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Gear / Technical Help => Ask The Tapers => Topic started by: newplanet7 on February 12, 2008, 08:03:39 PM
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Hello all.
I am going to get this clamp
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/298908-REG/Windtech_MPC_10_Multi_Position_C_Type_Clamp.html
I was wondering about extension poles for it.
I may clamp to the arm of my seat at a few mmw shows coming up
to be lower profile.
Any suggestions?
Thanks fellas.
-todd
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I like the bogen " C" clamp with Bogen extension pole
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/5598-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_3369_3_Section_Extension_Pole_35_.html
bogen " c" clamp
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/252212-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_649_Quick_Action_Release_Clamp.html
(http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/items/252212.jpg)
extension pole
(http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/largeimages/5598.jpg)
(http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=ProductDetail&A=showItemLargeImage&Q=&sku=5598&is=REG)
(http://gallery.mac.com/scott.malone/100139/IMG_0653/web.jpg)
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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/5598-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_3369_3_Section_Extension_Pole_35_.html
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I've been quite happy with my Bogen/Manfrotto 3104. http://www.camcor.com/cgi-bin/cat/id=1191508730&src=fg (http://www.camcor.com/cgi-bin/cat/id=1191508730&src=fg)
I use it with a clamp or to extend my 3373 FOB stand. With velcro ties, it fits pretty snug to the folded 3373 which is great for traveling. It's a pretty compact alternative to lugging around a large stand. It's not a great festival set up. I have a much bigger Bogen for those occasions.
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The gear pictured above: Bogen Quick Release Clamp and the Bogen 3369 extension pole is what I use. Rock-solid combo, IMO. I've used it to clamp to theater seats' arms like the Beacon Theatre - NYC, Shea's PAC - Buffalo, the Palace Theatre - Albany, etc. These theatres all have the old-school seats, with arms varying in size and space. This combo has never failed me once. Never. 3369 extends to 7+ feet. Clamped to a theater seat, it will get up to about 9 feet.
Do it! ;D
http://www.adorama.com/BG3369.html
http://www.adorama.com/BG3346.html?searchinfo=bogen%20clamp&item_no=36
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The gear pictured above: Bogen Quick Release Clamp and the Bogen 3369 extension pole is what I use. Rock-solid combo, IMO. I've used it to clamp to theater seats' arms like the Beacon Theatre - NYC, Shea's PAC - Buffalo, the Palace Theatre - Albany, etc. These theatres all have the old-school seats, with arms varying in size and space. This combo has never failed me once. Never. 3369 extends to 7+ feet. Clamped to a theater seat, it will get up to about 9 feet.
Do it! ;D
http://www.adorama.com/BG3369.html
http://www.adorama.com/BG3346.html?searchinfo=bogen%20clamp&item_no=36
7+ feet? Perhaps my 3104 will be YS bound. :P I might just have to upgrade.
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Got this
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/5160-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_2909_2909_Super_Clamp_with.html
and this
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/74314-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_237HD_2896HD_Heavy_Duty_Flex.html
for Christmas.
I really like the rig.
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Got this
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/5160-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_2909_2909_Super_Clamp_with.html
and this
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/74314-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_237HD_2896HD_Heavy_Duty_Flex.html
for Christmas.
I really like the rig.
superclamp is great but the quick release" c " clamp does better with old theatre seats like the beacon theatre. I tried the superclamp before I used the bogen quick release " c " clamp but it did not fit well enough on the seat so i went with the quick release " c " clamp as show in the pics above. I also have the heavy duty flex arm and that is great also, but not high enough to get over the crowd to about 9 ft.
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Wow!
Thanks for all the suggestions.
I am thinking the 3369 extension pole.
The bogen c clamp looks as if you can only use the extension arm when clamping vertically.
Is that right?
The reason I chose the windtech c clamp was because you can change out the little stud
through the vertical hole and horizontal hole.
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u46/newplanet7/wndtch-c-clamp.jpg)
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I like the bogen " C" clamp with Bogen extension pole
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/5598-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_3369_3_Section_Extension_Pole_35_.html
bogen " c" clamp
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/252212-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_649_Quick_Action_Release_Clamp.html
(http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/items/252212.jpg)
extension pole
(http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/largeimages/5598.jpg)
(http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=ProductDetail&A=showItemLargeImage&Q=&sku=5598&is=REG)
(http://gallery.mac.com/scott.malone/100139/IMG_0653/web.jpg)
Do you get excessive rumbling noise from the crowd while using this combo? I think Moke posted to watch out for that a while back and I have been fearful of ruining recordings because of that, otherwise I'm ready to pull the trigger on your suggestion.
Kush
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i have a super clamp and the windtech clamp. i would not trust the windtech with an extension pole plus mics. it works great just for my vert bar and mics but i wouldn't want anything that could cause excessive leverage. if you bumped it with an extension it could fall. the super clamp and the others mentioned are much more sturdy
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The screw on part on the windtech is not long enough for the 3369 to attache to it
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Kush,
I have never had a "rumbling noise" situation with the QR/3369 combo. Never. And I've recorded with it under a balcony, in very congested seating, while dealing with loud intoxicated concert-goers. A real keeper, IMO. Can't go wrong.
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I like the bogen " C" clamp with Bogen extension pole
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/5598-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_3369_3_Section_Extension_Pole_35_.html
bogen " c" clamp
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/252212-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_649_Quick_Action_Release_Clamp.html
(http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/items/252212.jpg)
extension pole
(http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/largeimages/5598.jpg)
(http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=ProductDetail&A=showItemLargeImage&Q=&sku=5598&is=REG)
(http://gallery.mac.com/scott.malone/100139/IMG_0653/web.jpg)
Do you get excessive rumbling noise from the crowd while using this combo? I think Moke posted to watch out for that a while back and I have been fearful of ruining recordings because of that, otherwise I'm ready to pull the trigger on your suggestion.
Kush
The picture above was actually from the Gov't Mule run at the beacon theatre for NYE, I thought the 3 nights came out good. I dont hear any vibration in the recording. Shockmount seems to work well. And it is a rowdy crowd. I taped from 5th row Warren's side. On the other end of the pole is
(http://gallery.mac.com/scott.malone/100139/IMG_0648/web.jpg)
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bluntforcetrauma and spyder9,
You guys just made my day, thanks again!
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Wow!
Thanks for all the suggestions.
I am thinking the 3369 extension pole.
The bogen c clamp looks as if you can only use the extension arm when clamping vertically.
Is that right?
The reason I chose the windtech c clamp was because you can change out the little stud
through the vertical hole and horizontal hole.
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u46/newplanet7/wndtch-c-clamp.jpg)
I dont know if you have actually seen the Windtech clamp in person. I own them also, but they will not hold an extension pole of any kind. The bogen quick release is much sturdier and bigger ooffering more surface area for better BOS ( base of support) footprint
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I dont know if you have actually seen the Windtech clamp in person. I own them also, but they will not hold an extension pole of any kind. The bogen quick release is much sturdier and bigger ooffering more surface area for better BOS ( base of support) footprint
Nope, that I haven't.
So I am thinking I will go with everyones suggestions.
Will I need any other adapters for mounting the pole to the clamp?
+t's all around everyone.
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No adapters needed. Perfect fit.
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G-damn, I love this place ;D
Really thanks for all the feedback and your time everyone.
-todd
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You'll need a Windtech if you want to clamp to anything vertical, like someone else's mic stand. Its not quit wide enough to go around most pipes/posts though... The Windtech can also be turned for horizontal surface, like table tops, armrests, railings, etc...
For your 393s, it will be perfect for most situations.
But I think for what you want to do, the Bogen QuikClamp, with the extension, is recommended. The Windtech won't hold up.
However, the BQC only works on horizontals, so you'll still eventually need the Windtech.
I had to go with a Bogen SuperC for mounting my TLs, I just didn't trust the screw on the Windtech for holding that much weight...
Just my random thoughts on clamps...
(http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/characterpics/clamps.gif)
http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/clamps.dhtml
Terry
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my 2 cents: i have what i believe is the best clamp ever, a rowi 103, but the windtech clamp never leaves my bag
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Just an FYI - if you end up with a super clamp, I have one for sale here:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,98782.0.html
I love the super clamp + HD flex arm for seated head height shows.
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Windtech is great for clamping onto other people's stands, but I agree it's not strong enough for an extension pole.
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Thanks fellas.
Where are those ROWI 103 clamps sold?
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Thanks fellas.
Where are those ROWI 103 clamps sold?
ebay and that's about it. They aren't available new anymore.
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I have been looking at these also.
http://www.filmtools.com/2cand3ccenja.html
(http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/cinemasupplies_1985_337267862)
for 5/8 threading
http://www.filmtools.com/2mmicmoun.html
(http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/cinemasupplies_1985_337571021)
Double stud
http://www.filmtools.com/3ddoublespud.html
(http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/cinemasupplies_1985_55065609)
http://www.filmtools.com/cardellini-clamps-cardellini-com.html
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I have one of the Cardellinis... It will clamp to a rail or arm like no other... only drawback is it weighs a ton.
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does anyone know if this flexarm fit in the clamp pictured below:
237HD Heavyduty Flexarm $25
http://www.adorama.com/BG237HD.html
(http://www.adorama.com/images/Product/BG237HD.JPG)
work with this?
BG649 Quick release C clamp $50
http://www.adorama.com/images/Product/BG649.JPG
(http://www.adorama.com/images/Product/BG649.JPG)
which looks to be the same model as this other Bogen clamp (only cheaper)
BG3346 $58
http://www.adorama.com/BG3346.html?searchinfo=bogen%20clamp&item_no=36
(http://www.adorama.com/images/Product/BG3346.JPG)
Also found this Adorama branded Super Clamp w/ Stud for only $18
http://www.adorama.com/LTPC.html
(http://www.adorama.com/images/Product/LTPC.JPG)
Anyone used the clamp below with the extension pole for theatre taping? Doesn't look like it would open wide enough to clamp to seats.
the Bogen Mini Clamp
http://www.adorama.com/BG2941.html
(http://www.adorama.com/images/Product/BG2941.JPG)
and Mini Clamp Extension $19 I guess you would use this to make a 90 degree turn?
http://www.adorama.com/BG2949.html
(http://www.adorama.com/images/Product/BG2949.JPG)
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The specs and pics tell a lot about the different gear posted and how it might work together. Generally speaking, most clamps / extensions / mic bars have either a 1/4"-20 thread, a 3/8" thread, a 5/8"-27 thread, or a 5/8"-male stud. Fortunately, it's easy to find adapters to swap between all those options. But, of course, connecting two pieces natively without adapters is often preferable.
Per the specs, the Bogen 237HD FlexArm has a 3/8"-female threaded base, so it'll fit any clamp that can accommodate a 3/8"-male threaded tip, whether natively or with adapters to convert 5/8"-27-male > 3/8"-male, or 1/4"-20-male > 3/8"-male, or 5/8"-male stud > 3/8"-male thread (like the Bogen Rapidapter (http://www.adorama.com/BG3102.html)).
The BG649 C Clamp specs are a little more ambiguous, but from the pics looks like it has a 3/8" threaded tip on top of a 5/8" male stud. So it should either work with the Bogen 237HD FlexArm natively (3/8"-male on the clamp + 3/8"-female on the FlexArm), or would require a conversion from 5/8"-male stud > 3/8"-male thread (like the Bogen Rapidapter (http://www.adorama.com/BG3102.html)). If, by chance, the threaded tip is actually 1/4"-20-male (doubtful, based on the following parenthetical comment), it would require an adapter to go from 1/4"-20 > 3/8"-male thread. (FWIW, the gold-colored adapter at the bottom of the pic looks to me like a 1/4"-20 thread on top of either a 3/8"-female or 5/8"-20-female thread. Can't tell since we can't see the bottom of the thread adapter, but I assume the adapter has a 3/8"-female thread for easy conversion of the native 3/8"-male tip to a 1/4"-20-male tip.)
As for the Adorama-branded SuperClamp, it has a reversible stud: a 5/8"-male stud with a 1/4"-20-male tip, or a 5/8"-male stud with a 3/8" tip. The Bogen 237HD FlexArm would fit on either - the latter natively (3/8"-male thread on the clamp + 3/8"-female thread on the FlexArm), the former with a 1/4"-20-male > 3/8"-male adapter, or either with a 5/8"-male stud > 3/8"-male adapter (like the Bogen Rapidapter (http://www.adorama.com/BG3102.html)).
As for the Bogen MiniClamp, I'm guessing it uses the same reversible double-ended stud as the above Adorama-branded SuperClamp, so the same options would apply.
Finally, yes - the Mini Clamp Extension allows one to make a 90ยบ turn when the extension's slotted into a SuperClamp. The tip of the extension is 5/8"-male stud, and what looks like a 3/8"-male thread. So the aforementioned Rapidapter would work for sure. But if it is, in fact, a 3/8"-male threaded tip, then no adapter would be necessary to connect the Bogen 237HD FlexArm. On the off-hand the extension's threaded tip os 1/4"-20, again, you'd simply need to convert 1/4"-20 to 3/8" to attach the FlexArm.
So, basically, you can connect the FlexArm to any of the clamps listed, it's just a question of how. The above's probably a bit confusing, and I mix up the different threads/adapters all the time, so feel free to ask clarifying questions.
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For clamping to irregular surfaces (or to anything really) I go with the Pedco ultra-clamp
http://www.pedcopods.com/specsulc.htm (http://www.pedcopods.com/specsulc.htm)
end is pivotable in two places plus rotates 360, so you can get any strange angle you need with it.
cost ya around $20 lots of sources online.
I'd also take a standard boom arm over the bogen extension so you don't have to be limited to sticking it to something with a lighting stud. You can also get a boom arm locally and skip shipping costs.
YMMV
JAson
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Thanks for the detailed answer Brian.
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o.k., so I solved my problem. Went to Lowes and found the parts that I needed to be able to run mics on the Heavy Duty Flex Arm without having to buy a rapid adapter. Now the end with the tiny camera mount can lock into the clamp and the end with the 3/8 female threading can be used for mics. Below are the parts I used.
1) 3 inch 3/8-16 threaded rod (couldn't find any smaller)
2) 3/8-16 x 7/16 T-nut (makes a great platform for stereo bar)
3) 3/8-16 Locking nut (for stability at the base)
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/NOLAfishwater/Quarterinchextension002.jpg)
In action
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/NOLAfishwater/Quarterinchextension001.jpg)
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I've enjoyed this thread, it's been helpful...thanks to all the great people here who like to help others. The world needs more of you.