Topic: ORTF with Hypers???

[notsofast]

I did exactly what jlykos & Bean did with my Hypers DIN (17 cm / 90*)  and I am so very happy with the results. Will post my pull of Perpetual Groove to LMA latter this week and will welcome comments as this will be my first posting.

Tim

[F.O.Bean]

I did exactly what jlykos & Bean did with my Hypers DIN (17 cm / 90*)  and I am so very happy with the results. Will post my pull of Perpetual Groove to LMA latter this week and will welcome comments as this will be my first posting.

Tim

NICE!!! I ran Hypers/NOS at the RAQ NYE show for NYE and was AMAZED at the results. I ran Hypers/DINa on 12/30 and was just 3 rows behind where I was setup for NYE and the Hypers/NOS came out AMAZINGLKY KICKASS!!! I am SOOO GLAD that I bought all of the KwonBars before XMAS before Cascademedia.net closed down. Now I have the DINa/DIN and NOS KwonBars and am ready for everything coming my way. Now all OI need is the MBHO Subcards and the single MBHO Figure-8 capsule I already ordered and my rig is ready for the next level

Bean

[stober]

I've been doing some listening on archive and noticed more than once where people ran hypers in ORTF.

If any of them are mine it was a mistake. Last year at Bonnaroo and Langerado I thought I was running my mk4's but instead I was using my mk41's.So there where a few times I ran them ortf.I can't believe I did it at TWO festivals but I did.

[Jammin72]

Many hypers can be run with that configuration.  Look at the polar pattern chart for your mic, in general you can run with an included angle of 2X where 1K drops off by 3db on the chart.  In the case of the CK63 it's right in the range of 50-55deg so it's not a stretch to get good results using ORTF.

[deadheaded]

O.R.T.F. is not about the angles.  it is about the spacing.  17 Centemeters.
if using cardiods you run at 110*  if using hypers you run the angles at 90*.  same 17 cm spacing just different angles based on the capsules being used.  i run mk-41's only.  i run them at 17 cm @ 90*.  in my recording notes i always call it O.R.T.F.   some people call hypers at 90* 17 cm spacing DINa.

[Brian Skalinder]

O.R.T.F. is not about the angles.  it is about the spacing.  17 Centemeters.
if using cardiods you run at 110*  if using hypers you run the angles at 90*.  same 17 cm spacing just different angles based on the capsules being used.  i run mk-41's only.  i run them at 17 cm @ 90*.  in my recording notes i always call it O.R.T.F.   some people call hypers at 90* 17 cm spacing DINa.

FWIW, you're labelling your recording notes incorrectly.  As John W already noted previously in the thread, ORTF = cardioids with 17cm spacing and 110º included angle.  It isn't about the spacing, it isn't not about the angles, and it isn't one thing with hypers and another with carioids.  It's about the specific combination of pattern, spacing, and included angle.  Any configuration that is not cardioid, with 17cm spacing, and 110º is -not- ORTF.

[DSatz]

Brian, I agree with you, and there's one more thing: small-diaphragm condenser microphones must be used.

This isn't "according to me"--it's according to the developers of the ORTF system, Messrs. Condamines and Laracine.

--best regards

[Jammin72]

I'm trying to find where I read this... but I recall reading somewhere that when originally developed the French used hypercardiods but for now I'm having a hard time relocating that data... 

[Will_S]

I'm trying to find where I read this... but I recall reading somewhere that when originally developed the French used hypercardiods but for now I'm having a hard time relocating that data... 

I also thought I remembered reading that when I first saw this thread, but I couldn't google it back up.

[stevetoney]

I'm trying to find where I read this... but I recall reading somewhere that when originally developed the French used hypercardiods but for now I'm having a hard time relocating that data... 

You're having a hard time finding the data because French hypercardiods retreated behind the front lines and prepared to surrender, but cardiods stepped out front to save ORTF recording...hypers have a short memory and are bitching about it now.

[Javier Cinakowski]

I'm trying to find where I read this... but I recall reading somewhere that when originally developed the French used hypercardiods but for now I'm having a hard time relocating that data... 

French hypercardiods retreated behind the front lines and prepared to surrender, but cardiods stepped out front to save ORTF recording...hypers have a short memory and are bitching about it now.

Part of the problem was that the French-hypers failed to take into consideration the reverberation and angular distortion.  The cards were able to porperly inplement these variables by reading their copy of the "Stereophonic Zoom."  The SZ is not availible in French....

[notsofast]

Could we agree on calling them by the proper term, "freedom" hypers, please.

 

Tim

[nedstruzz]

I've run hypers in an ORTF fashion and recieved great results.  Typically FOB in an outdoor or WSP enviornment.

[Petrus]

All mics, angles and distances are legal, as long as you get pleasing results...

I have even used hypers with a Jecklin disc, it happened to have mic suspensions attached at the moment. Childrens choir in a slightly too revibrant studio. Worked fine, if not "by the book".  Angle was about 60 deg.

[Brian Skalinder]

No question people should use what works best.  The "standard" well-known configurations are just a starting point.  But that doesn't mean recordists should misappropriate the names of the "standard" configurations.  I, for one, am having fun more and more breaking away from the "standards" and using the Stereophonic Zoom go guide my starting point.