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What y'all using for windsceens these days?
« on: November 07, 2021, 01:26:46 PM »
So I have been running the DPA UA0896 screens made for the DPA4011 with my AKG c460b|ck3 setup for the past 15 years and it dawned one me during this past Phish Vegas run that I should replace them as they are starting to fall apart and I don't want to damage my mic capsules with little pieces of windscreen material.

So, should I just buy a new pair of these or have there been improvements in the windscreen game that I am not aware of?

I have a pair of the Movo furry guys for my ck8s but was looking for something that is similar to the DPA screens I have that offer protection in mildly windy environments and something I can just run indoors too without coloring my recordings too much. If I tape outside in a windy environment I have a pair of dead rats that I made to fit over the DPA screens.

I am aware of the "big ass" Shure windscreens but don't think I need them for 95% of the taping I do so I have never bought them.
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Re: What y'all using for windsceens these days?
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2021, 02:49:03 AM »
On my second set of 0896s.
Love em.
Like any foam screen, pull them off the end of the mic so there is a bit of a pocket of still air.


I am certain that other screens can protect more but these work for my needs.
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Re: What y'all using for windsceens these days?
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2021, 06:38:28 AM »
Bought these for my DPA402X -
 https://www.adorama.com/mvwst50.html

Used them last weekend and they are great. Had 20MPH gusts and no wind leaks. All wind screens take out some high end. Though these seemed minimal in those regards. Very well constructed and only cost 15.95 each. In the thread above they said you do not need dead rats over them.
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Re: What y'all using for windsceens these days?
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2021, 12:13:38 PM »

I got out my DPA screens to use them a few weeks ago and got black crumbly particles all over my desk.

I think I'm going to replace them with the same screens instead of trying something new.

I have 3 sets of screens -

Very small cheapo foam for indoors in best conditions - mainly for peace of mind
DPA for indoors where a big fan or HVAC might be an issue or outside in favorable conditions
Movo WST50 for outside when it's likely to be gusty

I've had less then stellar results with the DPAs outside - I live in the Midwest and it can get gusty with no real warning.
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Re: What y'all using for windsceens these days?
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2021, 01:01:21 PM »
Bought these for my DPA402X -
 https://www.adorama.com/mvwst50.html

Used them last weekend and they are great. Had 20MPH gusts and no wind leaks. All wind screens take out some high end. Though these seemed minimal in those regards. Very well constructed and only cost 15.95 each. In the thread above they said you do not need dead rats over them.

Yep, think I am gonna grab a pair of these and then also the Schoeps B5s for indoor work.

Just found out there are B5 and B5D and the BFDs seem to have a little more air around the capsules vs. the B5, at least according to Schoeps: https://schoeps.de/en/products/accessories/wind-popscreens/hollow-foam-type-windscreens/b-5-d.html

Anyone running these B5Ds and can comment on them vs. the regular Schoeps B5s?
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Re: What y'all using for windsceens these days?
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2021, 12:38:21 AM »
Many years ago I ruined a few recordings when the wind turned out to be stronger than I'd anticipated. Since then, the relatively few times that I record outdoors I've deliberately been a bit overly protective about wind. It's like the way that I'd rather record at 6 dB too low a level rather than 3 dB too high. Or maybe I'm just being respectful of the way that nature doesn't always heed my wishes.

Anyway, to answer your question directly, I use the B 5 D particularly when I record narration at close miking distances. It's also ideal for voiceovers when you're using an end-addressed capsule, or basically any time you're close-miking a speaking or singing voice on axis with such a capsule. It was designed for use on stage during an outdoor concert of "The Three Tenors" that Decca planned to record and to issue as a CD and a DVD (see photo below). The mission was to protect from breath noise and "popping" without coloring the sound any more than absolutely necessary.

The stage was inside a large concert shell--a "semi-controlled" environment, you could say. The fact that the B 5 D (or the B anything) works as a windscreen is a nice side effect, but with that size and shape it's strictly for mild wind. The "B" stands for "Besprechungsschutz", which means "close-talking guard" in the older, U.K. usage. The usual American English translation these days is "popscreen". Informally they are sometimes called "windscreens" but that can lead to unfortunate misunderstandings and disappointed expectations in my opinion.

Schoeps' actual windscreens--designed to take into account the fact that wind can come from any or all directions--all have product names that start with "W" (= Windschutz). There is a W 5 D with an internal structure like that of the B 5 D; externally it's larger and spherically shaped. See https://schoeps.de/en/products/accessories/wind-popscreens/hollow-foam-type-windscreens/w-5-d.html

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Re: What y'all using for windsceens these days?
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2021, 02:06:31 AM »
Many years ago I ruined a few recordings when the wind turned out to be stronger than I'd anticipated. Since then, the relatively few times that I record outdoors I've deliberately been a bit overly protective about wind. It's like the way that I'd rather record at 6 dB too low a level rather than 3 dB too high. Or maybe I'm just being respectful of the way that nature doesn't always heed my wishes.

Anyway, to answer your question directly, I use the B 5 D particularly when I record narration at close miking distances. It's also ideal for voiceovers when you're using an end-addressed capsule, or basically any time you're close-miking a speaking or singing voice on axis with such a capsule. It was designed for outdoor concerts of "The Three Tenors" (see photo below), to protect from breath noise and "popping" without coloring the sound any more than absolutely necessary.

The fact that the B 5 D (or the B anything) works as a windscreen is a nice side effect, but with that size and shape it's strictly for mild wind. The "B" stands for "Besprechungsschutz", which means "close-talking guard" in the older, U.K. usage. The usual American English translation these days is "popscreen". Informally they are sometimes called "windscreens" but that can lead to unfortunate misunderstandings and disappointed expectations in my opinion.

Schoeps' actual windscreens--designed to take into account the fact that wind can come from any or all directions--all have product names that start with "W" (= Windschutz). There is a W 5 D with an internal structure like that of the B 5 D; externally it's larger and spherically shaped. See https://schoeps.de/en/products/accessories/wind-popscreens/hollow-foam-type-windscreens/w-5-d.html

--best regards

Thanks for the reply and information, always appreciated.

A local fella I used to see at shows used those W5Ds with his CMC6|mk41 setup indoors and then used the BBG ones outdoors, always seemed to do a good job at mitigating wind.
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Re: What y'all using for windsceens these days?
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2021, 05:22:39 PM »
Bought these for my DPA402X -
 https://www.adorama.com/mvwst50.html

Used them last weekend and they are great. Had 20MPH gusts and no wind leaks. All wind screens take out some high end. Though these seemed minimal in those regards. Very well constructed and only cost 15.95 each. In the thread above they said you do not need dead rats over them.

Most people know I sing the praises of these windscreens at every opportunity. I originally purchased them to use with my CM3s at marching band competitions, where they successfully mitigated gusts of over 40 mph. Most recently, I used them at an outdoor choral concert on a small stage set back into the woods, where it was quite breezy. Zero wind noise.

I agree that they take very little HF out of the picture. My experience with "dead rats" has been much worse with this.
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Re: What y'all using for windsceens these days?
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2021, 10:30:11 AM »
I'm liking the Windtech screens.  Made in USA, and quality.  I'm noticing less interference than with my furry MOVO screens.

Windtech SG-1 for light-mid duty for AKG eb568
Windtech BG-1 for heavy duty for AKG eb568

Windtech 20/421 for Neumann TLM 102 for most conditions, I add a MOVO furry cover if needed

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Re: What y'all using for windsceens these days?
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2021, 10:53:51 AM »
My DPA windscreens are shedding already at under 3 years old. I have ordered some B5s for indoor use and have Movo "ballistics" for outdoors.

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Re: What y'all using for windsceens these days?
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2021, 10:58:24 AM »
I use these indoors with Gefell, Milab, DPA & Schoeps.  Highly recommended, great screens, dual layer design for efficient reduction of very light wind. 

https://vintageking.com/sennheiser-mzw8000-dual-layer-windshield

 
If I have any doubts at all about the wind severity I use the Movo's listed below.  Depending upon the mics, active or full body, I use the Movo WST50 or WST80 Ballistic outdoors for any wind above a whisper.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1499733-REG/movo_photo_wst50_nylon_windscreen_with_acoustic.html

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1499734-REG/movo_photo_wst80_nylon_windscreen_with_acoustic.html?sts=pi-ps&pim=Y



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