Topic: CD-Wave registration poll

[silentmark]

I wont lie, for years I never knew a license reg was required, but Im a cheapskate about programs and have never paid a dime for it......

You can buy recording equipment but can't pony up 15 bucks ?! That's f'ing weaksause ...

[Brian Skalinder]

one of those things i keep meaning to do, but never get around to. it's in my never ending, things to do list. maybe it'll be $20 by the time i get to it,  but i will someday.

i know that sounds like a cop-out, but that's the best i can do atm.

You can buy recording equipment but can't pony up 15 bucks ?! That f'ing weaksause ...

[eric.B]

one of those things i keep meaning to do, but never get around to. it's in my never ending, things to do list. maybe it'll be $20 by the time i get to it,  but i will someday.

i know that sounds like a cop-out, but that's the best i can do atm.

You can buy recording equipment but can't pony up 15 bucks ?! That f'ing weaksause ...

hehehehehehehehehehehe *weaksauce*

[illconditioned]

Best $15 dollars I've ever spent on software, even better knowing it was voluntary after 7 years of 'trial' use.

I think this is part of the reason many people haven't purchased their CD-Wave license (and one of the reasons I started this thread):  misunderstanding of the license requirements.  Purchasing a license if using the program beyond the 31-day trial period is not voluntary - it's compulsory to satisfy the terms of the license.  The author simply chose not to implement software mechanisms (like crippling the software after 31-days, or providing a limited-functionality demo) to compel people to purchase the license.  Nonetheless, users are obligated to purchase the license if they continue to use the software beyond the trial period.

Just for reference, how many people have paid for other software they use (Cubase, Wavelab, Adobe Premiere, or official versions of Microsoft Windows, for that matter)?  How many people copy (studio) CDs or DVDs (without buying the originals)?

It is all a slippery slope.  I'm not saying where I am on that slope, just making a comment.  I do agree that it can't hurt to buy CDwave, though, especially given how much we use it and the reasonable price.

  Richard

[Brian Skalinder]

Just for reference, how many people have paid for other software they use

Oh, yeah...much bigger can o' worms here than just CD-Wave.

[Wiggle]

Best $15 dollars I've ever spent on software, even better knowing it was voluntary after 7 years of 'trial' use.

I think this is part of the reason many people haven't purchased their CD-Wave license (and one of the reasons I started this thread):  misunderstanding of the license requirements.  Purchasing a license if using the program beyond the 31-day trial period is not voluntary - it's compulsory to satisfy the terms of the license.  The author simply chose not to implement software mechanisms (like crippling the software after 31-days, or providing a limited-functionality demo) to compel people to purchase the license.  Nonetheless, users are obligated to purchase the license if they continue to use the software beyond the trial period.

Just for reference, how many people have paid for other software they use (Cubase, Wavelab, Adobe Premiere, or official versions of Microsoft Windows, for that matter)?  How many people copy (studio) CDs or DVDs (without buying the originals)?

It is all a slippery slope.  I'm not saying where I am on that slope, just making a comment.  I do agree that it can't hurt to buy CDwave, though, especially given how much we use it and the reasonable price.

  Richard

Maybe I'm a nerd but I pay for software. I have a bought and paid for copy of Cubase SE on my MacBook (that doesn't work properly because of the Intel but it's fine for the post work I do) and on my PC at work I have Soundforge, Wavelab, Photoshop and all sorts of other programs that were either paid for by me or the company. I also have access to a ridiculous amount of music courtesy of the Music Library at work. I could bring in a spindle of blanks and have my way with advance copies, back catalogue stuff, old vinyl and no one would ever know. I did it once, felt guilty and bought the album. Fortunately, it was something that I liked. I do sample a lot of CDs there, though. I'll listen to a couple of cuts in the Lib and if they grab me I'll sign the disc out and listen to it at my desk in the morning (CDs can't leave the building). If I like it enough that I still have it a couple of weeks later eight times out of ten I'll buy it.

Karma's a bitch and I'd hate to f with it over a couple of bucks, you know?

[illconditioned]

Best $15 dollars I've ever spent on software, even better knowing it was voluntary after 7 years of 'trial' use.

I think this is part of the reason many people haven't purchased their CD-Wave license (and one of the reasons I started this thread):  misunderstanding of the license requirements.  Purchasing a license if using the program beyond the 31-day trial period is not voluntary - it's compulsory to satisfy the terms of the license.  The author simply chose not to implement software mechanisms (like crippling the software after 31-days, or providing a limited-functionality demo) to compel people to purchase the license.  Nonetheless, users are obligated to purchase the license if they continue to use the software beyond the trial period.

Just for reference, how many people have paid for other software they use (Cubase, Wavelab, Adobe Premiere, or official versions of Microsoft Windows, for that matter)?  How many people copy (studio) CDs or DVDs (without buying the originals)?

It is all a slippery slope.  I'm not saying where I am on that slope, just making a comment.  I do agree that it can't hurt to buy CDwave, though, especially given how much we use it and the reasonable price.

  Richard

Maybe I'm a nerd but I pay for software. I have a bought and paid for copy of Cubase SE on my MacBook (that doesn't work properly because of the Intel but it's fine for the post work I do) and on my PC at work I have Soundforge, Wavelab, Photoshop and all sorts of other programs that were either paid for by me or the company. I also have access to a ridiculous amount of music courtesy of the Music Library at work. I could bring in a spindle of blanks and have my way with advance copies, back catalogue stuff, old vinyl and no one would ever know. I did it once, felt guilty and bought the album. Fortunately, it was something that I liked. I do sample a lot of CDs there, though. I'll listen to a couple of cuts in the Lib and if they grab me I'll sign the disc out and listen to it at my desk in the morning (CDs can't leave the building). If I like it enough that I still have it a couple of weeks later eight times out of ten I'll buy it.

Karma's a bitch and I'd hate to f with it over a couple of bucks, you know?

Yep.  I'm just pointing out that Karma involves a lot of things.  Where do I draw the line?  Well, I try to buy a lot of CDs (at shows, so the band gets more money).  Typically one CD a week.  I often buy regardless of whether I really want a CD, just to support the band.  I'm doing this less and less now.  I figure if I give back a good recording I'm helping the band (maybe...), but I still do buy a lot of CDs.  I also don't copy independent CDs.  If someone (friend or family member, typically) asks for "a copy" I try to buy it for them.

  Richard

[F.O.Bean]

I wont lie, for years I never knew a license reg was required, but Im a cheapskate about programs and have never paid a dime for it......

You can buy recording equipment but can't pony up 15 bucks ?! That's f'ing weaksause ...

hey, at least im one of the honest ones in this thread I didnt even know it cost ANY $$ until the last few months.....I ALWAYS thought it was 100% free......

And FWIW, Im broker than prolly anyone on this site right now being on/off of work for so long due to personal injuries

[Teen Wolf Blitzer]

While I bought and paid for my cdwav (and other lesser priced programs like burn software and dvdaudiofile) I have to admit I run cracked copies of Soundforge, Samplitude and Wavlab.  I just don't have the $$ to throw down over 3 grand on those 3 programs. (which is the street cost of the 3 versions I have)  I know it not a good thing to do and I wouldn't recommend it to others but it is what it is.  I fess up.     And I know there is the cheapie versions of all 3 available.  Maybe one day I'll switch over.

[Brian Skalinder]

I have to admit I run cracked copies of Soundforge, Samplitude and Wavlab.  I just don't have the $$ to throw down over 3 grand on those 3 programs.

Thanks for your honesty - well, in the response, anyway.    I'm curious about why you run cracked versions of 3 different, but similar, editing apps.  Are there critical features you need in each of those three that you can't get out of an affordable app, like Samplitude SE ($50)?  And are there critical features in each of the three cracked apps that you don't get out of the other two cracked apps?  Or does a less expensive app (like Samplitude SE @ $50) provide the critical feature sets you need, and purely personal preference drives using the other cracked versions?

[boojum]

I paid.  I pay for shareware if I use it past the trial period.  I was a programmer and know the work required to write, test and debug software.  It is damned hard when you get past the "hello world" stage.  We don't steal the hardware, so how can we justify stealing the software?  Or the music for that matter?  YMMV

[illconditioned]

I have to admit I run cracked copies of Soundforge, Samplitude and Wavlab.  I just don't have the $$ to throw down over 3 grand on those 3 programs.

Thanks for your honesty - well, in the response, anyway.    I'm curious about why you run cracked versions of 3 different, but similar, editing apps.  Are there critical features you need in each of those three that you can't get out of an affordable app, like Samplitude SE ($50)?  And are there critical features in each of the three cracked apps that you don't get out of the other two cracked apps?  Or does a less expensive app (like Samplitude SE @ $50) provide the critical feature sets you need, and purely personal preference drives using the other cracked versions?

I don't use Soundforge or Samplitude, but I use the "montage" feature in Wavelab.  I use it both for combining files (matrix recordings) and for tracking out CDs.

I used Cubase for multitrack recording before I got an R4.

  Richard

[Teen Wolf Blitzer]

Well I can't speak to Samplitude SE.  Is it the same as Samplitude Professional 7?  I assume not since it's like 900 bucks.     I only use it for mixing my 4 tracks.  That's all I use of it.  I only use Wavlab for downsampling and dither and I haven't used Soundforge in a few years.  Is Samplitude's dithering algorythym pretty good?  If so I'd consider an all in one and at 50 bones I can afford it.      I never liked Soundforges dithering.  Sounds weird to me.

I have to admit I run cracked copies of Soundforge, Samplitude and Wavlab.  I just don't have the $$ to throw down over 3 grand on those 3 programs.

Thanks for your honesty - well, in the response, anyway.    I'm curious about why you run cracked versions of 3 different, but similar, editing apps.  Are there critical features you need in each of those three that you can't get out of an affordable app, like Samplitude SE ($50)?  And are there critical features in each of the three cracked apps that you don't get out of the other two cracked apps?  Or does a less expensive app (like Samplitude SE @ $50) provide the critical feature sets you need, and purely personal preference drives using the other cracked versions?

[Brian Skalinder]

Well I can't speak to Samplitude SE.  Is it the same as Samplitude Professional 7?  I assume not since it's like 900 bucks.     I only use it for mixing my 4 tracks.  That's all I use of it.  I only use Wavlab for downsampling and dither and I haven't used Soundforge in a few years.  Is Samplitude's dithering algorythym pretty good?  If so I'd consider an all in one and at 50 bones I can afford it.      I never liked Soundforges dithering.  Sounds weird to me.

Not sure how SSE v9 compares with Pro 7.  I use SSE v8.  Here's an overview and comparison of v9 and v9 SE.  My v8 SE allows me to do all the stuff I normally (and sometimes only occasionally) need to do:

• edit virtually, in an object-oriented environment
• handles recordings > 2GB
  
• mix 4+ tracks
• amplify | normalize
• compression | limit
• volume envelope
• tracking
• fade-in/out | crossfades
• parametric EQ
• phase inversion
• time stretching
• DirectX | VST plugins as desired
• resample
• dither

FWIW, I think SSE's resample sounds very good, and I like it's dither a lot.  I don't like SSE's dither as much as MegaBitMax or Waves IDR, but those plugins would cost me another $250+.  And unlike most here, I'm not a huge fan of UV22HR.  You can listen to all the dither algos I mention side-by-side in my dither comp, v4 - I added SSE Feb 2007.

[boojum]

TM - I use SAM8 SE and I think the dither is good.  But I am half-crazed so you may want to check it out before you buy.  SAM seems plenty powerful in the US$50 version.  There is plenty there for me to learn.

L8R