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Title: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: LastJoyRide on January 30, 2022, 04:36:25 PM
I apologize because I realize this is a dumb question, but it'll be my first time taping an open-taping band (Drive-By Truckers). I have the stand and all the gear. Do I need anything stating that I'm bringing this stuff in or am I gonna be good? Should I expect security to hassle me any?
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: goodcooker on January 30, 2022, 05:34:57 PM

Drive By Truckers are very good at informing venues of their open taping policy so you shouldn't have an issue. If you do ask someone from security to radio the tour manager to get approval.

don't block any high traffic areas or take anything for granted (like asking the FOH if it's okay to set up your stand behind the soundboard cage if it's crowded and you need protection)
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: Twenty8 on January 30, 2022, 07:48:31 PM
Before I had a dedicated bag, I brought my gear in a backpack with the stand on the side-straps.  We all started somewhere.

Check to see if the venue has a clear bag policy.  If you have time, get one.  Amazon or the like.

Don't feel like you have the break the bank on a bag when you first get started.  Some of the most experienced people here use soft-sided coolers to both kudos and high utility cheers.

I wouldn't expect too many security hassles depending on the venue, but yeah, if you can get behind/beside the soundboard its favorable.
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: seethreepo on January 31, 2022, 11:38:20 AM
I apologize because I realize this is a dumb question, but it'll be my first time taping an open-taping band (Drive-By Truckers). I have the stand and all the gear. Do I need anything stating that I'm bringing this stuff in or am I gonna be good? Should I expect security to hassle me any?

what shows are you hitting?
I'm going to a bunch on the west coast. 
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: kindms on January 31, 2022, 01:12:47 PM
I apologize because I realize this is a dumb question, but it'll be my first time taping an open-taping band (Drive-By Truckers). I have the stand and all the gear. Do I need anything stating that I'm bringing this stuff in or am I gonna be good? Should I expect security to hassle me any?

Not a dumb question AT ALL. Its the one stressor we all deal with especially at new venues even with Bands who are awesome about notifying security etc

going in with other tapers can sometimes be helpful (sometimes not)  ;D
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: rocksuitcase on January 31, 2022, 01:59:17 PM
I will add to kindms that of course security is going to be security. Often, some guys you encounter at the door may have just arrived and missed the security meeting so even if one of them say, "you can't bring that stuff in here" do not be deterred. Ask for someone with a walkie talkie, then ask them to call back for the tour manager, "is audio taping allowed?". They are only doing their job as they think it is defined; be patient, kind and affirmative (as in, you KNOW the band is OK with it).
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: eman on January 31, 2022, 02:41:44 PM
The venue may still veto recording even if the band is ok, so do your research on that. This is especially true in places like NYC where unions take offense at any "work" being done where they don't get paid. Backpacks are right out- so many venues have a no backpack rule that most of us don't even try anymore. One strap good, two straps bad.
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: JiB97 on January 31, 2022, 10:57:17 PM
this is the type of post that i wish the +T system was still here for

definitely not a dumb question, we all had to start somewhere!

my advice would be that if you see another taper talk to them and try to roll in with them and explain it is your first time open taping and i am sure they will be more than happy to help with anything.

if you find yourself rolling in solo i would do my best to ascertain where a good spot is if you haven't already scoped out this type of thing beforehand. then, enjoy yourself!
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) on February 01, 2022, 12:29:17 AM
I apologize because I realize this is a dumb question, but it'll be my first time taping an open-taping band (Drive-By Truckers). I have the stand and all the gear. Do I need anything stating that I'm bringing this stuff in or am I gonna be good? Should I expect security to hassle me any?

what shows are you hitting?
I'm going to a bunch on the west coast.

Exactly this. Let us know the shows you are hitting up. I always like to try to meet up with anyone else that might be taping before doors so we can all go in together. For DBT there is a good chance you won't be the only taper (although not as good as someone like Phish, and it does seem like they are getting recorded less frequently than in the past).



Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: lastnightsverse on February 01, 2022, 06:53:22 PM
two things that never hurt: get there early and fist bump the board engineer
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: u2_fly_2 on February 02, 2022, 11:22:29 AM
Check all your batteries before you leave home and bring some new unused just in case as well...Be there well ahead before the main act starts...if it´s possible try to tape the supporting band as well...Good luck!
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: DavidPuddy on February 02, 2022, 11:29:41 AM
Expect to get hassled at the doors, be pleasantly surprised when you don't
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: billydee on February 03, 2022, 07:03:45 PM
two things that never hurt: get there early and fist bump the board engineer
And at the end of the night, thank him or her for the pristine sound!
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: lastnightsverse on February 04, 2022, 01:23:55 AM
two things that never hurt: get there early and fist bump the board engineer
And at the end of the night, thank him or her for the pristine sound!

Hah, just got back from taping at a club that I tape at regularly, I'm sitting down for my relisten and was just thinking this. it's so nice to become buddies with the sound people you see over and over at the same venues.
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: seethreepo on February 05, 2022, 07:33:45 PM
for shows/ venues that use in house sound guys I always offer a copy if running open . Cant hurt. 
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: LastJoyRide on February 07, 2022, 12:48:24 PM
Thanks for the tips, everyone! Show ended up getting postponed but this was really useful info.
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: gormenghast on February 07, 2022, 05:33:36 PM
Wouldn't hurt to reach out to the band and see what they think, especially if they are a smaller not so well known band.  I've done this many times and had mixed responses.  Trout Steak Revival was new on the scene and said I could tape and even gave me permission to patch the board but at this one venue the house sound man said no and to go somewhere else.  Same venue New Monsoon's sound man offered access to the board but I was testing out my new to me VMS02IB.  Saw New Monsoon again and they remembered me and offered a soundboard patch but I wanted to run the 4v's and Nbox.

 
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: CorFit Chris on February 07, 2022, 10:19:15 PM
I'd add, google image the venue ahead of time and try to get some images around the sbd area.  It's nice to see what you are working with.  Seams that tripods are getting some shade these days, so an area to clamp can be real nice.  Also, look on Live Music Archive for other recordings at the venue you are hitting up.  Often they have the blueprint spelled out for you.  I also like to have the bands taper policy on my phone, just in case you need additional exhibits for your case.  I've had a lot of luck over the years reaching out to smaller touring bands on Facebook Messenger.  Let them know your stoked for their show, and you want to get their permission to tape it.  Be sure to tell them you will post it to their page on Live Music Archive.  Often they will leave your name at the door.  You will feel like a king walking in the venue knowing your name in on the guestlist!

And...rehearse your BS.  "It's just audio...Hell, I can't even figure out the video on my iphone"; "I record the live shows for the band"; "The band wants me to do this...I taped their Austin show last night and Houston the night before"; "You don't want Dallas to be the only show that doesn't get recorded on this tour?!".  You get the picture.  Good luck moving forward.  Just know that pre-show anxiety never goes away, and your local venues are where you build confidence, so get out as much as possible and make friends with the local sound guys.  Welcome to the Jungle!!!
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: relefunt on February 09, 2022, 12:18:05 AM
I hope everybody reading this who is thinking of taping DBT this year will get there early and record the opening band for much of the tour, Ryley Walker.

He is an amazing songwriter and you are going to be impressed. Plus he is enthusiastically pro-tapers. If he finds out you are taping and he offers to give you free merch because you are a taper, please do not accept. Like all musicians he needs that money.

Check him out on the live music archive, frequent posts on NYCTaper.com, and the Bandcamp page for his label, Husky Pants.
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: lastnightsverse on February 09, 2022, 02:00:30 AM
I hope everybody reading this who is thinking of taping DBT this year will get there early and record the opening band for much of the tour, Ryley Walker.

He is an amazing songwriter and you are going to be impressed. Plus he is enthusiastically pro-tapers. If he finds out you are taping and he offers to give you free merch because you are a taper, please do not accept. Like all musicians he needs that money.

Check him out on the live music archive, frequent posts on NYCTaper.com, and the Bandcamp page for his label, Husky Pants.

i had tickets for a Dinosaur Jr / Ryley Walker show but it got covid'ed out.
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: kindms on February 12, 2022, 09:27:03 AM
I hope everybody reading this who is thinking of taping DBT this year will get there early and record the opening band for much of the tour, Ryley Walker.

He is an amazing songwriter and you are going to be impressed. Plus he is enthusiastically pro-tapers. If he finds out you are taping and he offers to give you free merch because you are a taper, please do not accept. Like all musicians he needs that money.

Check him out on the live music archive, frequent posts on NYCTaper.com, and the Bandcamp page for his label, Husky Pants.

this genuinely had me laughing. +T
Title: Re: How do I bring my gear in for an open-taping band?
Post by: DATBoy on April 10, 2022, 09:57:20 PM
Wouldn't hurt to reach out to the band and see what they think, especially if they are a smaller not so well known band.  I've done this many times and had mixed responses.  Trout Steak Revival was new on the scene and said I could tape and even gave me permission to patch the board but at this one venue the house sound man said no and to go somewhere else.  Same venue New Monsoon's sound man offered access to the board but I was testing out my new to me VMS02IB.  Saw New Monsoon again and they remembered me and offered a soundboard patch but I wanted to run the 4v's and Nbox.

Soundmen with egos and mental illness add to a lot of anxiety that almost never goes away. Some just are in it for the control and insults to match - and I will never forget the rude ones despite being kind. It's hard to know who those are until you ask them directly. That's one of the biggest problems - you never know if you can be allowed permission to do anything unless you ask.