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Re: What's so great about the UA5?
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2004, 01:19:46 PM »
its popular because its a preamp and an analog to digital converter unit in the same box, it costs about a third as much as a Lunatec V3, and you can get it modified to produce the sound that you want or the sound that works best with your mics, thus its popularity

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Re: What's so great about the UA5?
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2004, 01:25:56 PM »
The MiniMe and V3 are the only other all-in-ones I can think of off the to of my head - and considering the price, it no wonder the UA5 is more common.

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Re: What's so great about the UA5?
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2004, 02:18:41 PM »
Not to belabor the point, but you should know I can't pass up an opportunity to direct someone to the Archival Info forum:  Ahem!  From the UA-5 FAQ:

Why the heck is the UA-5 so dang popular?

There are good reasons so many tapers are using the UA-5 for field recording!  The UA-5s feature set, overall quality, and price point make it an extremely attractive option for both newbie and experienced tapers alike.  At ~$300 for an Oade-mod digi-mod UA-5, or even less for a DIY digi-mod UA-5, the UA-5 offers a broad, quality feature set:
  • 16-bit or 24-bit
  • phantom power
  • preamp
  • ADC
  • selectable sample rate (32kHz - 96 kHz)
  • may be used for running audience + soundboard mixes
  • may be used for 3- or 4-mic mixes
  • easily powered via RC batteries
  • simultaneous USB, coax, and optical outputs if digi-modded
I'm sure I've forgotten plenty here, but hopefully this helps answer some of the more common questions about the Edirol UA-5.
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Re: What's so great about the UA5?
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2004, 06:37:12 PM »
Nice thread.  I plan on buying a UA-5 after the holidays.  Gonna keep the PS2 > AD20 for stealthing only.  UA-5 is a phat box.  Price and sound .... there is no better.  Any recommendations for a mod for me?  I'm running AKG C568EB shotguns.  20-20,000 hz.  Grabs lows wonderfully.  I'll check the FAQ and Oade in the meantime.  Thanks guys.   

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Re: What's so great about the UA5?
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2004, 06:48:26 PM »
Has anybody tried the UA-25? looks real good on paper. Tho it not  being modded it has to be good right out of the box. Can't tell me everybody is running a modded UA-5. I've heard some pretty sick shows done on un-modded UA-5s.
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Re: What's so great about the UA5?
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2004, 06:51:00 PM »
Has anybody tried the UA-25? looks real good on paper. Tho it not  being modded it has to be good right out of the box. Can't tell me everybody is running a modded UA-5. I've heard some pretty sick shows done on un-modded UA-5s.

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Re: What's so great about the UA5?
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2004, 01:11:49 AM »
Has anybody tried the UA-25? looks real good on paper. Tho it not  being modded it has to be good right out of the box. Can't tell me everybody is running a modded UA-5. I've heard some pretty sick shows done on un-modded UA-5s.

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Re: What's so great about the UA5?
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2004, 03:00:54 PM »
to my ears, the best sounding one box, even stock, period. the mme pre is too bloated in the lows and lacks detail throughout the range...the v3, plenty of high end detail, but a weird overall thinness and metallic sound I do not like...plus it's no more than 1/3 the cost of those boxes, even after the digi and warm, transparent or presence mod. I've not heard a bad sounding ua-5 tape.

the ergos kind of suck, but for that price?

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Re: What's so great about the UA5?
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2004, 04:02:33 PM »
to my ears, the best sounding one box, even stock, period. the mme pre is too bloated in the lows and lacks detail throughout the range...the v3, plenty of high end detail, but a weird overall thinness and metallic sound I do not like...plus it's no more than 1/3 the cost of those boxes, even after the digi and warm, transparent or presence mod. I've not heard a bad sounding ua-5 tape.

the ergos kind of suck, but for that price?

I ran a std. UA-5 and a Wmod UA-5 for awhile when Doug first starting doing these mods and I also agree it produced some damn fine sounding tapes - IF you ran the right kind of mics through it (some mics sound better through other types of pre's or Oade upgrades). The reason I upgraded to a V3 (also looked and listened to MMe real hard before I made my choice - and yes it was a tough thing to swallow spending another $700 investment to buy a used one) was several factors that were important to me that the UA-5 just couldn't deliver :
- V3 has nuclear proof case and is very well built for field use; UA-5 resembles an old Coors can enclosure and is well made overseas in a mass produced factory. The quality is just not there and is very apparent when you do a side by side comp.
- V3 has such a clean/transparent pre you just can't hear any noise when really running the gain at high levels (for acoustic shows, quiet performances, etc) I found the UA-5 starts to get way noisy past 3:00 setting on the gain. This used to drive me crazy listening to all that hiss – one of my biggest issues!!! NOISE!!!
- V3 has very accurate, easy to ready level meters. UA-5's -3db peak level just didn't cut it for me.
- V3 is also very, very easy to adjust the levels on, no phantom power switch that can be accidentally activated, etc. Layout on the V3 is very well done.
- V3 allows you to really hear what your mics truly sound like - no coloration at all....just VERY clean transparent sound (once again you need to decide if this is for you or if you need coloration to fill/hide/enhance your sound/mics).
- V3 runs on 6VDC which my D8 also uses (no dual source PS or batt packs - can run common power setup for all)
- V3 has a very nice range for low-cut options!! SWEET

Not sure what Marc "ate" to hear any thinness or metallic sound from a V3, perhaps a chunk of foil??(hee,hee) Regardless I think much of it has to do with what sound you are trying to obtain or capture while you are recording, what TYPE of music you intend to record and what types of mics you plan to use NOW and in the FUTURE as well as how much you can afford to spend. Do any of my reasons listed above justify spending an additional $700 clams to get those features??? Perhaps not, but it really doesn't matter to anyone else.....I felt it was worth the extra cash and its my fucking money!!

As you become more involved in this hobby (or should I say more “addicted”) and you gain more and more experience (from personal experience and from others) you tend to “raise the bar” a little higher in terms of expectations from your recordings. This may fall into categories of sound capture, gear performance, reliability, etc. & ease of use. Some of these mean less to a taper when just staring out (did to me) and I also questioned really hard about spending more just to gain that little characteristic I was hoping to achieve. Bottom line is ask yourself how many shows do you plan to tape each year and if what you do tape makes you happy in terms of sound quality and the overall experience!! Its not all about if the combo puts out but also if you enjoy running the gear!! To me half of the fun is setting up & running my gear!! If I do nothing but struggle while running my rig its not gonna allow me to reach the tapers “ZONE”!! Remember there is a zen like approach to taping!!! Just my personal experiences and opinions – your results may vary!!

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Re: What's so great about the UA5?
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2004, 04:17:25 PM »
very well said LoS - i couldn't agree more.  i was rocking out the sony ecm > md 2 years ago, now i'm at audix > v3 and still looking at all the different mic options for my next spending spree.


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Re: What's so great about the UA5?
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2004, 04:34:09 PM »
The MiniMe and V3 are the only other all-in-ones I can think of off the to of my head - and considering the price, it no wonder the UA5 is more common.

Metric Halo ULN-2 ... it was $500 if you were already a MIO user and preordered. Best $500 I've spent on this hobby. Pre/ADC/DAC/headphone amp. The only catch is that you need to have a Mac to set it up.

very nice sounding all in one box.

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Re: What's so great about the UA5?
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2004, 05:04:53 PM »
- V3 has nuclear proof case and is very well built for field use; UA-5 resembles an old Coors can enclosure and is well made overseas in a mass produced factory. The quality is just not there and is very apparent when you do a side by side comp.
- V3 has such a clean/transparent pre you just can't hear any noise when really running the gain at high levels (for acoustic shows, quiet performances, etc) I found the UA-5 starts to get way noisy past 3:00 setting on the gain. This used to drive me crazy listening to all that hiss – one of my biggest issues!!! NOISE!!!
- V3 has very accurate, easy to ready level meters. UA-5's -3db peak level just didn't cut it for me.
- V3 is also very, very easy to adjust the levels on, no phantom power switch that can be accidentally activated, etc. Layout on the V3 is very well done.
- V3 allows you to really hear what your mics truly sound like - no coloration at all....just VERY clean transparent sound (once again you need to decide if this is for you or if you need coloration to fill/hide/enhance your sound/mics).
- V3 runs on 6VDC which my D8 also uses (no dual source PS or batt packs - can run common power setup for all)
- V3 has a very nice range for low-cut options!! SWEET

I also find the V3 offers significantly more/better detail across the board and has a much smoother and more coherent soundstage.  That said, if I didn't have the V3, I'd have a UA-5 (in fact, I did before I got my V3).
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Re: What's so great about the UA5?
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2004, 10:14:09 PM »
I have used V3,MMe,stock UA5, and WUA5. I was shocked at how good the Wmod sounds. I can say from my experience that I prefered the WUA5 to the MMe. I have yet to try the TMOD which will be soon. So I can't say if I would prefer it to the V3. But at the price point of the TMOD+, I won't be able to justify the added expense of a V3. But you must keep in mind that I use a lappy and the ability to use the UA5 without a VX pocket was a bonus to me.
As for Doug and his integrity. There are members on this board that swear by his 248 and 148 and will not run any other pre other than Doug's hand made pres. And if you have ever heard them you know what I mean.  I personally don't have a problem paying him for his mods and feel that his experience is worth the money I pay to have them done.
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Re: What's so great about the UA5?
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2004, 10:18:17 PM »
I think the conclusion to some of this would be that once you get past a certain pricepoint, you end up paying a lot more for a lot less.  Hope that makes sense.
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Re: What's so great about the UA5?
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2004, 11:33:30 AM »
Has anyone ever seen a THD spec for this device? Or is this all subjective?

 

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