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AKG 414 XLS
« on: April 01, 2005, 03:54:56 PM »
Anyone run the latest version of the 414's ? Just curious about thoughts and feedback



edited: to add i just noticed a long thread about folks waiting for them. Anybody get theirs yet ?
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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2005, 05:45:20 PM »
Speaking of the devil... ;)

I just called Sonic Sense five minutes ago. They finally got my pair and I'll have them sometime next week. Wooohoooo!  8)

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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2005, 11:25:17 AM »
the 414s are not common mics for the general taper crowd, but are quite common in most studios.  due to the superior off-axis performance of SD mics over LD mics, most LD mics are not that common in the recording of live venues,  but i have used the 414s on small ensembles and do occasionally run into others who use them for chamber music and similar.  from my experience, when micing in the diffuse field, the 414s do best when used in blumlein or MS.  when my son's last composition (an opera) was recently debuted in austin texas, the engineer used a pair of 414s in MS with flanking pair of EW omnis.  i tend to prefer blumlein with these mics.  they are pretty versatile and quite good for a number of applications - which IMHO is the kind of mic to invest in.  i see far too many studio engrs who think they need several kinds of mics and preamps, each with its own "flavor" and spend lots of time trying to match up mic/pre combos for various singers - from my experience, what is needed are neutral, flat, transparent mics that do not color what you are recording.  good flat mics can be used for anything - you can always manipulate/mangle the sound during post.  i am sure you will like the 414s - best of luck.

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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2005, 01:45:54 PM »
414's ROCK UP FRONT...have fun
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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2005, 03:41:58 PM »
Here's the original thread.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=37621.0

I just picked one up this week.  I have to scrape together some cash in the next 2 weeks to pick up another.  I think if they work out, I'll have these mics for a long time.  Versatility is what I'm looking for.  And the predecessor, B-ULS, has an excellent reputation.  The B-XLS is a quantum leap in improvement over the B-ULS, based on specs alone.

I'm gonna keep my AKG 568 shotguns for theater stuff and potential matrix recordings with the B-XLS.
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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2005, 05:29:29 PM »
Well fellas I finally took the plunge and ordered my matched pr. from SS. Parker said it would probably take 4-5 weeks (fingers crossed)

Cant wait to give these puppies a run
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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2005, 05:38:14 PM »
CONGRATULATIONS to my taping buddy.   ;D
NOW we will have major hardware for this upcoming festy season.
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2005, 05:56:22 PM »
Great looking mic! 5 patterns! :o Sweeeeeeeeeet.

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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2005, 06:24:17 PM »
these are the only mics ive thought of selling the 480's for, 5 patterns are badass!

i justcant do it yet tho :P
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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2005, 06:35:56 PM »
adding the subcard bump these mics up a league imo....
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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2005, 07:50:01 AM »
these are the only mics ive thought of selling the 480's for, 5 patterns are badass!

i justcant do it yet tho :P

I dont know if i'd do that.
I've taped w/414s B-ULS's for a year solid, and the 480's were always on the stand w/my 414s.  so I got to do a lot of comparring.

for the most part, the 480s have more of that AKG signiture "sizzle" (the 414s have it to).  better off axis rejection and MUCH more detail in more acoustic situations.

the 414s can rule the world when the conditions are perfect.  Very versitle, and sound simply marvelous run coincident.
If I had the choice though, i'd buy the new 414s again.  I like playing w/all that versitility.  They also have a massive soundstage.  HUGE sounding recordings.  MEGGA bass and its solid as a rock.

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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2005, 09:17:27 AM »
these are the only mics ive thought of selling the 480's for, 5 patterns are badass!

i justcant do it yet tho :P

I dont know if i'd do that.
I've taped w/414s B-ULS's for a year solid, and the 480's were always on the stand w/my 414s.  so I got to do a lot of comparring.

for the most part, the 480s have more of that AKG signiture "sizzle" (the 414s have it to).  better off axis rejection and MUCH more detail in more acoustic situations.

the 414s can rule the world when the conditions are perfect.  Very versitle, and sound simply marvelous run coincident.
If I had the choice though, i'd buy the new 414s again.  I like playing w/all that versitility.  They also have a massive soundstage.  HUGE sounding recordings.  MEGGA bass and its solid as a rock.



Thats what I like to hear. Plus we still got the 460's so our stands will look very simialr me thinks. With VX pocket 440 I could get really creative but would need anoth pre-amp w/ phantom
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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2005, 12:00:56 PM »
adding the subcard bump these mics up a league imo....

Tim,
Could you "explain" the use of the subcard:

i.e. I don't rewally know what it's function is and when you would/wouldn't use it?
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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2005, 04:56:54 PM »
adding the subcard bump these mics up a league imo....

Tim,
Could you "explain" the use of the subcard:

i.e. I don't rewally know what it's function is and when you would/wouldn't use it?

If you're DFC, inside the the 10th row.  Wider pickup pattern than a cardioid (ex. 170 degrees vs 120).   
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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2005, 05:42:51 PM »
I am tempted to try a pair of these at some point, subcards is a very nice addition and I am really into trying out the LD mics, curious on how they compare sound wise to the TL's.
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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2005, 07:05:02 PM »
Damn... I just sold my 460's, but these things are making me drool..... 5 patterns... uglugluglulguglugl.....
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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2005, 07:52:05 PM »
I wish I could already give you guys a review on these babies, but I haven't received my pair yet. Had some credit card/US Bank issues last week... now waiting for the money to enter the paypal account, so I can finally pay.  ::)

Will post pictures and everything once I get them.
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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2005, 06:36:32 AM »
adding the subcard bump these mics up a league imo....

Tim,
Could you "explain" the use of the subcard:

i.e. I don't rewally know what it's function is and when you would/wouldn't use it?

have you looked at the polar pattern?

It's nearly an omni, it is a very wide cap... I like them on stage and up close
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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2005, 05:53:49 PM »
i have never found a use for subcards - i used a pair of the DPA 4015s for a while, and found them to have weird imaging, and even a rather dullish sound compared to my DPA 4011s.  i tried them in various config's, but just couldnt get to like them.  one thing to be sure and try with the 414s, if you find yourself in a nice venue and farily close in, is blumlein pair - excellent!  i always wonder how a pair of 414s would compare to a C426, since it uses the same capsules and probably most of the same electronics (but seems to cost quite a bit more...)

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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2005, 06:14:28 PM »
i have never found a use for subcards - i used a pair of the DPA 4015s for a while, and found them to have weird imaging, and even a rather dullish sound compared to my DPA 4011s. i tried them in various config's, but just couldnt get to like them. one thing to be sure and try with the 414s, if you find yourself in a nice venue and farily close in, is blumlein pair - excellent! i always wonder how a pair of 414s would compare to a C426, since it uses the same capsules and probably most of the same electronics (but seems to cost quite a bit more...)

so you never found a use for subcards in the studio or you never found a use for subcards in field recording.

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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2005, 08:28:01 PM »
My pair has been shipped! Scheduled delivery is Thursday. 8)
Now I'm excited... I'll keep you guys posted.

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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2005, 08:31:23 PM »
My pair has been shipped! Scheduled delivery is Thursday. 8)
Now I'm excited... I'll keep you guys posted.

nice, look forward to a report
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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2005, 11:05:41 PM »
i have never found a use for subcards - i used a pair of the DPA 4015s for a while, and found them to have weird imaging, and even a rather dullish sound compared to my DPA 4011s.  i tried them in various config's, but just couldnt get to like them.  one thing to be sure and try with the 414s, if you find yourself in a nice venue and farily close in, is blumlein pair - excellent!  i always wonder how a pair of 414s would compare to a C426, since it uses the same capsules and probably most of the same electronics (but seems to cost quite a bit more...)

If you run blumein, aren't we talking about Fig 8 at DIN?  Subcards eliminate that config, correct?  Just asking.  Love to know.  Anybody?.  Thanks. 


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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2005, 11:06:48 PM »
My pair has been shipped! Scheduled delivery is Thursday. 8)
Now I'm excited... I'll keep you guys posted.

Nice moonpix!  I should have my other 414-XLS in the next couple of weeks.

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« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2005, 12:23:57 AM »
If you run blumein, aren't we talking about Fig 8 at DIN? Subcards eliminate that config, correct? Just asking. Love to know. Anybody?. Thanks.

blumlein is fig8 at 90*

not sure what you mean by eliminate that config though...
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« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2005, 08:34:17 PM »
Hmm, what could be in this box?  ;)


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« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2005, 09:03:24 PM »
Okay, here they are!  8)



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« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2005, 09:05:39 PM »
looks like you will be havig some fun soon...nice looking mics
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« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2005, 10:50:09 AM »
:drool



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It is funny how as each day goes by my anticipation builds. They look so sweet.
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« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2005, 01:50:14 PM »
I can't wait to hear some recordings with these! Nice nice nice!! Shocks, t-bar and windscreens too! + that nice box.  :'( <-joy
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« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2005, 04:03:18 PM »
niceness moonpix :)
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« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2005, 05:18:11 PM »
go moonpix go!  Team AKG signs up another one. ;D
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« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2005, 06:09:22 PM »
go moonpix go!  Team AKG signs up another one. ;D

Awesome!  8)

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« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2005, 09:12:28 AM »
I can't wait to hear 414's > T-mod!!   8)
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« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2005, 03:30:21 AM »
Okay, so I just came back from my first time using the 414's. Recorded three local bands at the coffee house on campus. Unfortunately, we didn't have the PA we normally use, and what we got instead was crappy. The sound was either not so good or disastrous... And there I was with the 414s... in the back of a boomy room.

Without typing a novel, the results sound kind of promising considering the substandard circumstances. I ran the mics DINa (hypercards), DIN (cards), and XY (cards). It's hard to tell what I prefer, given that it's anything but a perfect comparison. Plus, I might have screwed up and run xy with one mic set to card and the other to hyper... oops.  ::) Guess I'll have to do a lot more to find out what I like best. Don't know what I'll do at the Fillmore tomorrow, but I lean towards DINa or aiming hypers at the stacks, just to play it safe.

Fortunately, there were no issues with the laptop, USB, drivers, or the UA5. Even power consumption was not a problem. The 414s draw a lot, but after a little more than two hours, I still had all the lights on the UA-5 battery, which makes me feel a lot better. Now I'm wondering if I should recharge it a bit for tomorrow. (Will need about 2.5 hours.) Could that be a problem? Memory effect and all? What do you guys think? (This is the Energizer model that Oade sells.)

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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2005, 11:09:21 AM »
Well fellas I finally took the plunge and ordered my matched pr. from SS. Parker said it would probably take 4-5 weeks (fingers crossed)

Cant wait to give these puppies a run

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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2005, 10:06:37 PM »
Well fellas I finally took the plunge and ordered my matched pr. from SS. Parker said it would probably take 4-5 weeks (fingers crossed)

Cant wait to give these puppies a run

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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2005, 03:05:01 PM »
Tracking number indicates i will have a new set of mics Monday or Tuesday.

Just sitting here contemplating the posibilities. now how to expalin a new set of mics showing up to the GF. Whoops forgot to tell her :)
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« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2005, 03:08:46 PM »
Tracking number indicates i will have a new set of mics Monday or Tuesday.

Just sitting here contemplating the posibilities. now how to expalin a new set of mics showing up to the GF. Whoops forgot to tell her :)

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« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2005, 06:19:40 PM »
So the mics arrived and I lived :)

I was able to give them a trial run last wednesday at Charlie O's on 48th and Broadway (not the most ideal taping spot). My grilfriends Boss plays there every Wednesday night The Gerard Carelli Orchestra. I have never taped a "Big band" style of music so I figured it would be fun. So I get to the venue and I am setting up and get evrything just the way I want and realize I have NO BNC -> COAX adapter. UGH I was pretty bummed. So I caled rocksuitcase to ask if he knows where it is. He finds it with him (Albany NY). It is now roughly 7:59PM and I still have no BNC. So rocksuitcase hops online and finds me the closest Sam Ash (luckily on 47th and 8th I think it was) I sprinted over there and they were just closing. So I managed to get a BNC to COAX adapter and get back before they played the first note. :)

So from left to right the band was setup like this. Upright Piano, Drums, Elec. Bass, Elec. Guitar, Vocalist/trombone, Sax, trumpet, Sax in pretty much a straight line. Mics were setup just right of center about 15 - 20 ft away about 12ft up ( I was clamped to 2nd level railing). It took me about 1/2 of the 1st set to get the levels just right. Every time I thought I had it the drummer would do another roll and it would peak above 0. so I kept backing them down and he would do it again. So I finally got the gain turned down enough where the kick drum was hitting about roughly 4 in wavelab. Pretty much smooth sailing from there.

I am really loving the sound of these mics. This smooth / silky sound with EXTREME clarity. So easy to use.

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« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2005, 07:46:25 PM »
+T.  and you'll get another one from me in 12 hours for pulling off the athletic move of scooping up another cable before the store closed.

I have a digimod UA-5 too.  Approximately where did you set your levels?  11am or 1pm.  The sensitivity (23) is twice of your average mic (11).  I should have money this week to pick up another XLS.  Which will make 3 of us with them.  Of course, mine won't be matched, no biggie, since I'm taping all digital.

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« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2005, 08:13:43 PM »
Unfortunately, I had the UA-5 and kindms was using my Graham Patten.  We had swapped pre amps and mics for a few weeks as I had more taping to do than he.  NOw that he has the 414's I think he needs the UA-5 back!!!!!
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« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2005, 05:54:51 PM »
Yippee!  My 2nd C414B-XLS arrived today in the mail!  Just waiting for leegeddy's Bumblebees to arrive, hopefully tomorrow.  Gonna give the new upgrade a test run at the Allman Brothers show in Boca Raton, FL on Tuesday.   ;D  ;D  ;D

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« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2005, 07:45:49 AM »
fwiw..
when I ran the Bumblebees w/my 414s, there was in instant improvment.  clarity!

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« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2005, 03:03:55 PM »
I ran my 414s for the Duo and Rana yesterday. Came out really nice. Will be in the kickdowns soon...

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« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2005, 05:37:05 PM »
I ran my 414s for the Duo and Rana yesterday. Came out really nice. Will be in the kickdowns soon...

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« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2005, 08:35:17 PM »
If you ladies want to hear a nice 414 tape:

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« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2005, 02:12:10 AM »
If you ladies want to hear a nice 414 tape:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=42627.0

Thanks honey!  :-*

I'm going to the Wilco show at the Greek Theater in Berkeley... Any tips on how to run the 414s? I'm leaning towards subcards (since it's outside) in something like DIN, possibly a little wider. Comments?
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« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2005, 04:02:18 AM »
If you ladies want to hear a nice 414 tape:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=42627.0

Thanks honey! :-*

I'm going to the Wilco at the Greek Theater in Berkeley... Any tips on how to run the 414s? I'm leaning towards subcards (since it's outside) in something like DIN, possibly a little wider. Comments?

run NOS, it should work great

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« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2005, 11:20:06 PM »
subcards need to be run wide... at least NOS, I used to run the u89's at 40cm/90*
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« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2005, 11:27:14 PM »
i always liked cards like that too :)

maybe 30-40cm, hell, when i run them that apart, i dont measure tho, you geek tim :P

glad youre back in the game tho bud :)

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« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2005, 11:52:20 PM »
I love omni's.... I'm doing onstage/stagelip stuff... with the jdisc I'm all set. eventually I'll add some cards to the arsenal but the omni's sound really sweet on my stereo
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« Reply #52 on: May 23, 2005, 12:03:10 AM »
I love omni's.... I'm doing onstage/stagelip stuff... with the jdisc I'm all set. eventually I'll add some cards to the arsenal but the omni's sound really sweet on my stereo

can you switch out the omnis for cards in your current setup ??? i dunno anything about stealth mics at all really :P

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« Reply #53 on: May 23, 2005, 12:08:07 AM »
nope, they are fixed... no switching

4061->DPA preamp, it has tons of clean gain... very Grace-esque... I'm borrowing a todd mod sbm1 and m1 right now from simpy. I'm on the list for an maudio 24/96 recorded

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« Reply #54 on: May 23, 2005, 01:38:30 AM »
Thanks and +t, guys!
The only thing I worried about is that the subcards might pick up more audience chatter. We'll see.

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« Reply #55 on: May 23, 2005, 02:02:36 AM »
Thanks and +t, guys!
The only thing I worried about is that the subcards might pick up more audience chatter. We'll see.

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« Reply #56 on: May 23, 2005, 06:50:51 AM »
sub cards on the 414s.
Mmmmmm......

while subs like it wide in a near-coincident setup like NOS, they also ROCK XY.
IMO, that is where the 414s shine.  conincident of any style.

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« Reply #57 on: May 23, 2005, 04:17:00 PM »
The Bumblebees arrived today.  Big thanks Marc!  Let "the Source" be with you!   ;D

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« Reply #58 on: May 24, 2005, 01:18:37 AM »
while subs like it wide in a near-coincident setup like NOS, they also ROCK XY.
IMO, that is where the 414s shine.  conincident of any style.

I've tried XY/90 twice and didn't like it that much, because it sounded too mono-ish to me. Now, the recording situations in both cases wer not ideal, so I guess I'll just have to keep trying...

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« Reply #59 on: May 24, 2005, 07:18:39 AM »
when I am in a good location, and running XY I get a great center image.  some folks may call it mono-ish.  Me, I dont like hearing distinct left and right info on my stereo.  I like it to all just come from distinct locations, just like reality only w/o the physical object projecting the sound (like an amp on stage, or a drum kit).

the 414s, or any LD mic, have such a great shine when it comes to capturing that sense of space when run coincident.  Of course, blumlein is king.  Its much more open sounding than XY.  I used to hate XY recording as well.  I used to say that it sounded like the music was focasing right between my eyes, and I didnt care for it.
then I owned a few high-end stereo mics, like the c422,  which is basicaly a couple of 414 capsules mounted coincident and fixed that way.  It opened my eyes up to the virtues of XY, M-S and blumlein.  I now come to prefer this setup most of the time.  When I run NC methods, I find that I dont get that sharp imaging that I really enjoy.  Unless you are right on top of things, then it (say, ortf) can sound as tight as XY.  But you need to be on top of the source, like stage lip or just a few feet off.
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« Reply #60 on: May 28, 2005, 03:02:45 AM »
Okay, so after waiting for these mics for almost half a year, paying a whole lot of money and recording a handful of shows these last two months, one of the mics appears to be damaged... There's weird background noise when the gain is turned up all the way and the mic seems to be about 5db less hot than the other. I checked all other components of the rig, and unfortunately the mic is definitely the culprit.  In fact something inside the mic seems to be loose which might have something to do with it...

Emailed Sonic Sense right away, and they gave me the phone number of some AKG guy who has not called me back yet.
In any case, it doesn't look like I'll get a new pair anytime soon, since they're still backordered. Anyone have a spare 414xls that I could borrow in the meantime?  :-\

Fortunately, the noise is pretty quiet, and provided it doesn't get worse (the frequency response doesn't seem to be affected at this point), I should still be fine for louder stuff, but it still sucks... QOTSA, Ash and Wilco are coming up... we'll see what happens, but the whole situation is really quite annoying.

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« Reply #61 on: June 01, 2005, 12:42:25 PM »
i have never found a use for subcards - i used a pair of the DPA 4015s for a while, and found them to have weird imaging, and even a rather dullish sound compared to my DPA 4011s. i tried them in various config's, but just couldnt get to like them. one thing to be sure and try with the 414s, if you find yourself in a nice venue and farily close in, is blumlein pair - excellent! i always wonder how a pair of 414s would compare to a C426, since it uses the same capsules and probably most of the same electronics (but seems to cost quite a bit more...)

so you never found a use for subcards in the studio or you never found a use for subcards in field recording.

hands down my favorite pattern for field recording, my favorite pattern on my u89s

Bumping an older topic I know, but just have to throw my $.02 in...

Since buying the MK21 caps, I've fallen in love with the subcard sound. Huge, open soundstage similar to omnis - but just enough off axis rejection to get rid of some of the unwanted effects of running omnis, i.e. chatter, etc.

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« Reply #62 on: June 02, 2005, 01:42:59 AM »
Quick update here: I sent my 414s to AKG in Nashville today, so they can fix the damaged one. The guy on the phone said they usually have a 3-day turnaround time, so maybe they'll be back for Wilco on the 11th. I used them yesterday for QOTSA and the result seems to be okay, but the mics seemed to be 5-6dB off. Weird.

Also, I gotta say thank you publicly to my taping buddy Vinny (even though I don't think he reads this) for giving me his spare set of Oktavas. That was truly one of the nicest taping related things that have ever happened to me.

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« Reply #63 on: June 03, 2005, 12:00:37 PM »
Where did you guys buy these mics and how much are they going for?

thinking about going this route for a little while

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« Reply #64 on: June 03, 2005, 04:04:53 PM »
Where did you guys buy these mics and how much are they going for?

thinking about going this route for a little while

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I got mine off of eBay.  Brand new, still shrink wrapped.  They go for just under $700 shipped a piece.  Check with these guys.  They are out of the Bingahmton NY area.  I scored one of mine off of them.  I bought it 3 weeks ago and my mic was made in March '05. 

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« Reply #65 on: June 06, 2005, 04:47:09 PM »
ordered----should be here in 2 days  ;D


got a hell of a price  ::)

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« Reply #66 on: June 06, 2005, 04:49:52 PM »
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« Reply #68 on: June 06, 2005, 05:09:42 PM »
damn, you got HOOKED UP man!

enjoy them tom, maybe when theyre not in heavy use i can borrow them to try w/ my v3 ;D
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« Reply #69 on: June 09, 2005, 01:06:56 PM »
AKG customer support rules... they received my 414s on Friday and I got them back yesterday! The note says "resoldered broken wire to capsule".

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« Reply #70 on: June 09, 2005, 01:17:22 PM »
AKG customer support rules... they received my 414s on Friday and I got them back yesterday! The note says "resoldered broken wire to capsule".

Sweet!  +T!  Glad it all worked out.  Did you have to send them to AKG-usa in Tennesee?  I think they are in Tennessee.

I'll have some feedback on the 414s tomorrow, in regards to the Mountain Jam show and their performance. 

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« Reply #71 on: June 09, 2005, 06:57:39 PM »
Sweet!  +T!  Glad it all worked out.  Did you have to send them to AKG-usa in Tennesee?  I think they are in Tennessee.

I'll have some feedback on the 414s tomorrow, in regards to the Mountain Jam show and their performance. 

Yep, AKG USA is in Nashville. I'm curious what you think about the 414s outside, especially if the windscreens are a problem or not.

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« Reply #72 on: June 09, 2005, 06:59:32 PM »
never a problem when I ran them outside w/the screens.

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« Reply #73 on: June 10, 2005, 10:53:32 AM »
I love mine. have been enjoying the nice smooth warm sound and HUGE bass.

Things I have learned in the short time owning them.

I really like the sound of split omni in a festival enviro.

Bluemin is even better but I need to be closer than 65ft or so :) the imaging was really cool.

and I really need to get a better bar for running coincident. We rigged it up but to need something that requires less effort

They are the most sensitive mics i have ever run. When I ran the 460's we usually had the UA-5 at like 3 O/Clock and I usually find the 414's at about 12 O'clock
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« Reply #74 on: June 11, 2005, 02:03:56 PM »
Well I went through my Mountain Jam recordings.  Wind was not an issue at all. 

However, I had clipping at the mics for Xavier Rudd and Jim Weider Band.  Volume was way up for their sets, I noticed the clipping light on the UA-5 and turn it down to 11 o'clock from 1 o'clock at the beginining of Rudd.  However, I still had clipping throughout the recording of those 2 bands. 

The AKGs have a built-in overload sensor or some shit, and a red llight will blink on them when clipping.  Couldn't see it in the bright sunshine and I couldn't hear it through my Shure E2Cs.  Definitely, got to run the pads for loud shows.  Same rules as shotguns, these things can run hot because of their high sensitivity.  I also need some good, small, noise blocking, field headphones.  Any recommedations on the headphones?

I'm also going to experiment with my Denecke AD20/PS2 combo.  I think the combination of the 414s and the Bumblebees display what a noisy box a Digi-mod UA-5 is.  If the Deneckes sound better, I may put the UA5 on the shelf until I can get it modded.  Its not an Oade.  Or sell it and pickup someone else's Oade and have it modded to a "T-Plus".

MMW, Randolph and Mule came out fine.  My recording almost sounds like a SBD.  And I was in the last row of the taperssection, FOB.  Jeezuz, I do love these mics.   ;D

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« Reply #75 on: June 11, 2005, 02:57:23 PM »
On seciond thought, I may use the PS2 with the UA5 too.  See how that sounds.r

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« Reply #76 on: June 11, 2005, 03:36:02 PM »
Very interesting. I'm happy to hear the windscreens work. What pattern were you using?

I haven't had brickwalling problems ( :banging head: i guess that's what it is) yet, not even at QOTSA/Sacramento which was really loud. Seems like a digi-mod ua5 vs. w/t/p Oade mod ua5 issue.

You're right, the overload sensors in the xls are pretty much useless for us tapers, because you can't see the LEDs when the mics are high up on a stand and things like shockmounts obstruct the view. However, forget that last sentence. We will never see that light in the first place, because it only comes on at 140dB SPL...   :alert:

As for headphones, I have the Sennheiser HD280 Pro which works well, but I never use it in the field, because I don't really see the point. (exception: doing a matrix with the ua5) If you really want small headphones, I would say consider Etymotic.

Well I went through my Mountain Jam recordings.  Wind was not an issue at all. 

However, I had clipping at the mics for Xavier Rudd and Jim Weider Band.  Volume was way up for their sets, I noticed the clipping light on the UA-5 and turn it down to 11 o'clock from 1 o'clock at the beginining of Rudd.  However, I still had clipping throughout the recording of those 2 bands. 

The AKGs have a built-in overload sensor or some shit, and a red llight will blink on them when clipping.  Couldn't see it in the bright sunshine and I couldn't hear it through my Shure E2Cs.  Definitely, got to run the pads for loud shows.  Same rules as shotguns, these things can run hot because of their high sensitivity.  I also need some good, small, noise blocking, field headphones.  Any recommedations on the headphones?

I'm also going to experiment with my Denecke AD20/PS2 combo.  I think the combination of the 414s and the Bumblebees display what a noisy box a Digi-mod UA-5 is.  If the Deneckes sound better, I may put the UA5 on the shelf until I can get it modded.  Its not an Oade.  Or sell it and pickup someone else's Oade and have it modded to a "T-Plus".

MMW, Randolph and Mule came out fine.  My recording almost sounds like a SBD.  And I was in the last row of the taperssection, FOB.  Jeezuz, I do love these mics.   ;D

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« Reply #77 on: June 11, 2005, 05:44:58 PM »
Very interesting. I'm happy to hear the windscreens work. What pattern were you using?

I haven't had brickwalling problems ( :banging head: i guess that's what it is) yet, not even at QOTSA/Sacramento which was really loud. Seems like a digi-mod ua5 vs. w/t/p Oade mod ua5 issue.

You're right, the overload sensors in the xls are pretty much useless for us tapers, because you can't see the LEDs when the mics are high up on a stand and things like shockmounts obstruct the view. However, forget that last sentence. We will never see that light in the first place, because it only comes on at 140dB SPL...   :alert:

As for headphones, I have the Sennheiser HD280 Pro which works well, but I never use it in the field, because I don't really see the point. (exception: doing a matrix with the ua5) If you really want small headphones, I would say consider Etymotic.

Well I went through my Mountain Jam recordings.  Wind was not an issue at all. 

However, I had clipping at the mics for Xavier Rudd and Jim Weider Band.  Volume was way up for their sets, I noticed the clipping light on the UA-5 and turn it down to 11 o'clock from 1 o'clock at the beginining of Rudd.  However, I still had clipping throughout the recording of those 2 bands. 

The AKGs have a built-in overload sensor or some shit, and a red llight will blink on them when clipping.  Couldn't see it in the bright sunshine and I couldn't hear it through my Shure E2Cs.  Definitely, got to run the pads for loud shows.  Same rules as shotguns, these things can run hot because of their high sensitivity.  I also need some good, small, noise blocking, field headphones.  Any recommedations on the headphones?

I'm also going to experiment with my Denecke AD20/PS2 combo.  I think the combination of the 414s and the Bumblebees display what a noisy box a Digi-mod UA-5 is.  If the Deneckes sound better, I may put the UA5 on the shelf until I can get it modded.  Its not an Oade.  Or sell it and pickup someone else's Oade and have it modded to a "T-Plus".

MMW, Randolph and Mule came out fine.  My recording almost sounds like a SBD.  And I was in the last row of the taperssection, FOB.  Jeezuz, I do love these mics.   ;D


The Oade mod would definitely make a difference.  To add, I'd say the sound pressure was definitely over 140.  When I think about it, I could feel my whole body vibrate during Rudd's set.  The sound on the mountain was the best I ever heard at an outdoor show.  The SBD guys were definitely  pressing the gas a little too much.      :spin:

Thanks for the tip on the Sennheisers, I'll check them out.  I'll pass on the Etymotics.  I'd rather upgrade my earbuds to the E3Cs.   :headphones:

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« Reply #78 on: June 11, 2005, 05:46:25 PM »
I used the cardioids.  It would be equivalent to 20th row or something
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« Reply #79 on: June 11, 2005, 06:07:56 PM »
Very interesting. I'm happy to hear the windscreens work. What pattern were you using?

I haven't had brickwalling problems ( :banging head: i guess that's what it is) yet, not even at QOTSA/Sacramento which was really loud. Seems like a digi-mod ua5 vs. w/t/p Oade mod ua5 issue.

You're right, the overload sensors in the xls are pretty much useless for us tapers, because you can't see the LEDs when the mics are high up on a stand and things like shockmounts obstruct the view. However, forget that last sentence. We will never see that light in the first place, because it only comes on at 140dB SPL... :alert:

As for headphones, I have the Sennheiser HD280 Pro which works well, but I never use it in the field, because I don't really see the point. (exception: doing a matrix with the ua5) If you really want small headphones, I would say consider Etymotic.

Well I went through my Mountain Jam recordings. Wind was not an issue at all.

However, I had clipping at the mics for Xavier Rudd and Jim Weider Band. Volume was way up for their sets, I noticed the clipping light on the UA-5 and turn it down to 11 o'clock from 1 o'clock at the beginining of Rudd. However, I still had clipping throughout the recording of those 2 bands.

The AKGs have a built-in overload sensor or some shit, and a red llight will blink on them when clipping. Couldn't see it in the bright sunshine and I couldn't hear it through my Shure E2Cs. Definitely, got to run the pads for loud shows. Same rules as shotguns, these things can run hot because of their high sensitivity. I also need some good, small, noise blocking, field headphones. Any recommedations on the headphones?

I'm also going to experiment with my Denecke AD20/PS2 combo. I think the combination of the 414s and the Bumblebees display what a noisy box a Digi-mod UA-5 is. If the Deneckes sound better, I may put the UA5 on the shelf until I can get it modded. Its not an Oade. Or sell it and pickup someone else's Oade and have it modded to a "T-Plus".

MMW, Randolph and Mule came out fine. My recording almost sounds like a SBD. And I was in the last row of the taperssection, FOB. Jeezuz, I do love these mics. ;D


The Oade mod would definitely make a difference. To add, I'd say the sound pressure was definitely over 140. When I think about it, I could feel my whole body vibrate during Rudd's set. The sound on the mountain was the best I ever heard at an outdoor show. The SBD guys were definitely pressing the gas a little too much. :spin:

Thanks for the tip on the Sennheisers, I'll check them out. I'll pass on the Etymotics. I'd rather upgrade my earbuds to the E3Cs. :headphones:


over 140?! no, really, are you sure?

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« Reply #80 on: June 11, 2005, 06:26:35 PM »
My chest was vibrating.  It was totally wierd.  I was sitting in a stick chair, on grass and dirt.

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« Reply #81 on: June 11, 2005, 06:28:17 PM »
over 140?! no, really, are you sure?

No way. All the hippies would have dropped dead immediately. Seriously, you'll never get a that value unless you're directly infront of a subwoofer. Maybe. It would be beyond painful.

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« Reply #82 on: June 11, 2005, 06:31:46 PM »
there's no way the mics were clipping if they are in proper working order

no concert is 140db from where we are sitting....
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« Reply #83 on: June 11, 2005, 06:41:15 PM »
there's no way the mics were clipping if they are in proper working order

no concert is 140db from where we are sitting....


They are in working order, I can assure you.  But the sensitvity on these are 23.  You're average mic is 11 or 12.  A shotgun is around 35 or more.  I just have to use Pads as a safety precaution.

I wouldn't exactly call the sound loud.  More like a wide engulfing soundstage.  Ears were not shredded at all.  The rest of the sets came out fine, because the SBD trim the levels back.

It was definitely strange to feel every bone in my body vibrate that.

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« Reply #84 on: June 11, 2005, 07:11:44 PM »
you sure the clipping isnt coming from the pa then ??? thats happened to me before a few times
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« Reply #85 on: June 11, 2005, 07:36:54 PM »
you sure the clipping isnt coming from the pa then ??? thats happened to me before a few times

Nope.  I saw the UA-5 peak light blinking during the first song.

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« Reply #86 on: June 11, 2005, 07:39:26 PM »
Moonpix,

The wind was roughly 4-5 miles an hour, if that.  A light breeze.  On a windy days of over 10, we may need to seek an alternative.  I have used wool socks, with effectiveness.  I don't know what is out there on the market for the 414s for such a use.

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« Reply #87 on: June 11, 2005, 09:09:05 PM »
Moonpix,

The wind was roughly 4-5 miles an hour, if that. A light breeze. On a windy days of over 10, we may need to seek an alternative. I have used wool socks, with effectiveness. I don't know what is out there on the market for the 414s for such a use.

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« Reply #88 on: June 12, 2005, 12:15:52 AM »
However, I had clipping at the mics for Xavier Rudd and Jim Weider Band. Volume was way up for their sets, I noticed the clipping light on the UA-5 and turn it down to 11 o'clock from 1 o'clock at the beginining of Rudd. However, I still had clipping throughout the recording of those 2 bands.

I'm confused.  Just to clarify:

  • After you turned the UA5 gain down from 01:00 to 11:00, the UA5 "over" light didn't come on for the rest of the set?
  • What does the "clipping" sound like - is it the harsh clicky sorta sound of digital clipping, or the softer analog distortion sort of overload?
  • What does the waveform look like?
I think the combination of the 414s and the Bumblebees display what a noisy box a Digi-mod UA-5 is. If the Deneckes sound better, I may put the UA5 on the shelf until I can get it modded. Its not an Oade. Or sell it and pickup someone else's Oade and have it modded to a "T-Plus".

Yeah, the straight digi-mod is a little noisy if you turn the gain up a ways.  I ran AKG C414B-ULS with a T+ UA5 in an unamplified setting (a cappella group, church setting) and I can tell you the T+ is quiet.  I had the gain turned almost all the way up...we're talking 4:30, 5:00 or so, and I don't notice any noise from the UA5.
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« Reply #89 on: June 12, 2005, 02:12:52 AM »
However, I had clipping at the mics for Xavier Rudd and Jim Weider Band. Volume was way up for their sets, I noticed the clipping light on the UA-5 and turn it down to 11 o'clock from 1 o'clock at the beginining of Rudd. However, I still had clipping throughout the recording of those 2 bands.

I'm confused.  Just to clarify:

  • After you turned the UA5 gain down from 01:00 to 11:00, the UA5 "over" light didn't come on for the rest of the set?
  • What does the "clipping" sound like - is it the harsh clicky sorta sound of digital clipping, or the softer analog distortion sort of overload?
  • What does the waveform look like?
I think the combination of the 414s and the Bumblebees display what a noisy box a Digi-mod UA-5 is. If the Deneckes sound better, I may put the UA5 on the shelf until I can get it modded. Its not an Oade. Or sell it and pickup someone else's Oade and have it modded to a "T-Plus".

Yeah, the straight digi-mod is a little noisy if you turn the gain up a ways.  I ran AKG C414B-ULS with a T+ UA5 in an unamplified setting (a cappella group, church setting) and I can tell you the T+ is quiet.  I had the gain turned almost all the way up...we're talking 4:30, 5:00 or so, and I don't notice any noise from the UA5.

Excellent questions Brian.

I went over the WAV files for all the sets with Adobe tonight.  As confirmed, the UA-5 peak light was correct, I was over at the beginning of Rudd.  But, the good news, it was not pure brickwalling.  UA-5 must be configured to blink when the recording is close to brickwalling.  The WAV file was not cut off.  I guess that damn light is good for something.   :drunk:
 
The culprit seems to be the damn Toslink cable.  Schnizzle!   :flaming:  I have no idea if it got kinked or not when I first did the initial set up.  I thought I made sure everything was tucked clean under the UA-5 before I hit the record.  Checked 3 times.  Must be when I was pulling the JB3 in and out between sets to hit save, it corrected itself.   :flaming:

The Toslink issue showed a Noise Spike every 10 seconds in both Rudd and Weider sets.  A chirping noise.  Sometimes can be confused as brickwalling.  Or at least in my case, a panic at the beginning of Rudd.

I realized the problem just before I went downtown tonight. I was SO EMBARRASSED, that I grabbed my rig to tape something, anything.  Luckily, there was a local act, the Nighthawks, playing outside in Hanover Square.  They play Stevie Ray Vaughan, Hendrix, The Blues, and such.  There was a Polish festival at Clinton Square playing Polka music about a block away.  Thank god for the Nighthawks.  I needed to tape tonight.  But not, "Roll Out the Barrel".   ;) 

I'm definitely thinking of switching from Toslink to Coax. Any suggestions?  I hate making a mistake once.  As Scotty from Star Trek once said, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. "

Digi-mod UA-5 definitely doesn't cut it when you jump to the higher end mics.  Most leechers would dig my recordings, but they don't stack up, sound wise, with what I have done the AT853RX and the Deneckes.  That combo is like a swiss watch.  Gotta get a T-PLUS mod, for sure.

Sorry about the false alarm, guys.    :instagib:   I'll shoot myself on this one.  I'll toss up the Randolph set in Kickdown so you guys can have a taste of the 414s.

   

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« Reply #90 on: June 12, 2005, 01:39:00 PM »
brickwalling is not the same as clipping

the ua5 light is configured to flash, I believe, at -2dbu... clipping occurs when you hit 0

if you are using a jb3 you are stuck with optical cables so switching to coax isn't really an option, I'd just buy the beefiest cable you can find... I'm sure there are plenty of recommendations on this board
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« Reply #91 on: June 12, 2005, 01:46:31 PM »
brickwalling is not the same as clipping

the ua5 light is configured to flash, I believe, at -2dbu... clipping occurs when you hit 0

if you are using a jb3 you are stuck with optical cables so switching to coax isn't really an option, I'd just buy the beefiest cable you can find... I'm sure there are plenty of recommendations on this board

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« Reply #92 on: June 12, 2005, 02:17:07 PM »
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« Reply #93 on: June 12, 2005, 02:35:39 PM »
over 140?! no, really, are you sure?

No way. All the hippies would have dropped dead immediately. Seriously, you'll never get a that value unless you're directly infront of a subwoofer. Maybe. It would be beyond painful.

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« Reply #94 on: June 12, 2005, 02:43:02 PM »
over 140?! no, really, are you sure?

No way. All the hippies would have dropped dead immediately. Seriously, you'll never get a that value unless you're directly infront of a subwoofer. Maybe. It would be beyond painful.

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160?!?!?! that is like standing next to the space shuttle, and I mean right next to it when it launches...that is sick
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« Reply #95 on: June 12, 2005, 02:53:10 PM »
over 140?! no, really, are you sure?

No way. All the hippies would have dropped dead immediately. Seriously, you'll never get a that value unless you're directly infront of a subwoofer. Maybe. It would be beyond painful.

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i believe manowar holds the guinness record for the "loudest concert" at something in the 160 range but it was totally staged. saw it on tv last year.

160?!?!?! that is like standing next to the space shuttle, and I mean right next to it when it launches...that is sick

looks like my brain deceived me... i looked it up online and it seems that the record is "129.5 dB" as recorded by guinness in hannover, germany in the 90s. i don't know how far from the source they were, etc... maybe i saw it on vh1's most metal moments.

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« Reply #96 on: June 12, 2005, 03:08:34 PM »
Wimps and Posers, Leave the Hall!  :veryevil:

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« Reply #97 on: June 12, 2005, 03:16:37 PM »
like ive said, if ya dont have the SP rt angle toslink>mini, GTE TWO OF THEM 8)

No need to spend the cash on the SP cable - others sell the same cable for a LOT less.  Check the Cables and/or Retail forums.  One thread:  http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=42369.0
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« Reply #98 on: June 12, 2005, 05:00:28 PM »
Thanks for the link Bri.  Unfortunately, they are out of them. 

I gonna check out one of those Viablue toslinks that Andrew found.  Beefy and they come in a 1/2 meter.  If only the Phoenix Gold DTX series had a 1/2 meter.  I don't need 3 feet of cable in my bag.

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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #99 on: June 12, 2005, 07:04:43 PM »
brickwalling is not the same as clipping

the ua5 light is configured to flash, I believe, at -2dbu... clipping occurs when you hit 0

if you are using a jb3 you are stuck with optical cables so switching to coax isn't really an option, I'd just buy the beefiest cable you can find... I'm sure there are plenty of recommendations on this board

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« Reply #100 on: June 14, 2005, 09:46:22 PM »
Ok, here's a demo of the AKG C414B-XLS in action at the Mountain Jam show 6/04/05 Hunter Mountain, Hunter, NY.

I included in the torrent, 2 tracks from the show :Robert Randolph and Martin Medeski & Wood.  To give you an idea of how they compare to another set of mics., I included the same 2 tracks recorded by the following: Neumann KM184 > UA-5 (Oade-W) > JB3.

Mind you the 414s were setup about 20 yards or so behind the Neumanns.  I included pictures of where the mics were stationed.  In the Neumann picture, you can see the AKGs way up the hill in the back right.  Just look for a pole with a red strap, the AKGs, looking very small, are right behind them.

Let me know what you guys think.  I did nothing to the recording except adjust the levels and declick it.  That's it.   I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.   :) 
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« Reply #101 on: June 14, 2005, 09:53:21 PM »
i'm on it.  mine shipped yesterday--should have them tomorrow or thursday. i can't wait!!

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« Reply #102 on: June 14, 2005, 10:05:47 PM »
i'm on it.  mine shipped yesterday--should have them tomorrow or thursday. i can't wait!!

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SWEET!  Big fat +T!.  Let me know what you think of the demos. 

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« Reply #103 on: June 15, 2005, 11:36:42 AM »
i have a package at fed-ex. i wonder what it could be  ???  ;D

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« Reply #104 on: June 15, 2005, 11:42:14 AM »
i have a package at fed-ex. i wonder what it could be  ???  ;D

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Re: AKG 414 XLS
« Reply #105 on: June 27, 2005, 01:52:23 AM »
As I get used to them, I notice how much bass these puppies grab.  Anybody else with this experience?  Bass roll off run by anyone?  Which situations?

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« Reply #106 on: June 27, 2005, 06:57:52 AM »
yes, that big diaphram will suck a ton of bass energy up.

I never ran the HPF at all.  I just enjoyed all the kick and punch they produced.

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« Reply #107 on: June 27, 2005, 01:11:20 PM »
Nope. I run them full on. I agree they have all ther BASS one could want. I think if I wanted to do something about a boomy room I might jkust change configs before thinking about running any roll off.
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« Reply #108 on: June 27, 2005, 04:03:57 PM »
i've made a few recordings of small PAs where the bass was there live, but nothing all to shattering.
but the recording yeilds fucking awesome punch that was not there for my ears to experience innitialy.  In the few cases I'm thinking of, I actualy prefer my recording to my memory of the event.

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« Reply #109 on: June 27, 2005, 04:21:57 PM »
In the case of my latest recording, the bass was a little too thick.  Even for an outdoor show. 

Thanks for the input.  I put Derek Trucks Band in the Kickdown.  I used the Hypers at the stack for that show.  Came out quite nice.  Didn't have to do much of anything with that one.

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« Reply #110 on: July 02, 2005, 03:47:37 PM »
I still haven't got to run these mics yet!!  It's killing me!

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« Reply #111 on: July 02, 2005, 04:07:58 PM »
ill be happy to break them in for you. >:D
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« Reply #112 on: July 02, 2005, 04:31:30 PM »
ill be happy to break them in for you. >:D

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« Reply #113 on: July 04, 2005, 02:08:19 AM »
Here's a nice padded pouch I found on eBay.  It was made for a large telephoto lens, but you it fits the 414s in it, w/ screens on, with ease.  Great portability when traveling out into the field.  I paid $12.00 for it, BFN, shipped.  Great deal.

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« Reply #115 on: August 06, 2005, 09:28:14 AM »
a month late...

the "low profile" way to run these mics coincident

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« Reply #116 on: October 05, 2005, 01:58:33 PM »
I've been considering the AKG 414 XLS as my next set of mics, but I noticed that a couple of contributors to this thread have since sold their 414s. For those who are still running them, do you usually run horizontal or vertical? What configurations do you like best, particularly in a festival setting? Does Blumlein pick up a lot of crowd noise when running at head height?
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« Reply #117 on: October 05, 2005, 02:18:53 PM »
I don't think it matters whether run run them horizontal or vertical, but do use coincidental patterns! I got good results using x/y with both the cardioid and hypercardoid setting. All my DIN(A) tapes had too much bass and were lacking a well-defined stereo image. It's hard to describe, but it sounded sort of out-of-focus to me. With XY things got better, but I guess I just don't like that LD sound, and that why I'm getting rid of my pair now.
I've never tried Blumlein, but I'd say be very careful.   

I've been considering the AKG 414 XLS as my next set of mics, but I noticed that a couple of contributors to this thread have since sold their 414s. For those who are still running them, do you usually run horizontal or vertical? What configurations do you like best, particularly in a festival setting? Does Blumlein pick up a lot of crowd noise when running at head height?

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« Reply #118 on: October 05, 2005, 02:24:17 PM »
For those who are still running them, do you usually run horizontal or vertical? What configurations do you like best, particularly in a festival setting?

Vertical, XY or Blumlein.  Haven't yet tried out subcards NOS, though that's next on my list.  Blumlein sounds spectactular in a good sounding venue / location if the crowd isn't too obnoxious.

Does Blumlein pick up a lot of crowd noise when running at head height?

Depends on the SPLs from the sound system and the crowd around you, just as in any situation.  But Blumlein is basically two pairs of XY - one facing forwards, one facing rear - so you're bound to pick up more chatter (if it exists in the first place).
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« Reply #119 on: October 05, 2005, 02:30:32 PM »
Ragan,

These are fantastic mics.  I sold mine, because I'm not that technically savvy with LDs and I couldn't make them sing consistently to my liking.  I need a mic little more athletic, because I tape everyone, every where.  The 480s fit that need.  Someday, I will buy the 414-XLS's again for certain applications because they sound so damn smooth.  I have a bunch of recordings with these mics.  Throw me a PM .

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« Reply #120 on: October 05, 2005, 02:39:46 PM »
i ran panic from the section last night with them.  omni's -- 3 ft split. I think it sounds damn fine.

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« Reply #121 on: October 05, 2005, 02:40:38 PM »
i ran panic from the section last night with them.  omni's -- 3 ft split. I think it sounds damn fine.

  Tommy

which source sound sbetter tho ???
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« Reply #122 on: October 05, 2005, 02:42:28 PM »
i ran panic from the section last night with them.  omni's -- 3 ft split. I think it sounds damn fine.

  Tommy

which source sound sbetter tho ???

i'm gonna try and have you a comp thrown in with the return shipment.  unlabled  >:D

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« Reply #123 on: October 05, 2005, 02:43:33 PM »
i ran panic from the section last night with them.  omni's -- 3 ft split. I think it sounds damn fine.

  Tommy

which source sound sbetter tho ???

i'm gonna try and have you a comp thrown in with the return shipment.  unlabled  >:D

schweet, id love that ;D

just dont misplace which is which on your piece of paper :)
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« Reply #124 on: October 05, 2005, 02:46:24 PM »
i ran panic from the section last night with them.  omni's -- 3 ft split. I think it sounds damn fine.

  Tommy

which source sound sbetter tho ???

i'm gonna try and have you a comp thrown in with the return shipment.  unlabled  >:D

schweet, id love that ;D

just dont misplace which is which on your piece of paper :)

you will have a big #1 or #2  ;D

I'm gonna run the same tonite. Scott is gonna run the 482>m148>sbm-1

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« Reply #125 on: October 05, 2005, 02:51:56 PM »
i ran panic from the section last night with them.  omni's -- 3 ft split. I think it sounds damn fine.

  Tommy

which source sound sbetter tho ???

i'm gonna try and have you a comp thrown in with the return shipment.  unlabled  >:D

schweet, id love that ;D

just dont misplace which is which on your piece of paper :)

you will have a big #1 or #2  ;D

I'm gonna run the same tonite. Scott is gonna run the 482>m148>sbm-1

so last nite was 482>v3 and 414omni>v3 right ???

Schoeps MK 4V & MK 41V ->
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« Reply #126 on: October 05, 2005, 02:52:45 PM »
oh and if you have anymore uses for the 62's coming up soon, just hold onto them ;)
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« Reply #127 on: October 05, 2005, 02:54:48 PM »
i ran panic from the section last night with them.  omni's -- 3 ft split. I think it sounds damn fine.

  Tommy

which source sound sbetter tho ???

i'm gonna try and have you a comp thrown in with the return shipment.  unlabled  >:D

schweet, id love that ;D

just dont misplace which is which on your piece of paper :)

you will have a big #1 or #2  ;D

I'm gonna run the same tonite. Scott is gonna run the 482>m148>sbm-1

so last nite was 482>v3 and 414omni>v3 right ???



yes sir  :)   both with the 3' split

 

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