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Re: Building a full 007 taping rig from scratch in 2022
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2022, 01:18:22 AM »
Been stealthing with a $2K-$3K rig for 30 years.   Go big or go home.   :headphones:
what's that, a dollar a show?
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Re: Building a full 007 taping rig from scratch in 2022
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2022, 03:15:06 AM »
My MK4s have made close to a 1000 shows over 30 years.   

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Re: Building a full 007 taping rig from scratch in 2022
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2022, 04:46:15 AM »
My MK4s have made close to a 1000 shows over 30 years.

It's all about personal perspective and parameters. I must have taped 30 shows in 15 years.

If I had infinite money in the bank, I'd probably run two Schoeps rigs (omnis and cards) in a row, but that's not the case.

And it's not a 2 to 3k question. You also have to spend money on tickets, travel, hotels, food, storage concerns for your recordings... Which multiplies the bill for each new show you attend.

I just can't afford it.

With that being said, I'm happy when a Schoeps tape of a favourite artist of mine pops up.

I'm actually happy whenever a tape doesn't sound distorted, or metallic, or muffled, or any other thing that can ruin a recording.

I also don't accumulate a shitload of recordings I'm never listening to. But I'm not being critical with people who do.

Just be happy.
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Re: Building a full 007 taping rig from scratch in 2022
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2022, 11:46:45 AM »
I prefer the tone of my CA-11s to almost every Schoeps tape I've ever heard... ducks and hides

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Re: Building a full 007 taping rig from scratch in 2022
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2022, 12:13:37 PM »
If they’re new to taping, some CA14s > batt box > recorder is a no-brainer. Can do it for $200 or less with used gear, and get perfectly fine/nice recordings.

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Re: Building a full 007 taping rig from scratch in 2022
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2022, 02:31:57 PM »
If they’re new to taping, some CA14s > batt box > recorder is a no-brainer. Can do it for $200 or less with used gear, and get perfectly fine/nice recordings.

If they can find CA-14 omnis, definitely.

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Re: Building a full 007 taping rig from scratch in 2022
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2022, 03:35:35 PM »
If they’re new to taping, some CA14s > batt box > recorder is a no-brainer. Can do it for $200 or less with used gear, and get perfectly fine/nice recordings.

If they can find CA-14 omnis, definitely.

Currently 2 in stock on CA's website.
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Re: Building a full 007 taping rig from scratch in 2022
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2022, 04:35:28 PM »
There's actually an existing thread about that venue in the venue info section.

Here's what tapers have to say about the sweet spot:

Last I was there was for As the Crow Flies 18 months ago. They made folks set up on the level right in front of FOH, so a bit back from the sweet spot.

I'd go low profile and further forward...


Ditto....the board is under an overhang and for taper friendly bands they make you setup there in most cases. As Chect said if you lowpro you can grab the space at the rail dfcfob and it will sound killer

I ignore what DFC means. FOB is front of board. Also, I thought the rail was a reference to the space between the fence that keeps people away from the stage and the stage itself. But I might have been mistaken? Would be a curious place for the board...
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Re: Building a full 007 taping rig from scratch in 2022
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2022, 05:01:01 PM »
There's actually an existing thread about that venue in the venue info section.

Here's what tapers have to say about the sweet spot:

Last I was there was for As the Crow Flies 18 months ago. They made folks set up on the level right in front of FOH, so a bit back from the sweet spot.

I'd go low profile and further forward...


Ditto....the board is under an overhang and for taper friendly bands they make you setup there in most cases. As Chect said if you lowpro you can grab the space at the rail dfcfob and it will sound killer

I ignore what DFC means. FOB is front of board. Also, I thought the rail was a reference to the space between the fence that keeps people away from the stage and the stage itself. But I might have been mistaken? Would be a curious place for the board...
FOB doesn't mean directly in front of the board, it means anywhere in front of the board, just to differentiate from an OTS, generally behind the board. "FOB" means anywhere between the stage and the board. And rail can mean a fence that separates the stage from the crowd ("rail rats"), but in taper talk it means an elevated divider/wall between sections. At this venue, there are even multiple "rails" between the board level and the stage, at the front of each terraced section. I've haven't recorded there in years, but my recollection is that the first "rail" is maybe even a little close, though it depends on how much stage fill PA there is and how much stage volume vs PA volume the band has.
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Re: Building a full 007 taping rig from scratch in 2022
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2022, 09:34:19 PM »
Want to mention the new Zoom F3 as a good recorder for a noob, as there's no levels to set. Small, has p48 if desired, looks pertty promising.
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Re: Building a full 007 taping rig from scratch in 2022
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2022, 06:30:47 AM »
Want to mention the new Zoom F3 as a good recorder for a noob, as there's no levels to set. Small, has p48 if desired, looks pertty promising.

No levels? Does that mean you have limiter or automatic gain control applied by design and you can't disable it?

Can give ugly results in case you have sudden level fluctuations.
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Re: Building a full 007 taping rig from scratch in 2022
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2022, 07:29:44 AM »
No limiter. No level ‘cause its 32bit i guess
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Re: Building a full 007 taping rig from scratch in 2022
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2022, 09:18:03 AM »
i came here to suggest the f3 as well. 32bit for low pro is a game changer. But the dvice is a pretty great solution too, and less likely to get noticed by security.
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Re: Building a full 007 taping rig from scratch in 2022
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2022, 01:46:46 PM »
Been stealthing with a $2K-$3K rig for 30 years.   Go big or go home.   :headphones:

18 years for me, I’ll agree if you are serious about taping
get the goods right away, if you decide to get out, you can sell
without losing any money

My first rig cost 750, after I made one recording I was disappointed
My second rig cost 1400 I was still pretty much looking for better
Third times the charm!

You can 'get by" with AT 853, or Church Audios, but the gulf between the Churches and the ATs, and say MK4/4V>nbox plat_deck, is vast. If you can't swing the latter, I'd go DPA 4060/61>Church audio preamp>the handheld deck of your choice. If you go used should be like $600-800 for the mics, $100 for a used Church preamp, and $100-200, or less, for a good used deck. The DPA rig punches way above $1000 imho. Drag is the 4060/61 are omnis, but if you get close indoors in a good room, they do well, and kill outdoors. IMHO.
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Re: Building a full 007 taping rig from scratch in 2022
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2022, 02:27:45 PM »
Been stealthing with a $2K-$3K rig for 30 years.   Go big or go home.   :headphones:

18 years for me, I’ll agree if you are serious about taping
get the goods right away, if you decide to get out, you can sell
without losing any money

My first rig cost 750, after I made one recording I was disappointed
My second rig cost 1400 I was still pretty much looking for better
Third times the charm!

You can 'get by" with AT 853, or Church Audios, but the gulf between the Churches and the ATs, and say MK4/4V>nbox plat_deck, is vast. If you can't swing the latter, I'd go DPA 4060/61>Church audio preamp>the handheld deck of your choice. If you go used should be like $600-800 for the mics, $100 for a used Church preamp, and $100-200, or less, for a good used deck. The DPA rig punches way above $1000 imho. Drag is the 4060/61 are omnis, but if you get close indoors in a good room, they do well, and kill outdoors. IMHO.

I'm in that area where I'd like to step up from AT/CAs but it's tough to justify the cost (for me any way).  I'd almost consider CM4s but you're probably not going to stealth easily with those.
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