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Which mics are sample 1?

Sample 1 is mk41s
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Mic comp: MK41 vs Vanguard V1 w hyper cap
« on: July 28, 2022, 12:00:28 PM »
Been playing around with a matched pair of V1s, purchased used on Reverb for $450. With 4 caps per mic, that's a lot of kit for the $$. Still deciding what I think of 'em.
Mostly been using the omni caps in a OMT4 config w 41s in the center.

This was recorded last night at So Many Roads in Denver.
Mics onstage near corner of kit on bass side @ 10'.
ORTF with mics pointing down and a bit towards the house.

mk41s > pfa > mp6II
V1s > mp6II

Which do you prefer?

Sample 1
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Sample 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/boekhz7e9pk5dj5/sample%202.wav?dl=0
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Re: Mic comp: MK41 vs Vanguard V1 w hyper cap
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2022, 12:55:02 PM »
prefer sample 2
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Re: Mic comp: MK41 vs Vanguard V1 w hyper cap
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2022, 02:16:03 PM »
Will try and give a listen tonight..
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Re: Mic comp: MK41 vs Vanguard V1 w hyper cap
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2022, 04:37:52 PM »
Sample one sounds the best to me. More rounded and full. Sample two is a little too present for me.
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Re: Mic comp: MK41 vs Vanguard V1 w hyper cap
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2022, 04:45:53 PM »
Sample one sounds the best to me. More rounded and full. Sample two is a little too present for me.

Agreed. 2 isn't bad, but 1 is a modest but significant improvement.

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Re: Mic comp: MK41 vs Vanguard V1 w hyper cap
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2022, 05:03:19 PM »
to my ears overall music and feel would be #1. Although the vocals on #1 sounds a bit removed, while the vocals on #2 seem more even or in line with the mix.

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Re: Mic comp: MK41 vs Vanguard V1 w hyper cap
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2022, 05:11:26 PM »
Thanks for listening. Would be interested to have y'all vote which is mk41s...
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Re: Mic comp: MK41 vs Vanguard V1 w hyper cap
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2022, 05:33:44 PM »
Sample 1 has better high hat.  Yes, fuller.
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Re: Mic comp: MK41 vs Vanguard V1 w hyper cap
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2022, 02:00:20 AM »
Vocalist sounds a bit like David Bromberg from the 70's.   8)

Sample one has "fast", very slightly sibilant character to my admittedly strange ears.

Both are very listenable, clear and not fatiguing, but sample two has a "familiar" quality.

Were any screens or foam used?
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Re: Mic comp: MK41 vs Vanguard V1 w hyper cap
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2022, 11:29:17 AM »
Vocalist sounds a bit like David Bromberg from the 70's.   8)

Sample one has "fast", very slightly sibilant character to my admittedly strange ears.

Both are very listenable, clear and not fatiguing, but sample two has a "familiar" quality.

Were any screens or foam used?
Good question. No screens or foam.
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Re: Mic comp: MK41 vs Vanguard V1 w hyper cap
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2022, 01:37:11 PM »
1 sounds like a slightly more open pattern.  A bit more low frequency fullness, more room, more audience reaction off-axis, less sibilant.

I prefer 1 in isolation.  But 2 could be useful in combination with other mics, leveraging its tighter directivity (which cannot be modified), and perhaps it's frequency response difference (which can).  Hard to tell how much the frequency balance could be EQ'd to preference without trying it, which is generally my real world comparison on that aspect between microphones.  Sometimes that can be done simply and easily, sometimes it can't be.  I think that has to do with the presence of narrow band resonances or lack of them and overall response smoothness, regardless of the apparent response and smoothness prior to any correction.  If you want to do that or not is an important question.

So generally 1, with the caveats above. 
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Re: Mic comp: MK41 vs Vanguard V1 w hyper cap
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2022, 01:44:39 PM »
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Re: Mic comp: MK41 vs Vanguard V1 w hyper cap
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2022, 02:05:04 PM »
I am not current with the OMT configs.
So, is this OMT4 with ORTF in the middle?
Omni + Super Card?
How far spaced are omni’s?
Set up on side of stage?? Or front stage to the side?

Both sound great to me, but different.
One is airier and the other is tighter.
One is fuller and the other is slimmer.
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Re: Mic comp: MK41 vs Vanguard V1 w hyper cap
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2022, 02:15:52 PM »
Yug:

Mics are onstage, about 12' upstage from lip. They're 5' stage L of center, near corner of drum kit on bass side @ 10' high.
Both pairs are in ORTF, with mics pointing down at the floor, with roughly 15º tilt out of vertical towards the house.

Does that help?
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Re: Mic comp: MK41 vs Vanguard V1 w hyper cap
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2022, 02:19:21 PM »

I like sample 1. Sounds more smooth and round. Things I associate with the mk41 at close distance.
Sample 2 sounds like it has a bit more audience and some grit to the high end. Not bad at all just different.
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