Topic: How Do You Track Encore Breaks?

[stevetoney]

I'm sure this has been discussed before,  but I don't really remember...

I personally prefer to just stick the encore break onto the end of the last track before the actual encore...IOW I don't make a separate track for the encore break because I figure that's one less button to push if I want to skip to the next song...push track forward once instead of twice.  I've contemplated cutting out the break altogether, but I've decide against that for two reasons; first the encore chants just seem an integral part of all concerts, and the encore break (to me anyway) is part of the total show duration.  It seems like I'm in the minority though and that most people will track the break as a separate track.

Anyody have strong feelings about this or is there an 'officially unofficial' TS protocol? 

[acidjack]

I usually break the encore break out as a separate track, including all banter up until the actual first song of the encore starts.  But that's just how I prefer to listen to things myself.

[Gil]

I usually track it where the song begins leaving all of the pre-encore tuning/banter/crowd at the end of the previous track.

Some people are ridiculously track happy. Like adding seven banter tracks throughout totalling three minutes combined.

[mattmiller]

Encore break tacked onto previous track.  Same with any kind of banter or story-telling -- I just tack it onto the previous track UNLESS the musician is playing an extended intro to the song WHILE talking, in which case I start the new track.

[rhinowing]

I only put a separate track if it's a long break or there's banter

[StuStu]

I add the encore break as a separate track. I start a new track when the encore song, not banter, begins.

[tay666]

With me, it depends on how long the break is.
Under 3 minutes, and it goes on the end of the last track.
5 minutes or more, and it gets it's own track.
Between 3 and 5 minutes is kind of a no-mans-land for me.
Depends on how the break feels, if there is anything of note (chanting, etc)

Same method I use for between song talks.

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

I only put a separate track if it's a long break or there's banter

Yeah, I do this, depending on what's happening on the tape... 

Terry

[faninor]

I just make the break its own track -- that way the playlist in foobar doesn't disappoint (woah a 12 minute version of song abc? no, 5 minutes of that is crowd noise). I've recently become what I guess you call a "track happy" person and put most banter into separate tracks. That way it all makes more sense when you listen to a track out of the context of the full concert which is what I do a majority of the time lately.

[lastubbe]

I like it tracked separately as I think song track timings should be timings of music, not crowd noise. 

In addition, it gives folks the option to delete it, not burn it etc if it means space savings.

I only include banter as part of a tune strictly if it's a meaningful song introduction, as I feel it adds to the listening experience of that tune, preferably only if it's within a reasonable amount of time before the tune starts.  Any other non song specific related banter I leave at the end of the previous track.

There's something to be said for expecting the music to begin instantly or almost instant of starting a track (thus my belief of having an intro/tuning track).  I hate firing up a show, kicking back and waiting for the tune to begin when I could have skipped the band walking out on stage/tuning.

2 cents.

EDIT: I strongly disagree with deleting the encore break.  The show should stay in tack.  It's all about the experience.  I did this once but it was only with the 16 bit version, and won't do it again.

[dean]

Depends on length.  >1 min I usually make a cut after 20-30 sec., then fade out with 3-5 sec. fade in to start next track.

I also create separate banter tracks generally if banter is > 1 min or any time they introduce the musicians.  I'll go < 1 min. if the banter is significant/important, and not just chit chat.

[bhtoque]

I'm in the new track if it is long club. I can't stand a track with a ton of noise at the end. I wait, expecting something to happen, then wish I just skipped ahead.

JAson

[rastasean]

I usually let the last song roll for about 10 seconds of the crowd. cut track and if its 3-5 minutes of crowd shouting, I'll shorten it up to a minute or so and then have the encore track at the very end. the crowd cheering is nice but 3-5 minutes is just too much to hear. during this time, glass bottles become very audible being thrown away and I don't think that is completely necessary.

[page]

separate track for reasons listed above (13min rendition? fail....). The exception is if it's a really short encore "break".

[Belexes]

I usually track it where the song begins leaving all of the pre-encore tuning/banter/crowd at the end of the previous track.

This is what I do. Even if there is pre-song banter, I am really only concerned with the song.