Author Topic: Tascam DR07 and DR100 (Read 19544 times)

flintstone · « **on:** January 14, 2009, 06:53:26 PM »

At the Winter meeting of NAMM in Anaheim, Tascam has announced two new portable WAV recorders. The first is the DR07, which appears to be a slimmer version of the familiar DR-1. The DR07 street price will start at about $200.

The second recorder is the DR100, a WAV recorder that has XLR mic/line inputs with phantom power, as well as built-in cardiod and omni mics. Street price is about $430.

digifish_music · « **Reply #1 on:** January 14, 2009, 07:25:10 PM »

Quote from: flintstone on January 14, 2009, 06:53:26 PM

At the Winter meeting of NAMM in Anaheim, Tascam has announced two new portable WAV recorders. The first is the DR07, which appears to be a slimmer version of the familiar DR-1. The DR07 street price will start at about $200.

The second recorder is the DR100, a WAV recorder that has XLR mic/line inputs with phantom power, as well as built-in cardiod and omni mics. Street price is about $430.

Images courtesy of this link from the Sound Professionals site

The pro version seems to have all the right features.

Ozpeter · « **Reply #2 on:** January 14, 2009, 10:53:05 PM »

Some DR-100 details at http://www.soundstore.co.nz/p-2708-tascam-dr100-portable-digital-recorder-coming-soon.aspx -

Handheld stereo digital recorder

· Two XLR mic inputs with 48v phantom power

· Built-in monitor speaker

· Dual battery powered operation (BP-L2(Lithium-ion) and/or 2 x size AA batteries) allows both of long time operation and easily-available

· Optional wired and wireless remote control

· Four microphones - Two uni-directional microphones for high quality stereo recording and two omni-directional microphones for minutes recording.

· Auto recording – recording is automatically started when the input signal exceeds a threshold level

· Locate marker function

· File divide function

· Pre-recording

· File renaming (Date/User Word)

· Quick menu allows deleting or tagging a file at HOME screen.

· Record delay – Recording is started few seconds later when you press RECORD key.

· Auto track increment: Track is automatically incremented when file size exceeds the maximum file size setting.

· Manual track increment

· Tripod socket hole is standard

· Soft case and wind screen are included

Ozpeter · « **Reply #3 on:** January 14, 2009, 11:01:57 PM »

It's a pity that "DR-100" is already a popular name for audio gear - anyone looking for details of the Tascam on the net is going to come up with a lot of wrong hits.

flintstone · « **Reply #4 on:** January 14, 2009, 11:06:37 PM »

From the Soundstore site in New Zealand:
"Record delay – Recording is started few seconds later when you press RECORD key."

I don't think they really are touting a delay in the start of recording as a feature! Maybe they are referring to a pre-roll buffer of a few seconds' duration. Or maybe they mean the delay in the start of recording is very brief.

Flintstone

gossling · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2009, 12:42:48 AM »

Quote from: flintstone on January 14, 2009, 11:06:37 PM

From the Soundstore site in New Zealand:
"Record delay – Recording is started few seconds later when you press RECORD key."

I don't think they really are touting a delay in the start of recording as a feature! Maybe they are referring to a pre-roll buffer of a few seconds' duration. Or maybe they mean the delay in the start of recording is very brief.

Flintstone

Haha, I wouldn't consider "few seconds later" very brief! But yeah, I'm guessing they mean a few seconds before you press record key...meaning the pre-roll buffer like you suggested. And I thought I had decided on the H4n...guess I'll have to wait for reviews to come out.

Ozpeter · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2009, 12:51:53 AM »

A delay in recording is useful to avoid the click of the button or other handling noise. I think they mean what they say - especially as "pre-recording" is also listed as a feature.

H₂O · « **Reply #7 on:** January 15, 2009, 02:29:56 PM »

flintstone · « **Reply #8 on:** January 15, 2009, 05:25:45 PM »

The Tascam web site has added information about these recorders

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DR100 web page: http://www.tascam.com/products/dr-100.html
Owners manual: not available yet
Dimensions 3.2 x 6.0 x 1.4 inches, that's about the same size as the Sony PCM-D50.
No weight estimate is provided on the web site yet.

I read somewhere that the DR100 runs on 2 AA batteries or the BP-L2 Li-Ion rechargeable battery, like the DR-1 uses. It will be interesting to see how long this unit can record while providing 48V phantom power.

The web page mentions "analog limiting and filtering for great-sounding recordings," so maybe the DR100 will sound better than the DR-1.

---------------------

DR07 web page: http://www.tascam.com/products/dr-07.html
Owners manual: http://www.tascam.com/i-3716-232-128-0-00A7F9AA.pdf

Looks like the DR07 is very similar to the DR-1.
DR07 dimensions are 2.2 x 5.3 x 1.1 inches, 4.4 oz with battery
DR-1 dimensions are 2.8 x 5.3 x 1.1 inches, 7.34 oz with battery

The width is narrower because the DR07 uses 2 AAs instead of the DR-1's rechargeable Li-Ion battery.
Also, and probably most important, no auxiliary 1/4-inch mic input

H₂O · « **Reply #9 on:** January 15, 2009, 06:02:14 PM »

I hope the DR-100 supports line in on the XLRs - It's marked as a mic in though.

flintstone · « **Reply #10 on:** January 15, 2009, 06:23:57 PM »

Digifish is right about the Recording Delay function. Here's what the DR07 manual says

"This function allows the start of recording from the time of pressing the Record key to be delayed 10 milliseconds. This is convenient if you want to avoid recording the sound of the record key being pressed."

You can choose to have Recording Delay on or off.

audBall · « **Reply #11 on:** January 15, 2009, 08:29:50 PM »

Quote from: H2O on January 15, 2009, 06:02:14 PM

I hope the DR-100 supports line in on the XLRs - It's marked as a mic in though.

According to this site:

The Tascam DR-100 Portable Digital Recorder includes ... 2 XLR Mic or line inputs allowing phantom powered microphones or balanced line inputs to be connected.

..not sure how much faith I have in that though.

printguy · « **Reply #12 on:** January 16, 2009, 07:13:01 AM »

Quote from: AudBall on January 15, 2009, 08:29:50 PM

Quote from: H2O on January 15, 2009, 06:02:14 PM
I hope the DR-100 supports line in on the XLRs - It's marked as a mic in though.

According to this site:

The Tascam DR-100 Portable Digital Recorder includes ... 2 XLR Mic or line inputs allowing phantom powered microphones or balanced line inputs to be connected.

..not sure how much faith I have in that though.

From http://tascam.com/products/dr-100.html

Quote

The rugged TASCAM DR-100 offers high-end recording features to musicians and engineers who demand more from their portable recorder. It features four built-in microphones, two cardioid and two omnidirectional, with analog limiting and filtering for great-sounding recordings. A pair of XLR microphone inputs with phantom power welcomes pro-grade condenser microphones, and line in and out connectors are also provided.

The DR-100 includes a rechargeable Lithium-ion battery, but can also be powered by AA batteries or an optional AC adapter. A built-in speaker allows for instant playback, and the metal enclosure includes a tripod mounting hole for recording flexibility. A wireless remote control is also included for remotely starting the recording.

That reads as though the XLRs are not also line inputs...

datbrad · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2009, 10:12:12 AM »

It looks to me as though the line inputs on the DR100 are not on the XLRs, based on the text and the input selector switch in the photo. I am still focusing on the PMD661 for it's XLR line inputs, since XLR line level inputs can typically take a signal 14 db louder than unbalanced inputs can accept before overload. No digital input on it either it seems, at least from what I can tell.

spyder9 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2009, 10:26:12 AM »

The DR07 looks like a simple redesign. AA's, instead of lithium bats. I like the new face, for it doesn't have the stupid FX button, that can be accidentally hit. I would like to know if it can keep recording after it hits 2GB. The DR100's info says it can. Maybe the DR07?

mozmoz8 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 16, 2009, 02:34:13 PM »

anyone know the max sampling rate (48kHz or higher)?

sunjan · « **Reply #16 on:** January 16, 2009, 04:34:28 PM »

Quote from: mozmoz8 on January 16, 2009, 02:34:13 PM

anyone know the max sampling rate (48kHz or higher)?

DR-07: Writes WAV files at 44.1 or 48kHz, 16 or 24-bit

Same goes for the DR-100, according to this German site:
http://www.delamar.de/tascam-dr-100/

DR-100 uses the same Li-Ion battery as the DR-1, with the added option of 2xAA. What I'm really curious about is the battery life when using the P48.

Ozpeter · « **Reply #17 on:** January 16, 2009, 06:42:31 PM »

The DR-100 has a separate line input and output on its side. That doesn't necessarily mean the the XLRs will not accept a line input - that perhaps depends on whether the input circuit can cope with such signals with input gain set to minimum.

spyder9 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 16, 2009, 08:36:33 PM »

Quote from: spyder9 on January 16, 2009, 10:26:12 AM

The DR07 looks like a simple redesign. AA's, instead of lithium bats. I like the new face, for it doesn't have the stupid FX button, that can be accidentally hit. I would like to know if it can keep recording after it hits 2GB. The DR100's info says it can. Maybe the DR07?

Just read that the DR07 can automatically start a new track once it hits 2GB. I hope Tascam has a firmware upgrade to the GTR/DR1 for this feature.

flintstone · « **Reply #19 on:** January 17, 2009, 08:37:17 AM »

Photos of the back of the DR-100 are scarce, but here's one:
http://www.dv247.com/assets/products/61514_l.jpg

Can anyone make out the functions of the switches on the back?
It would be helpful if we could set limiter, mic attenuation, and
low cut filter functions without a trip through the software menus.

The above photo shows a cut line on the back of the DR-100 at
about where you might expect access to the battery compartment.
But I think the battery door is on the side, below the concentric
gain control dials. A door on the side will allow you to change out
batteries without removing the recorder from a tripod -- nice!.
Also sweet to have individual control over the gain of each channel.

edit: I found this short movie, taken at the NAMM show, that briefly
shows the back of the DR-100. The slide switches are in a different
configuration, and there does not appear to be a tripod mount on
this floor model.
http://www.howaudio.com/vids/cap/play.php?vid=http://howaudio.vo.llnwd.net/o25/s/NAMM09/TascamDR100.flv

Maybe the machine shown at NAMM is an early engineering sample.
The differences between the model shown and the photo make me
think it may be a while before Tascam finalizes the design for the
DR-100 and goes into production.

Flintstone

printguy · « **Reply #20 on:** January 17, 2009, 08:42:08 AM »

Quote from: flintstone on January 17, 2009, 08:37:17 AM

Photos of the back of the DR-100 are scarce, but here's one:
http://www.dv247.com/assets/products/61514_l.jpg

The colour scheme, and form on this image is different from the images on tascams site:

I wonder if it's a digital mock-up, or a pre-production or Euro/Japanese version?

sunjan · « **Reply #21 on:** January 17, 2009, 09:37:32 AM »

Quote from: printguy on January 17, 2009, 08:42:08 AM

I wonder if it's a digital mock-up, or a pre-production or Euro/Japanese version?

You're right, this is a CAD mock-up image!

antsyashley · « **Reply #22 on:** January 20, 2009, 01:29:35 AM »

As a brand new taper, I am purchasing the DR-07. FYI, this is being released and shipped today (Tuesday) to Sound Professionals. They will receive shipment around Friday. I'm getting a quick ship so I can have it in hand next Tuesday to tape my first show Wed night if all goes well!!

taperwheeler · « **Reply #23 on:** January 20, 2009, 12:22:26 PM »

Can't wait to hear reviews and results from the field on the 07. Very reasonable price. Only concern I see as far as being a standalone for high SPL situations is "A pair of highly-sensitive built in mics captures a wide stereo image".

Looking at this pic http://www.tascam.com/i-3715-203-64-0-26F01B49.jpg kinda confused as to the controls. Looks like the input level for the line in is a roller knob? Kinda weird...

colargol · « **Reply #24 on:** January 20, 2009, 12:56:48 PM »

Quote from: taperwheeler on January 20, 2009, 12:22:26 PM

Can't wait to hear reviews and results from the field on the 07. Very reasonable price. Only concern I see as far as being a standalone for high SPL situations is "A pair of highly-sensitive built in mics captures a wide stereo image".

Looking at this pic http://www.tascam.com/i-3715-203-64-0-26F01B49.jpg kinda confused as to the controls. Looks like the input level for the line in is a roller knob? Kinda weird...

This might be the stealth recorder I have been looking for ever since I stopped using my old and faithful PCM-M1. I've been using R09 for a while now, but I miss the good combination of a hold button and the sturdy roller knob for input level, so that the levels can be adjusted without turning hold off...

As it seems to have the other features I want/need, I can't wait to read about the actual quality of preamp, line in and build. I hope guysonic will give us the usual test results :-)

-Colargol

digifish_music · « **Reply #25 on:** February 04, 2009, 04:52:03 PM »

DR100 Video...

http://www.gearwire.com/tascam-dr100-wnamm09.html

flintstone · « **Reply #26 on:** March 12, 2009, 02:09:22 PM »

Now that the DR-100 manual is available, some of our questions have been answered.

-- max digitizing rate is 24/48

-- two separate battery compartments, one for Li-Ion cell and one for 2 AA cells
Unit will draw power from both battery sources. It's possible to change one while
the other battery is the source of power.

-- no line input via XLR

Flintstone

daspyknows · « **Reply #27 on:** March 14, 2009, 01:26:01 AM »

I just ordered my DR100. Out the door for under $400. I should have it in less than 2 weeks. The retirement is coming to an end. I expect to break it in at the Allman Brothers show in Oakland and then 6 of the Clapton/Winwood shows.

BayTaynt3d · « **Reply #28 on:** March 14, 2009, 06:17:17 PM »

Quote from: colargol on January 20, 2009, 12:56:48 PM

Quote from: taperwheeler on January 20, 2009, 12:22:26 PM
Can't wait to hear reviews and results from the field on the 07. Very reasonable price. Only concern I see as far as being a standalone for high SPL situations is "A pair of highly-sensitive built in mics captures a wide stereo image".

Looking at this pic http://www.tascam.com/i-3715-203-64-0-26F01B49.jpg kinda confused as to the controls. Looks like the input level for the line in is a roller knob? Kinda weird...

This might be the stealth recorder I have been looking for ever since I stopped using my old and faithful PCM-M1. I've been using R09 for a while now, but I miss the good combination of a hold button and the sturdy roller knob for input level, so that the levels can be adjusted without turning hold off...

As it seems to have the other features I want/need, I can't wait to read about the actual quality of preamp, line in and build. I hope guysonic will give us the usual test results :-)

-Colargol

I still can't figure out if the DR07 has built-in omnis or what?

deadhoarse · « **Reply #29 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:02:19 PM »

Quote from: colargol on January 20, 2009, 12:56:48 PM

This might be the stealth recorder I have been looking for ever since I stopped using my old and faithful PCM-M1. I've been using R09 for a while now, but I miss the good combination of a hold button and the sturdy roller knob for input level, so that the levels can be adjusted without turning hold off...

As it seems to have the other features I want/need, I can't wait to read about the actual quality of preamp, line in and build. I hope guysonic will give us the usual test results :-)

-Colargol

I'm liking the looks of the DR-07 as well, the roller wheel is one of the features I really like on the PCM-M1...being able to lock it and still adjust the levels. From the pictures it just seems to have a better layout that the R-09HR (at least to me). The mic-in and line-in are on the top and the left side...the R-09HR has the inputs on the left. I primarily hold my recorder in my left hand, and having plugs sticking out on that side would make things awkward. No switches on the back either, no chance of accidently flipping one like on the HR. At $199 I'm tempted to pick one up.

nzo · « **Reply #30 on:** March 20, 2009, 01:38:46 PM »

Could anyone comment on the preamp quality of the DR-07 ? (I suppose the DR-07
can provide power for condenser mics, right ?)

Also, does it seamlessly split at 2Gb ?

Thanks in advance,

vegas06 · « **Reply #31 on:** March 20, 2009, 02:19:32 PM »

Has anyone heard if you are able to record via it's built in mics and XLR inputs at the same time, like the Zoom H4n does?

flintstone · « **Reply #32 on:** March 20, 2009, 02:56:08 PM »

The DR-100 manual says you can record from one source
(internal mics, XLR external mics, line input) at a time.
You select the source from the menu, and this turns off
the other sources.

There is an "overdub" mode that lets you add a live feed
to a recorded file, creating a new file that is the combination
of both. Useful for adding vocals to a pre-recorded guitar,
or singing harmony with yourself, I guess. The DR-1 includes
the overdub feature, but the DR-07 does not.

Flintstone

colargol · « **Reply #33 on:** March 21, 2009, 07:20:31 PM »

Quote from: nzo on March 20, 2009, 01:38:46 PM

Could anyone comment on the preamp quality of the DR-07 ? (I suppose the DR-07
can provide power for condenser mics, right ?)

Also, does it seamlessly split at 2Gb ?

Thanks in advance,

Just got the DR-07... The manual gives the impression it seamlessly splits at 2gb (or less, according to your setting), but whether it is truly seamless, I don't know yet. It does have plug-in power that can be switched on or off, but I don't see any additional information about this.

-Colargol

spyder9 · « **Reply #34 on:** March 29, 2009, 11:07:38 AM »

I'm thinking about grabbing a DR-100 this year. Any samples would be grateful.

soundpro · « **Reply #35 on:** March 29, 2009, 04:57:22 PM »

Hello:

We just posted some samples:

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/TAS-DR-100

Best Regards,

Chris Carfagno
sales@soundprofessionals.com
www.soundprofessionals.com
The Sound Professionals, Inc.
3444 Sylon Blvd
Hainesport NJ, 08036
800-213-3021
609-267-4400
609-267-0054 fax

taperwheeler · « **Reply #36 on:** April 21, 2009, 10:00:35 AM »

Looking to add a 2nd 24 bit recorder and leaning towards the dr-7. Any feedback on the pres/adc of the unit? Limits, battery life, overall opinions?

Thanks...

flintstone · « **Reply #37 on:** April 21, 2009, 10:55:36 AM »

Tests by Avisoft Bioacoustics indicate that the DR07 and DR100
share the same preamp performance. It's disappointing that
you pay such a large premium for the DR100's XLR inputs, metal
case and Li-Ion battery. (DR07 = $165 delivered from buy.com
DR100 = $370 delivered from eBay. In both cases, the vendor is
"the deal spot.")

The Avisoft tests of preamp self-noise place the DR07 and DR100
in the middle of the pack, similar to the Marantz PMD620, and not
nearly as good as the Marantz PMD661 and Sony PCM-D50.

The Avisoft tests of portable audio recorders are the most complete
and most consistent ones available. To date, results are posted for
20 recorder models tested in 27 configurations.

The Avisoft Bioacoustics tests are controversial because they test
preamp performance at full gain and 16/44.1. The Avisoft tests are
conducted in this way because nature recording often needs lots of
gain (little bird singing from the top of a distant tall tree, for example)

Flintstone

taperwheeler · « **Reply #38 on:** April 21, 2009, 11:26:45 AM »

Thanks for the info! Will search for the Avisoft website.

$165 is a great deal too. May go ahead and pick one up. Looking for a better 24 bit recorder for running analog. My mt2 is okay but think this may be a step up.

Quote from: flintstone on April 21, 2009, 10:55:36 AM

Tests by Avisoft Bioacoustics indicate that the DR07 and DR100
share the same preamp performance. It's disappointing that
you pay such a large premium for the DR100's XLR inputs, metal
case and Li-Ion battery. (DR07 = $165 delivered from buy.com
DR100 = $370 delivered from eBay. In both cases, the vendor is
"the deal spot.")

The Avisoft tests of preamp self-noise place the DR07 and DR100
in the middle of the pack, similar to the Marantz PMD620, and not
nearly as good as the Marantz PMD661 and Sony PCM-D50.

The Avisoft tests of portable audio recorders are the most complete
and most consistent ones available. To date, results are posted for
20 recorder models tested in 27 configurations.

The Avisoft Bioacoustics tests are controversial because they test
preamp performance at full gain and 16/44.1. The Avisoft tests are
conducted in this way because nature recording often needs lots of
gain (little bird singing from the top of a distant tall tree, for example)

Flintstone

rowjimmy · « **Reply #39 on:** April 24, 2009, 11:16:02 AM »

According to the Tascam site, 96kHz recording will be available for the dr-100 via the version 1.10 software update.

I think that confirms my interest in buying one of these.

taperwheeler · « **Reply #40 on:** May 05, 2009, 07:27:55 AM »

Anybody know what unity is on the dr-07? I ordered one and am hoping to give it a run this weekend. Sure hoping that the line in is a stepup from my mt2.

soundpro · « **Reply #41 on:** May 05, 2009, 09:48:29 PM »

Hello:

Tascam has released the update for hi-res recording:

http://tascam.com/products/dr-100;9,12,3717,19.html

Best Regards,

Chris Carfagno
sales@soundprofessionals.com
www.soundprofessionals.com
The Sound Professionals, Inc.
3444 Sylon Blvd
Hainesport NJ, 08036
800-213-3021
609-267-4400
609-267-0054 fax