Topic: 44.1 versus 48

[Tim]

There is no argument that can shoot down the quality of 24 bit recording.

a kickass upsampling DAC and a nice transport

[super-phat-al]

i have a 44.1 dmic, so thats all i can do.  i do it in 44.1 because of transfer time.  maybe i can hear the difference, but i would need the same rig, same location, same config, to really do a nice comparison. 

16 bit and 24 is another world.  HUGE difference with that.

[Ed.]

I've been running 48khz for over a year, but now i think i'm going to switch to 44.1 because i'm getting lazy and the extra step takes too much time.

[Tim]

[3] I know I'll never go back and re-burn 16-bit/48kHz DVDs from the original source files (just like I haven't gone back and converted many of my analog's to digital)

I think that's the key.... 48k IS "better", whether you hear it or not. But do you want to archive 48k and then (eventually) go back and source your DVD's from them?

I'm honest with myself... I'm not going to do it, so it's 44.1 for me

[John R]

i goes both ways for me.  i'll send 48 to the dat and let the cdrw700 resample for the disc.

jr

[ts]

I got the opti out upgrade on my V3 when it became available. So now I run a JB3 and a Dat. The first few shows I did that way I left the V3 on 48K. So now I have a Dat master in 48K and a copy on my JB3 in 48K. Well, I thought I was doing something neat by having a backup master on Dat and being able to use the JB3 for quick transfers and burning.
It took sooo looong to resample in CE2K, that I said screw it and reverted to my old dinosaur method of using my Sony PCM2600>Sony CDRW33 to do the transfer and let the CDRW33 do the resampling. That actually took less time, even with marking tracks as I was listening.
So my next run of shows is coming up. Do I still set my V3 on 48K, or do I just set it to 44.1 so my JB3 can do what I bought for, which was quick transfers? It still would be nice to have a 48K Dat master, but I can't have both.

[heath]

it's always best to record at the highest bit depth/smapling rate available to you.  In the field at concerts, I go 16/48.  If I do a location multitrack, I go 24/96 into protools.  Here at the studio, we do 2 track stuff at 24/192 and everything from 2 tracks to 24 tracks 24/96.   

[F.O.Bean]

i do 48k for phish, and 44.1k for everything else

[mizary]

i do 48k for phish, and 44.1k for everything else

You mean you DID 48k for phish...  do would imply future shows...



and just to confuse people more...  which would be better 16bit/96khz or 24bit/44.1khz?

I am guessing 24/44.1 would be better...  But am too lazy to do the math.

2^16*96 vs. 2^24*44.1  (is that right??)

Yeah...  2^24 is HUGE...  I need a laptop!

--mizary

[F.O.Bean]

i do 48k for phish, and 44.1k for everything else

You mean you DID 48k for phish...  do would imply future shows...



and just to confuse people more...  which would be better 16bit/96khz or 24bit/44.1khz?

I am guessing 24/44.1 would be better...  But am too lazy to do the math.

2^16*96 vs. 2^24*44.1  (is that right??)

Yeah...  2^24 is HUGE...  I need a laptop!

--mizary

so true, so true

i would have to say that 24-bit is a bigger improvement for sure

[BC]

i do 48k for phish, and 44.1k for everything else

You mean you DID 48k for phish...  do would imply future shows...



and just to confuse people more...  which would be better 16bit/96khz or 24bit/44.1khz?

I am guessing 24/44.1 would be better...  But am too lazy to do the math.

2^16*96 vs. 2^24*44.1  (is that right??)

Yeah...  2^24 is HUGE...  I need a laptop!

--mizary

24/44.1 would be better to run than 16/96.

Just FYI:

Increasing the bit depth gives you added dynamic range (6dB per bit, which is why you can run levels more conservatively at 24 bit).

Increasing the sampling rate increases the maximum frequency that you can record (Nyquist theorem: the max freq that goes on your tape = sampling rate/2, so that 48KHz allows recording sounds up to 24KHz)

The increased dynamic range from increasing the bit depth to 24 bit is much more audible than the increased bandwidth resulting from increasing the sampling rate over 48 KHz (or for that matter 44.1) .

I have some friends who say they can hear that 48KHz sounds better than 44.1. I have never done a head to head comparison but I have a hard time believing there is that much difference between the two. I like some others have come to the realization that I will probably never go back and put my 48KHz masters on DVD, so lately I have been rolling at 24/44.1, it makes creating 16/44.1 copies for CDR so much more easier.


Happy taping,
Ben

[pfife]

it's always best to record at the highest bit depth/smapling rate available to you.  In the field at concerts, I go 16/48.  If I do a location multitrack, I go 24/96 into protools.  Here at the studio, we do 2 track stuff at 24/192 and everything from 2 tracks to 24 tracks 24/96.   

This is what I do as well.  always what is the best available.

[jhirte]

I always do 48Khz, some stuff I do ends up on DVD, which needs 48K. Other reason is might as well do 48K I have no problem waiting for CEP to downsample for those I do put on cdr. I just figure might as well have the V3 on 48K and get the highest sampling rate I can..

-Jim

[spcyrfc]

so for archiving, which is not necessarily for the purpose of listining immediatly on my stereo, 48 or better is the way to go.
but for convience, 44.1. 
i guess if there is ever a show that is priceless, (DGQ at the Botanic Gardens i consider $less) it should be recorded in 48 if not for me than for posterity.  but i guess i shanked that one (44.1).  oh well, still sounds fine. 
i wonder if every recording is not priceless.  most of the things i record i am the only one who has recorded and maybe, but hopefully not, who will record.  the little local acts full of energy, age and quality are the ones that may pass forgotten and unheard.  for them then, i should reformat my computer (it is damned) and learn to resample.

thanks all
luke

[taperkat]

I also have many shows that, whether or not they're my cup of tea, I was the only taper. I was just contacted by a non friendly taper band that I stealthed, that I have on my list.. their management wants a copy. =]