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Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« on: October 26, 2017, 01:15:04 PM »
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1367739-REG/sennheiser_ambeo_smart_headset_in_ear.html




Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET In-Ear Headphones with Three Built-In Microphones, Inline Remote, and Lightning Connector

Product Highlights

    Lightning Connector
    Selectable Active Noise Cancellation
    Omnidirectional Microphones in Earpieces
    Inline Microphone in Remote
    Apogee Soft Limit and Microphone Preamp
    Adjustable Mic Sensitivity
    20 Hz to 20 kHz Frequency Response
    Programmable Smart Slider
    Inline Remote Control



anyone know anything about these or have experience ?
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Re: Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2017, 01:42:35 PM »
Those look interesting. Only slightly out of the fuck it...I'll try them range.

I wonder if they will still work with a Lightning > USB-C adapter.

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Re: Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2017, 01:50:15 PM »
Those look interesting. Only slightly out of the fuck it...I'll try them range.

I wonder if they will still work with a Lightning > USB-C adapter.

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Re: Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2017, 06:37:14 PM »
This video says Android version coming soon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BFlR2RFiH4

...I'll wait for that vs. running an adapter.

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Re: Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2017, 12:03:23 PM »
Potentially very cool.  Wonder if the active noise-cancellation has enough headroom to not clip when pounded by heavy bass.  Wonder if the app will support dynamic attenuation, effectively reducing the attenuation when the SPL drops.  Always wanted to dial in my own personalized ear-plug EQ attenuation curve.
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Re: Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2017, 07:40:13 PM »
I snapped some photos of the AMBEO VR model (tetrahedral mic). 

They are here:
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Re: Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2018, 08:01:14 PM »
Charlie Hunter Trio 8/8/18 -one set was dpa 4061+d:vice, another was ambeo headset- can you guess which?

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Re: Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2018, 09:10:35 PM »
Potentially very cool.  Wonder if the active noise-cancellation has enough headroom to not clip when pounded by heavy bass.  Wonder if the app will support dynamic attenuation, effectively reducing the attenuation when the SPL drops.  Always wanted to dial in my own personalized ear-plug EQ attenuation curve.

Says it has the Apogee Soft-Limit.  Might it be like the Soft-Limit on the minime?
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2018, 09:58:05 PM »
not sure the soft limit will help if the caps are reaching their SPL limit
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Re: Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2018, 10:49:59 PM »
Charlie Hunter Trio 8/8/18 -one set was dpa 4061+d:vice, another was ambeo headset- can you guess which?

Personnel:
Charlie Hunter: 7-string
Damon Grant: Percussion
Lucy Woodward: Vocals

V0 mp3:

streamable google drive:
https://tinyurl.com/cht-tahoe

downloadable rar:
https://tinyurl.com/cht-tahoe-rar

Playback on B&W P3 headphonesSet 1 sounds more natural to me and I prefer the sound of that file set. They both sound good to me though and I would be happy with the results of both.

I'm really curious how these would do with a show with much higher SPL levels.
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Re: Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2018, 04:55:16 AM »
Charlie Hunter Trio 8/8/18 -one set was dpa 4061+d:vice, another was ambeo headset- can you guess which?

Personnel:
Charlie Hunter: 7-string
Damon Grant: Percussion
Lucy Woodward: Vocals

V0 mp3:

streamable google drive:
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downloadable rar:
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First set seemed a brighter sound (my preference) - is there a left/right reversal between the two sets??

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Re: Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2018, 10:12:07 AM »
possibly, i rarely pay attention to which mic goes where

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Re: Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2018, 10:14:02 PM »
Whats the verdict on these mics?  Can they handle the high SPL of String Cheese Incident or similar bands?

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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2018, 10:29:53 PM »
havent cheesed in a while but might see a metal show on tuesday
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Re: Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2019, 02:10:08 AM »
Finally got a chance to try these things at a couple of real shows. Setting audio levels

I ran Ambeo Headset > iPod Touch 32GB > Apogee Metarecorder.

EDIT: Had a hard time getting the files transferred. I had to use iTunes, which I had thought was discontinued.

SAMPLES:

I should be noted that I did not put much effort into this recording. Mics where basically clipped to my shirt, but they were in a nice spot in the venue and had a direct "line of sight" to the PA. Basically directly behind/slightly above the SBD.

Band is Sleater-Kinney. I thought it sounded OK. Venue (Ogden in Denver) is capable of sounding amazing. Probably not the best band to test mics with. They are pretty noisey. Not a lot of dynamic range with these guys.

Original file (converted from 24/48 > 16/44.1 only):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/daerd7nf6dqiowq/Ambeo%20Test%20-%20Original.wav?dl=0

EQ'd file:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fch9tw2zncs7uwa/Ambeo%20Test%20-%20EQ.wav?dl=0

...

Overall, I'm not impressed. Hopefully it was more of mic placement (too low) with a sub-par sounding show.

Trying again this week for a quieter band in a better sounding venue. Will report back with that when ASAP.
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Re: Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2019, 04:17:38 AM »
Finally got a chance to try these things at a couple of real shows. Setting audio levels

I ran Ambeo Headset > iPod Touch 32GB > Apogee Metarecorder.

EDIT: Had a hard time getting the files transferred. I had to use iTunes, which I had thought was discontinued.

CopyTrans suite can copy files for free (copy trans Apps module)
also sandisk flash usb drives can copy them directly from iphone

like most omnis, they sound better when baffled by your head or some distance (or binaural like these are meant to be used)
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Re: Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2019, 06:16:38 PM »
Finally got a chance to try these things at a couple of real shows. Setting audio levels

I ran Ambeo Headset > iPod Touch 32GB > Apogee Metarecorder.

I should be noted that I did not put much effort into this recording. Mics where basically clipped to my shirt, but they were in a nice spot in the venue and had a direct "line of sight" to the PA. Basically directly behind/slightly above the SBD.

Band is Sleater-Kinney. I thought it sounded OK. Venue (Ogden in Denver) is capable of sounding amazing. Probably not the best band to test mics with. They are pretty noisey. Not a lot of dynamic range with these guys.

Overall, I'm not impressed. Hopefully it was more of mic placement (too low) with a sub-par sounding show.

Trying again this week for a quieter band in a better sounding venue. Will report back with that when ASAP.

Sounds like it can't handle the SPL's of that kind of show.
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Re: Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2019, 06:33:32 PM »
Badly clipped.These microphones need to be hacked for 3 wire operation.Then they would sound "OK".
After that, capsules should be replaced with MKE2 or similar quality.
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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2019, 06:43:25 PM »
Finally got a chance to try these things at a couple of real shows. Setting audio levels

I ran Ambeo Headset > iPod Touch 32GB > Apogee Metarecorder.

EDIT: Had a hard time getting the files transferred. I had to use iTunes, which I had thought was discontinued.

SAMPLES:

I should be noted that I did not put much effort into this recording. Mics where basically clipped to my shirt, but they were in a nice spot in the venue and had a direct "line of sight" to the PA. Basically directly behind/slightly above the SBD.

Band is Sleater-Kinney. I thought it sounded OK. Venue (Ogden in Denver) is capable of sounding amazing. Probably not the best band to test mics with. They are pretty noisey. Not a lot of dynamic range with these guys.

Original file (converted from 24/48 > 16/44.1 only):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/daerd7nf6dqiowq/Ambeo%20Test%20-%20Original.wav?dl=0

EQ'd file:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fch9tw2zncs7uwa/Ambeo%20Test%20-%20EQ.wav?dl=0

...

Overall, I'm not impressed. Hopefully it was more of mic placement (too low) with a sub-par sounding show.

Trying again this week for a quieter band in a better sounding venue. Will report back with that when ASAP.

Did you have the smart headset setting for the LOW concert setting?

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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2019, 07:36:58 PM »
^ Yes. I think at least. I had something set to something like Less Sensitive in the Sennheiser AMBEO SmartHeadset app.

Recording was done in the Apogee Metarecorder app (which didn't seem to have a way to control levels).

Levels seemed to be good, but the sound could be better.

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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2019, 08:00:08 PM »
^ Yes. I think at least. I had something set to something like Less Sensitive in the Sennheiser AMBEO SmartHeadset app.

Recording was done in the Apogee Metarecorder app (which didn't seem to have a way to control levels).

its dependent on the device used. metarecorder with d:vice has levels for both channels independent or ganged
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2019, 01:04:59 AM »
OK! I tried this time. Was in the sweet spot. Wore the mics in my ears. Other than the crowd being fairly rowdy for being pretty old...the recording turned out decent.

I wouldn't be satisfied if all of my recordings were of this quality but for shows that I'd like a copy without having to jump through too many hoops for a stealth job they are pretty good.

Here's a sample. I have applied a bit of EQ (the master is pretty boomy), and a tad bit of compression.

https://soundcloud.com/fatah-ruark/bob-dylan-simple-twist-of-fate-live

EDIT:
Full show audio here. I did add a bit more EQ and Compression to this version (feel free to let me know which one you like more):
https://youtu.be/X3sHVgTBhOQ
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2019, 04:04:31 AM »
If budget isnt a huge issue 4061s in croakies crush them every time and is actually more low pro.
OK! I tried this time. Was in the sweet spot. Wore the mics in my ears. Other than the crowd being fairly rowdy for being pretty old...the recording turned out decent.

I wouldn't be satisfied if all of my recordings were of this quality but for shows that I'd like a copy without having to jump through too many hoops for a stealth job they are pretty good.

Here's a sample. I have applied a bit of EQ (the master is pretty boomy), and a tad bit of compression.

https://soundcloud.com/fatah-ruark/bob-dylan-simple-twist-of-fate-live

EDIT:
Full show audio here. I did add a bit more EQ and Compression to this version (feel free to let me know which one you like more):
https://youtu.be/X3sHVgTBhOQ
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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2019, 03:07:17 PM »
Here's another recoding from these mics. They still do a good job (IMO) for $99.

This was a louder show and I was worried about the levels going over / distortion and I don't hear anything.

Unfortunately I learned (the hard way) that MetaRecorder doesn't start a new file after 2GB (or if it does, I have some setting wrong). I started the recording about 40 minutes before the band went on and never looked at the app after that. Next time I will wait until the band starts. :D ...I made it almost to the encore. Wish I had at least checked during the encore break if it was still rolling.

Band is Pigface (offshoot from Ministry).

https://youtu.be/PwwyUtHx1zc

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« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2019, 08:53:28 PM »
Unfortunately I learned (the hard way) that MetaRecorder doesn't start a new file after 2GB (or if it does, I have some setting wrong).

set it to write to .CAF instead of .WAV and it will roll all night
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Re: Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2019, 10:04:41 PM »
Unfortunately I learned (the hard way) that MetaRecorder doesn't start a new file after 2GB (or if it does, I have some setting wrong).

set it to write to .CAF instead of .WAV and it will roll all night

Sweet. You've answered quite a few of my questions lately. Thanks.
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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2021, 08:53:25 AM »
I just bought this headset online for $139 Australian dollars - from a reputable dealer - another reputable dealer lists them for $439.  I get the impression that they never sold well and they have been on clearance for a while in various places.  Someone on YouTube said they'd paid 30 UK pounds.  I don't particularly need them but... I just can't resist a bargain. 

It will be interesting to compare them with the Roland in ear mics, the DJI Pocket 2 camera surround mics (which I think are basically two MS mics back-to-back) and the Zoom H2N in surround mode.  More for ambiences than music.  Some of the YouTube demos I have seen give the best binaural imaging I've come across - I often don't perceive sounds as coming from behind me, but with these, there's no doubt. 

But stereo and binaural imaging is a very subjective thing.  I used to work with a classical music CD producer who couldn't tell the difference between mono and stereo.  But he sure had a good ear for a bum note.

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« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2021, 01:24:12 AM »
I bought two of these (on clearance), thinking they would be great, without the ADC.
After taking them apart, I saw they are regular 5mm (?) electret capsules, not the lauded KE4 capsule in MKE2 and other classic mics.
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« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2021, 05:06:24 AM »
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You will find the MetaRecorder wav's in Filer.app and On my iPhone and there in a folder named MetaRecorder.
You can then transfer the recordings using pretty much every Share or Open In option.

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« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2021, 08:54:45 AM »
I finally got these going after a bit of a hiccup due to an internet cable failure out in the street (so I couldn't download the latest firmware, then had horrendous difficulty finding a way of actually getting the recorded files onto my Windows PC (where I couldn't install iTunes due also to said lack of internet).  But I've not yet had a chance to get out and about with them.

I'm only just now testing the headphone aspect - general opinion seems to be that they are bass shy and very bright. Well, for me they have massive bass if I screw them into my ears as if attempting to cause brain damage.  [First track of Max Richter's "Sleep" has about as low a low frequency pulse happening as you could wish to hear].  But they also do cover high and very high frequencies well, which for my tired old 70+ ears is great. The eq in the app is quite flexible despite having only three adjustment points, as you can at least slide them left and right as well as up and down.

Noise reduction is also pretty dependent on achieving a good seal at the ear, as one might expect.

Are they demonstrably better for recording than the Roland binaural mics?  I'll have to test that carefully, somehow.  But if nothing else they are an interesting device, and at the current kind of price I'm happy to add them to my arsenal of binaurals (Hooke Verse, Rolands, and this).

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« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2021, 12:04:26 PM »
Bass shy and very bright was my opinion too, until I found out how to position the in-ears.
Then it’s a lot better, but they don’t stay put and I generally dislike in-ears, but got the set for recording which so far seems impressive.
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« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2021, 04:50:26 PM »
It seems to be basically a 24 bit digital mic (given that you can't change the level in the Apogee app, so I assume it is passing a digital stream to the phone) and is therefore perhaps the cheapest 24 bit stereo mic you can buy?

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« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2021, 12:21:32 AM »
It seems to be basically a 24 bit digital mic (given that you can't change the level in the Apogee app, so I assume it is passing a digital stream to the phone) and is therefore perhaps the cheapest 24 bit stereo mic you can buy?
it is 24 bit, which speaks nothing to its quality.
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« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2021, 06:58:54 AM »
The Apogee app offers two levels for recording, a bit coarse, but it works.

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« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2021, 07:09:26 PM »
It seems to be basically a 24 bit digital mic (given that you can't change the level in the Apogee app, so I assume it is passing a digital stream to the phone) and is therefore perhaps the cheapest 24 bit stereo mic you can buy?
it is 24 bit, which speaks nothing to its quality.

True, but like the new 32 bit recorders, it has no level control, which is convenient.  Well, there are (as pointed out above) two settings, but the setting for loud sources would probably only be required in the front row of a rock concert.  As for quality, I was first drawn to it after watching a YouTube video which didn't state its audio source, but right away it impressed me - on enquiry the poster said it was the Ambeo.  By brand alone, the Sennheiser / Apogee pairing should be good.  Should...

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« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2021, 11:03:13 PM »
Figured I'd share a sample from these things. First time using them at a Classical show.

I did eq this and add some compression, so doesn't sound like this out of the recorder.

https://soundcloud.com/fatah-ruark/piano-quintet-in-e-flat-major-allegro-brillante

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« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2021, 07:19:28 PM »
Unfortunately, used like that the stereo image collapses and the point is lost...

[Edit - could you specify the app you used on the phone for this recording?  I hate to say it, but I rather suspect the recording was made using the mic on the phone and not the mics on the Ambeo headset.  It just sounds completely wrong, sorry.]
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« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2021, 09:28:46 PM »
Wow... I just purchased an adapter - "UGREEN USB-C to Lightning Adapter Cable USB Type C Male to Lightning Female Headphones Converter for iPad/MacBook/USB C Phones to Connect with Lightning Earphones Support Remote Control, Microphone" - and the Ambeo headset works with one of my two Android phones (Poco F1) -  the other phone only seems to work in mono, but I will experiment more - and also, it works with my "DJI Action 2" camera, which is pretty neat.  I thought this device was totally iOS only, but with this adapter much more is possible.  What a shame that they dicontinued the Ambio headset - it seems quite hard to find now, although very reasonably priced if your luck is in.

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« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2021, 10:10:22 AM »
Cool.
Would be nice if the Headset could work with a laptop

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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2021, 10:33:35 AM »
The Ugreen adapter is supposed to work with laptops - I've not tried it yet.

See my video showing the Ambeo headset used with the Action 2 camera -

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« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2021, 11:46:33 PM »
OK! I tried this time. Was in the sweet spot. Wore the mics in my ears. Other than the crowd being fairly rowdy for being pretty old...the recording turned out decent.

I wouldn't be satisfied if all of my recordings were of this quality but for shows that I'd like a copy without having to jump through too many hoops for a stealth job they are pretty good.

Here's a sample. I have applied a bit of EQ (the master is pretty boomy), and a tad bit of compression.

https://soundcloud.com/fatah-ruark/bob-dylan-simple-twist-of-fate-live

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Full show audio here. I did add a bit more EQ and Compression to this version (feel free to let me know which one you like more):
https://youtu.be/X3sHVgTBhOQ

I just got my hands on a set of these and aiming to try them at a show coming up next week. Are there any settings to be set in Apogee Metarecorder ahead of time? (Apart from setting to "low" on the headset?). Feel free to shoot me a DM, would love to pick your brain.

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« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2021, 03:51:32 AM »

I just got my hands on a set of these and aiming to try them at a show coming up next week. Are there any settings to be set in Apogee Metarecorder ahead of time? (Apart from setting to "low" on the headset?). Feel free to shoot me a DM, would love to pick your brain.

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I don't know what '"low" on the headset' means. You should set the Apogee Smart Headset App's recording level to "Reduce Level" for loud levels like amplified music. I don't use Metarecorder, but there should be nothing to set other than the sampling/bit rate. The rest is handled by the Apogee interface on the headset. It doesn't get any simpler.

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« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2021, 08:27:41 PM »
Make sure you set Metarecorder to record in CAF format otherwise it will stop recording when the file gets to 2GB.

I convert CAF to WAV with dbPowerAmp. I think you can also open CAF files with Audacity and then save them as WAV files for programs that don't recognize CAF files.
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« Reply #44 on: December 21, 2021, 09:49:41 AM »
I just bought a second Ambeo headset, a black one which will be less obvious in use.  I got it from this Amazon seller (with whom I have no connection) -

https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-AMBEO-Smart-Headset-Ear/dp/B08F72P94X - about $65 - seems fine even at that price.

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« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2021, 12:23:40 PM »
OK! I tried this time. Was in the sweet spot. Wore the mics in my ears. Other than the crowd being fairly rowdy for being pretty old...the recording turned out decent.

I wouldn't be satisfied if all of my recordings were of this quality but for shows that I'd like a copy without having to jump through too many hoops for a stealth job they are pretty good.

Here's a sample. I have applied a bit of EQ (the master is pretty boomy), and a tad bit of compression.

https://soundcloud.com/fatah-ruark/bob-dylan-simple-twist-of-fate-live

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Full show audio here. I did add a bit more EQ and Compression to this version (feel free to let me know which one you like more):
https://youtu.be/X3sHVgTBhOQ

Yeah, the full show audio sounds better to me, good job, got a black pair coming from Santa  ;D
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« Reply #46 on: December 21, 2021, 12:46:40 PM »
I just bought a second Ambeo headset, a black one which will be less obvious in use.  I got it from this Amazon seller (with whom I have no connection) -

https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-AMBEO-Smart-Headset-Ear/dp/B08F72P94X - about $65 - seems fine even at that price.

Thanks Santa's got one on the way.  :djsmilie:
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« Reply #47 on: December 21, 2021, 02:48:46 PM »
At $65 this should be in everyone's kit that owns an iPhone or iPod Touch.

They certainly do not make the absolute best recordings, but certainly pull an acceptable recording when security is tight, or you don't want to put much effort in for whatever reason.
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« Reply #48 on: December 21, 2021, 05:25:52 PM »
At $65 this should be in everyone's kit that owns an iPhone or iPod Touch.

They certainly do not make the absolute best recordings, but certainly pull an acceptable recording when security is tight, or you don't want to put much effort in for whatever reason.

And remember, with a suitable adapter they can work on Android devices too - but not all, for some reason.

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« Reply #49 on: December 21, 2021, 05:48:13 PM »
I just ordered a second pair in black.I already have the white ones.

Still i have never recorded a show with them.Seems like you'd draw more attention wearing earbuds during a show unless you have long hair.


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« Reply #50 on: December 21, 2021, 06:29:27 PM »
At $65 this should be in everyone's kit that owns an iPhone or iPod Touch.

They certainly do not make the absolute best recordings, but certainly pull an acceptable recording when security is tight, or you don't want to put much effort in for whatever reason.

And remember, with a suitable adapter they can work on Android devices too - but not all, for some reason.

I tried this. Didn't work very well. It was for the Rolling Stones so medium loud show. Recording was overloaded. Might work for an acoustic show though. I ended up buying a iPod Touch. I find that it's nice to have the iPod Touch as a recorder so I can still use my cell phone independently during the show if needed.
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« Reply #51 on: December 22, 2021, 09:51:45 AM »
At $65 this should be in everyone's kit that owns an iPhone or iPod Touch.

They certainly do not make the absolute best recordings, but certainly pull an acceptable recording when security is tight, or you don't want to put much effort in for whatever reason.

And remember, with a suitable adapter they can work on Android devices too - but not all, for some reason.

I tried this. Didn't work very well. It was for the Rolling Stones so medium loud show. Recording was overloaded. Might work for an acoustic show though. I ended up buying a iPod Touch. I find that it's nice to have the iPod Touch as a recorder so I can still use my cell phone independently during the show if needed.

You mean recording on an Android device?   I haven't tried it at a loud show, but I have found that it's necessary to use the toggle on the control to set the level to low if necessary, and also there seems to be different virtual inputs on my phone, which operate at different levels.  In the "Field Recorder" app there is provision to choose the virtual input, and the recording level varies significantly according to which one you select.  All a matter of experimenting at home before going to a concert.

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« Reply #52 on: December 22, 2021, 11:33:59 AM »
Finally got a chance to try these things at a couple of real shows. Setting audio levels

I ran Ambeo Headset > iPod Touch 32GB > Apogee Metarecorder.

EDIT: Had a hard time getting the files transferred. I had to use iTunes, which I had thought was discontinued.

CopyTrans suite can copy files for free (copy trans Apps module)
also sandisk flash usb drives can copy them directly from iphone

like most omnis, they sound better when baffled by your head or some distance (or binaural like these are meant to be used)


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« Reply #53 on: December 22, 2021, 12:51:06 PM »
At $65 this should be in everyone's kit that owns an iPhone or iPod Touch.

They certainly do not make the absolute best recordings, but certainly pull an acceptable recording when security is tight, or you don't want to put much effort in for whatever reason.

And remember, with a suitable adapter they can work on Android devices too - but not all, for some reason.

I tried this. Didn't work very well. It was for the Rolling Stones so medium loud show. Recording was overloaded. Might work for an acoustic show though. I ended up buying a iPod Touch. I find that it's nice to have the iPod Touch as a recorder so I can still use my cell phone independently during the show if needed.

You mean recording on an Android device?   I haven't tried it at a loud show, but I have found that it's necessary to use the toggle on the control to set the level to low if necessary, and also there seems to be different virtual inputs on my phone, which operate at different levels.  In the "Field Recorder" app there is provision to choose the virtual input, and the recording level varies significantly according to which one you select.  All a matter of experimenting at home before going to a concert.

Yes Rolling Stones was with my Android phone and the setting was at low. Recording is distorted. Not horribly bad, but bad enough that I wouldn't listen to it.

When I switched to the iPod Touch everything was fine.

Maybe there is a way to get these to work with Android. That would be great to figure out. I haven't had any issues putting my phone/iPod and the Sennheiser's in the bin at security, but one less item would be a nice option.
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« Reply #54 on: December 23, 2021, 03:12:57 PM »

I tried this. Didn't work very well. It was for the Rolling Stones so medium loud show. Recording was overloaded. Might work for an acoustic show though. I ended up buying a iPod Touch. I find that it's nice to have the iPod Touch as a recorder so I can still use my cell phone independently during the show if needed.

The very first show I recorded was the Rolling Stones, first night Hartford '81. I was in high school and didn't know anything, I used my fathers micro recorder, a dictaphone I think, he was a lawyer and it's what he used to take notes. The tape is long gone, I wouldn't record full songs, just start at the beginning of songs and announce them like a DJ, let it record a bit then stop. It did help me remember set lists and stuff like that.
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Yes Rolling Stones was with my Android phone and the setting was at low. Recording is distorted. Not horribly bad, but bad enough that I wouldn't listen to it.

When I switched to the iPod Touch everything was fine.

Maybe there is a way to get these to work with Android. That would be great to figure out. I haven't had any issues putting my phone/iPod and the Sennheiser's in the bin at security, but one less item would be a nice option.
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It does seem to be hightly dependent on the particular Android device.  I have a Mi 9T which only seems to record the Ambero in mono, regardless of the app.  I have a Poco F1 which reoords in stereo but at radically different levels according to the input you select - if the app you use supports that function.  So - YMMV and clearly has!

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« Reply #56 on: August 18, 2022, 09:08:34 AM »
Just a heads up for those in Europe:
My Ambeo Smart Headset's cords are cracking and I checked Amazon.de for the price of a new set.
I was excited to see that it is only €35 EUR (list €299).
While not worth the list price, €35 is an amazing bargain.
https://smile.amazon.de/-/en/Sennheiser-Ambeo-Smart-Headset-White/dp/B073TTRB9F/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2PWHYJDE45V32&keywords=sennheiser+ambeo+headset&qid=1660827565&sprefix=sennheiser%2520ambeo%2520headset%2Caps%2C192&sr=8-3

I opted for the the black version for €11 more, as it is a bit more stealth.
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If you have an iPhone, this is the easiest setup to get into a venue. Just saying.
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« Reply #57 on: August 18, 2022, 06:23:23 PM »
Thanks for that info - despite owning a black one and a white one, I can barely resist the bargain even though I don't need it!

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« Reply #58 on: August 18, 2022, 07:51:07 PM »
Thank you.
Ordered a black one to complement my white.
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« Reply #59 on: August 20, 2022, 04:35:27 PM »
I've ordered just another white one plus a set of foam rubber earpieces as I've never been really happy with the original silicon ones. I'll report as soon as I've tried them.

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« Reply #60 on: August 24, 2022, 03:48:36 PM »
The foam rubber earpieces have arrived today and my only regret is that I haven't known of them earlier.

They are much gentler to my ears and the full bass is there without having to push them back inside every few minutes. I've just listened to about 2 1/2 hours of music without any discomfort. What fun!

These are the plugs I'm using:

https://klimtechs.com/shop/earphones/klim-earphone-earbuds/

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« Reply #61 on: August 24, 2022, 07:23:16 PM »
I use Comply buds and indeed the difference is significant.  The same ones fit my Roland binaural earphones also. 

Comply Isolation 400
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Not cheap but the difference makes them worthwhile in terms of sound and staying in place.

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« Reply #62 on: August 25, 2022, 08:49:05 AM »
I use Comply buds and indeed the difference is significant.  The same ones fit my Roland binaural earphones also. 

Comply Isolation 400
(Size: Medium (3 Pairs), WaxGuard™: Yes)

Not cheap but the difference makes them worthwhile in terms of sound and staying in place.

Thanks for the recommendation! 

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Re: Sennheiser AMBEO SMART HEADSET
« Reply #63 on: September 16, 2022, 01:37:32 PM »
A nice find today, FWIW: apparently it’s possible to record audio from the Ambeo headset into Metarecorder (24/88.2/caf) while SIMULTANEOUSLY filming with the camera app (on iPhoneSE) with audio from Ambeo.

Cool :-)
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« Reply #64 on: September 17, 2022, 09:27:10 AM »
Cool - I'll see if that works in some way with an Android phone.

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« Reply #65 on: September 21, 2022, 07:58:07 PM »
are you guys using the Sennheiser/Apogee app, or the Apogee app?...  (iPhone)

Is there a difference? one better?

Or is there a better app?

I picked up a set. White are $50. I think I'm going to paint the headset almond to match better w/ skin & the cable flat black, from the V down, so it'll match my black shirt...
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« Reply #66 on: September 21, 2022, 09:15:33 PM »
Ok, I see that, you get both & they work together...

I got it working, & I cranked some music & recoded a track. Sounds thin, through the headphones, but sounds boomy & loose in the low end, through the monitors on the 'puter (Yamaha studio monitors).

But, the way everyone's going w/ double & triple security around here, this might be the trick, if they even don't catch these.

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« Reply #67 on: September 22, 2022, 05:51:26 AM »
The replay sound via the headset is very dependent on getting a good fit in the ear - you'll see some references to Comply ear tips in recent posts in this thread.  This can transform the low end, and it also helps keep the headset tight in the ears when recording.

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« Reply #68 on: September 22, 2022, 09:58:25 AM »
Sounds thin, through the headphones...

That's why they come with earplugs of various sizes. You'll have to experiment and they need to sit really really tight in your ears. So tight, that they usually become uncomfortable after a time. That's why people are using them with 3rd party foam earplugs.

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« Reply #69 on: September 23, 2022, 09:30:48 PM »
thanks for the info...

a couple of questions. I have it save to CAF at 96/24. Then, I have it convert to m4a & it comes out 48/24. I don't have any settings for it to change the sample freq. Is there anything I can do, or, just open the CAF in Audacity & straight convert?

I'm not using the earphones for listening, as I'll load the files & listen on the computer. Does the ear fit affect the recording (noticeably)?
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« Reply #70 on: September 24, 2022, 02:35:25 PM »
Does the ear fit affect the recording (noticeably)?

No, it doesn't.

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« Reply #71 on: September 24, 2022, 05:19:39 PM »
Does the ear fit affect the recording (noticeably)?

No, it doesn't.

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« Reply #72 on: September 26, 2022, 05:25:31 PM »
so, I used the headset on the iPhone yesterday.

W/ the Apogee Concert setting, w/ no input fader, it was grossly clipping throughout...

(red = clipping)



interestingly, the 96kHz/24bit CAF file, has some clarity to it still, but some points the distortion is beyond fix. I ran it through the audacity "clip fix" 2 x's. It still showed about as much clipping on the wave form.

It's definitely listenable, but sad, that it could have been better, if it allowed you to choose a static input level, below the peaks. I'm guessing that it has some sort of compression/limiter built in, because the file looks/sounds like a radio program, in that regards.

I always thought that Apogee was a high end digital company, but, I this they failed on this one...

Not sure if the mic's themselves were at clipping point (doubt it), but, there should be no clipping - that's amateurish, IMO.

Have you guys tried any of the binaural decoders?

anyway, here's a track, that I did the clip fix (x's 2) & normalized & did some other EQ, compression, etc. I'm getting pretty well, at using compression for EQ, rather than EQ. When doing EQ, I tend to favor parametric, over graphic, but, lately, I've been using frequency banded compression/limiter. Even so, I end up w/ more dynamic range than the original, in this case...

https://soundcloud.com/user-722922293/hallowed-be-live

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« Reply #73 on: September 26, 2022, 08:32:47 PM »
The Ambeo headset has a stated max SPL of around 118, I believe.  Judging from the recording, I assume you were clipping at the hardware level, before you even got to Apogee.

The iPhone simply cant supply enough voltage to the mic to overcome high SPL.

Definitely not the mic for super loud concerts, I wouldn’t put poor choice of mic for the given application at the feet of Apogee.
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« Reply #74 on: September 27, 2022, 03:06:47 AM »
well, you can say what you want but...

when I unplugged the ambisonics, the internal mic was clipping hotter than the ambisonics. My brother, recorded video, using the internal iPhone mic & had zero distortion...

The headset, is made w/ a collaboration between Sennheiser & Apogee. Sennheiser did the mic's/buds & possibly the shell for the earpiece. Apogee did the electronics, the app's, interface, etc.

Not sure how Apogee is absent from any blame...

The clipping is definitely internal, & not necessarily from the capsule overloading.

It bugs me, that Apple can do it right, but Apogee/Sennheiser can not.

I used to record band music w/ a $15 Radio Shack electret mic (back in the '80s) & didn't get any distortion like this. This is clipping, plain & simple. Apogee decided that an internal pad of so many db was sufficient, it says "for concerts", but it falls short. They also have some sort of soft compression/limiting, but, it also isn't good enough...

Still, $50, you get what you pay for...

Maybe if someone devised a battery box w/ a signal attenuator, these things would be really good.

The Zoom H2n would have handled this w/o batting an eye, w/ it's internal mic's...
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« Reply #75 on: September 27, 2022, 01:41:37 PM »
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when I unplugged the ambisonics, the internal mic was clipping hotter than the ambisonics. My brother, recorded video, using the internal iPhone mic & had zero distortion...

That kind of says it all, doesn't it?  You overloaded the mic. The iPhone has a huge limiter on audio when recording video, it also sounds poor as a result.  If it didn't there would be zero aftermarket for external mics for iPhone.

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The headset, is made w/ a collaboration between Sennheiser & Apogee. Sennheiser did the mic's/buds & possibly the shell for the earpiece. Apogee did the electronics, the app's, interface, etc.

Not sure how Apogee is absent from any blame...

Both Sennheiser and Apogee market this product as a device to record ambient sound levels, less than 118 SPL.  I can't fault them for anything in this scenario.

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Maybe if someone devised a battery box w/ a signal attenuator, these things would be really good.

The Zoom H2n would have handled this w/o batting an eye, w/ it's internal mic's...

That's exactly what would be necessary for any mic to work properly given the volume of what you were trying to record.  And that's exactly what zoom does with the H2N too. Provide enough power to the capsules to prevent clipping, which the iphone on its own cannot.

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« Reply #76 on: September 29, 2022, 11:42:31 AM »
I don't know what you tape, but my last recording from a couple of month ago. Elvis Costello & The Imposters in a 1000 person venue. Centred between sound board and stage with the Ambeo app set to low level: It was no-way-near clipping.
To me the Ambeo Smart Headset deliver way above its current price.
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well, you can say what you want but...

when I unplugged the ambisonics, the internal mic was clipping hotter than the ambisonics. My brother, recorded video, using the internal iPhone mic & had zero distortion...

The headset, is made w/ a collaboration between Sennheiser & Apogee. Sennheiser did the mic's/buds & possibly the shell for the earpiece. Apogee did the electronics, the app's, interface, etc.

Not sure how Apogee is absent from any blame...

The clipping is definitely internal, & not necessarily from the capsule overloading.

It bugs me, that Apple can do it right, but Apogee/Sennheiser can not.

I used to record band music w/ a $15 Radio Shack electret mic (back in the '80s) & didn't get any distortion like this. This is clipping, plain & simple. Apogee decided that an internal pad of so many db was sufficient, it says "for concerts", but it falls short. They also have some sort of soft compression/limiting, but, it also isn't good enough...

Still, $50, you get what you pay for...

Maybe if someone devised a battery box w/ a signal attenuator, these things would be really good.

The Zoom H2n would have handled this w/o batting an eye, w/ it's internal mic's...
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« Reply #77 on: September 29, 2022, 01:12:21 PM »
Have listen to the sound clip he linked to, you’ll understand what happened - very high SPL.

I don't know what you tape, but my last recording from a couple of month ago. Elvis Costello & The Imposters in a 1000 person venue. Centred between sound board and stage with the Ambeo app set to low level: It was no-way-near clipping.
To me the Ambeo Smart Headset deliver way above its current price.
Horses for courses.


well, you can say what you want but...

when I unplugged the ambisonics, the internal mic was clipping hotter than the ambisonics. My brother, recorded video, using the internal iPhone mic & had zero distortion...

The headset, is made w/ a collaboration between Sennheiser & Apogee. Sennheiser did the mic's/buds & possibly the shell for the earpiece. Apogee did the electronics, the app's, interface, etc.

Not sure how Apogee is absent from any blame...

The clipping is definitely internal, & not necessarily from the capsule overloading.

It bugs me, that Apple can do it right, but Apogee/Sennheiser can not.

I used to record band music w/ a $15 Radio Shack electret mic (back in the '80s) & didn't get any distortion like this. This is clipping, plain & simple. Apogee decided that an internal pad of so many db was sufficient, it says "for concerts", but it falls short. They also have some sort of soft compression/limiting, but, it also isn't good enough...

Still, $50, you get what you pay for...

Maybe if someone devised a battery box w/ a signal attenuator, these things would be really good.

The Zoom H2n would have handled this w/o batting an eye, w/ it's internal mic's...

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« Reply #78 on: September 29, 2022, 02:07:52 PM »
ive got two of these new in box if anyone wants. $50?

 

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