4 patterns....

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-raYX63rYdLo/VJ2emhDDRgI/AAAAAAAAB0E/oXHCcvp1LpI/w464-h619-no/20141226_124327.jpg)
Title: Re: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: Gutbucket on May 15, 2015, 09:23:17 AM
My original matched pair are engraved with 'A-51TL'.  The two singles I picked up later are engraved 'Model TL'.  Otherwise they look, perform and sound identical to my ear.  I always meant to call Larry at ADK to ask if there were any other internal changes other than the name engraving, but I've never gotten around to it.
Title: Re: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: raoulduke on May 16, 2015, 08:24:52 AM
Thanks for the replies everyone. Here's what Larry had to say:

Quote from: Larry Villella
Identical Electronics, but the first 600 Ser # have a six micron capsule, after 600 a three micron.  Most folks swap for our new 3 Zigma Aerospace Capsules that emulate one of the five best vintage mics of all times (C-12, U-47, U-67, ELam 251, M49).
 
We replaced the TL Series with a whole new division that uses these high-tech capsules – www.hybridmic.com
 
Let me know if you want to know more about the new capsules!
 
Musically yours,
Larry J. Villella, Founder -  ADK))) - 3 Zigma Audio
Title: Re: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: JimmieC on May 16, 2015, 07:00:56 PM
Someday I would like to send mine in to get the capsules replace but not sure which one.
Title: Re: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: SmokinJoe on May 17, 2015, 07:40:17 PM
I love my TL's just the way they are.  Replacing the capsules might make it better for certain studio duties but less special for ambient recording.

I've had 2 pairs of TL's, one marked each way, and I could never tell the difference sound wise.
Title: Re: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: Gutbucket on May 18, 2015, 09:45:13 AM
I love my TL's just the way they are.  Replacing the capsules might make it better for certain studio duties but less special for ambient recording.

^^This.

A big attraction of the TL for ambient recording is it's transparency (also it's pattern selection which includes a supercardioid pattern option).  All their other, current LD capsules seem to be intended primarily for close studio recording, emulating historic microphones with significantly non-flat frequency responses which flatter various sources.  That's the market for LD mics.  Some of those may be a good match for ambient recording, others no.   There isn't nearly as much market for LDs with a flatter response intended for more distant ambient recording.  I'm glad the TL exists and dig the it for exactly what it is.  Great for ambient recording, not my 1st choice as a vocal mic.
Title: Re: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: JimmieC on May 18, 2015, 03:00:04 PM
Upgrading the capsules would not remove the multi-pattern selection, right?  I thought the high frequency bump of the C-12 would be nice.  To me, a mid to high frequency bump seems to bring out the vocals and cymbals more in a live recording.  Unfortunately, sometimes it bring out the chatter too.  However, I'll probably just leave them alone and save the money.
Title: Re: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: Rally_AK on August 11, 2015, 04:11:33 PM
Upgrading the capsules would not remove the multi-pattern selection, right?  I thought the high frequency bump of the C-12 would be nice.  To me, a mid to high frequency bump seems to bring out the vocals and cymbals more in a live recording.  Unfortunately, sometimes it bring out the chatter too.  However, I'll probably just leave them alone and save the money.

No, I have a pair with the GK-12d caps (same as C-12, I think) and all patterns still work as designed. The caps need to be dual diaphragm though. These are the best sounding mics I've ever owned, I like them better then the schoeps cmc64's I had years ago but there is nothing stealth about them, they are big.

Here's a matrix I pulled on Saturday with the TL's. The mix is almost 50/50 SBD to Mics, with the SBD a little higher to help with vocals.

https://archive.org/details/gat2015-08-08.matrix.flac16 (https://archive.org/details/gat2015-08-08.matrix.flac16)
Title: Re: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: JimmieC on August 11, 2015, 05:18:18 PM
Nice Rally_AK.
Title: Re: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: barrettphisher on August 21, 2015, 07:46:42 PM
My last outing I had a downpour and I think I might have damaged the either the electronics or the capsules in my TL's.  Tried the rice trick to dry them out and had the same results.  So I sent them along to ADK.  If the capsules are damaged I'm swapping out to the 12's.  I really liked all the samples I found with them.  Plus I'm going 11+ years of the TL'S and I kinda want to switch up the sound.  I will update my post as I learn more.
Barrett Miller
Title: Re: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: barrettphisher on September 01, 2015, 05:43:36 PM
Well the TL's got swapped out yesterday from the stock caps to the C12's.  They should be here sometime soon.  Can't wait to get them out in the field!!!
Barrett Miller
Title: Re: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: caymanreview on September 01, 2015, 05:45:10 PM
cant wait to hear some samples Barrett!
Title: Re: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: barrettphisher on September 05, 2015, 05:55:07 PM
TL's in hand.  Going to test them out this weekend.  Now if I only had a show to go to! 
Barrett Miller
Title: Re: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: barrettphisher on November 14, 2015, 04:20:03 PM
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=583409

Thanks to skaggs for uploading.  Here are the new and improved TL's.
Title: Re: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: caymanreview on November 14, 2015, 04:21:35 PM
How do you feel about them compared to the originals?
Title: Re: ADK A-51TL / ADK TL
Post by: barrettphisher on November 14, 2015, 05:05:34 PM
I like them a lot more.  After running the mk4v's for the last few years my tastes tended to lean that way.  The TL's were nice and transparent especially with the V3.  These now seem to have more thump, a more in your face up front presence, and cleaner mids than before.  I need to get them outdoors and split them now  >:D. 
Barrett