Topic: M Audio Flash Tracker Recorder Update

[The Kilted Taper]

What he said...

And I guess I may have answered my own questions, but correct me if I am wrong. TRS is stereo and TS is mono, so if the claim is TRS, it'll just be one stereo plug....hmm......

[JasonSobel]

Excuse my ignorance, but what's a TRS input?

think of a big headphone cable plug...thats 1/4" TRS

a TRS plug has three connectors (Tip, Ring, and Sleeve).  because of this, it can run a balanced signal, or two unbalanced channels.  (someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but that is my understanding)

[JasonSobel]

What he said...

And I guess I may have answered my own questions, but correct me if I am wrong. TRS is stereo and TS is mono, so if the claim is TRS, it'll just be one stereo plug....hmm......

TRS is stereo only if unbalanced.  for a balanced signal, you need three conductors per channel, so if this thing is providing phantom power via TRS, it may be two TRS jacks, one for each channel.

[nic]

the specs say 48v phantom power, and the box is too small for xlr, so it has to be either 2x 1/4" TRS or 2x 1/8" TRS...I dont see them using the 1/8" TRS.

[keepongoin]

i am going with the assumption that it is 2x 1/4" TRS jacks.  those are small and will make it very nice to stealth with.

[MattD]

Back when I had the Metric Halo MIO, some of their analog channels used TRS inputs to save space. In addition, I have TRS ouputs on my ULN-2 that I use a TRS>XLR cable with to my (balanced) amp inputs.

You don't need to hunt too hard for good TRS>XLR cables. I picked mine up at Guitar Center for about $40. You'd just need to make sure you had the proper ends on the cables.

[keepongoin]

one can fashion their own cables for about 20-30 bucks or so, depending on how long you want to make them, too.  the tip is hot, the sleeve is the shield. 

[Nick's Picks]

If I owned a V3 or MME or something, one of these would be in my bag.
lets see....
V3 = $1500
Maudio = $350
4gbs of flash = $400

or a 722.
take your pick.  I guess i'd go w/the 722 at this price range just for hdd space.

Didn't you give the R4 a good review? Same HD space, 4 not 2 channels for $1000 less than the 722. If you're talking CF capabilities, it's a different story.

Yea...I was just thinking outloud.
Just because I give something a good review doestn' mean its my first choice in gear to run.
I gave the inbox a good review too.

[F.O.Bean]

i will still not sell my jb3, why sell it, ya know? it has worked flawlessly for me

i will run 16-bit backup in most cases for awhile anyway

[silentmark]

just spoke to M-Audio and here is the latest:

- First 1000 Shipping at the end of June for delivery in early July

- MAP Price (street) will be $399

- It will accomodate any size CF Card so 2 GB file size should not be an issue

We are at the top of their list for first orders and I expect to get a significant amount of these as soon as they ship which should fill the current wait list and more.  I do not think this will be like Sound Devices where we get a few at a time.   

- Frank

Sweet, as I am ready to be a test pig  #4 on the informal waiting list 

[silentmark]

yes!

i just wish that CF memory was cheaper.

that's the major drawback at this point but prices are dropping... recording 24/48 until prices fall is a possible way to save money

I know somewhere is a chart with 24 bit audio and the amount of GB's needed at given sample rates for a given period of time but I can't seem to find it, anyone know where that is?

24/48 = approx 1 GB per hour
24/96 = approx 2 GB per hour

From the archive, by Bri...

Want to know what size your 16-bit or 24-bit files will be on hard drive at different sample rates?  Here you go...

Bit-Depth      Sample Rate (in kHz)       MB Per Track-Minute
16                  44.1                                 5
16                  48                                    5.5
24                  44.1                                 7.6
24                  48                                    8.25
24                  96                                    16.5
24                  192                                  33

A typical CD-R can hold just over 21 track minutes of 24/96 audio...


i may have to buy one of these suckers and a few 2 or 4 GB flash drives...

I found this chart for the PMD670, at the bottom is a nice little chart for 16bit, up to 48: http://www.micsupply.com/PMD670mediatimes.pdf

[Todd R]

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Good deal on the update, looking forward to this!

I think the answer to the storage dilemma is a portable USB OTG ("on-the-go") drive.  I just picked up this one.

Ok, for an update on this:

The OTG drive looks like it is just the ticket.  I ordered mine from the link above on Tuesday, got it from UPS just a little while ago.  Worked great right out of the box.  I used is as a host drive connected to a card reader I have and transferred about 900MB of photo files from my 1GB CF card to the OTG drive.  Downside is it took about 15 minutes, but I have no idea if the limiting factor was my card reader or the OTG drive (my card reader might well be USB 1.1, not 2.0).  Literature that came with the drive says battery life of 1.5 hours with continuous use, so an external 5v battery for field operation might be a good idea.  $80 for 30gb of portable, field transferrable disk space is a pretty good deal.

[F.O.Bean]

the beauty of the OTG drive then is that it can be powered via the VR Box from leegeddy most definitely w/ a 5.2v output

[F.O.Bean]

a little off subject BUT when going firewire>firewire from jb3 to jb3 for direct file transfers, the transfer takes about 30 ,mins per 2 hr set

[keepongoin]

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Good deal on the update, looking forward to this!

I think the answer to the storage dilemma is a portable USB OTG ("on-the-go") drive.  I just picked up this one.

Ok, for an update on this:

The OTG drive looks like it is just the ticket.  I ordered mine from the link above on Tuesday, got it from UPS just a little while ago.  Worked great right out of the box.  I used is as a host drive connected to a card reader I have and transferred about 900MB of photo files from my 1GB CF card to the OTG drive.  Downside is it took about 15 minutes, but I have no idea if the limiting factor was my card reader or the OTG drive (my card reader might well be USB 1.1, not 2.0).  Literature that came with the drive says battery life of 1.5 hours with continuous use, so an external 5v battery for field operation might be a good idea.  $80 for 30gb of portable, field transferrable disk space is a pretty good deal.

word to that... I plan on getting  2 x 2 GB cards, and a 4 GB card for the m-audio - that will mean i can swap out cards and not miss anything at festivals where the sets are under and hour, and it will give me plenty of time to dump that data to that 30 GB drive.