Topic: Zoom R16 8 track recorder.....

[Walstib62]

Gotcha!

[Chris K]

when you dont have a FOH guy dialing you in perfectly, you sort of get this raw mix where certain things are too loud, or too soft...and you can't do anything about it (as it comes via RCA stereo output from any given mixer). 

yeah, but I was only talking about recording rehearsals with the H4N. I don't think I would use it to record an actual performance.

[cybergaloot]

It's the R-44 not an R-4, slightly different.  But even though the price is cheap I'm not in a position to spend even the $400 that this unit cost unless I sell something to fund it.  I could sell my R-44 and buy this and a 4 channel Preamp( Niaant Big Box in particular) and not have to spend any money. 

I know you don't want to spend any money but don't forget that you can use the R-44 to power 4 condensor mics and then use the line outs to send those channels to the R16. You wouldn't have to buy the Big Box unless you just like its preamps better.

[Walstib62]

AND it becomes a "safety recording"

[cybergaloot]

I don't see where I'll be doing a lot of multi-track recording but I am interested in the R16 for the times it crops up and I had thought of using the R-44 in the way I described so I could use 6 phantom powered mics. That'll leave two channels for the soundboard.

[Nick's Picks]

the R16 only provides phantom to 2 of its 8 channels....so flush that notion.

[cybergaloot]

the R16 only provides phantom to 2 of its 8 channels....so flush that notion.

You're not following what I was saying, by using the R-44 in conjunction with the R16 you get six phantom powered channels. Feed the line outs of the R-44 into the R16.

[Walstib62]

You could also use the R-44 as a stand alone, and record separately 8 channels on the R 16. You can then matrix the tracks from the 2 machines in post. 12 tracks total.

[cybergaloot]

Yep but you might have to work to get the tracks in synch, the clocks could be off. But it is an option.

[Walstib62]

It is very easy to do in Audacity.

[cybergaloot]

Synch'ing two recordings that have the same clock is easy enough but stretching one that has a shorter clock cycle to match the other is more of a problem. I'm pretty sure it can be done in Audacity, its just a bunch more work.

[Walstib62]

No, it's easy. You line up the waveforms at the start. You then locate identical points near the end. You divide the shorter total time by the longer total time, which gives you a value less than 1. Multiply by 100 to get % correction. Then plug that number into the speed correction tool and it's perfect.

[cybergaloot]

Thanks, I'll have to try it that way.

[kirk97132]

It's the R-44 not an R-4, slightly different.  But even though the price is cheap I'm not in a position to spend even the $400 that this unit cost unless I sell something to fund it.  I could sell my R-44 and buy this and a 4 channel Preamp( Niaant Big Box in particular) and not have to spend any money. 

I know you don't want to spend any money but don't forget that you can use the R-44 to power 4 condensor mics and then use the line outs to send those channels to the R16. You wouldn't have to buy the Big Box unless you just like its preamps better.

Only way to fund the R-16 would be to sell the R-44.  I already have two preamps so buying the big box would give me a total of 8 channels of preamps if I wanted it. 

[Nick's Picks]

aaah, now I follow.
I know you can link two r44s, and you can do it w/two zoom boxes..., but I've never tried, nor do I know if there is even a time code I/O on the zoom.

one could always just get a phantom power source.  I think rolls makes a cheap one that does 4 or 6 channels.